kde frontend

2006-05-26 Thread Georg Baum
I have created an experimental kde branch at svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branches/personal/baum/kde. It can be configured in parallel to the other frontends. It is pretty lightweight (no copied source files, therefore it has some ugly ifdefs). The only difference to the qt3 frontend so far is t

KDE frontend

2000-11-16 Thread Andre Poenitz
I just started browsing through the 'frontends' directory (I have not been there for ages)... I find it a bit surprising that the 'new's and 'delete's are a bit out of balance. Is there some black magic in the backgraound that releases the resources allocated in RefDlg::RefDlg(...) for instance?

KDE frontend

2001-06-01 Thread John Levon
frontends/kde/ should be removed as it is unmaintained and is likely to stay that way. What's best to do ? Perhaps it could be "mv"d directly in the repository to the old "lyx" module or something, to avoid leaving all the dead directories around ? I'll supply a patch shortly to remove KDE stuf

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-27 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Georg Baum wrote: > I have created an experimental kde branch at > svn://svn.lyx.org/lyx/lyx-devel/branches/personal/baum/kde. It can be > configured in parallel to the other frontends. It is pretty lightweight (no > copied source files, therefore it has some ugly ifdefs). The only > difference to

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-27 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: I'd second that. Me too but shouldn't be an automatic detection? I did that. Two things for a start: - it would be good if --with-frontend=kde compiled the qt frontend automatically. Yes and at runtime, the binary would switch to Qt only is KDE is not detected

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-27 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 15:05 schrieb Juergen Spitzmueller: > I did that. Two things for a start: > - it would be good if --with-frontend=kde compiled the qt frontend > automatically. Why? It does not need it. Although the sources are shared, the object files are not. > - in the kfiledialog, t

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-27 Thread Georg Baum
Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 15:11 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > > > I'd second that. > > Me too but shouldn't be an automatic detection? Currently I simply implemented an additional frontend name kde. It is like any other frontend, the only difference is that the sou

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-28 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Georg Baum wrote: > Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 15:05 schrieb Juergen Spitzmueller: > > I did that. Two things for a start: > > - it would be good if --with-frontend=kde compiled the qt frontend > > automatically. > > Why? It does not need it. Although the sources are shared, the object > files are no

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-28 Thread Charles de Miramon
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: . > > I'd second that. > Me too. Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-28 Thread Georg Baum
> automatically. > > > > Why? It does not need it. Although the sources are shared, the object > > files are not. > > compiling --with-frontend=kde fails from a fresh tree for me, I needed > --with-frontend="qt kde" I forgot to change one include pa

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-28 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Am Samstag, 27. Mai 2006 15:11 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: I'd second that. Me too but shouldn't be an automatic detection? Currently I simply implemented an additional frontend name kde. It is like any other frontend, the only difference is that

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > I did that. Two things for a start: > - it would be good if >> --with-frontend=kde compiled the qt frontend > automatically. >> >> Yes and at runtime, the binary would switch to Qt only is KDE is >> not detected. Is this possible? Geor

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-29 Thread Georg Baum
Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 18:00 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes: > > "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Georg> I guess so, but it would involve dynamic loading of libs at run > Georg> time, and before anything happens the binary must decide > Georg> whether it wants a QApplication o

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-29 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Georg> I don't know. I never heard of it. I searched a bit and found Georg> out that it is supposed to be in SuSE 9.3 and 10.0 which I use Georg> at work, but I did not notice anything. Certainly the kde file Georg> dialog is not used by qt a

Re: kde frontend

2006-05-30 Thread Charles de Miramon
Georg Baum wrote: > > I don't know. I never heard of it. I searched a bit and found out that it > is supposed to be in SuSE 9.3 and 10.0 which I use at work, but I did not > notice anything. Certainly the kde file dialog is not used by qt apps. > > > Georg Why don't you post a question in kde-c

