I used coal. real coal and crush it up and put it in the flue with a
brass chute I made. I use a piece of brass rod to push it next to the
top of the burner. It works good I dunno maybe the tire thing is better.
But the smell of the coal is great.
Walt Swartz wrote:
If you could find tires made
e hot due to lowered air feed.
Steaming & Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
Clark Lord wrote:
"Vance and all:
I built my Steamlines Shay from a kit that I bought from Al Cramer
durin
If you could find tires made of natural rubber (smoke sheet) rather than
synthetic rubber, it would probably smell pretty good. Once had a job
cutting 3' x 3' x 3' bales of smokesheet into pieces that could be fed into
the 'banbury' mixers to make tire rubber and calendared stock for the plies.
Pla
Lionel, now owner of American Flyer, uses fluid for smoke generation. Some
pellets are available at train show/sales, but are usually priced as
collectors items. I wonder how long it will be till our Ga 1 items are as
collectable as Lionel. Now the Lionel boxes are often more valuable than the
item
Vance Bass wrote:
The Steamlines Shay delivers a huge plume.
I'd like a refresher on how the Steamlines smoke generator works, too.
Vance and all:
I built my Steamlines Shay from a kit that I bought from Al Cramer
during the 1991 Queen Mary Show in Long Beach CA. I had seen a
Steamlines
At 9:45 AM -0500 5/14/04, Arthur S. Cohen wrote:
I read with great interest your idea of using tires to make smoke. My
question is: does it make any difference in what brand tire I use and is the
tire's size important?
nah, that's too caustic ... aren't those little pellets that lionel
and americ
Dear Gary,
I read with great interest your idea of using tires to make smoke. My
question is: does it make any difference in what brand tire I use and is the
tire's size important?
Arthur--Mexico City
Re:
Subject: Steamlines Shay smoke generator
Cut small pieces of tire and burn them i
t the stack. The super heater is supposed to cook the oiled steam making a
darker exhaust. Experience with the Steamlines Shay system led to practical
problems. The fire would go out every time pressure was starting to rise.
Reason: The super heater tube burned through after a maximum of five firings
a
I have re-built a totaled Steamlines Shay.
The design is flawed seriously in my mind, at least the "smoking version".
I would suggest not having the super heater installed above the burner. In
fact, leave the super heater out. It super heats exhaust in order to produce
darker stea
gt;
> It seems I fell off the list when my ISP changed the domain name in my
> e-mail address several weeks ago. I'm back, and bringing with me what has
> to be one of the real cherries of the list! Yes, you saw the subject line
> - once more we'll dissect the Steamli
2/02 -0500, you wrote:
Gentlebeings,
It seems I fell off the list when my ISP changed the domain name in my
e-mail address several weeks ago. I'm back, and bringing with me what has
to be one of the real cherries of the list! Yes, you saw the subject line
- once more we'll dissect the S
Gentlebeings,
It seems I fell off the list when my ISP changed the domain name in my
e-mail address several weeks ago. I'm back, and bringing with me what has
to be one of the real cherries of the list! Yes, you saw the subject line
- once more we'll dissect the Steamlines Shay. A
/02 -0700, you wrote:
>++<< Large CUT >>
>PS - I am very excited about the Steamlines Shay! I finally have it running
>well. The radiant burner is going great. The tendency to loose steam
>pressure while operating was solved in an unexpected way. The fir
n. I found the Online
McAfee version a bit cumbersome to use.
Usual disclaimers...
~Gary - Eugene, Oregon
PS - I am very excited about the Steamlines Shay! I finally have it running
well. The radiant burner is going great. The tendency to loose steam
pressure while operating was solved in an unex
user/raltzenthor
>
>~Gary - enjoying gorgeous weather in Eugene, OregonLoved skiing
>yesterday!
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Gary Broeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent
I have tried having the shay putt putt around with the cylinders poping due
to back pressure but the steam pressure still drops faster than is optimal.
I may need to readjust the motor some more.
It is an accomplishment just getting this loco to navigate under it's own
power and stay on the rails.
