Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Tom C
Certainly... I understand. Given that you could achieve your desired results, would you opt for a lower or higher ISO? My guess is one usually opts for the lowest ISO possible. For me personally, if I could get a FF DLSR that was great at ISO 200 - 800, comparable to the same ISO film, and if

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Dario Bonazza
John Francis wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 07:48:17PM -0600, Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO performance at 1600

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s) Certainly... I understand. Given that you could achieve your desired results, would you opt for a lower or higher ISO? My guess is one usually opts for the lowest ISO

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Toralf Lund
Adam Maas wrote: Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding who knows about Pentax?... I'd take a full frame sensor that did very well between 200 - 400 ISO any day (ISO 800) w/b nice, over any sensor that had marginal high ISO [ ... ] I get results at ISO1600+ on film that I would

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread Derby Chang
I'll third that. She'll have lots of aunties and uncles around the globe when she travels. D Bob Sullivan wrote: I'll second that Bill. She should be our adopted granddaughter. Nice picture Paul... Regards, Bob S. On 10/21/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely shot.

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to watch. A peaceful ending would be a blessing. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 5:34 AM, Derby Chang wrote: I'll third that. She'll

Re: GFM in October

2007-10-22 Thread cbwaters
It's during the running scenes. There's about five-ten seconds of him running around one of the curves. CW - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: GFM in October Mark,

OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread David Savage
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Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul, From your lips to God's ears... Good luck to her. Regards, Bob S. On 10/22/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to

PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- Sharpness is a

Re: PESO: Visitor in the office

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/19/07, Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two disclaimers: 1. Not Pentax 2. Not Art. Just aaaw ..and one warning: Adorable kitten! With all that out of the way... http://charles.robinsontwins.org/ photos/2007/best/pages/page_79.html Well, I like cats, and this is a

Re: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread cbwaters
HAR! - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: OT: Is it just me... ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?:

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Derby Chang
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg She's such a cutie! Thanks for posting it, Paul... cheers, frank -- Sharpness

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Adam Maas
Tom C wrote: Certainly... I understand. Given that you could achieve your desired results, would you opt for a lower or higher ISO? My guess is one usually opts for the lowest ISO possible. For me personally, if I could get a FF DLSR that was great at ISO 200 - 800, comparable to the

Re: GFM in October

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/20/07, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The obligatory tourist shot from GFM for those that haven't been there in October. Taken with the Optio MX at f2.9 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6548526 Gorgeous! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri

Re: PESO meet Fluffy

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/21/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meet Fluffy... http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/PESO02/photo#5123874132768234114 I told my wife we had two skunks who occasionally came by at night. I told her one was white. She threw out leftover popcorn this morning and was

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks for looking. -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm.

Re: Peso Beaming down

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/21/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a test shot, playing around with Tony Sweets method in the house the other day. Shot a few indoor flowers and Lucy happened to be sitting on the couch, so i played around a bit.

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread pnstenquist
Interesting. I think i would have liked it better if the fogged panel had extended to the ground. But it's still a keeper. Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Brian Walters
It works for me - a very unusual and intriguing composition. The noise suits the mood as well. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting frank

Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236

2007-10-22 Thread dick graham
In the Pentax dpreview forum a commet was made that Pentax has pushed back new dslr intros to January '08. Apparently Hoya wants to make sure that all is done right and everything is functioning the way it is supposed to. DG -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg Wow, great one, Frank!

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Roberts
David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml I am now wiping coffee off my computer monitor... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Holy S%# -f -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

RE: GFM in October

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Owens
Thanks, Frank I think it was Ansel Adams who said if you get one good photo a year, you've done well. This is mine for 2007. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:58 AM To: Pentax-Discuss

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html -- Cheers, Cotty

Re: Cut or Keep? A Question About Editing

2007-10-22 Thread ann sanfedele
Doug Franklin wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Personally, I disagree with that. At least, I'd much rather have subjective critiques of my photos. There is /no/ such thing as an objective critique from a human. There /cannot/ be one. There are ones that make a greater effort than others

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Mat Maessen
On 10/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. ... http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 Morning like this, I just want to turn around and crawl back into bed. Nicely caught, Frank. You

Re: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread ann sanfedele
cbwaters wrote: HAR! Did he pose for it? ann who Hars also - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: OT: Is it just me... ...or does this character resemble our very

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread David Savage
On 10/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right.

