Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants (fwd)

M. E. wrote: > 19.3: Other Person, Family, and Corporate Body Associated with a Work > Designator: other (work) > Example: 700 1- Doe, John, $e other (work) > > 21.6: Other Person, Family, and Corporate Body Associated with a Manifestation > Designator: other (manifestation) > > 22.4: Other Person

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Ian Fairclough wrote: > Will they need to know about periods at the end of fields, and ISBD > punctuation? I doubt it. I agree. However, I still mention this to folks since I can't judge who does or who doesn't care about this sort of thing. On the double punctuation point in particular, I add

Re: [RDA-L] Question on 16.2.2.11

Adam posted: >It appears from this information and the instruction in RDA 16.2.2.11 that >the access points for Jersey and Guernsey would be changed to unqualified >places ... I hope well enough will be left alone. Otherwise, the headings look like breeds of cows! If not jurisdictions, they a

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

The wise Deborah said: >I agree with Thomas that the authors of the articles in this compilation >of articles are co-creators ... So for whom would you use $e contributor, or $4 ctb, if not for the writers of portions of a compilation? I fear using $e author or $4 aut will result in the first 7

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

See, that’s where the real fun in “WEMI” really comes in. - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

And for a really complicated situation how about Mahler's Das Lied von der Erde". Mahler used Hans Bethge's poetry anthology "Die chinesische Flöte" which was in turn translated from English and French versions of poems by 2 Tang dynasty poets, Li Bai & Wang Wei. At one time I had tracked down

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

Yes. (Wikipedia to the rescue) - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Cindy Wolff Sent: Friday, March 01,

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

You mean like Beethoven using Schiller's Ode to Joy? Cindy > Bernadette asked: "And if a composer sets a pre-existing poem to music, > what > relator term should the poet get? None of the creator list terms are > available, and 'writer of added lyrics' presumes that the music predates > the

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

I would not be so hasty to fault AACR2 or credit RDA for the insight. Going back to the dictionary, any standard English dictionary, you will likely not find cm in its list of Signs and Symbols, but if you go to Metric system likely you will find Unit: centimeter, Abbreviation: cm. CM without a p

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

That’s essentially right. See the outcomes of the Sept. 2002 meeting of the JSC: http://www.rda-jsc.org/0209out.html The reasoning behind ALA’s proposal was given in: http://downloads.alcts.ala.org/ccda/hostage1.html So ‘cm’ has always been a symbol, it’s just that the Anglo-American world did

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Apparently in AACR2 we have continued considering "cm." as an abbreviation (it's still there in Appendix B). In RDA we consider "cm" as a symbol. I guess the best way to look at it is, "AACR2 wasn't really right about this, but as long as we're using AACR2 let's just keep consistent in being wro

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants--Pre-existing poem

Bernadette asked: "And if a composer sets a pre-existing poem to music, what relator term should the poet get? None of the creator list terms are available, and 'writer of added lyrics' presumes that the music predates the text." No one has replied to this yet, so I'll try to tackle it. Th

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Where I say: "Notice the period at the end of cm.", that's in reference  to the fact that it's not a period at the end of the field, because it continues with the +e. It's cleary an abbreviation. Michele - Original Message - From: "Michele Estep" To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

I think most of us were ignorant about metric symbols before RDA came along. I certainly was. As was AACR2 itself! Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes si

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

I agree with Thomas that the authors of the articles in this compilation of articles are co-creators, as per 19.1.2 That rule tells us "If the resource being described contains two or more works associated with different persons, ... record the persons

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

I will have to confess my ignorance about metric "symbols."  Until I began studying RDA, I thought cm and other "symbols" were abbreviations.  (Am I the only one so ignorant?  If so, I'm embarrassed. ) So I understand what you mean.  cm without a period has nothing to do with RDA. But what abo

