2009/10/23 mle :
> Hi Folks -
>
> on a recent survey, I mapped some roads with modern km markers by the
> side of the road. How should these be mapped - As a node within the
> highway, or a separate single node to the side of the highway. And how
> to tag these ?
Wouldn't it be better to make a
2009/10/24 Erik Johansson :
> I have this problem for the Swedish country side. we have so much land
> and so little mapped things that the UK created mapnik rules used for
> Europe are no good.
Other examples of this are highway sheilds in dense areas v sparsely
populated areas.
2009/10/29 Kenneth Gonsalves :
> look, a few days back someone (I think it was Richard Fairhurst) started a
> campaign asking google to allow us to trace their imagery. A lot of us signed
> up. The answer was a flat 'no'. So there is nothing ambigous about it. Yahoo!
> has said 'yes', google has sa
2009/10/30 Stefan de Konink :
> At the GSoC there was a clear opening. Will pursue this when I'll feel
> better.
It seems to me that Google prefers it a bit grey when it comes to
their suppliers, so I'm not sure you'll end up with a better answer
than Ed has already given.
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2009/10/30 Stefan de Konink :
> The talk with Leslie was pretty clear; state a well founded business case
> why OSM exchange would be good for Google and there is an opening. Google
> seems to be about talking the truth externally but usually not more than
> you already know. (Which is probably ver
2009/11/1 Pieren :
> I don't like this thread because it could leave the impression that
> tracing on orthophotos is not a copyright infringement. Unfortunately,
> it is. People are mixing factual data visible on a picture like "the
Actually it doesn't have anything to do with copyright because yo
2009/11/1 Anthony :
> If you're tracing roads, you're copying the shape of the roads.
> You're certainly copying *something*, but that something is probably
> not copyrighted (and almost certainly not copyrighted by the person
> who took the picture). The copyright on the shape and location of the
2009/11/2 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> in some regions/countries like the EU there is also a database protection
> and those aerial images are / might be considered a database.
Then all photos are databases...
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2009/11/2 Jukka Rahkonen :
> different contracts. Yahoo obviously paying more because of more open licence
Yahoo also seems to have "new" data that's 3 years old, so they may
get it for the same price (or cheaper), but have more rights to derive
data from it?
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2009/11/2 Jukka Rahkonen :
> John Smith gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> 2009/11/2 Martin Koppenhoefer gmail.com>:
>> > in some regions/countries like the EU there is also a database protection
>> > and those aerial images are / might be considered a dat
2009/11/2 Anthony :
> Yeah well, maybe in the US. In France you can copyright a building
> and anyone who takes a picture of the building and uses it for
> commercial purposes without permission is committing copyright
> infringement. Maybe they'd be willing to extend that to roads, at
> least in
2009/11/2 Shalabh :
> I will leave this open to discussion but I thought it better to bring this
> to everybody's notice, so JOSM can be made more user friendly.
You can already convert a GPX layer to a OSM layer and then upload the
results, just right click on the layer, however it can be very te
2009/11/2 Dan Homerick :
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith
> wrote:
>>
>> You can already convert a GPX layer to a OSM layer and then upload the
>> results, just right click on the layer, however it can be very tedious
>> to remove points if they are on
2009/11/3 Michael Barabanov :
> Also, a free-hand drawing mode (e.g. press-down left mouse button and
> drag) in JOSM would go a long way towards faster tracing. Clicking to
> add one point at a time is pretty slow.
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2009/11/3 Anthony :
> No. I was going to say "not unless OSM abandons CC-BY-SA in favor of
> public domain", but that's not going to ever happen either, so no.
Google has no problem with saying where the data comes from, they
already do this by commercial companies.
This isn't the same thing as
2009/11/3 Anthony :
> True. I should have said "a non-copyleft license" rather than "public
> domain". CC-BY would probably be easier to implement than public
> domain, actually.
Actually that's a good point, with CC-BY-SA it's obvious where it came
from, public domain can take a lot of effort t
2009/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>
> 2009/11/3 John Smith
>>
>> 2009/11/3 Michael Barabanov :
>> > Also, a free-hand drawing mode (e.g. press-down left mouse button and
>> > drag) in JOSM would go a long way towards faster tracing. Clicking to
>
2009/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>
> 2009/11/3 John Smith
>>
>> Gimp lets you plot freehand or if you hold shift will do a straight
>> line, I'm sure there is a number of modifiers that would make a free
>> hand mode useful...
