Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
My head is spinning. I shall let the machine have a rest (and also my brain). We can maybe discuss what you all think is really the best thing long-term. It is a lovely, lovely machine. I need to power it down now anyway, because I took a little tip from the Compal manual, which is this: after

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan : > I reproduced the cases (and the spaces) as you gave them, Al. > > There is no KVARS line at all in the Makefile. Here are the contents. > > KVER          := $(shell uname -r) ^^^ sorry, my bad, it's KVER, and they _have_ modified it in almost the same way I did. This is good new

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: > Excellent stuff, Tony, thanks again. > > uname -a gives > Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-23-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 26 00:13:11 UTC 2009 i686 > GNU/Linux > > administration/system monitor/system gives > Ubuntu Release 8.04 (hardy) > Kernel Linux 2.6.24-23-generic > GNOME 2.22.3 Hello, Rowan.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
I reproduced the cases (and the spaces) as you gave them, Al. There is no KVARS line at all in the Makefile. Here are the contents. KVER := $(shell uname -r) KDIR := /lib/modules/$(KVER)/build KMISC := /lib/modules/$(KVER)/kernel/drivers/net/ KEXT := $(shell ech

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan : > I typed that in exactly as you gave it, Al, and got no output at all. > It's case sensitive. Alternatively you can press ALT+F2, and then in the box type "gksu nautilus /root" and then navigate to /root/lc2000/r8168-8.008.00/src and open the Makefile to see the "KVARS" line. Ch

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Excellent stuff, Tony, thanks again. uname -a gives Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-23-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 26 00:13:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux administration/system monitor/system gives Ubuntu Release 8.04 (hardy) Kernel Linux 2.6.24-23-generic GNOME 2.22.3 Tony Travis wrote: > Rowan wrote: > >> I ty

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: > I typed that in exactly as you gave it, Al, and got no output at all. > > How do I check which ubuntu version I have? I know it goes by very fast > during the boot sequence, I think it's 24 something. > [...] Hello, Rowan. To find out which kernel you are running type: u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Nope, and I am no idea where to find this magazine of which you speak, nor do I much want to. I have the restore discs, and that's it. But thanks. Tony Travis wrote: > Rowan wrote: > >> Al, this is exactly the sort of thing that made me ask over and over for >> hands-on help - which would not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: > > Al, this is exactly the sort of thing that made me ask over and over for > hands-on help - which would not only be more likely to succeed but would > be faster than all this online discussion. > [...] Hello, Rowan. Have you tried booting from a 'live' CD - e.g. the Ubuntu 8.10 C

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
I typed that in exactly as you gave it, Al, and got no output at all. How do I check which ubuntu version I have? I know it goes by very fast during the boot sequence, I think it's 24 something. Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/3/2 Rowan : > >> p.s. (sorry to double post where one would do): I shall

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan : > p.s. (sorry to double post where one would do): I shall ask them by > email whether or not that is the case. Before even turning it on, I want > comprehensive instructions including contingencies. > Just open a terminal and issue this command to find out:- sudo grep KVARS /root

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
p.s. (sorry to double post where one would do): I shall ask them by email whether or not that is the case. Before even turning it on, I want comprehensive instructions including contingencies. Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/3/2 Rowan : > >> Sean, is "make clean modules" an instruction you type in? I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Al, this is exactly the sort of thing that made me ask over and over for hands-on help - which would not only be more likely to succeed but would be faster than all this online discussion. Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/3/2 Rowan : > >> Sean, is "make clean modules" an instruction you type in? I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan : > Sean, is "make clean modules" an instruction you type in? I assumed it > was an instruction to ME, to make them clean somehow. > It is a command, yes. However I just tried it here using that driver and it fails, because the (realtek - not LC) seem to have hard-wired the kernel v

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Sean, is "make clean modules" an instruction you type in? I assumed it was an instruction to ME, to make them clean somehow. Sean Miller wrote: > Hi Rowan, > > What is it you don't understand? > > They appear to be giving you two options :- > > a. revert to the default Ubuntu driver > > >> 1.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
The machine itself is a Compal JHL 90 (Korean, not Japanese, my bad). Gorgeous screen to it. The Compal manual is online in various places. I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me whether this machine really has "bleeding edge chipsets". Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/3/2 Rowan : > >> One,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
But then I'm a "glass half full" kinda guy. - Indeed you are, Al. That makes you a splendid moderator for this kind of list. Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/3/2 Rowan : > >> One, the thing already installed some of the auto-updates, then got >> stuck, because it had disabled the interface and couldn

