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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marcelo Bezerra
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 9:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
At least Alfred has set up a linux ded. server for profiling purposes.
Napier, Kevin w
unday, December 19, 2004 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
They'd then have to hire people to take care of the servers, more people
to patrol them to ban people (what other server would attract as many
'myg0t' style g
At least Alfred has set up a linux ded. server for profiling purposes.
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Probably the right call there Ray.
Btw I never understood why valve never (at least to my knowledge) ran a server
or two of thier to get a feel for what peopl
Heh, more like anti-virus companies have the power to shut down any
program they want by adding it to their virus list, then every other
company just copies them theories.
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
Steve Tilson wrote:
and if they stand to make money on banned cheaters repurchasing steam
licenses t
and if they stand to make money on banned cheaters repurchasing steam
licenses then the conspiricy theorists can go nutzo right?
Same genre as anti-virus companies being responsible for viruses?
hoo boy. i got too much to do to think down those lines
Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews wrote:
They'd then h
They'd then have to hire people to take care of the servers, more people
to patrol them to ban people (what other server would attract as many
'myg0t' style groups then an official one?), as well as the equipment
costs...
You never know though, they might be secretly hosting servers under a
differe
metion out of character since
most development shops make it a habit to eat thier own dog food if they can.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ray Spaulding
Sent: Sun 12/19/2004 9:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hack
All VALVe need do is hire on a legitimate Software Quality Assurance
Staff, fund the team properly, and give the SQA team "STOP" authority
over releases.
The result will be a significant increase in reliability of VALVe software.
Now combine the prospect of VALVe code becoming very stable with thei
I'm inclined to agree with you 100% there. Dice and Epic are far worse,
far far worse.
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
Matthew Davey wrote:
Just out of curiosity, are you paying anything to Valve; to make money off
of Valve's software? ... you know royalties and such ?
So essentially you are complainin
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meh, they have plans which they're actively working on (apparently), but
as with all Softw
"
Andrews
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meh, they have plans which they're actively working on (apparently), but
as with all Software development, the cost to fix bugs later in
development
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Mitcham
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Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who
doesn't work for VAL
ution
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Mitcham
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Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who
I'm sure they'll get there eventually =)
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
Whisper wrote:
Leaving it to Valve hasn't worked too well so far, has it?
Previous experience suggests that there is not an overwhelming mass of
Secure Client Creation programming expertise or Network experience
proficiency.
Yeah,
Leaving it to Valve hasn't worked too well so far, has it?
Previous experience suggests that there is not an overwhelming mass of
Secure Client Creation programming expertise or Network experience
proficiency.
Yeah, sins of the past and all that, but do we need to keep repeating
the same mistakes
the games to display on your list.
>
> You don't need a CD-KEY at all.
>
> - Spencer "voogru" MacDonald
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:22 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PRO
t: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Each CDKey can only be used once, right?
Why not have a system like this:
* Since each steam account is already flagged with what games were
owned/purchased by the account (server side) - Since you can login from
anywhere and see your g
I keep forgetting to clip the bottom of the emails off, they get so big
for no particular reason.
Anyway, I'd like to point out that although all these 'solutions' that
you're all coming up with are brilliant ideas, none of us have any idea
how the current system actually works on a core level, we
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Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
> This is wrong.
>
> You install STEAM,
You don't need a CD-KEY at all.
- Spencer "voogru" MacDonald
> -Original Message-
> From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They are, though non-STEAM appears to bypass this connection.
- Bruce "Bahamut" A
de but if the
> > Server has no master servers listed then that's gotta be away around it.
> > Also the same with LAN servers.
> >
> > -Graham
> >
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> Andrews
> Sent: 18 December 2004 00:17
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> They are, though non-ST
: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:49 PM
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At this point I think that it's time to use it on Valve for their latest
update.
**Thwack**!!
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They are, though non-STEAM appears to bypass this connection.
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
Whisper wrote:
>Thats exactly what I thought!
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The STEAM_ID databa
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> &g
K. Mike Bradley wrote:
They would care if EVERYONE shut down there server until VAC is updated but
you pussies wont get together on it.
It's not that. It's just unrealistic. Don't pretend it is. I am with
you in frustration over the lack of VAC updates, but we admins have zero
power over it. On
ot;nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Thats the attitude I like to heargrrr Tiger.
Who has the twack stick again?
BeNt
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Thats the attitude I like to heargrrr Tiger.
Who has the twack stick again?
BeNt
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forgive me if I'm wrong, but, aren't our CD keys tied to our steamid?
I mean, I can't go
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> I dont think they care if you shut down your server.