Re: kde frontend

2006-06-03 Thread Georg Baum
Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 11:48 schrieb Charles de Miramon: > Why don't you post a question in kde-core-devel ? I might do so when I know what I want to ask :-) > I think Trolltech is > folding back in Qt4 some functionalities of KDELibs. Maybe, the light KDE > port will be easier with Qt4 and

Re: KDE frontend

2000-11-16 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > I just started browsing through the 'frontends' directory (I have not been > there for ages)... > > I find it a bit surprising that the 'new's and 'delete's are a bit out of > balance. Is there some black magic in the backgraound that releases the >

PATCH: kde frontend

2001-02-22 Thread Angus Leeming
Attached is a small patch to be applied to the HEAD branch of CVS. It re-enables compilation of the KDE frontend. Angus patch.diff.gz

Re: KDE frontend

2001-06-03 Thread Allan Rae
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, John Levon wrote: > frontends/kde/ should be removed as it is unmaintained > and is likely to stay that way. What's best to do ? You're abandoning it? What ever happened to the arguement that KDE1 would be around for ages to come? Has KDE2/Qt2 proved so popular? Or are you

Re: PATCH: kde frontend

2001-03-01 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Attached is a small patch to be applied to the HEAD branch of CVS. It | re-enables compilation of the KDE frontend. did this get applied? Lgb

Re: PATCH: kde frontend

2001-03-02 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> did this get applied? Yes. JMarc

Re: PATCH: kde frontend

2001-03-02 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 01 March 2001 21:33, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Attached is a small patch to be applied to the HEAD branch of CVS. It > | re-enables compilation of the KDE frontend. > > did this get applied? Apparentl

[PATCH] remove kde frontend

2001-06-02 Thread John Levon
this gets rid of the kde config gubbins etc. cvs remove -f config/kde.m4 thanks john -- "Please crack down on the Chinaman's friends and Hitler's commander. Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast. A boy has never wept ... nor dashed a thousand kim. Did you hear me?"

[PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-06 Thread John Levon
Things are worse than I thought. My previously reported bug with autogen.sh and the broken library thing is /not/ due to the attached patch. I currently can't build lyx as a result. Can someone please look into the problem ? Am I the only one who gets the problem with autogen.sh ? Please apply

kde frontend: LyXFunc or LyXView

2000-06-16 Thread Marko Vendelin
current CVS does not compile with KDE frontend due to the difference in Dialogs class definition for KDE and Xforms frontends. Namely, Dialogs class constructor expects LyXView* as its argument in Xforms frontend (src/frontends/Dialogs.h src/frontends/xforms/Dialogs.C) and LyXFunc* as an

small patch to kde frontend

2000-09-19 Thread Angus Leeming
The small patch attached to this mail enables error and warning free compilation of the kde frontend using DEC cxx. Patch made against today's (19Sep) CVS. Angus Index: ChangeLog === RCS file: /usr/local/lyx/cvsroot/lyx-

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-07 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
not update autoconf to 2.50 yet. JMarc John> Please apply the attached patch (as it's not the source of the John> bug) Personnally I do not really care about the kde frontend, but are we sure nobody will miss it? Is kde 1.x really dead? JMarc

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-07 Thread Yves Bastide
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 04:38:01PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "John" == John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John> --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > John> Content-Disposition: inline > > John> Things are worse than I thought. My previously repo

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Yves" == Yves Bastide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yves> About autoconf 2.50: I've prepared a patch with compatibility Yves> macros, but it needs to be cleaned up a bit. Great! JMarc

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Yves" == Yves Bastide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Yves> About autoconf 2.50: I've prepared a patch with compatibility | Yves> macros, but it needs to be cleaned up a bit. | | Great! One thing thoug... do we really want them? For us

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> For users compiling the configure script delivered with LyX is Lars> used, developers should all use the same tools. _Or_ is this a Lars> patch/addon to autoconf 2.50 to make it backwards compatible Lars> with 2.13? In the lat

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-08 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Lars> For users compiling the configure script delivered with LyX is | Lars> used, developers should all use the same tools. _Or_ is this a | Lars> patch/addon to autoconf 2.50