Yup, the trestle kinda shrinks all trains. Trains look very tiny on this
trestle if one tries to photograph most of the trestle.
Haven't been skiing it two years, ever since I hurt my feet. Turns out the
ski boots protect the feet. Sure was encouraging to see even 70 year olds
skiing! I started sk
Thanks Gary,
Of course no evidence of that speeding, as the pics are frozen in time!
Doesn't that trestle improve the looks of the Shay, too!
How can you find time to ski? That's cheatin', dontya know?! You could
have been suping up the Shay burner!
Geoff.
>Success! The shay now rips around
> Success! The shay now rips around my oval at top speed without leaving the
> rails. This is important since some 70 feet of rail is above ground at high
> as 8 feet! I even had the engine push three logging at top speed without
> mishap!
> I get about two laps (each is about 160 feet) before st
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Steamlines Shay
> Gary,
>
> You are correct about the "smoke unit after-burner" which was indeed part
of
> Cooper's "smoke system" and not a real super heater. I installed a co
Gary,
You are correct about the "smoke unit after-burner" which was indeed part of
Cooper's "smoke system" and not a real super heater. I installed a correct
super heater with stainless steel tube in-and-out of the flue and back to
the Osmotor.
The spring pressure is very important but a surpris
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Steamlines Shay
> Regarding the Steamlines Shay with the famed "Osmotor". I bought one of
the
> early Shay kits in 1991.
Regarding the Steamlines Shay with the famed "Osmotor". I bought one of the
early Shay kits in 1991. I found that to get "ok" slow speed running the
"break in" period was long. For the best running I did a lot of tweaking to
the springs that provide pressure
If you can find an old adding machine, they have a lot of small high quality
gears in them. I'm not sure if the ratios would be good, but.
Phil. P.
> > > where to get appropriate gears?
> >
>
Just wanted to mention initial runs on air required 40 PSI to make it run.
Once it was able to run on 5 PSI on air, it managed to run on steam at 30+
PSI. After lapping the surfaces it starts to move between 10-12 PSI.
Pressure tends to drop below 25 PSI while running. No problem on flat ground
wi
Thank you for such precise information Gordon.
David Bailey trucks...who carries them?
I did also lap some of the Osimotor mating surfaces on plate glass.
Because the valve plate (correct term?) in between the two pistons has a
circular surface I had no idea how to lap it on plate glass. Therefor
Jim,
In this case, I am the undocumented (until now) blind man.
While the gears are both small, the wheel axle gear is larger than the drive
line gear.
There is a little room for a slightly larger gear on the axle, but if the
drive line gear is smaller both gears would still have to be the same
he
Gary wrote:
>
>
> Twice I opened the motor up so I could add a bit of smooth valve grinding
> compound to the valve center plate and ran for 1 minute on air before
> cleaning up the engine and reassembling.
>
You can also use toothpaste - it works great as a mild abrasive. Back
when I was tryi
Gary
I dredged this up from my archives while looking for something else - it
might help!
I got the Tamiya catalogue today.
The following part numbers may be useful/
50602 Differential Bevel Gear Set Consists of 3 small bevel gears, 2 larger
ones, a spider and a couple of Washers. Price here $
Gary
The truck gears in mine are approximately 2:1 - undocumented changes were a
Tom Cooper speciality!
Jim Gregg.
At 08:31 PM 2/12/02 -0800, you wrote:
>I overcame the breakin problem with the following:
>
>Ran on air in 20 - 45 minute runs for about 8 hours before I could get a 2
>minute ste
Gary,
You can buy 3:1 gears in brass from Chicago Gears
they are for 1/8 inch shafts and beatifully made, 10ba grub screws cab be
used in the pinion and 6ba in the crown wheel..If I can make a suggestion,
the mating surfaces off the Osmotor are best lapped on 1000 grade wet and
dry,using a
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Steamlines Shay
> > where to get appropriate gears?
>
> Someone suggested gears for the R/C racing hobby. That's where I'd start.
(Actually, I'd start in my own parts
> box, but I have been h
> where to get appropriate gears?