>
> Gimp is a bitmap-
It doesn't look like CC-BY-SA is a limiting factor to google:
http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/10/google_australia/
"This is just one of the new data sets that Google Australia is
planning to incorporate into its Google Maps platform, courtesy of a
major "open access"
2009/11/13 Anthony :
> I realize the toilet map is serious, but I was more interested in
> whether or not Google is in fact using the data under CC-BY-SA, and if
> so for what.
At a guess they'd only be copying the data, not improving upon it so
they can just say there is nothing to share, basical
2009/11/13 Anthony :
> Just copying it to their data center so it can sit on the hard drive
> doing nothing? I'm mainly interested in whether or not their lawyers
> think they can do a mashup using CC-BY-SA data plus say proprietary
> aerial imagery, without releasing the aerial imagery under CC-B
2009/11/13 Anthony :
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> That might be the case if the data is a single image, but if there is
>> a base layer plus a data layer then what?
>
> Ultimately it is made into a single image before it is displayed on
> the
2009/11/13 Peter Childs :
> The is_in tag is not a lot of use either due to it being inconsistent.
I thought is_in is depreciated and replaced by polygons?
> While I don't think this list would be worth piping back in to the
> database, it might be useful for knowing what were missing.
I can
2009/11/13 Andrew Errington :
> You could calculate node density (nodes/km2) and assume that node density
> will decay from the centre of a town to the edge. This would work for the
> nodes in ways, since 'in town' will have more streets than 'out of town'.
> A rural area with winding roads might
2009/11/13 Peter Childs :
> My first though was for an generated list rather than entered
> boarders, however thinking again this might need some human
> intervention to work properly.
Boundaries are just as much arbitary as they are geographically based etc
> I'm not trying to reflect local gove
2009/11/13 Peter Childs :
> I like it, but I wonder whether the place=city should be on the way
> rather than on some miscellaneous node. I'm not sure I like the bodge
> that is admin_level's I had always thought of them as government
> administration borders.
It's also tagged as landuse=resi
2009/11/14 Kenneth Gonsalves :
> hi,
>
> I want to use osmosis to download and extract from the planet. I tried giving
> the web address of the planet latest file, but get an error saying
> 'http:/openstre../planet_latest.. not found'. Note that the error gives the
> address as http:/ with only on
2009/11/18 Emilie Laffray :
>
>
> 2009/11/18 Liz
>>
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Peter Childs wrote:
>> > What I would like to do is write a script that takes the planet and
>> > gives a list of the places (towns, villages etc) and a polygon/area
>> > for each place.
>> Please leave australia out of yo
2009/11/20 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason :
> Who's up for a virtual mapping party with this amazing imagery:
Currently we're trying to completely map out Carnarvon, which is a
small town about 1000km from the nearest city.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.8724&lon=113.6885&zoom=13&layers=B000FTF
2009/11/20 Jean-Marc Liotier :
> The command line I am using for the plugin is
> 'gnome-web-photo --mode=photo --format=ppm "{0}" /dev/stdout | pnmcrop
> -white | pnmtopng'
I had no luck with gnome-web-photo on ubuntu at all, just get and
compile webkit-image, it's fairly trivial to do and works a
Was there some sort of consensus on how to tag these at all?
Even though I don't think they should be automatically guessed at, and
even though there is boundaries for most places in Australia, some
times the towns out grow the boundaries and it'd be useful to tag
these exceptions.
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2009/11/21 Peter Childs :
> If we had an application, that could read osm and render on the fly we
> could have any zoom level we like, including zoom levels between zoom
> levels, (ie vector graphics)
>
> In theory Potlatch already does some of this, buts it written to enter
> data not render the
2009/11/21 Peter Childs :
> But most people have more CPU than they really know what to do with
> these days.
Actually it's going the other way, mobile phones and netbooks are
becoming the most common internet connected devices.