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread David Savage
On 10/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right.

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/10/07, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Oh my god - you're absolutely right.

RE: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Owens
The resemblance is amazing!!! Bill ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Mat Maessen
On 10/22/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my god - you're absolutely right. http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/spare2.html *SPLORF* Dammit, that was a good cup of coffee, too! -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, great one, Frank! I *really* like this. Funny, but I kept thinking about you when I was processing this. Kept thinking about one of your favourite quotes from Mr. Hugh Morton: Bad weather makes good photographs. Thanks for the kind

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 22, 2007, at 5:34 AM, frank theriault wrote: http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/ gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg This is great stuff, Frank! Very mysterious, moody, cool picture! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a tough time getting a pic of Grace in the sandbox. The light is almost always horrible when we're at the park, and it's hard for me to get low enough to get a nice angle. Today, I set the DA 16-45 at 16mm and held it just off the

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Jack Davis
I tried getting in touch with a feeling about this, but have to say, 'very mysterious' is all I'm left with. Maybe that's enough.(?) Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/21/07, Paul Stenquist

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Doug Brewer
not enough mustache David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Christian
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 That's the pic I was commenting on (even though I replied to your

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread pnstenquist
That makes sense. Grandpa still in his Monday morning fog:-) -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/10/07, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: not enough mustache Good point. Also, wasn't there a larval Lepidoptera attached to the chin? Hey, we all go through that phase. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread ann sanfedele
frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks,

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use Photoshop. -- PDML

Re: PESO meet Fluffy

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Now Derby is channeling Peppi Lepue. This place just keeps getting stranger and stranger. Derby Chang wrote: Bob Sullivan wrote: Meet Fluffy... http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/PESO02/photo#5123874132768234114 I told my wife we had two skunks who occasionally came by at night.

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Doug Brewer
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use

Re: Completely and totally OT: Politics

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes but that lead to a proposal for a Nuclear Ramjet cruse missile No payload needed, just circle it over you're enemies territory until everything died. John Sessoms wrote: From: graywolf A conspiracy theory there, Bob? Personally I like the one for the nucular engines for the B-1

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so much the quality. I find that both the *ist-D and Ds give better results at 1600 than most any film I've ever used. It's worth raving about. Tom C wrote: With the caveat regarding

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
It would be better if it were a little less centered. frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Sorenson
Kind of spooky - good fit for a Hallowe'en weekend. -p frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Tom C
Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, or skewed, is that with film photography it was generally accepted that

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Heck, I've finally learned to compose for the 35mm frame, and unlike some people I know the 6x9 format well predates the popularity of 35mm double frame cameras. John Sessoms wrote: From: Toralf Lund graywolf wrote: Or something like a 24x30 or 24x32 frame? Or 24x28,

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/10/07, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed: not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use Photoshop. unless one holds the keys to the kingdom I'm bailing. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be better if it were a little less centered. I agree - perhaps that, along with the fact that the mist only frosted the top half of the bus shelter (leaving the figure's bottom 1/2 relatively sharp) are why I'm ambivalent about it (I

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Sorenson
My best to you and her, Paul. I lost my mother in August, just a couple weeks before her 89th birthday. Sometimes it's hard to put aside our own impending sense of loss and acknowledge that a peaceful ending is, indeed, the blessing our loved ones need. -p Paul Stenquist wrote: The good

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml not enough mustache That might not be the wisest comment to make to people who know how to use

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
I had in my mind either a shot at the top of the slide or the bottom - either would have been more dramatic in showing the 'climb' - as it is, it's a nice snap for the album. She is cute as always. -- Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:28:18 PM, you wrote: PS Grace has been determined to

