On 04/12/2013 04:27 PM, Bill Davidsen issued this missive:
Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
On Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
On Tue Apr 9, 2013, at 06:02:08, pomo wrote:
On 09.04.2013 07:38, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
I have an external SATA disk in a
On 04/12/2013 11:35 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
Hi Rolf,
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43:50PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
see any reference to hypdestopt in the "demo" code?
I figured that it had to come from somewhere i
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 15:24 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
wrote:
> It's not clear to me what that should do but it produces a long list,
> not in the form I need? I just want to filter [view] DST=17.*.
>
> less syslog.txt | grep "DST=17\." does that and solves my immediate
> need.
As
Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
On Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
On Tue Apr 9, 2013, at 06:02:08, pomo wrote:
On 09.04.2013 07:38, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
I have an external SATA disk in a USB-3 / eSATA docking
station. When I connect using eSATA,
Sorry, I did not mean to send my previous message to the list, since
Joe Zeff had asked to email him off-list. I just clicked on "Reply"
thinking
my message would just go to the sender. (I didn't click on "Reply List"
or "Reply All".) And then I didn't notice that the To field was the list
On 04/13/2013 05:16 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 04/12/2013 03:32 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
I realized that I should have been doing
ps2pdf demo.ps
not
ps2pdf demo
and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.
Brain fart. Don't worry about it. Tish happens. If you want to
On 12/04/13 16:13, poma wrote:
less syslog.txt | grep "DST=17\." does that and solves my immediate need.
A long list - a two IP addresses!? :)
Well, if you don't need this *short* IP addresses output .i.e. for a
'whois'[1] so you can parse the required IP range i.e. for a net filter,
nonetheless
On 12.04.2013 21:24, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> It's not clear to me what that should do but it produces a long list,
> not in the form I need? I just want to filter [view] DST=17.*.
>
> less syslog.txt | grep "DST=17\." does that and solves my immediate need.
A long list - a two
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 09:20:01PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 11.04.2013 21:14, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> > On 04/11/2013 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication
> >> is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb
> >
>
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Mike Dwiggin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
> Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
>
>
I know the thread has moved a lot after this question but just in case, you
need a reference in the future.
https
On 12/04/13 14:02, poma wrote:
"clouds"?:)
awk '{print $11}' syslog.txt | uniq
DST=17.171.4.13
DST=174.35.3.56
or
awk '{sub("DST=","",$11); print $11}' syslog.txt | uniq
17.171.4.13
174.35.3.56
man 1 gawk
man 1 uniq
poma
It's not clear to me what that should do but it produces a long list,
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> If you install Fedora, what you get for support is, essentially,
> answers people are willing to give you for free here, in forums, in
> IRC, and so on. If you install CentOS or SL, I believe the answer is
> roughly the same. This does n
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:04:30AM -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
>
> On 4/12/2013 7:03 AM, Tim wrote:
> >On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 13:24 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> >>I would agree that in a corporate environment, Fedora release cycle is
> >>too often. I personnally run Fedora on my work lap
On 12.04.2013 19:29, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/12/2013 04:41 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
>> Thus I am having to sell to their level of Knowledge and my well working
>> Lab just does not penetrate her defense of her Brothers skills. It must
>> have been the OS, not Her Brother!
>
> I think the best thi
On 12.04.2013 19:27, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> On 12/04/13 13:04, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 12.04.2013 18:31, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni:
>>> >
>>> > If I do "less syslog.txt | grep DST=17." I get a mixture of outputs
>>> containing "17."
>> escaping and quotes are your friend
>>
On 04/12/2013 04:41 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Thus I am having to sell to their level of Knowledge and my well working
Lab just does not penetrate her defense of her Brothers skills. It must
have been the OS, not Her Brother!
I think the best thing you can do here is accept the fact that you ca
On 12/04/13 13:04, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.04.2013 18:31, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni:
>
> If I do "less syslog.txt | grep DST=17." I get a mixture of outputs containing
"17."
escaping and quotes are your friend
less syslog.txt | grep "DST=17\."