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2009/11/23 Sam Vekemans :
> Hi everyone,
> What do you think of the idea to convert the shp files to OSM, then to
> GPX and upload it that way?
I don't think this would be a good idea, they aren't GPS traces, it
would also remove or make more difficult if things need to be
attributed to know what
2009/11/23 Jean-Marc Liotier :
> So is anyone aware of automated tracing techniques that Google might be
> using ? Is automated tracing from legally available imagery something
I was under the impression that google used their mapmaker technology
and had employees, and since releasing it to the pu
2009/11/24 Valent Turkovic :
> - onboard GPS precision
The iPhone has a poor GPS chip from what I've read.
> - a bit bigger and heavier than iPhone
There is more than one phone that runs Android, some are very similar
in weight/size to the iPhone, also some have a physical keypad which
is much m
2009/11/24 andrzej zaborowski :
> If anyone has experience with any of the two and additionally the Palm
> Pre, I'd love to see a comparison too, and especially if there are any
> OSM related apps. My experience with Pre so far:
Is there a GSM version of the Pre yet?
2009/11/24 Anthony :
> Nevermind. That's about half an inch, and it doesn't seem to be less
> than a pixel (at my latitude/longitude, anyway). For some reason last
> time i calculated it I thought it was more.
You should use metric it's easier since metric distances were based on
a rough approxi
2009/11/24 Frederik Ramm :
> Maybe "~= 100km", but "== 60 nm". One nautical mile is exactly one minute of
Because they estimated the circumference to 36,000km, but it's over 40,000km
> arc. Say again which system was naturally suited for all things geo?
1 nautical mile is exactly 1852m
Actual c
2009/11/24 John Smith :
> 1 nautical mile is exactly 1852m
Sorry, it was set to 1853m.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile
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2009/11/25 Woll :
> 3) Battery life
> Not long enough for day trips. The battery runs out in a few hours, even
> with ordinary usage of the iPhone, so on a day trip with a 2 hour car drive
> you can't map both the outward and inward journeys.
Here's an iPhone negaitve I didn't see mentioned before
2009/11/25 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason :
> Sorry for the confusion. I mixed up 2510 (a random recent commit) and
> 2255 (7 weeks old) in my browser and thought that the current JOSM
> tested had just been released based on 2510. Obviously it's not *that*
> big a deal if it has been out in JOSM tested a
2009/11/26 andrzej zaborowski :
> I assume layer is 0 if I don't add the layer tag.
Yes, which is usually anything at ground level.
> Hopefully this is the correct thing to assume because otherwise things
> will break if I have a bridge with no layer tag and a another bridge
No they won't break,
I've been seeing this thread develop, and apart from trying to use
areas and relations in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways wouldn't
it be simpler from a logical point of view to treat ways as a grouping
of lanes and those lanes can be assigned tags that differ from the
ways, such as directions
2009/11/28 Roy Wallace :
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 5:47 AM, John Smith wrote:
>>
>> I've been seeing this thread develop, and apart from trying to use
>> areas and relations in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways wouldn't
>> it be simpler from a logical poin
Why do you insist on limiting everything to just areas, the problem is
micro mapping, areas is one solution to it, but not the only solution.
If you want to have a discussion that's fine but you are merely
dismissing other view points because the problem has been too narrowly
defined to even bothe
2009/11/28 Konrad Skeri :
> They could be put as fee=prepaid/metered/unmetered
> Perhaps not optimal, but not entierly wrong.
metering=prepaid/metered/unmetered
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A thought occurred to me, that people are only planning to use areas
because editors don't easily allow for widths to be entered
graphically.
I wonder how much work it would be if you could draw the way and then
stretch it sideways to fill out the extact area you wanted covered and
then the editor
2009/12/2 Steve Bennett :
>
> IMHO, the US English/Australian English issue here is spurious. Australians
> certainly understand and use the word "ford" to mean a low water crossing.
I disagree, I've only ever heard them refered to as causeways and
fords up until I started mapping was a make of ca
2009/12/3 Steve Bennett :
> I find the current practice of duplicating minor roads when there is a
> median strip pretty unsatisfactory. Even disregarding the effort, the
> end result never renders well: usually the street name is written
> twice, the one-way arrows get messy etc.