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> From: "Darren J. Mason" <[EMAIL P
ucked up.
Ray S.
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I dont think they care if you shut down your
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> I dont think they care if you shut down your server.
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I dont think they care if you shut down your server.
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
You missed my
Friday, December 17, 2004 10:22 AM
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> Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>
> The STEAM_ID databases are as secure as any other online database system,
> the problem is their identification of registering users.
> They use
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The STE
The STEAM_ID databases are as secure as any other online database
system, the problem is their identification of registering users.
They use an email address to tie it to a person.
The problem isn't just the abundance of free email services. There are
also temporary email services that allow you
appy. It the freakin waiting that has always killed
us!
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Zwaart
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce "Bahamut"
Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
yeah if you like writing essays to ban people..
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
Tony wrote:
ll get something later rather than sooner, it will work for the
> >most
> >part, and we will be happy. It the freakin waiting that has always
> >killed
> >us!
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O
You pretty much feel just like I do, and that was why I re-started the
discussion about it.
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 02:23 -0600, Andrew R. Mitcham wrote:
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> They could have a source at VALVe after e
20 minutes?
More like 2 minutes unless they have a slow computer then you can make
it 5 minutes if you are lucky, thats how ridiculous it is.
We resort to IP bans now because they last that little bit longer than
STEAM_ID bans which aren't worth the electrons you waste sending them
down the line.
http://www.valvesoftware.com/people.php
/Jesper
> "I clearly remember reading from a GameSpy article that Gabe and other
>
> VALVe execs/employees where going to be more forthcoming and responsive
> to the community now. They need to respond about an issue that is a pain
> in the ass and has bee
"I clearly remember reading from a GameSpy article that Gabe and other
VALVe execs/employees where going to be more forthcoming and responsive
to the community now. They need to respond about an issue that is a pain
in the ass and has been for a long time. It is going to take the
community sayi
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They could have a source at VALVe after emailing. But whenever I email
someone at VALVe and get a response, I QUOTE IT. And reading the last
1,000,000 posts about how VALVe is working on it from some do
yeah if you like writing essays to ban people..
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
Tony wrote:
Quote "I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942" Good man it's
alot
better you know :)
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:19 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] When wi
email someone off-list at VALVe and they generally will respond
rather fast.
- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew R.
Mitcham
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:20 AM
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On Behalf Of Andrew R.
Mitcham
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Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who
doesn't work for VALVe in the past 2 years. Everytime an
half Of Maarten van der
Zwaart
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and
ays
killed
us!
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der
Zwaart
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisp
able to them by
> > > > screwing with one of the cache files.
> > > >
> > > > Solution: Check CD-KEY that's tied to the game when they try to launch
> > > the
> > > > game, and DO NOT cache it, it worked like that with WON when trying to
> &g
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> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:24 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
> >
> > I still don't understand?
> >
> > IIRC you cannot create a STEAM Account
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:24:20 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IIRC you cannot create a STEAM Account (supposedly) unless you have a
legitamate install of the game, which you can't do without a valid CD
key, or that is how it used to work.
It has never worked that way, you can create as muc
I read an article about CD Keys being hacked last year.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of PiTaGoRaS
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:34 AM
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Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fix
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:04:31 -0500, K. Mike Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
All you need is a unique email to get a steam ID.
There are millions of free email services and each hacker probably has a
thousand emails from many of them.
I think you can have multiple accounts on one email address, b
hing was to allow WON cd
keys
in with steam thereby defeating the purpose.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcelo de Paula
Bezerra
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the &quo
A server is a legitimate install, and it requires no CD-Key.
--AgentHH
Whisper wrote:
I still don't understand?
IIRC you cannot create a STEAM Account (supposedly) unless you have a
legitamate install of the game, which you can't do without a valid CD
key, or that is how it used to work.
Oh well
Go
You can make a steam account with no CD-KEY.
- Spencer "voogru" MacDonald
> -Original Message-
> From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam"
when trying to
> connect to a multiplayer game, why can't it work like that in steam?
>
>
> - Spencer "voogru" MacDonald
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Darren J. Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:11
acDonald
> -Original Message-
> From: Darren J. Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:11 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>
> Wow, so much for the clear use of reality-based
you get some kind of word to us about this??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Don&#
You can't register a cdkey twice.
Has any of you read the nonsteampowered link I posted today?
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 10:04 -0500, K. Mike Bradley wrote:
> All you need is a unique email to get a steam ID.