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-08 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> I am sure it is possible, the question is if we want it. Yes, if this means rewriting ugly code to make it more reasonable. I do not know the specifics, however. JMarc

Re: [PATCH] remove KDE frontend

2001-06-08 Thread John Levon
6 2000/05/27 11:12:27) moz lyx-devel 109 automake --version automake (GNU automake) 1.4 moz lyx-devel 110 autoconf --version > Personnally I do not really care about the kde frontend, but are we > sure nobody will miss it? Is kde 1.x really dead? it doesn't compile and is incomplete. Unle

Re: kde frontend: LyXFunc or LyXView

2000-06-16 Thread Angus Leeming
Marko> current CVS does not compile with KDE frontend due to the difference in Marko> Dialogs class definition for KDE and Xforms frontends. Namely, Dialogs Marko> class constructor expects LyXView* as its argument in Xforms frontend Marko> (src/frontends/Dialogs.h src/frontends/xfor

Re: kde frontend: LyXFunc or LyXView

2000-06-16 Thread Marko Vendelin
to compile > (and maybe even link??) but the resulting executable will not have these > dialogs. Seems a bit pointless, no? > > If, of course, you wish to write the missing dialogs... > > Angus > The attached small patch allows to compile kde frontend. The resulting executab

Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread Angus Leeming
Ok, I'm feeling pretty proud of myself. I've compiled and linked lyx with the kde frontend. This has meant compiling the kde-1.1.2 libraries with DEC cxx; straightforward, but tedious with all those "using std::xxx" and extern "C" calls I've come to know an

RE: small patch to kde frontend

2000-09-19 Thread Juergen Vigna
On 19-Sep-2000 Angus Leeming wrote: > The small patch attached to this mail enables error and warning free > compilation of the kde frontend using DEC cxx. Patch made against today's > (19Sep) CVS. Applied!

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Angus Leeming wrote: > Ok, I'm feeling pretty proud of myself. I've compiled and linked lyx with > the kde frontend. cool ! > Finally, the src/Makefile defines the qt and kdelibraries as: > -lqt -lkdecore > This results in lots of "

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Angus Leeming wrote: > When it came to configuring/compiling/linking lyx, again all went fairly > smoothly, but there are some bugs in the configure script which could be > removed. > I have just done : ./configure --with-frontend=kde --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt-1.45/ and

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread Angus Leeming
* Recreate configure by running autogen.sh * Run configure through the shell script that I sent before. Also attached to this mail. Here I get: checking for Qt... libraries /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/lib, headers /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/include

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Angus Leeming wrote: > * Recreate configure by running autogen.sh > * Run configure through the shell script that I sent before. Also attached to > this mail. > > Here I get: > checking for Qt... libraries /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/lib, > headers /usr/users/alee

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread Paul Seelig
Hi Angus! It's great to hear about your success! :-) On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:20:09PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > checking for Qt... libraries /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/lib, > headers /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/include [ snip ] > checking for K

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Paul Seelig wrote: > Hi Angus! > > It's great to hear about your success! :-) > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:20:09PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > > checking for Qt... libraries /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/lib, > > headers /usr/users/aleem/OTHERS_CODE/qt-1.44/incl

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread Angus Leeming
No, I don't think so. The changes that would need to be made to the code base are minimal and well documented. Porting apps from kde-1.1.2 to kde-2.x is (apparently) very easy. Anyway, the guy doing the port (John Levon) is running kde-1.1.2, so really the question is academic. Feel free to co

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread Angus Leeming
> > You'll see that it has decided to use the installed kde libraries rather > > than the ones I want! Uses the correct header files though! > > I am guessing that you do not have a libkdecore.la file in the specified > location. Is this correct ? I must admit personally I don't understand the > r

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Angus Leeming wrote: > The linker doesn't require the .la files at all. This is something to do with > libtool. OK, so is it correct to insist that libkdecore.la exists ? Can anyone comment ? > Everything makes perfectly too, with no tweaking of src/Makefile when I link

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread Paul Seelig
On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 03:06:52PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Paul Seelig wrote: > > > Isn't it a futile effort still using qt-1.4x and KDE-1.x for the KLyX > > port? Wouldn't it make more sense basing this port right away on a > > GPL'ed qt-2.x and the forthcoming KDE-2.x?