That's a problem
2009/12/3 Richard Mann :
> Unless you want to write routines for pre-processing two almost-parallel
> ways back into a single way so it can be rendered neatly, I suggest it's a
> mapping problem. Don't make work for other people if you don't have to.
I thought we were trying to map the world in as
2009/12/4 :
> These marks are part tourist attraction, part survey control. Most are
> located where a car with an in-built GPS can drive right up to it, so
> the driver can check the accuracy of their GPS signal.
The Gympie co-ords are wonky to say the least, it puts the marker near
Kilcoy/Summe
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett :
> Again, this proposal is not primarily about rendering. That's a nice benefit
> in some cases. The goals are:
> 1) More appropriate data structure
How is this more appropriate, you are loosing real world information
to improve rendering.
> 2) Better usability
How does
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett :
> The main focus is *adding* information to roads currently mapped as single
> (non-divided) roads. Gaining information. Not losing. There are a huge
> number of places that this will add information that was not previously
> mapped.
This opens up a can of worms about mic
2009/12/6 Shaun McDonald :
> The License Working Group has spent months, well probably nearer years, on
> the license change. They know one heck of a lot more about legal systems than
> myself. They are people that I trust. Therefore I'm going to listen to them,
> and let them just get on with i
2009/12/6 John Smith :
> 2009/12/6 Shaun McDonald :
>> The License Working Group has spent months, well probably nearer years, on
>> the license change. They know one heck of a lot more about legal systems
>> than myself. They are people that I trust. Therefore I'm g
2009/12/6 Ulf Lamping :
> Iván Sánchez Ortega schrieb:
>> So you think that the OSMF is forcing people to do things, and controlling
>> instead of supporting?
>
> Does: "Say yes to the new license or we'll delete your data" sound more
> like supporting or controlling to you?
I had the unfortunate
2009/12/6 Richard Fairhurst :
> Creative Commons, of course, has practising copyright lawyers too. They have
> said that CC-BY-SA isn't applicable to data and we shouldn't use it.
There has also been a lot of data imported from Government sources
that released data as CC-BY-SA and I'm sure they ha
2009/12/6 Anthony :
> No sense in wasting everyone's time if the OSMF members aren't going to
> agree to it anyway?
I'm pretty sure he meant asking contributors before threatening to
remove their contributions.
> It'll still be there. In perfect form for the fork which will inevitably
> arise.
2009/12/6 SteveC :
> Are you also living on planet Frederik? Out of all the crazy claims
> this has to be the most crazy. Where have you been the past year of
> consultations?
How is insulting people going to help things?
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2009/12/6 SteveC :
> By letting them know FUD and BS will be shot down.
And you are coming off just as unrational as you are claiming they are
being and not helping fence sitters one bit.
If you want a dictatorship on the matter say so, otherwise you or
others wanting the change need to address t
2009/12/6 Anthony :
>> Click through type agreements have already been deemed as
>> unenforceable,
>
> Can you provide me with a few links to back that up (off-list or on the
> legal list if you think it's too off-topic)? To my knowledge the
> enforceability is spotty and unclear.
Trying to find
2009/12/6 SteveC :
> Read the wikipedia entry on tit for tat, and iterated prisoners dilemma.
That's just it, I'm trying to avoid the conjecture in coming up with
an opinion on if this is a good thing or not for me and my
contributions or not.
ie am I wasting time contributing to OSM if my contri
2009/12/6 Anthony :
> Might want to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click-through_license . A
> quick scan finds one case where the license was found unenforceable (because
> it was unconscionable), and several where it was found enforceable.
As I said, the judgement I'm thinking of was a few
2009/12/6 Anthony :
> I prefer 1. Of course, what works for you isn't the same as what works for
> me. I'm fine with everything being public domain. Why an open content
> project would try to place restrictions on the use of a collection of facts
> is beyond me.
If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I
2009/12/6 Anthony :
> What, you say, you already had that right anyway? Well, here in the US, I
> already have the right to copy and redistribute the OSM database.
Depends what laws the laws in your jurisdictions are derived from.
