Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
I think that wasn't ever a feature simply the way the app reacted / crashed on certain versions and platforms. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Tim wrote: > I have one question.I think it's seams related to t

Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Tim
I have one question.I think it's seams related to the tread. Why we can't save scene after SI crashes anymore?This use to be great future and now is even more important after SI become so unstable.I remember that this was shown as a future on one of the Siggraphs.Avid times I think. We've got us

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread jo benayoun
*"Couple people from PDI were around too saying they were using Soft|3D for a show that would have blown our minds (which ended up becoming shrek)."* >From what I heard, *Antz* has also been done with Softimage by PDI (*Antz*was the first movie of the couple PDI-Dreamworks before *Shrek*) ... jo

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Matt Lind
And Ovaltine was there From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:40 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage development Last part I meant in the con

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
Last part I meant in the context of the original timeline I posted, sorry. Jan '98 and then March '98 in Milan, first at smau and then at the local siggy chapter, MS and Avid had opposing stands and I'm sure Soft was still with MS back then, and DS was being demoed by someone I don't remember, and

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
Last paragraph offsetted by two years.. we were sold to Avid in 1998, and shipped XSI in year 2000. On Apr 18, 2012 5:40 PM, "Raffaele Fragapane" wrote: > Actually I can think of a couple names that drifted in and out that I > recognized across different lists and stuff. > > I think Brent might b

Re: test.

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
Faster rigs can't make your animation better Simon. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Simon Pickard wrote: > Shouldn't you two be making our rigs run faster or something? > > > > On 19 April 2012 10:58, Raffae

Re: test.

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Pickard
Shouldn't you two be making our rigs run faster or something? On 19 April 2012 10:58, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: > He has a coord reading them to him and then writing back. > It's kinda like the field nurses helping the analphabet soldiers write > home during world war one kinda thing. > > > On T

Re: test.

2012-04-18 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
He has a coord reading them to him and then writing back. It's kinda like the field nurses helping the analphabet soldiers write home during world war one kinda thing. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > Didn't know Simon could read let alone email :P > > ---

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
P.S. I see Brent is referring to himself :p I was saying more that at that time it wouldn't have been possible to move to an xsi team, as there wasn't one :p On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Raffaele Fragapane < raffsxsil...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Actually I can think of a couple names that dr

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
Actually I can think of a couple names that drifted in and out that I recognized across different lists and stuff. I think Brent might be kidding there, as 14 years and two months ago Maya was being released for the first time, and only became remotely usable a few months later with 1.0.1 (Q4 98).

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
Just to add, I really appreicate Luc-Eric being active on the list and giving us the low-down even after he's moved on. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Eric Turman wrote: > Its not a well known, popular, or

Re: test.

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
Didn't know Simon could read let alone email :P Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Simon Pickard wrote: > Woohoo! Thanks for the reply. > > > On 19 April 2012 09:22, Jeremie Passerin wrote: > >> >> I think

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Turman
Its not a well known, popular, or even a factual theory. But by some anthropologists' estimation, 2012 is the the year of the underpants ferrets according to the Mayan calendar. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > For goodness sake! NOT THE FERRETS!! > > and erm, yeah what A

Re: test.

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Pickard
Woohoo! Thanks for the reply. On 19 April 2012 09:22, Jeremie Passerin wrote: > > I think you got it working now ! > > > > On 18 April 2012 16:15, Simon Pickard wrote: > >> Come on emails! Work damn it! >> > >

Re: test.

2012-04-18 Thread Jeremie Passerin
I think you got it working now ! On 18 April 2012 16:15, Simon Pickard wrote: > Come on emails! Work damn it! >

test.

2012-04-18 Thread Simon Pickard
Come on emails! Work damn it!

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Thivierge
For goodness sake! NOT THE FERRETS!! and erm, yeah what Alan said. Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Alan Fregtman wrote: > 3) Put ferrets in your underpants. >

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Brent McPherson
Happened once exactly 14 years ago... Who the hell do you think they got to write the Maya interaction mode? ;-) -- Brent From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Xavier Lapointe Sent: 18 April 2012 16:31 To: softimage@listproc.a

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Fabricio Chamon
that's sweet Alan, I'd like to take a look at it. I mean, if you are allowed to and want to share of course..

