Re: [Marxism] role of the army

2010-11-08 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Just a comment on the teabaggers, the problems always been defining who is and isn't

[Marxism] role of the army

2010-11-08 Thread Peggy Dobbins
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I've cut and pasted Artesian's comments and reply in the other font Artesian wrote:

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-08 Thread S. Artesian
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We should not forget how this discussion started-- which was about discrimination i

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I meant the specific plan of turning the army towards nonmilitary, socially useful p

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Carrol Cox
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause: It's an older proposal than that... try Edward Bellamy from the 1880s o

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's an older proposal than that... try Edward Bellamy from the 1880s or George Lip

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Peggy Dobbins
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 'twas as I said "a modest proposal" in the spirit of Cox's Army of unemployed in 19

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Peggy Dobbins wrote: > How 'bout lobbying for, or

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Peggy Dobbins
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == > > Accepting Engel's definition of The State as The Laws [that support the > inte

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Joonas Laine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Paul Flewers wrote: > There has also been a recent trend in Europe to move away from

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-07 Thread Paul Flewers
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Re Kenneth Morgan's posting, it's noteworthy that many of the countries in Western E

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Intense Red
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == >> I think Marxists should be in favor of UNIVERSAL military service, >> yes, cons

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Dan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There is talk about the Paris Commune as an example of units from the national guard

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread johnedmundson
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == S.Artesian wrote: > I think Marxists should be in favor of UNIVERSAL military servi

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Kenneth Morgan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, S. Artesian wrote: > " The whole point is to not

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Marv Gandall
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Here's one Marine Corps Major General I'd be prepared to posthumously absolve: "I s

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread S. Artesian
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Those are very good points about the transformation of the military with the emerge

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Dan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Artesian, I hold your views in great esteem, and I believe that as Marxists, we sha

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread S. Artesian
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == See? History shows us the way... - Original Message - From: "Mark Lause"

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hmm. Not just the Kronstadt rebles, but the Communards. The soul of the Commune we

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Kenneth Morgan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Dan wrote: > > "And thus, they are seen as being

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread S. Artesian
the sailors get organized against those needs of the military as a bourgeois institution. Without transitions-- "becoming," "mediation"-- there's nothing . From: "Dan" To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Dan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So let's refine our definitions. Most working people will define an army as a group

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Louis Proyect
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 11/6/10 4:45 PM, Dan wrote: > Well, Louis, the position of the Kronstadt rebels (

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Dan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, Louis, the position of the Kronstadt rebels (or the Makhnovtshitshina army, or

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Louis Proyect
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 11/6/10 3:32 PM, Dan wrote: > According to the pre-1914 CGT (an openly Anarcho-sy

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-06 Thread Dan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So this is an (unforeseen, by me) major difference between the Marxist Leninist and

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread S. Artesian
- From: "Manuel Barrera" To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxi

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread Mark Lause
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == We play by rules not of their making. We all survive by selling our labor to capita

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread Manuel Barrera
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sartesian said: "Exactly, again. It cannot be any simpler. We oppose discriminat

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread Kenneth Morgan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:10 PM, DW wrote: > > "I talked with a young ISOer at the

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread David Picón Álvarez
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For goodness' sake. What's so bloody hard about this? Capitalist employers are oppre

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread DW
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bill, you ask how anyone joining the army could be defended. Defended in what way? I

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread Bill Quimby
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I thought that the argument was 1. If the army is (generally, in all but the most r

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread Peggy Dobbins
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Dan wrote: > > The Army is the enemy of the people

Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread S. Artesian
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Take it easy, Dan. That's hardly the point of disagreement. Nobody is arguing for

[Marxism] Role of the Army

2010-11-04 Thread Dan
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Army is the enemy of the people. Whether an external threat or an internal thre