Thanks much, I messed with that for an hou
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 07:04:43PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 12.04.2013 18:31, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni:
> >
> > If I do "less syslog.txt | grep DST=17." I get a mixture of outputs
> > containing "17."
>
> escaping and quotes are your friend
> less syslog.txt | grep "DST=17\."
Is
On 04/12/2013 04:05 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
To him EOL would be a selling point because it would eliminate changes!
Yes I am dealing with that kind of knowledge base!
Tell him that EOL means no bug fixes, no security patches, under any
circumstances. Nothing changes, and any remaining bugs g
On 04/12/2013 03:32 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
I realized that I should have been doing
ps2pdf demo.ps
not
ps2pdf demo
and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.
Brain fart. Don't worry about it. Tish happens. If you want to know
about one that had me going round i
On 04/12/2013 03:15 AM, Steve Searle issued this missive:
Around 11:09am on Friday, April 12, 2013 (UK time), Mike Dwiggins scrawled:
My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to
let us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can
show some compariso
Am 12.04.2013 18:31, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni:
>
> If I do "less syslog.txt | grep DST=17." I get a mixture of outputs
> containing "17."
escaping and quotes are your friend
less syslog.txt | grep "DST=17\."
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If I do "less syslog.txt | grep DST=17." I get a mixture of outputs
containing "17."
I would like to do "less syslog.txt | grep 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255" or
"less syslog.txt | grep DST=17.0.0.0/8" but I can't find the correct
incantation. The man page doesn't seem to tell me how, at least n
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
On 4/12/2013 3:01 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to let
us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can show some
comparison to RHEL I can sell him on Fedora
On 4/12/2013 7:03 AM, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 13:24 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
I would agree that in a corporate environment, Fedora release cycle is
too often. I personnally run Fedora on my work laptop, but if I were
to administer the whole ~150 desktops of the company I w
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On 04/12/2013 09:41 AM, Cristian Sava wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to monitor hardware temperatures using sensors. sensors is working
> ok lunched in a terminal but i want to display the output on the web. So i
> have this simple php:
>
>
>
> and my
Am 12.04.2013 17:37, schrieb Gary Stainburn:
>> Some time ago, I tested a Fedora install with VMware Workstation running
>> our WinXP image for the Windows-only apps (CAD, Sketchp), and it worked
>> really well;
>> - the only problem was strong resistance from stubborn users.
>
> How does runnin
Nik
I'm sorry if my comments sound negative but I can't see how many of the things
you suggest would give any benefits. I would appreciate it if you could
explain better for me.
On Friday 12 April 2013 00:04:34 Nik Trevallyn-Jones wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> Just a few thoughts from my own experience
> I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex".
> I did
> "latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I
> reported.
>
You may install kerTeX^{1} and in there latex is latex :)
If you don't have Development Tools/Libraries installed do,
# yum installgr
Am 12.04.2013 15:32, schrieb Aaron Konstam:
> One anoyance however is that wine will not run 64bit Window
> applications
and what do think why there are wine.i686 and wine.x86_64 packages?
Name: wine
Arch: x86_64
Version : 1.5.24
Release : 1.fc18
Size: 41 k
Repo
On 04/12/2013 12:52 PM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Agreed, The plan is to start him on F17,
That's a reasonable option. Staying/Lagging 1/2 or 1 release cycle
behind "bleeding edge" Fedora has worked for me in similar situations as
yours for a long time.
unless of course I can convince
him to
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 21:37 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
> So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where "latex" really
> means
> ***latex*** and not "pdftex". How the hell do I arrange that?
>
I'm a bit late to this party, but Jindrich Novy's Fedora TeXLive repo
for F17 works well.
On Friday 12 April 2013 15:06:07 Tim wrote:
> Failing that, if there's an option to not include any of the prior
> message in the reply, that's better than mass top quoting.