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Ian posted: >I am in the process of preparing a workshop >"RDA and the Local Library" ... Below is the letter we plan to send clients after our SLC Directors' meeting March 18 to decide SLC RDA practices. In the "RDA Changes" section you will see what we though were the important changes to ment

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Do not worry about that. I would not ask the question :) Thanks a lot. At least I have some kind of rule :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Kevin M Randall wrote: > Not sure about a "simple rationale". But perhaps a "simple rule of > thumb" would b

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple identities named on same manifestation

Adam, Thanks very much for pointing this out. I thought I'd checked the examples, but I missed that one. I have asked whether this could be clarified somewhat at 6.27.1.7 Deborah - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc. debo...@marcofquality.com www.marcofquality.com -Original Mess

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator between two aggregate works

Yuji posted: >I initially also thought that "contained in (work)" could be used in >this situation. But the more I thought about it, the more confusing it >became ... Our clients have rejected 7XX$i even more strongly than 1XX/7XX $e, perhaps because $i comes at the beginning of the field? Hav

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Also apparently we are using Third edition and not 3rd ed. Ordinal numbers spelled out. (Does that really help anybody?) On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Joan Wang wrote: > Kevin, Thanks for these. These appear in Appendix B. Is there a simple > rationale when use abbreviations and when not? >

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Not sure about a "simple rationale". But perhaps a "simple rule of thumb" would be: 1. For transcribed elements (including words quoted in notes), don't abbreviate what you see on the resource. 2. When recording other elements, generally don't abbreviate, except for the following

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator between two aggregate works

> I suspect that part of the problem here is that we are still hoping that > the level of aggregation-as-work will still be the assumed level that will > be expected to be described for the future. It might, but I think we will > see additional instances where dis-aggregation will be part of the mi

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Kevin, Thanks for these. These appear in Appendix B. Is there a simple rationale when use abbreviations and when not? Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Kevin M Randall wrote: > The lack of abbreviations in RDA has been exaggerated. Abbreviatio

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

The lack of abbreviations in RDA has been exaggerated. Abbreviations for units of measure are used in: Dimensions (B.5.1) Extent of Storage Space (B.5.2) Duration (B.5.3) Additional Scale Information (B.5.7) Right As

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

There is an exception for abbreviation, min. for minutes, while we say that RDA is not use abbreviations any more. We can explain the reason why not use abbreviations. But how can we explain the exception? Let's have fun with RDA :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 1, 2013

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

I think of it as being a standard abbreviation/symbol for a unit of measurement before any cataloguing code got hold of it. The same can’t be said of illustrations/ill. although I’m sure pages/p. can generate lots of debate over the weekend. Tom --- Thomas Meehan Head of Current Cataloguing L

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Hi all. Occasionally I have tried briefly to explain to non-cataloging library colleagues about some of the changes they might be seeing in the catalog.  I mention the no abbreviations rule[s] and go on to say, except for "cm" which is not an abbreviation, but a symbol and does not have a peri

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator between two aggregate works

I don't think there really is an appropriate RDA relationship designator for this kind of relationship--at least not yet. I think this kind of relationship is best taken care of by a simple note, e.g. "Articles originally published in: ..." That could be in a 580, or in 787 with the note in $i

[RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

Dear RDA-L readers,   On January 11th I asked a question (subject: question about dates in 264 fields) about the use of brackets and periods, and received several responses, most memorably from Deborah Fritz (who provided pertinent technical documentation) and Mac Elrod (who among all the responden

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator between two aggregate works

I initially also thought that "contained in (work)" could be used in this situation. But the more I thought about it, the more confusing it became, since it seems that the compilation in question must be a component part of the serial if the RDA relationship designator "contained in (work)" can

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Re: [RDA-L] note order in RDA

Wow! Mark, thank you so so much. Now I understand more. Have a great weekend! Joan Wang On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, M. E. wrote: > I don't see a reply to this post, so I'll give it a go. > > Joan Wang wrote: > > Is there a note order requirement in RDA? > > Nope. At least, not in the mai