At 10:24 PM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:13 PM, John Howell wrote:
No way, not even on a bet! But I can say that of the notation
programs I've used, Sibelius has the best lyrics handling hands
down, both the easiest to enter and the best to look at by default.
Just
On 23 Jan 2010 at 1:39, David W. Fenton wrote:
> Given that two of the four main players have to switch
> instruments (one bass player doubles on treble, and for this concert,
> I'm doubling on bass and tenor, after 18 months of playing tenor
> exclusively),
Actually, it's two of the bass play
On 22 Jan 2010 at 22:20, Mark D Lew wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> > I'm not that picky, though I don't produce the stunningly beautiful
> > scores that folks like Dennis Collins do (I'm not sure I've ever seen
> > your engraving, but my bet is you're much pickie
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
For a syllable that is attached to a note followed by another note
(or several notes) lacking syllables, the width of the syllable
should be allocated to all the notes available before the next
syllable to the right.
It looks pretty simple to
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:13 PM, John Howell wrote:
No way, not even on a bet! But I can say that of the notation
programs I've used, Sibelius has the best lyrics handling hands
down, both the easiest to enter and the best to look at by default.
Just curious. Supposing Sibelius does put sylla
On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:52 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm not that picky, though I don't produce the stunningly beautiful
scores that folks like Dennis Collins do (I'm not sure I've ever seen
your engraving, but my bet is you're much pickier than I am -- I'm
just trying to get performable parts an
At 8:23 PM -0500 1/22/10, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 22 Jan 2010 at 20:13, John Howell wrote:
At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
>On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
>>Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
>>by default, since it's so
On 22 Jan 2010 at 20:13, John Howell wrote:
> At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
> >On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >
> >>Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
> >>by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
> >
> >Can you desc
At 12:24 AM -0800 1/22/10, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program should do
On 1/22/2010 9:03 AM, dc wrote:
I can only second that request. Is there any place where one can officially
do so?
Well, you can submit something to the support people through
http://makemusic.custhelp.com My feature request was made in January
2007; the reference number is 070322-041052. Yo
On 22 Jan 2010 at 11:05, dc wrote:
> I wonder why they don't implement this feature. It would put them way ahead
> of Sibelius for a change...
How well does Sibelius do with lyrics spacing in melismas and
otherwise?
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On 22 Jan 2010 at 1:43, Mark D Lew wrote:
> In the paragraph you're responding to, I was referring specifically
> to music which is very melismatic, which is what I thought perhaps
> David F was dealing with.
The music I was working with was Samuel Scheidt. Here's the current
unproofread sco
On 22 Jan 2010 at 0:24, Mark D Lew wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> > Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
> > by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
>
> Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program
On 22 Jan 2010 at 0:17, Mark D Lew wrote:
> On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:37 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> > I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
> > whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance
> > is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e
On 22 Jan 2010 at 8:26, dc wrote:
> David W. Fenton écrit:
> >It seems I'm out of luck on this, as I don't see any way to hide a
> >syllable in WinFin 2003.
>
> My memory isn't good enough to recall when "hidden" characters were
> introduced. Is this not a "Style" available (as italics, or bold,
On 1/22/2010 3:17 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
algorithm looking at the lyric syllables at all. For such a piece,
I'd space the entire thing with lyrics unchecked. Then if there are
one or two measures where the lyrics collide, go back and respace
just those measures with lyrics checked.
This brings
On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:02 AM, dc wrote:
In most cases, if you have a decent point-size for your lyrics,
ignoring the lyrics simply won't give you enough space to do things
correctly. In other words, you won't have "one or two measures"
where the lyrics collide, but more likely 90% of your me
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default, since it's so braindead wrong in Finale!
Can you describe algorithmically what you think the fixed program
should do?
My feeling about lyric spacing is that i
On Jan 20, 2010, at 5:37 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance
is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e., if there's a run
of 16ths, if the first has a syllable
On 21 Jan 2010 at 6:45, dc wrote:
> David W. Fenton écrit:
> >This is what I did, but the spacing was not quite what I'd have
> >preferred.
>
> You'll get much better results by hidding only the syllables on melismas.
> And more work, of course.
It seems I'm out of luck on this, as I don't see
On 20 Jan 2010 at 9:43, Harold Owen wrote:
> The way I have dealt with the problem in Finale 2010 is to
> exclude lyrics in music spacing.
This is what I did, but the spacing was not quite what I'd have
preferred.
Why isn't this fixed in Finale? Surely it's something Sibelius does
by default,
For some reason I can't get the word extensions back after I use the New
Spacing feature if I have Smart Word Extensions turned on.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, dc wrote:
> dc écrit:
>
> Ryan écrit:
>>
>>> So you're not using the "Smart Word Extensions"? Unless I'm missing
>>> something, t
So you're not using the "Smart Word Extensions"? Unless I'm missing
something, the TG Tools New Spacing feature doesn't work with lyrics unless
it's turned off.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:10 AM, dc wrote:
> Ryan écrit:
>
> After using TG Tools New Spacing, how do you get back the word extensio
Dear David,
No, it isn't. The way I have dealt with the problem in Finale 2010 is
to exclude lyrics in music spacing. When there is crowding of lyrics
I use "Adjust Syllables" in the Lyrics Tool and nudge the syllables
to suit the occasion. It would be nice if there were a simple way to
toggl
After using TG Tools New Spacing, how do you get back the word extension
lines for the melismas?
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:02 AM, dc wrote:
> David W. Fenton écrit:
>
> I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
>> whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics.
As DC pointed out, this has not changed in the default behaviour of
Finale recently. His solution seems to be better than mine.
If you don't have TG Tools, then you can respace JUST the measures
with melismas after turning off collisions with lyrics. I do this
with chord symbols a lot, as T
I'm stuck working with Finale 2003, and am in the midst of doing a
whole bunch of editions for my viol consort with lyrics. My annoyance
is the whole issue with spacing of melismas -- i.e., if there's a run
of 16ths, if the first has a syllable on it, the full space for the
syllable is allocate
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