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ET, Go home... I see what you mean -- it would drive me nuts if I took it (for your reasons) -- the overall feel is wonderful but the alien's shape is a problem, I think... Not much help - sorry That shape doesn't bother me that much -

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
Pretty good, really. You got a good angle on her and the light seems reasonably tamed. Good shot, there! -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:43:19 PM, you wrote: PS Wrong URL on this one. Should be: PS http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 PS On Oct 21, 2007, at

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
No I get your point. But Film quality has improved immensely in 100 years. High ISO, or ASA or DIN was once in the 100 range. and very grainy. The bar keeps being raised. What is now unacceptable was at one time the norm. It seems to me that you're making the mistake of believing that things

Re: Slightly OT: Right clicked images find there way home

2007-10-22 Thread David Savage
All that blood flow being redirected away from the brain has side effects... Cheers, Dave On 10/22/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about girls makes you dumb. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Paul Sorenson wrote: Oops...you're right. But it does make you have

Re: PESO: Glorious beer

2007-10-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
It may be a snap, but you did capture the feeling of festivity. Nice one. -- Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 4:50:37 AM, you wrote: DC I like this snap, but there were sad consequences after right after this DC shot. Had forgotten to charge the liths before the fest. So with the DC camera

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Adam Maas
One reason why High ISO quality is such a hobbyhorse is that so many people are trying to achieve shots that need a fast prime with a slow (f4 or slower) zoom. You NEED good high ISO when you're stuck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the guy next to you is shooting wide open with his 85/1.4 at ISO 800.

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Bruce Dayton
It's ok - at least to me - not outstanding. Part of the issue I think is that the glass is heavily fogged but the surroundings are only lightly foggy. It makes for an imbalance that looks more like the fogging from breathing on the windows rather than the fog from the weather. So more of a

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Adam Maas
Agreed, and I'm one of those available darkness Tri-X heads. Even 3200 on the D and DS is better than film (I'd rate it similar to most films at 1600). -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Tri-X heads shooting available light were always looking for more speed. It was the content that counted not so

Re: PESO: Glorious beer

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/21/07, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like this snap, but there were sad consequences after right after this shot. Had forgotten to charge the liths before the fest. So with the camera juiceless, I had to watch many photo ops walk by. Pleasant afternoon though.

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Mark Roberts
Tom C wrote: Most of you guys are missing my point, or maybe I'm not acknowledging that I get yours. I'm just trying to say that high ISO quality seems to viewed as a holy grail in digital photography, and my perception, right, wrong, I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Anyone who shoots indoor events, including weddings, can benefit from good high ISO performance. And even family pics and portraits are much nicer in available light. I think high ISO performance is a good plus for most photographers. That being said I'm far less offended by noise and/or

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Bruce. The pop-up flash is sometimes useful. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Pretty good, really. You got a good angle on her and the light seems reasonably tamed. Good shot, there! -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, October 21, 2007, 6:43:19 PM, you wrote:

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Tom C
Mark Roberts wrote: But high ISO performance has become the holy grail for a lot of people who don't really need it. Of course, if it sells cameras then the camera makers have to go for it... That's a big paradigm shift, huh? It used to be the camera body was relatively unrelated to ISO

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Adam Maas
Bill Owens wrote: I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and

RE: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Bill Owens
I think you're exactly right, Tom. Sure there are a few who really need high ISO performance: sports pros often shoot football games with a 600/4 and 2x teleconverter under stadium lighting at night. Closed down 1 f-stop to recover some sharpness, they're at f/11 and shooting fast action.