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Steven Caron
ya, his stuff is very cool. as are paul's on vimeo adding depth of field to his ice raytracer. sorry for the OT On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Stefan Andersson wrote: > I know it's not the same, still cool though > > http://mattebb.com/weblog/vop-pathtracer-bsdfs/ > > > > On Apr 18, 2012, at 2

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Steven Caron
i have no need for it this second but it would be nice to have. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Alan Fregtman wrote: > You guys would like that? > > I have a working prototype od > At an old studio I worked at I made them a Maya version which took PSDs, > extracted all layers as PNGs with alph

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Stefan Andersson
I know it's not the same, still cool though http://mattebb.com/weblog/vop-pathtracer-bsdfs/ On Apr 18, 2012, at 21:05, Steven Caron wrote: http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini12.0/nodes/sop/trace On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Rob Chapman wrote: > oh havn't seen that one or any cool examp

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Rob Chapman
yeah just watching this http://www.digitaltutors.com/11/training.php?vid=1022&autoplay=1 which in essence is really just adobe illustrators trace bitmap, which is what - a 1988 feature? pretty much all vector line based apps have this since the beginning so Im called 'meh' on this one :) On 18 A

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Alan Fregtman
You guys would like that? I have a working prototype of a non-ICE Python tool that leverages http://potrace.sourceforge.net/ to trace images into XSI as normal curves. I wanted to release it but I didn't think many people would care or find it interesting/useful. At an old studio I worked at

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Steven Caron
http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini12.0/nodes/sop/trace On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Rob Chapman wrote: > oh havn't seen that one or any cool examples of this 'trace' node. and > which one.. the path tracer, ray tracer or the image tracer?? :) > > for a simplified image trace to 3D geom we

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Rob Chapman
oh havn't seen that one or any cool examples of this 'trace' node. and which one.. the path tracer, ray tracer or the image tracer?? :) for a simplified image trace to 3D geom we can read in image or texturemap data, turn that into particles, (with pixel particles) in ICE do analysis on color /

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Alan Fregtman
3) Put ferrets in your underpants. I will do 2) though sometimes I feel like I doing 3) when depressing doomsday threads like this start and people ramble about the /softipocalypse/. (It's not the subject at hand that depresses me as I believe Soft is still going strong among those that use it

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Steven Caron
ya, i like that trace node. i am not quite smart enough to make one of my own On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Fabricio Chamon wrote: > +1... trying to push a L-System solver a la Houdini into ice > what about the tracer node? man, I want it so bad in soft... >

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Fabricio Chamon
+1... trying to push a L-System solver a la Houdini into ice what about the tracer node? man, I want it so bad in soft...

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Xavier Lapointe
I thought it was more incriminating for me than you, hehe. Kinda double-edged sword. I value experiences a lot, and having that insight from you is really appreciated. Cheers 2012/4/18 Brent McPherson > Thanks for making me feel old. :-( > > I loved the time I spend designing and working on Ma

Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Ben Beckett
Hi I had similar problems and they we solve through switching off, under Pref data management, Detect corrupted meshes. Thanks Ben On 18 April 2012 15:28, Tim Crowson wrote: > So... I renamed my User directory. Soft created a new one of course. The > first thing I did was start adding some of

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Bradley Gabe
Interesting point. It was, ironically, the influence of the Microsoft acquisition on XSI's development that moved it away from proprietary platform and into the mode of an OTS application. Softimage | 3D was the opposite extreme, being very open, and the first generation of proprietary tools at IL

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread adrian wyer
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Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Xavier Lapointe
hmm, 14 years ago I was still in elementary school. Aouch. Thanks for the historical lesson (;

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Xavier Lapointe
> > I would love hearing about maya devs who switched to the xsi team ! Not sure that ever happened ... (unless that was sarcasm) 2012/4/18 jo benayoun > Really excited to hearing that people are moving between teams internally. > People who do softwares are devs and thinking the guys who help

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread jo benayoun
Really excited to hearing that people are moving between teams internally. People who do softwares are devs and thinking the guys who helped to create the amazing experience which is softimage will work on maya is a hope for the maya's user experience and future. I would love hearing about maya dev

Re: Softimage2013 "selection" issues

2012-04-18 Thread Stefan Andersson
nope, those are off. Switched off the SI|3D selection a few years back been slippery every since. I can't really repo the stuff, and I'm back into 2012.SAP to finish off the project. So I'll do another check in August ;) regards stefan On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Gareth Bell < gareth.b