Re: Making lyx with the kde frontend

2000-09-21 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Paul Seelig wrote: > I just hope that the GTK/GNOME frontend becomes a worthwhile compile > ASAP. afaik the gnome frontend is currently more advanced than the KDE one ! > I'd really love to get rid of having to use LyX via the XForms > frontend once and for all... ;-) >

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-17 Thread John Levon
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Matthias Ettrich wrote: > sorry for not sending this email ealier. Mandrake is innocent OK > During the KOffice Meeting after the Linux Tag two months ago, > [...] > Unfortunatly, neither he nor me had the time to finish the things we planned. > Too many things happened w

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-17 Thread Matthias Ettrich
Friday 17 November 2000 18:06 wrote John Levon: > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Matthias Ettrich wrote: > > sorry for not sending this email ealier. Mandrake is innocent > > OK > > > During the KOffice Meeting after the Linux Tag two months ago, > > [...] > > Unfortunatly, neither he nor me had the time to

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-17 Thread John Levon
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Matthias Ettrich wrote: > Note that I didn't do anything with this code for months. Just sending a > short note "we wrote something, do something with it or leave it", isn't > sufficient. It was clear to me that I will have to spend some time arguing > with you people at l

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-17 Thread Matthias Ettrich
Friday 17 November 2000 21:11 wrote John Levon: > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Matthias Ettrich wrote: [snip] > True, but then you lose the KDE2 added bonuses. I'm sure *you* are aware > of that :) > > I'm not averse to a pure-Qt port, but personally I'm not interested in > it ... In KDE2, pure Qt and KD

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-17 Thread Andre Poenitz
> According to the latest surveys, the vast majority of linux users has > machines with more than 300 Mhz and at least 64MB ram. My personal survey gives an 486DX2-66/16 MB (and LyX 0.10 ;-)), and a P133/48MB at home where I do most of my writing and at work a P100/64, a P133/32, a PII350/512 an

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-20 Thread Angus Leeming
Hi, Matthias. I've been reading this discussion with interest. As one of the guys doing this coding, I feel it has some relevance to me!! The only point I don't understand is why you believe the GUI-Independence stuff is limiting? The LyX kernel knows nothing about the GUI. It just emits a fe

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-22 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Matthias Ettrich wrote: > Maybe you'll change mind and will be able to convince Lars and Asger :) I was never angry about the KDE port you did. I even considered branching with you. The only reason that I didn't jump aboard that branch was that the other LyX developers wou

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-22 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | I was never angry about the KDE port you did. I even considered branching | with you. I was never angry about the _port_, I was angry about the lack of communication! | Now, the situation is different. I think it is more realistic to sw

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-22 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 01:18:19PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote: ... > I think I can answer some of it for you: > > Some developers are not mainly interested in bringing a modern > application to the users. It's more fun to play around with a > code, learn C++ some more, clean u

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-22 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Technology Committee of AGU. I hope to be able to work on getting LaTeX | more accepted within the AGU community (it is already, but people | complain the lack of easy visual tools ;-), and especially to make the | AGU LaTeX classes as augmented by Pa

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-22 Thread Allan Rae
I've kept everybody waiting long enough... It's a long reply... really long but then you wouldn't believe I wrote it if it was short. I think I covered everything. Glossary. GUII = GUI Independence. On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Matthias Ettrich wrote: > > > > Because the current GUI-I code is limited

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Allan Rae wrote: Dear Allan, Let me try to summarize some of your points: 1) Being independent is better, since you'll potentially last longer in a changing environment 2) Different GUI frontends creates competition, and thus more innovation 3) Different frontends attra