Sometimes it's anything goes unless you aren't allowed to do it.
2009/12/7 Anthony :
>> But I would argue that a selection of a finite set from an infinite
>> possible nodes that can represent the centerline of a road is a sufficiently
>> creative endeavor that is automatically afforded copyright according to the
>> US copyright system.
>
> Inaccuracy isn't copy
2009/12/7 Graham Seaman :
> This is the aspect of the whole thing I find most worrying too: this
> signover of rights to a centralised body makes external attack much more
> possible. Is it really necessary for the OSMF to have both functions
> (management and rights ownership)? For example, I woul
2009/12/8 Paul Houle :
> My major concern with a license change is compatibility with
> CC-BY-SA sources such as dbpedia, wikipedia, etc.
>
> So far as I'm concerned, dbpedia and freebase are the core of a
> linked data space that assigns taxonomic identifiers to (most) "things"
> that exi
2009/12/8 David Fawcett :
> I have some questions about standard practices for coastlines and
> structures that define or protrude from the coast. Is there a
> specific place for discussion of this topic area, or is this list the
> best place?
For tagging, there is now a tagging list to discuss s
2009/12/8 Anthony :
> But if it's copyrighted, who owns the copyright on it? Each person who uses
> the tag? The people who participate in the list discussion? The OSMF?
You own the copyright on your changes but you also agreed to release
it at present under CC-BY-SA, as does everyone else, so
2009/12/8 Ed Avis :
> John Smith gmail.com> writes:
>
>>If GPLv3 was inspired by Tivo, I think this license is somewhat
>>inspired by Google and other commercial mapping companies, who have a
>>habbit of sucking in all the data they can get their hands on and
2009/12/9 Pieren :
> - yes and consider all my data PD
Umm what happens in jurisdictions where PD isnt' applicable?
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2009/12/9 Shalabh :
> Is there anyway the AND data can be segmented such that it can be deleted in
> sections and a new track with correct attributes put in as and when a mapper
> gets the correct data? Now I am a BIG 0 as a programmer, so if this is a no
> go, what else can be done? Any suggestion
2009/12/11 Anthony :
> It's not. However, if we could convince businesses to "give back to the
> community", it'd be better.
If you feel that way, the ODBL would in principal be the better option
to ensure it happens with a stick just to make sure.
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2009/12/11 Anthony :
> I see no evidence that that's the case. I don't think attempting to impose
> a contractual agreement on others without their consent is going to work,
> and I think there will be significant negative side-effects to such immoral
> behavior.
I don't think immoral is the righ
2009/12/11 Paul Wagener :
> This might sound like a crazy idea, but can't we just ask businesses
> nicely about giving us their added data back?
> It has already got us this far. You'd be surprised how far a little
> mutual trust can get you.
Isn't that in essence what licenses are for?
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2009/12/11 Elizabeth Dodd :
> so we don't need imported data?
>
> -- Forwarded Message --
>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business
> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009
> From: paul youlten
> To: Liz
>
> Liz,
>
> The coastline I did back in the "old days" was between Has
2009/12/11 Pieren :
> 45% "yes and consider all my data Public domain (no restrictions)"
That is until someone edits said PD data and then they want their
edits under ODBL at which point it's no longer PD...
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2009/12/12 Brendan Morley :
> If "the intent of OSM is to represent the centerline of a road as accurately
> as possible" (and presumably other land features too) then this is another
> reason to consider dropping the SA requirement - or dual licencing or dual
> databases or being able to assign a
2009/12/13 wonderling :
> Where are there instructions for viewing data points?
> The format is: ., ., ., comments
>
> The need is to evaluate the validity of the points before publishing.
Convert it to an osm file and load it in JOSM as a new layer
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2009/12/13 Anthony :
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:17 PM, John Smith
> wrote:
>>
>> The problem I have with that is my labour is used to commercially
>> benefit others and in turn nothing they do would have to be returned
>> to the community.
>
> So you want to b
2009/12/13 Anthony :
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith
> wrote:
>>
>> That's the issue I have, I have no problem giving back to the
>> community, but I don't want commercial companies just sucking up all
>> the data and not giving hardly anyth
2009/12/13 Anthony :
> If CC-BY-SA can enforce what? Attribution? If geodata isn't copyrightable,
> then it doesn't matter if the derivative works are released under CC-BY-SA.