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Scott Lange
Great points, I do so appreciate it. Scott Lange From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:41 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage developmen

RE: Softimage2013 "selection" issues

2012-04-18 Thread Gareth Bell
Do you have "Extended Component Selection" or "SI|3D Selection Model" on? I remember some combination of these has caused that to occur in previous versions From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Be

RE: Softimage2013 "selection" issues

2012-04-18 Thread Manny Papamanos
It doesn’t feel different. If particle’s points are closer at the area where rays are cast, it will select the point cloud. Perhaps you were using “select single object in region” before. Manny Softimage and Mobu support Specialist From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimag

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Christoph Muetze
haha, too cheesy? ;) That phrase can easily be transferred to this """ *I've yet to come across something as zen-like and fast as the modelling workflow in [ software ] - somewhat amazing if you consider that the modelling tools in [ software ] haven't changed that much in the past [ number ]

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Chris Marshall
amen! On 18 April 2012 15:37, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Mirko Jankovic > wrote: > > It is a bit bad that even after so many concerns displayed from customer > > about Softimage and AD's plans for it, that not a single official line of > > word was put out. > >

Softimage2013 "selection" issues

2012-04-18 Thread Stefan Andersson
I've been using 2013 now for a few days. And while it doesn't crash that much for me, I get a lot of issues with selections and selection prioritys. Somehow it seems to always select my pointclouds and not my gemoetry first. And the selection is sticking... so I end up all the time with having mult

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > It is a bit bad that even after so many concerns displayed from customer > about Softimage and AD's plans for it, that not a single official line of > word was put out. > Is it so hard to let people know what is going on and where does it al

Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Tim Crowson
So... I renamed my User directory. Soft created a new one of course. The first thing I did was start adding some of my projects back in the Project Manager. I added 5 projects, and as I set my Default project, Softimage froze and required me to kill it. I'll get familiar with Process Monitor a

RE: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Stephen Blair
You can rename it back after you do some testing... From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crowson Sent: April-18-12 10:20 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...) Thanks

Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Tim Crowson
Thanks, I'll try renaming my User folder. I have already stripped out unnecesary plugins, but there are a few that I still need to use that must be kept locally to my User directory. I'll see what renaming does. -Tim On 4/18/2012 6:14 AM, Stephen Blair wrote: Hi Support hasn't seen any tren

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Stefan Andersson
That phrase can easily be transferred to this """ *I've yet to come across something as zen-like and fast as the modelling workflow in [ software ] - somewhat amazing if you consider that the modelling tools in [ software ] haven't changed that much in the past [ number ] years..* """ for your c

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Eugen Sares
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:56:12 +0200, Christoph Muetze wrote: here is my perspectice: ..no matter what happenes with softimage in the future, i will continue using it for as long as it can be started... i've yet to come across something as zen-like and fast as the modelling workflow in x

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Christoph Muetze
here is my perspectice: ..no matter what happenes with softimage in the future, i will continue using it for as long as it can be started... i've yet to come across something as zen-like and fast as the modelling workflow in xsi - somewhat amazing if you consider that the modelling tools in

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Thomas Helzle
Well, security is an illusion anyway, no matter what Chinny is saying or others are fantasizing. If Autodesk one day decides that XSI is out, it will be out and you'll get it as a subscription benefit with your cereals... ;-) http://illicoweb.videotron.com/illicoweb/commandites/115764/Mr.-Ramesh-1

Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Rob Wuijster
the lume shader toolbar.. that one would be mine.;-) and indeed, never updated after the initial release for XSI 5. I wonder if there are still people using it, after the lume shaders became part of the install. And I do recall some workgroup issues surrounding older toolbars around v7, so Lu

Re: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
I once investigated a problem where an old addon was corrupting the xml parser's memory, and then the app would crash sometime later when the xml parser is used again, for example when opening a view. I cannot recall in which version I made a change to the xml parser to mitigate this problem. I se

RE: 2012 SAP stability (or... not so much...)

2012-04-18 Thread Stephen Blair
Hi Support hasn't seen any trend in "general instability" cases for 2012.SAP. I would suspect something specific to your situation. That post is more about a startup crash. Here's an intro to Process Monitor: http://xsisupport.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/process-monitor-101/ You can try running Pr

Re: 2013 save scene = no load in 2012?

