Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-20 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
"Henry Ficher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > All this is very interesting, but I got stuck on the first word: What on > earth does IANAL stand for? I hope is not as lurid as it sounds. ;-)~ It actually is: I Am Not A Lawyer. My excuses for using it are: a) The abbreviation was used on Linux-I

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-19 Thread Gavrie Philipson
- Original Message - From: Henry Ficher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Consider banning KDE? > All this is very interesting, but I got stuck on the first word: What on > earth does IANAL stand for? I hope

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-19 Thread Eli Marmor
Henry Ficher wrote: > > All this is very interesting, but I got stuck on the first word: What on > earth does IANAL stand for? I hope is not as lurid as it sounds. ;-)~ I Am Not A Lawyer. Fortunately, it is a lawyer and not a translator. Imagine that somebody asked what is "IANAT", and everybod

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-19 Thread Henry Ficher
y, June 17, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Consider banning KDE? > > IANAL, and I would love to get into the guts of the licensing > problem. The fact that KDE/Qt is not GPLed does not bother me per se > (since I don't develop KDE-related stuff), but if they violate GPL > that'

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-18 Thread Feigin Micha
> Recently I switched to FreeBSD and decided to give GNOME a try. Built > all gtk/gnome components from sources (using the excellent BSD ports > system) - latest stable versions. > > Took me two days to realize GNOME is not nearly as stable as KDE1 is. > While mostly, it works, various components

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-18 Thread Ira Abramov
On 17 Jun 2000, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > However, the slashback article contains a statement that KDE violates > the rights of the authors of GPLed components and patches included in > the distribution. However, there is no good explanation or example of > that, and that's what I'd like to see.

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Gaal Yahas
On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 11:45:56PM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: > Gnome are also a long way from a friendly GUI (I'm using the latest from > Helix), but it's not as restrictive. can't explain it in words, but > Gnome is more intuitive and flowing for me. Yalla yalla. Go tvtwm! -- believing is se

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Alex Shnitman
Hi, Nimrod! On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 04:08:25PM +0300, you wrote the following: > Recently I switched to FreeBSD and decided to give GNOME a try. Built > all gtk/gnome components from sources (using the excellent BSD ports > system) - latest stable versions. > > Took me two days to realize GNOME

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
IANAL, and I would love to get into the guts of the licensing problem. The fact that KDE/Qt is not GPLed does not bother me per se (since I don't develop KDE-related stuff), but if they violate GPL that's a big problem that might lead me to dropping KDE indeed. However, the slashback article con

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Ira Abramov
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > > Ira wrote: > > > > QT is NOT free software, and as such it does not settle with GPL of KDE > > > as it is distributed today. > > According to RMS it is free (check www.gnu.org). The requirements are > that users are allowed to distribute the code, m

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Oops, I mean that QT 2.0 is open-source, but its not free. You can use it for open source project, but once u start selling, u need to pay to Trolltech. Sorry, Hetz Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > > Ira wrote: > > > > QT is NOT free software, and as such it does not settle with GPL of KDE > > > as it i

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Ira Abramov
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > (scroll to fourth item) > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/13/1642213 > > You're more then welcome to take a look at the kde-devel archive at: > http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&r=1&w=2 to see their response. I > remembered that I posted a

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
Ira wrote: > > QT is NOT free software, and as such it does not settle with GPL of KDE > > as it is distributed today. According to RMS it is free (check www.gnu.org). The requirements are that users are allowed to distribute the code, modify the code, and distribute their modifications. All th

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Ok, I'll bite this one... Ira, regarding your first post: > (scroll to fourth item) > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/13/1642213 You're more then welcome to take a look at the kde-devel archive at: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&r=1&w=2 to see their response. I remembered that I pos

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Ira Abramov
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > > and to the more politicly aware > > linux users I explain my other ideological problems with their > > cathedral practices and license problems. > > I guess you also don't use bind (cathedral), sendmail (cathedral), qmail > (cathedral). Also, read lkm

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
> and to the more politicly aware > linux users I explain my other ideological problems with their > cathedral practices and license problems. I guess you also don't use bind (cathedral), sendmail (cathedral), qmail (cathedral). Also, read lkml and see how many patches not accepted into the kern

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo
NM>> Took me two days to realize GNOME is not nearly as stable as KDE1 is. NM>> While mostly, it works, various components (e.g., the help application) NM>> crash repeatedly and sometimes restarting X seems like the only NM>> option... Seems you have bugs in your X installation. Never saw GNOME l

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 01:40:56PM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: > feel free to comment, but don't make this into a religious war between > KDE and other competitors, this is about license violations and > ideologies. Not to argue on which's better today, KDE was the best thing that happened to Linux

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Omer Zak
This is a short range vs. long range conflict. In the short range, KDE is more stable, has more nice software, etc. But in the long range, what will happen to KDE and software based upon it? THE reason for Stallman's GPL is to vest with users of software the power to modify it and tailor it to th

Re: Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Nimrod Mesika
Ira Abramov wrote: > > I have reached a decision to do away with KDE on systems I'll install > from now on. I may install applications based on QT if I must, but only > from source I suppose. I wish useful products like Konqueror are ported > to GTk somehow one day. > > feel free to comment, but

Consider banning KDE?

2000-06-17 Thread Ira Abramov
I have been asked several times in the past why I have an aversion from the KDE project. I often answer that I have to many things I dislike about the interface and organization, and to the more politicly aware linux users I explain my other ideological problems with their cathedral practices and