>
> --
I've just had a look on my Blackberry and it does have the option to "delete
original text". You could combine that
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:55 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote:
> What ever happened to bottom-posting? This last post reads like it was
> written on a computer verses on a Blackberry phone. Could we please
> stick
> to bottom-posting unless on a Blackberry, ? and could those on a
> Blackberry
> please c
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:55 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote:
> What ever happened to bottom-posting? This last post reads like it was
> written on a computer verses on a Blackberry phone. Could we please
> stick to bottom-posting unless on a Blackberry
Failing that, if there's an option to not includ
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 13:24 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> I would agree that in a corporate environment, Fedora release cycle is
> too often. I personnally run Fedora on my work laptop, but if I were
> to administer the whole ~150 desktops of the company I wont use Fedora
> but CentOS.
I
You are right, I'll find and fix them first.
Thank you.
2013/4/11 Rich Megginson
> On 04/11/2013 01:25 PM, carne_de_passaro wrote:
>
>
> It would appear the DN is corrupted. We might be able to find it. The
>> entries are sent in roughly entry ID order. So assuming the first entry
>> wit
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 01:13:49PM +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> On the basis BIL is ... lacking ... and fears RHEL/CentOS for no good
> reason then besto to go either Ubuntu LTS or Scientific Linux (teh latter
> would be my preference) but not to mention the RHEL heritage - just call it
> an enter
Hi all,
I want to monitor hardware temperatures using sensors.
sensors is working ok lunched in a terminal but i want to display the
output on the web.
So i have this simple php:
and my_sensors.sh in cgi-bin:
#!/usr/bin/bash
/usr/bin/sensors
exit
Why the problem showed in /var/log/messages (a
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:04 +1000, Nik Trevallyn-Jones wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> Just a few thoughts from my own experiences.
>
> I also support a network of WinXP machines (40+, so fewer than yours).
> I use FOG ( http://www.fogproject.org/ ) to automate tasks and re-image
> the machines, and every
On 04/12/2013 06:23 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:15:24 +0100
Steve Searle wrote:
I would think it madness to use Fedora in a commercial activity
Depends on the activity, since RHEL does (eventually) get based
off of fedora, I use fedora at work so I get a heads-up on what
is g
Thank You
On 4/12/2013 5:09 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 04/12/13 19:41, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
OK, let me sum up my situation if I can without busting some confidentiality
agreements.
Actually, IMO, there is no reason to have to explain yourself, defend yourself,
or to be concerned with any opinio
> Actually, IMO, there is no reason to have to explain yourself, defend
> yourself, or to be concerned with any opinions others have formed about
> you, or your situation.
>
> Some fine points were made on technical merits. You should be able to
> ponder those points and make a decision based on y
On 04/12/13 19:41, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> OK, let me sum up my situation if I can without busting some confidentiality
> agreements.
Actually, IMO, there is no reason to have to explain yourself, defend yourself,
or to be concerned with any opinions others have formed about you, or your
situati
Am 12.04.2013 13:37, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby:
> On 2013-04-12 14:05, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
>> To him EOL would be a selling point because it would eliminate changes!
>> Yes I am dealing with that kind of knowledge base!
>
> It's really easy to argue:
> The "no-change" includes no correcti
OK, let me sum up my situation if I can without busting some
confidentiality agreements.
We are a small Network Engineering company mostly we specialize in
Enterprise Wireless in support of Inventory Control systems. Our
outward facing network has been Windows Server in various generations!
On 2013-04-12 14:05, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
To him EOL would be a selling point because it would eliminate changes!
Yes I am dealing with that kind of knowledge base!
It's really easy to argue:
The "no-change" includes no correction if security hole
CentOS has no changes in Interface, but securi
On 2013-04-12 14:11, Reindl Harald wrote:
* you try to sell me a EOL system by knowing and ignoring this
* you do not know that it is EOL what shows that you are not qualified
At this I can only say that you don't know my Boss! He moved into this field
from a related field (Telcomm) and
knows
Hi Rolf,
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43:50PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
> I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
> see any reference to hypdestopt in the "demo" code?