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Turman
Understood, hence the "not trivial" aspect of the issue. The big time that we would use it is as we are transitioning to a new version. We test it as thoroughly as possible and keep an eye out on the list for other people running into problems, but once we switch there is obviously no going back. T

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Chris Marshall
There hasn't been any official word on the guys that have moved sideways over to the Maya team, but to be fair, Chinny has in the past piped up and said that the future of Soft is secure. Everything else that's been discussed in this thread is pure speculation. On 18 April 2012 11:26, Mirko Jank

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Sebastian Kowalski
you arent alone, struggling with houdini myself right now. finding myself getting back to soft all the time. . . . Am 18/04/2012 11:51, schrieb Rob Chapman: In the short term though houdini/xsi corrdination should be workable, thats kind of the standard scenario for Houdini after

Imagemetrics Faceware - for softimage

2012-04-18 Thread Daniel Sweeney
Hey list. Has anyone tried out Faceware from image metrics for softimage. Looks pretty cool from what iv seen. http://www.image-metrics.com/Faceware-Software/Overview Any thoughts from someone who has used it? cheers Daniel Sweeney 3D Generalist *Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771 *Email:* danielbs

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Mirko Jankovic
It is a bit bad that even after so many concerns displayed from customer about Softimage and AD's plans for it, that not a single official line of word was put out. Is it so hard to let people know what is going on and where does it all lead? For someone that is just starting, choosing a software i

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Graham Bell
People should really move on from the ‘Softimage on the main Autodesk webpage’ and it shouldn’t be used a barometer for how Autodesk treat Softimage as a product. Frankly it’s unlikely that Softimage will ever make the front page of the main website, not when you consider how much of Autodesk’s

Re: Houdini interop

2012-04-18 Thread Rob Chapman
> > In the short term though houdini/xsi corrdination should be workable, > thats kind of the standard scenario for Houdini after all, where it is used > in conjunction with other software... definitely take a close look at > Alembic which seems fantastic, too. And please let us know what you > dis

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Szabolcs Matefy
Huh, bunch of stuff to read… Sad thing, that these two guys leave Softimage ship for Maya. That might give a hint on the future as well. From my point of view, Softimage is just alive because of ICE…If you see the features no serious development made on SI just on ICE (or things related to I

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Michal Doniec
I am really trying to stick to 2 personally, but it's not easy due to not knowing what Autodesk plans are except knowing for sure that they are really persistent in their attempts of selling their other 3D applications to even long time Softimage users, despite other applications not bringing anyth

RE: 2013 save scene = no load in 2012?

2012-04-18 Thread Brent McPherson
Ok, I was mainly talking about forward compatibility but even writing a previous version of a file format out requires: 1) you know automatically what is changing between versions 2) you know how to identify and gracefully omit objects, operators, connections and data that will not be recognize

RE: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Sandy Sutherland
Cough .. here's a soft TD looking for a home.. _ Sandy Sutherland Technical Supervisor sandy.sutherl...@triggerfish.co.za _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.co

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread Hilary Macdonald
Ours is a short form team, so we don't often get involved with the film side of the business here as we're stacked out on comms. There's open dialogue between the teams though and work is pipelined from both sides were possible. We have both Soft and Maya guys in the team I work with, it's a pro

Re: Softimage development

2012-04-18 Thread peter_b
Sort of the same here - As an individual I’d rather put my energy in improving my own skills, rather than adding one more software to the list, that I will know only superficially. There’s plenty left for me to learn, artistically and technically, and I can do this in Softimage, ICE has widened

Re: ICE - Offset node-animation per particle

2012-04-18 Thread Thomas Volkmann
Hej Chris, how is the weather in HH? ( The webcam on http://hamburger-rathausmarkt.de/ is down for some weeks now, and I was always enjoying Hamburg's grey sky while sitting in sunny (believe it or not!) Sweden) Without having given further thought about it: Ho

Re: ICE - Offset node-animation per particle

2012-04-18 Thread Christian Keller
Hey Thomas ! I always put that stuff in arrays. There are many ways to achieve that. And then it's nice to shift and interpolate Greetings from HH Chris -- christian keller visual effects|direction m +49 179 69 36 248 f +49 40 386 835 33 chris3...@me.com gesendet von meinem iDing Am 1