Someone suggested gears for the R/C racing hobby. That's where I'd start. (Actually,
I'd start in my own parts
box, but I have been hoarding stuff like that since I was about 8 -- it's genetic, I
understand.)
-vance-
I overcame the breakin problem with the following:
Ran on air in 20 - 45 minute runs for about 8 hours before I could get a 2
minute steam run with lots of leaks in the osimotor.
I loosened all the osimotor nut bolt assembly so I could get everything
aligned for smoother running.
Twice I opened
> It is hard to make this shay meander isn't it?
If you're having to fiddle with the trucks anyway, why not change the gearing?
regards,
-vance-
Vance Bass
Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Hi Gary.
Yes they are a bit messy .
The good news is that the control problem should get better.
The engiine unit on these things is one of Tom Coopers "Osmotors" These
are a very clever little device with all sorts of potential in both rod
locomotives and the likes of the Shay. They were r
your shay tend to spray more steam oil and water than most steam
engines? The amount of mess seems similar to a stationary Wilesco steam
single piston unit I bought at a garage sale for $15.00.
~Gary - Eugene, Oregon
> Hi Gary.
>
> The Steamlines Shay does NOT creep - by Shay standards it&#
Hi Gary.
The Steamlines Shay does NOT creep - by Shay standards it's a "Ton up and
nothing on the clock " job - it can and often does run several times
faster than a Shay should.
Jim Gregg.
At 11:08 AM 2/12/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Jim Gregg,
>Wow, I had no idea about
down trees and fiddling with the Steamlines Shay in
Eugene, Oregon
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:59 AM
Subject: Re:
annel irons crack in multiple places. Rather common.
The hair clip and gravity keeps the whole mess together.
J.R.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:31 AM
Subject
Hi Gary
You really surprise me with the comment below re spot welded gears! Mine
are "Muck Metal" - (Mazak or some sort of Aluminium based diecast alloy),
and the whole lot would melt if one tried the spot weld trick I think.
The gears a on mine (originals) are from the differential of a Ta
Thanks Jim!
I read your note after dissasembling both trucks. One axle did have a loose
crown/drive gear.
The side frames were out of alignment badly! The side frames were pretty
bent up, which caused binding.
I have straightened the frames, aligned the axles and squared up the wheels
so all rest
wheels set centrally and in line with each other?
Jim Gregg.
At 05:44 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote:
>Anyone familiar with a Steamlines Shay?
>It is wanting to leave the rails a lot. Wheel guage is perfect. ISide frames
>were bent, so I straightened them, which reduced resistance significan
Charles
>
> From: "Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> > Anyone familiar with a Steamlines Shay?
> > It is wanting to leave the rails a lot. Wheel guage is perfect. ISide
> frames
> > were bent, so I straightened them, which reduced resistance
significan
]>
> Anyone familiar with a Steamlines Shay?
> It is wanting to leave the rails a lot. Wheel guage is perfect. ISide
frames
> were bent, so I straightened them, which reduced resistance significantly.
I
> am not sure what is causing the trucks to crab then crawl over the rail
> h
Anyone familiar with a Steamlines Shay?
It is wanting to leave the rails a lot. Wheel guage is perfect. ISide frames
were bent, so I straightened them, which reduced resistance significantly. I
am not sure what is causing the trucks to crab then crawl over the rail
head. The wheel profile has
In a message dated 00-02-29 07:30:35 EST, you write:
<< osimotor assembly >>
Would someone define this "osimotor assembly" please!!
Lloyd
Congratulations! I hope you get a lot of pleasure out of running your
rebuilt Shay.With all the work you did, you deserve it.
Phil.P. Reading,Pa.
> I am happy to report I finally got the Steamlines Shay to steam up and run
out full
> fuel tanks of IsoButane!
> All I had to do
I am happy to report I finally got the Steamlines Shay to steam up and run out full
fuel tanks of IsoButane!
All I had to do to get it to run well is:
Lap the valves
Make a new gasket to seal the throttle to the valve head
Reroute the blast tube to the outside of the boiler instead of
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