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan : > One, the thing already installed some of the auto-updates, then got > stuck, because it had disabled the interface and couldn't download the > rest, so I shall have to tell it to stop complaining about this fact > until I am sorted. > Yes, the instructions that Sean and LC provi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Well, it's true one has to confirm the install by clicking an OK button, before the auto-updater starts installing anything at all, so I guess it follows that merely going online and downloading updates is harmless. I did, unfortunately, click OK to install on the first occasion, being an innoc

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Just a couple of after-thoughts, Al: One, the thing already installed some of the auto-updates, then got stuck, because it had disabled the interface and couldn't download the rest, so I shall have to tell it to stop complaining about this fact until I am sorted. Two, in fact, it appears the m

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
Morning, 2009/3/2 Rowan : > So you think it's worth using the non-default driver. I think it's worth using whatever driver works :) > That means that I > must switch off auto-updates, after reinstalling the non-default driver, No, it doesn't as I understand it. They have provided a manual solut

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Mornin,' Al. So you think it's worth using the non-default driver. That means that I must switch off auto-updates, after reinstalling the non-default driver, and before going back online, and that I must install DKMS before switching auto-updates back on, I guess. Again, I shall think all this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Alan Pope
2009/3/2 Rowan : > Tell me, do you think there is any good reason, in anybody's minds but > the LinuxCertified engineers, to use a non default driver at all? Is the > "instability" in the r8169 driver a matter of common knowledge, or just > something they dreamed up to make life more confusing? >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Rowan
Well, I'm very grateful for that explanation, Sean, I really am. I shall read it very carefully and digest it slowly - it has taken me two weeks to even boil down the question to a sufficiently succinct form to be answerable. Tell me, do you think there is any good reason, in anybody's minds bu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-02 Thread Sean Miller
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Rowan wrote: > I don't understand instruction 2. Is it one long line? What is the > > doing there, and is it single spaced in between the two long strings? Or > did it creep in when the email was transmitted? > > sed 's/blacklist r8169/#blacklist r8169/' /etc/modpro

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-01 Thread Rowan
I don't understand instruction 2. Is it one long line? What is the > doing there, and is it single spaced in between the two long strings? Or did it creep in when the email was transmitted? sed 's/blacklist r8169/#blacklist r8169/' /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.bak > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist Se

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-01 Thread Sean Miller
Hi Rowan, What is it you don't understand? They appear to be giving you two options :- a. revert to the default Ubuntu driver > 1. mv /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.bak > 2. sed 's/blacklist r8169/#blacklist r8169/' /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.bak > > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklis

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non-default driver

2009-03-01 Thread Rowan
Could people kindly amplify the following cryptic instructions from LinuxCertified's engineers so that a complete ignoramus like me can follow them? I have reproduced the lines of code EXACTLY as transmitted. My current machine is getting rather wonky, so I need to get all this on paper pronto.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Rowan
I didn't start out with the preconception that someone else would have to sort it out for me hands-on. However, I do feel that now, and yesterday two people on this list said quite cheerfully that at some point it should be possible to do just that, and I don't want to start reviewing that deci

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Tony Travis
Rowan wrote: > I would certainly want to make it clear to anyone considering starting > with Linux that unless they are already online with another machine (I > am using a beat-up old sony running WinXP) it will be absolute hell for > them to find anyone who can help them get started. > [...] Hel

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Rob Beard
On 25/02/2009 15:19, Jon Reynolds wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to add something to this, although not entirely relevant to > Rowan's case, but it reminds me of a lot of people thinking when it comes to > adopting Linux. > > I have tried, half-heartedly, to get family members to switch to Ubu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Rowan
I would certainly want to make it clear to anyone considering starting with Linux that unless they are already online with another machine (I am using a beat-up old sony running WinXP) it will be absolute hell for them to find anyone who can help them get started. I could not possibly have figu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-25 Thread Jon Reynolds
Hi all, I would like to add something to this, although not entirely relevant to Rowan's case, but it reminds me of a lot of people thinking when it comes to adopting Linux. I have tried, half-heartedly, to get family members to switch to Ubuntu, or even just try it out for a while, thinking o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Non default driver

2009-02-24 Thread Rowan
Thanks but I shall wait until someone is able to reinstall the driver, install DKMS, and give the thing a general once-over, as discussed earlier. Please understand that although I appreciate the 'open source philosophy' I do NOT regard myself as competent to fix this. Matthew Daubney wrote: > H