CC-BY is attribution, CC-BY-SA is Attribution with Share Alike.
While geodata might not be, the meta data should be imh
2009/12/13 Anthony :
> If geodata is not copyrightable, then Share Alike is meaningless. The
> original work is public domain, and the modified work is also public domain.
Assuming public domains is a valid option, which isn't valid in all
jurisdictions. Even where PD is valid if you modify it an
2009/12/13 Brendan Morley :
> So John, given you wish to "don't want commercial companies just sucking up
> all the data and not giving hardly anything back in return if they extend
> the map" -
I never said at any point I agree with ODBL, I said I agreed with the intent.
2009/12/13 Jon Burgess :
> On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 09:10 +1000, John Smith wrote:
>> It's slightly annoying now that things render so quickly that the
>> coastlines don't.
>
> I ran the coastcheck utility last night to update the coastline
> shapefiles on the main
2009/12/14 Anthony :
> If the the data is not copyrightable, it is PD, and no "license" is going to
> magically make it not PD.
Not all legal systems are derived from the British/Common Law legal
system, there are others that instead of having all rights by default
you only have rights if granted
2009/12/14 Anthony :
> No, I mean it isn't needed.
If everyone believed it wasn't needed we wouldn't be having this discussion...
> I believe you added something to my comments.
What did I add? You said cc-by-sa can't protect geodata (in your
jurisdiction), so it can't prevent it from being rebu
2009/12/14 Serge Wroclawski :
> So where does someone like me begin? Is there a good book I can read?
> A video course online?
Are you more interested in theory aspects or practical aspects?
> I realize that many universities offer a GIS class, but I'm wondering
> if this is something that can be
2009/12/14 Serge Wroclawski :
> Practical, but knowing a little theory helps know how to apply the practical.
Theory only helps to point, practical is different because you are
dealing with software implementations of GIS, someone was making a
mapnik virtual image that might be as good a place to
2009/12/14 Anthony :
> I certainly don't remember saying that, and it doesn't sound like something
> I'd say. As I have said before, to protect my geodata, I use backups.
I was extrapolating based on what you stated earlier, backups are a
protection of sorts, but the discussion is about legal pro
2009/12/14 andrzej zaborowski :
> also something to do with 'geometry'. There are obviously interesting
> things in GIS that are not related to graphics like the datums and
> projections and geometry on a sphere and I don't know where one learns
> these, I know little about them.
Surveying and/or
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley :
> What is *materially removed* from you if your "labour is used to
> commercially benefit others" and/or "commercial companies [are] just sucking
> up all
> the data and not giving hardly anything back in return if they extend the
> map"?
I'm not a source of free labour
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley :
> And the copyleft mindset of the LWP continues to perpetuate substantial
> "legal [...] restrictions on [...] use." So really, the OSM project has
> failed to deliver on this latent demand.
I've seen the same comments regarding GPL v BSD licenses, free and
open are r
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley :
>>Google has a lot of data and are good at getting more, be it official
>>or crowdsourced. It would be a huge loss for the collective knowledge
>>of everyone if this data escapes the virus. I can't afford that loss,
>>maybe you can.
>
> What is being lost though?
When G
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley :
> I've seen the links and I trust I'm clear on what the LWP is up to. However
> that's not what I signed up for, to be honest. I mean it's an
> "OpenStreetMap" not a CopyleftMap or anything that unambiguous. I got sold
> on the blurb on that wiki page and didn't really n
2009/12/14 Peter Childs :
> CCbySA says you must attribute where it came from, ODbl make no such
> demand. So by following ODbl you break CCbySA. and the law is
> about black and white not shades of grey.
CC-BY is attributation, CC-BY-SA is attributation + sharing changes
under the same licens
2009/12/14 Brendan Morley :
> I suppose you would have hated contributing to Linux then.
GPL has similar sharing required by ODBL, if you had said BSD you
might have had a point, MS and others have taken BSD code and given
nothing back, they have recently been shown to have used GPL code and
as a
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