> There are millions of free email services and each hacker probably has a
> thousand emails
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> Paula Bezerra Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:08 AM To:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the
> "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>
> You can create as many logins as you want and we all have done that
> from day one (
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
One thing that could be done is to send a periodic email once a month to
each steam account's email address and if no one responds ... Delete the
account.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAI
Paula
Bezerra
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
You can create as many logins as you want and we all have done that from
day one (to update our servers).
The cdkey is only used to grant access to a s
Don't forget to wipe the poop off your nose.
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Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Eve
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Well the thing is, your STEAM_ID is connected to your Login.
Suipposedly you cannot create (RDRR many lols) a STEAM Login without a
valid CD Key
Thats how integrity is supposed to be maintained to allow people to
login
22 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam
accounts.
>The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does
>not check if the user owns
hahaha.. does thier stuff actually work? If so it's so wrong it almost makes
it right. :)
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In a message dated 12/16/2004 8:35:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
_http://www.nonsteampowered.info/index.php?area=getnonsteamnow_
(http://www.nonsteampowered.info/index.php?area=getnonsteamnow)
i went here to check it
Se for your self.
It is rather ease.
www.google.com
look for "fucksteam", click on "I am feeling lucky".
Or just go here:
http://www.nonsteampowered.info/index.php?area=getnonsteamnow
They even provide codename gordon!
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 07:43 +1100, Whisper wrote:
> Can anybody tell us how
Is that why the steam logo stopped animating on downloads? :)
On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 10:57 +1100, Whisper wrote:
> You are all familiar with the expression "The wheels have fallen off" ??
>
> In this case it appears the wheels were never put on, in fact I don't
> think wheels were even a design co
You can create as many logins as you want and we all have done that from
day one (to update our servers).
The cdkey is only used to grant access to a single game (it is a 0 to n
relation, as an account is likely to have multiple cdkeys).
The problem is that people can found a way the cdkey, so th
ED] on behalf of Whisper
> Sent: Thu 12/16/2004 1:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
>
> Makes you wonder who's dumb idea it was not to run a proper
> authentication scheme in the first instance and who at Valv
ow though, can't see
through the tinted glass.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Whisper
Sent: Thu 12/16/2004 1:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Makes you wonder who's dumb idea it was n
iggling and screaming for us to stfu.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce "Bahamut"
> Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the
.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce "Bahamut"
Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 11:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
The silence isn't the slightest bit bizza
et a good third party AC going. The
silence is just bizarre to me.
jefe
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J. Mason
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" ha
0 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security
please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their
STEAM_ID system?
Doesn't Valve have complete control ov
adley
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed?
It wont hurt and it mite send a message.
There has been a discussion for over 8 months now so that don't work ...
Show some solidarity admins!
DO SOMET
has always killed
> us!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der
> Zwaart
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Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things.
Valve
oor public relations
Which seems to be the case right now...
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>They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam
accounts.
>The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does
>not check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs
>big changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is
>se
waart
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security
> p
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security
please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their
STEAM_ID system?
Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID d
Can anybody tell us how NOSTEAM works?
Because so far nobody has been able to punch holes in the
methodologies many of us have suggested here to stop a hack like
NOSTEAM working at all!
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:41:07 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW if the problem is that Valve do n
BTW if the problem is that Valve do not want to use servers to pass
along the information then why not then only use the Content Providers
who I think are well and truly vetted before they are allowed to be
STEAM Content Providers AND more or less rule 99.9% of
wannabe's out when the questi
Whisper wrote:
Well the thing is, your STEAM_ID is connected to your Login.
Suipposedly you cannot create (RDRR many lols) a STEAM Login without a valid CD
Key
Thats how integrity is supposed to be maintained to allow people to login on
any computer.
Indeed - hence the reason I suggest checking
Well the thing is, your STEAM_ID is connected to your Login.
Suipposedly you cannot create (RDRR many lols) a STEAM Login without a
valid CD Key
Thats how integrity is supposed to be maintained to allow people to
login on any computer.
As most of you are well aware, this is really stupidly basic
doing this.
> > How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many.
> >
> >
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BoNfiRe wrote:
Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this.
How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many.
Nah. You're only talking about 2.5 million records really. (2.3
million unique users per month
http://www.steampowered.com/status/status.html)
Even a desktop database like Micr
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> > Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security
> > please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to se
Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this.
How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many.
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rk being practically
> unusable, and no anti-cheat/hack protection, its all totally worthless...
>
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tally worthless...
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You must not forget to get the media involved (c-n
I won't take "someone is
working on it" for an answer by someone who doesn't work for VALVe.
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IMO, this Friday is too soon, we need some organization and lots of
folks (web sites) to spread the word
Happy Holi
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