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Martin Vermeer wrote: > As one who is actually more concerned with this user focus than with the > code, I still have to say that I can understand it. I can see that > writing excellent code is laying the basis for developing an excellent > application. That's why I very much

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread John Levon
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote: > Would you be still be enthusiastic to participate in LyX development if > GUII was dropped and focus was on Qt as the main toolkit? > > Greets, > > Asger It seems to me that the implemented framework is a reasonable method for providing ex

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Angus Leeming
On Thursday 23 November 2000 12:35, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote: > Indirectly, you acknowledge that Matthias is right about one thing: > > GUII takes a long time. > > The basic question then remains: Is GUII worth it? > > Please distinguish between GUII and model/view separation. These thin

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Jürgen Vigna
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > At this point, LyX development is less need-driven than ever. > The developers also do not do the work because they want more > respect of users. The existing users crowd is already enthuisiatic, > and it does not matter whether there are 100,000 users or > 1,

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Jürgen Vigna
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I've kept everybody waiting long enough... >It's a long reply... really long but then you wouldn't believe I wrote it >if it was short. I think I covered everything. You got me and I really expected something like this from you (and I thought Asge

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Jürgen Vigna
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Therefore it is relevant informally to ask all the developers: >Would you be still be enthusiastic to participate in LyX development if >GUII was dropped and focus was on Qt as the main toolkit? Well my answer is: NO! (I love short mails ;) Jür

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-23 Thread Allan Rae
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Allan Rae wrote: > > Dear Allan, > > Let me try to summarize some of your points: > > 1) Being independent is better, since you'll potentially last longer in >a changing environment > 2) Different GUI frontends cr

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-24 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Let me repeat in this context, what I just wrote to Allan: | | You have to distuingish between GUII and model/view separation. | | You achieve the long-time stability, and avoidance of "death of | entropy" with basic model/view separatio

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-25 Thread Amir Karger
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 02:52:35PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > > > P.S. I've spent so much time writing this that I'm inclinded to just > include it word for word in the next issue of LDN rather than just link to > to it. Do you have a problem with me doing that? Do you want your quotes > remov

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-26 Thread John Weiss
On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 02:52:35PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > > Fast, flexible development comes from a stable source base not from [...] ...and well-written, well-commented source. Let's not forget that. > Forking a KLyX, a GLyX and a CursesLyX won't make it quicker and easier to > develop LyX

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Would you be still be enthusiastic to participate in LyX Asger> development if GUII was dropped and focus was on Qt as the main Asger> toolkit? NO! But I don't know what I would have said before reading Matthias' messag

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-27 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Matthias" == Matthias Ettrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello there, I've been reading this thread when it was nearly over, so all the technical points have been taken. Since I am not going to do that again, I'll restrict myself to the subjective part :) Matthias> Of course. Restrictin

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-27 Thread Jürgen Vigna
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> "Matthias" == Matthias Ettrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Hello there, >I've been reading this thread when it was nearly over, so all the >technical points have been taken. Since I am not going to do that >again, I'll restrict myself to the

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-27 Thread Amir Karger
On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 05:29:20PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Matthias" == Matthias Ettrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I've been reading this thread when it was nearly over, so all the > technical points have been taken. Since I am not going to do that > again, I'll restrict

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-27 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On 24 Nov 2000, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > "Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | You have to distuingish between GUII and model/view separation. > > I really do not see the difference between mvs and guii when only one > toolkit is supported, except that with only one t

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Angus Leeming
> My advice is clear: Small steps. The first step is model/view separation > for one toolkit. Honestly, I doubt that you can handle even that > task. But please: Don't try to do the big one in one go, or you'll end up > with a new 1.1.x. Well I can reassure you on that front. We plan to do no

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> I knew you wouldn't do this, so I have to bring out some Asger> heavier ammo: The menus and toolbars. These, you are beginning Asger> to tackle, but you haven't quite yet. The current communication model is broken, but

