On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 08:00:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [mailto:h...@debian.org]
>
> > The Debian way is to provide mariadb packages, and keep providing Oracle
> > mysql packages. We'll do away with Oracle mysql when the day comes that
> > it
> > is unf
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:49:04 +0200, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
On Lu, 17 iun 13, 07:21:18, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Again, I'm switching distros regarding to my needs and I disagree.
Slavko mentioned the same as I did: "[snip] all [snip] decisions must
follow the policy documents [snip]".
Have you ac
On Lu, 17 iun 13, 07:21:18, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> Again, I'm switching distros regarding to my needs and I disagree.
> Slavko mentioned the same as I did: "[snip] all [snip] decisions must
> follow the policy documents [snip]".
Have you actually read the Policy? It's basically a document that
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 14:07 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 6/16/2013 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:44 -0400
> > Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Debian will quickly
Mark writes:
> I think it's because MariaDB is a fork of MySQL. Since they both do
> exactly the same thing, why have both?, is the thinking.
Debian will have both for as long as there are developers willing to
maintain both and both remain Free.
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> From: Miles Fidelman [mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net]
> > This is essentially what the consensus of the discussions I have seen boils
> down to. Some distributions, such as Fedora, are "switching." It's an
> either/or. Debian appears to prefer to let the marketplace decide
> ("marketplace"
Mark Allums wrote:
From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [mailto:h...@debian.org]
The Debian way is to provide mariadb packages, and keep providing Oracle
mysql packages.
What we would probably do:
0. add mariadb packages.
1. Rename mysql* to mysql-oracle*, provide msyql-* "transitional" packag
> From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [mailto:h...@debian.org]
> The Debian way is to provide mariadb packages, and keep providing Oracle
> mysql packages. We'll do away with Oracle mysql when the day comes that
> it
> is unfeasible or extremely undesireable to keep providing them, or nobody
> wan
On Sun, June 16, 2013 6:17 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
>
> Can you name some distros that do listen?
O.K., I find that Debian does.
There seem to be some here that think that there
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Pretty much ANY distro which listens better than the Debian
> developers will gain at the loss of Debian.
>
> That's the way the world is going. If you don't deliver what users
> want, someone else will.
>
> It's not like back in the 80's when there we
On 6/16/2013 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:44 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
Dňa 16.06.2013 18:05 Andrei POPESCU wrote / napísal(a):
> On Du, 16 iun 13, 11:15:03, Slavko wrote:
> Well, in general Debian works as a do-ocracy. That means the decision is
> taken by whoever does the work. It is entirely possible to maintain a
> package or take care of parts of the infrastru
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:44 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> >> Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
> >
> > Can you name some distros that do listen?
> >
> >
>
> Who cares a
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:29:44 +0200, Jerry Stuckle
wrote:
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
Who cares about other distros?
On 6/16/2013 10:27 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2013 16 Jun 07:59 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Yes, this is a "consumers" mailing list. And if "consumers" can't
pass along what they want for the future, Debian will quickly lose
users to distros which do listen.
Debian does listen since its de
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
Who cares about other distros? I'm talking about Debian.
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On Du, 16 iun 13, 11:15:03, Slavko wrote:
>
> Please, note that i don't wrote about collaborating, but i wrote about
> making decisions. I am sorry, if it was not clean.
Well, in general Debian works as a do-ocracy. That means the decision is
taken by whoever does the work. It is entirely possib
* On 2013 16 Jun 07:59 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Yes, this is a "consumers" mailing list. And if "consumers" can't
> pass along what they want for the future, Debian will quickly lose
> users to distros which do listen.
Debian does listen since its developers are its users as well. You may
g
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
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On 6/16/2013 1:02 AM, Slavko wrote:
Dňa 16.06.2013 03:01 Weaver wrote / napísal(a):
Unless things have changed lately, I was under the impression that Debian
was a community.
Sure, the Debian is community distribution, as described in the Social
contract (see http://www.debian.org/social_cont
Dňa 16.06.2013 09:49 Andrei POPESCU wrote / napísal(a):
> On Du, 16 iun 13, 07:02:35, Slavko wrote:
>>
>> As i mentioned, anybody can be member of the Debian community, but pure
>> users are consumers only. And this ML is for these consumers ;-)
>
> Users can (and should):
snip. You are right in
On Du, 16 iun 13, 07:02:35, Slavko wrote:
>
> As i mentioned, anybody can be member of the Debian community, but pure
> users are consumers only. And this ML is for these consumers ;-)
Users can (and should):
- report bugs as they find them and be ready to test new versions
proposed by develo
Dňa 16.06.2013 03:01 Weaver wrote / napísal(a):
> Unless things have changed lately, I was under the impression that Debian
> was a community.
Sure, the Debian is community distribution, as described in the Social
contract (see http://www.debian.org/social_contract)
But not community in Ubuntu's
On Sat, June 15, 2013 6:58 am, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 09:10:40PM -0700, Weaver wrote:
>> I'm sick of installing this package and this one and that and the other,
>> then looking up at the end of the install to find that mysql,
>> postgresql,
>> firebird, and two or three
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 09:10:40PM -0700, Weaver wrote:
> I'm sick of installing this package and this one and that and the other,
> then looking up at the end of the install to find that mysql, postgresql,
> firebird, and two or three other database structures have all been pulled
> in as dependen
On 6/15/2013 12:10 AM, Weaver wrote:
And to digress a little, it might be an idea to firm up policy around
database generally while we are at it.
I'm sick of installing this package and this one and that and the other,
then looking up at the end of the install to find that mysql, postgresql
On Sat, June 15, 2013 1:05 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 14 iun 13, 21:10:40, Weaver wrote:
>>
>> Surely we can make things a little tidier than that.
>> Is it really so hard to settle policy on one database - Postgresql? -
>> then
>> modify Debian packages, including LibreOffice, for that.
>
On Vi, 14 iun 13, 21:10:40, Weaver wrote:
>
> Surely we can make things a little tidier than that.
> Is it really so hard to settle policy on one database - Postgresql? - then
> modify Debian packages, including LibreOffice, for that.
Debian package maintainers usually try to stay as close as pos
On Fri, June 14, 2013 8:47 pm, Mark Allums wrote:
> Kumar Appaiah:
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
>> > Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and
>> OpenSuSE, is switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will
>> follow
>> suit, since the
On Fri, June 14, 2013 6:01 pm, Mark Allums wrote:
> Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and OpenSuSE,
> is switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will follow suit,
> since they have set precedents many times for preferring free software.
> (Example: OpenOffice.org
Kumar Appaiah:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and
> OpenSuSE, is switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will follow
> suit, since they have set precedents many times for preferring free softwa
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and OpenSuSE, is
> switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will follow suit, since
> they have set precedents many times for preferring free software. (Example:
> O
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