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Tom C
It seems we may be dancing around the term high ISO. How do you define it? With film I thought 400 was sometimes getting into high ISO territory. With DSLR's I consider high ISO to be 1600 and above. More or less, when I can see image degradation without magnification. Tom C. From: Paul

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Tom C
I agree. For me frame rate is relatively unimportant compared to buffer size and throughput. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next

PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Jack Davis
NEVER, perhaps uniquely with me. Didn't ever care for the 'stark, gritty, under belly of life' genre. S'pose that could make me less than complete. ;) Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who shoots indoor events, including weddings, can benefit from good high ISO

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
It's a little cluttered. frank theriault wrote: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank Ahhh, me namesake beer! Memories! This place in Toronto? keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, me namesake beer! Memories! This place in Toronto? Yeah, a little bar called Magpies at Bathurst and Dundas. BTW, which beer are you referring to, Peculiar? g cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a little cluttered. I kept asking them to clean up a bit so I could take a picture of the pretty girl, but they ignored me... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

RE: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236

2007-10-22 Thread Bob W
Pentax have been making cameras for 56 years; Hoya have been making them for 56 seconds. So Hoya are telling Pentax how to do it right. That figures. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dick graham Sent: 19 October 2007 20:33

Re: Ned Bunnell and Pentax Pro Services announcement

2007-10-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 21, 2007, at 6:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: But does that mean that you gotta be a pro to finally get service, or does it mean more professional service? A Professional Services program generally means a package of equipment loaner/repair/expedited services designed to fit the needs

Re: PDML Digest, Vol 18, Issue 236

2007-10-22 Thread P. J. Alling
Closer to 90 years by the way... Bob W wrote: Pentax have been making cameras for 56 years; Hoya have been making them for 56 seconds. So Hoya are telling Pentax how to do it right. That figures. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/10/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz very nice Frank -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote: On 10/22/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh, me namesake beer! Memories! This place in Toronto? Yeah, a little bar called Magpies at Bathurst and Dundas. BTW, which beer are you referring to, Peculiar? g cheers, frank But of course, Messr!

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
When I work with my Minox subminiature cameras, ISO 100 is high ISO... I have the K10D set to Auto ISO with the range constrained to 100-400 most of the time. Differences in performance are near to invisible in that range. I go to 800, and very rarely to 1600, when I need more sensitivity.

Re: PESO - MIsty Morning

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 6:57:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 10/22/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. ... http://tinyurl.com/34srg3

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 7:48:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-). Grandpa had a senior moment and posted the wrong URL. Here's the sandbox shot. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553835 If I was a

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 11:02:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank = Think it needs a lot more

Re: PESO: Glorious beer

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 9:10:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sunday, October 21, 2007, 4:50:37 AM, you wrote: DC I like this snap, but there were sad consequences after right after this DC shot. Had forgotten to charge the liths before the fest. So with the DC

Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 3:39:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The good feelings are much appreciated. Especially today. Going to be a tough one. Have to get my mother to a doctor. She's just hanging on by a thread. It's hard to watch. A peaceful ending would

Re: OT: Is it just me...

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 7:05:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 22/10/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed: ...or does this character resemble our very own listmeister?: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/scruffy.dhtml = Not

Re: Next move from Pentax: hints about sensor for next camera(s)

2007-10-22 Thread Bob Blakely
If I can't capture a hockey game with players clothed in black and played by candle light, the glass is NOT fast enough and the ISO is NOT high enough! If I can't capture a timber wolf racing through a dense forest by starlight, the glass is NOT fast enough and the ISO is NOT high enough! If I

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread frank theriault
On 10/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think it needs a lot more contrast, frank. Also maybe some lightening of shadows around her face. It's a little too muted down and a little too one tone. Just how conversant are you with PS or something similar, these days? Marnie

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/22/2007 1:44:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a bit muddy. My problem is that I'm doing this stuff on a laptop, and when I move my head a couple of degrees up or down the contrast changes markedly. I never know where the sweet spot is, so

Re: PESO: In the sandbox

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Marnie. She's very nice to the other little girls, so hopefully they won't hate her :-). Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/22/2007 7:48:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Frank. But that's not the pic:-).

Re: PESO - The Barmaid

2007-10-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent shot. Would love to see it with brighter midrange tones. Paul On Oct 22, 2007, at 2:01 PM, frank theriault wrote: I took this a couple of weeks ago, but Derby's Glorious Beer inspired me to post it. http://tinyurl.com/2ncypz Like Derby's just a snap... cheers, frank --

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