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Jürgen" == Jürgen Vigna writes: Jürgen> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> "Matthias" == Matthias Ettrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Hello there, I've been reading this thread when it was nearly over, >> so all the technical points have been taken. Since I am not g

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On 28 Nov 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Menus and toolbars are read at startup already. It would be better to > change them on the fly, but this should be doable. I know the menus and toolbars exist as data structures (after all, we started this together in Italy), and therefore, it's rela

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | But it only demonstrates what Matthias already said: We are closer to | the lowest common standard, rather than closer to the possible | standard. | For instance, there is no functionality to handle dynamic menus, in the | sense of menus t

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> In parenthesis, we should add that this has been accomplished Asger> by defining a minimum feature set: We cut out the dynamic part Asger> of the menus that existed previously (i.e. LinuxDoc adaption), Asger> and focused

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> I have been thinking of moving _all_ toolbar/menu stuff into the Lars> GUI and have _no_ backend support. This will allow the Tk to use Lars> whatever method/scheme it sees at the best for its implementaion Lars> of toolbars an

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Lars> I have been thinking of moving _all_ toolbar/menu stuff into the | Lars> GUI and have _no_ backend support. This will allow the Tk to use | Lars> whatever method/scheme it

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> I really think that this code has nothing to do in the Lars> "backend", imho it is part of the frontend, if it is directly in Lars> the tk code or in the common frontend code does not concern me Lars> as much. You just mean th

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | You just mean that the common code should not be named "backend"? | Well, it's called MenuDesc right now, so it should be OK :) With "backend" I mean the core LyX structures. | Lars> Let's imagine a lyx-server-only port. Why should the | Lars>

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-28 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> Yes but we still have the toolbarbackend as a global variable. It should probably be a member of LyXGUI or LyXView (I'm not clear about what is the role of these different classes). Lars> Agree. And I belive that the location

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-29 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On 28 Nov 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Nope. We have several things the provide dynamic menus: I'm glad that the menu model in LyX is more complete than I thought. Congratulations on some good work there. Therefore, I must retract the argument that GUII will make the model more basic, si

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-29 Thread Marko Vendelin
> I'm not sure what we gain with that. The problems which exist in some > architectures (e.g. how do you update a dynamic menu when it is teared off) > will continue to exist anyway. If you find a good solution for a > frontend, I am sure it will work with the current scheme. The only problem of

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-12-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Therefore, I must retract the argument that GUII will make the Asger> model more basic, since obviously it isn't for the dialogs and Asger> the menus. Thanks :) Asger> If you by infrastructure mean the model abstraction

Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-12-06 Thread Allan Rae
On 4 Dec 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Asger" == Asger K Alstrup Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Asger> If you by infrastructure mean the model abstraction, yes, this > Asger> will be easy. But once again, you basically just shove > Asger> complexity into the front-ends:

[Matthias Ettrich ] Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend

2000-11-17 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Lars, I send this to you as I'm not on qt-devel. Can you please forward it to the appropriate mailing list? Thanks. Matthias > -- Forwarded Message -- > Subject: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend > Date: 16 Nov 2000 21:17:59 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTEC

projects [was: Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend]

2000-11-23 Thread John Levon
On 22 Nov 2000, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > - the NEW_INSET code that you mentioned. (lot still missing, > itemize/enumerate is still hardcoded, insetfloat needs some work ...) > - the restructureing of internal storage formats (from implicit home > grown linked list to std::containers) And

Re: projects [was: Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend]

2000-12-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | also I personally would like to see a re-organisation of the lyxfunc code | to be more organised, as I briefly mentioned earlier. This would also be a | great oppportunity for me to learn some more advanced C++ ;) Yes, please. If not for anything else tha

Re: projects [was: Re: Fwd: Re: Mandrake and KDe frontend]

2000-12-07 Thread John Levon
On 7 Dec 2000, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | also I personally would like to see a re-organisation of the lyxfunc code > | to be more organised, as I briefly mentioned earlier. This would also be a > | great oppportunity for me to learn some more advan