>
> I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
> God know
Am 12.04.2013 13:05, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
> On 4/12/2013 3:49 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> to make it clear, if i would be your boss and you try to sell me
>> Fedora 16 i would fire you for two possible reasons reasons to
>> prevent future damage to the company
>>
>> * you try to sell me a EOL s
As I have said in other posts the intent is to eventually wind-up on RHEL.
>
>
If the goal is RHEL then Fedora is the incorrect choice - seriously.
What are his objections to CentOS?
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On 4/12/2013 3:59 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.04.2013 12:52, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
Agreed, The plan is to start him on F17
F19 will be released at 2013-07-02
so F17 support ends 2013-08-02
everybody but you is preparing upgrade to F18 if not happened
unless of course I can convince him
> in fact you sent this mail from Windows with a outdated thunderbird
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307
> Thunderbird/17.0.4
>
>
To be fair he he no doubt meant he sent it from postfix on
fortress1.azdwiggins.com (which must be one of his home systems).
Thun
On 4/12/2013 3:49 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.04.2013 12:37, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
That is a justified concern however in our case we finally have seen him get
fed up with the Wndoze environment and
the cost it causes. We have him ready to try a solution that can run
everything we need o
>
>
> Agreed, The plan is to start him on F17, unless of course I can convince
> him to go with F18! My home machines are still on F14 but, I have a test
> server running F18 and it so far looks solid! As a point of fact I sent
> this e-mail off of it!
>
>
What are the specific reasons he will n
Am 12.04.2013 12:52, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
> Agreed, The plan is to start him on F17
F19 will be released at 2013-07-02
so F17 support ends 2013-08-02
everybody but you is preparing upgrade to F18 if not happened
> unless of course I can convince him to go with F18!
you still refused to ex
On 4/12/2013 3:40 AM, James Hogarth wrote:
That is a justified concern however in our case we finally have
seen him get fed up with the Wndoze environment and the cost it
causes. We have him ready to try a solution that can run
everything we need on our two new sever grade mach
Am 12.04.2013 12:37, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
> That is a justified concern however in our case we finally have seen him get
> fed up with the Wndoze environment and
> the cost it causes. We have him ready to try a solution that can run
> everything we need on our two new sever grade
> machines an
Please see inline below.
On 04/12/2013 10:29 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
Hello Rolf,
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:37:43PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex". I
did
"latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I reported.
On 12/04/13 11:09, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
On 4/12/2013 3:01 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
I would not directly compare those, as the
> That is a justified concern however in our case we finally have seen him
> get fed up with the Wndoze environment and the cost it causes. We have him
> ready to try a solution that can run everything we need on our two new
> sever grade machines and avoid the physical update cycle on the other f
On 4/12/2013 3:15 AM, Steve Searle wrote:
Around 11:09am on Friday, April 12, 2013 (UK time), Mike Dwiggins scrawled:
My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to
let us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can
show some comparison to RHEL I can
>
> Thanks, that is the answer I need. I just did not know what the direct
> comparison was! That should give me the fire power to sell him on Fedora
> 16 which as I said my whole shop is running at home.
>
>
>
That's ridiculous ...
F16 is EOL:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announc
Further to my previous message: Maybe I *am* a moron and not just
an idiot studying hard to be one. I realized that I should have been doing
ps2pdf demo.ps
not
ps2pdf demo
and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.
So it all seems to be working now. I guess the pro
Am 12.04.2013 12:25, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
>
> On 4/12/2013 3:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 12.04.2013 12:01, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby:
>>> On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond
Hello Rolf,
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:37:43PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
>
> I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex". I
> did
> "latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I reported.
A little patience and being concise helps a lot. If you knew
On 4/12/2013 3:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.04.2013 12:01, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby:
On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
I would not directly compare those, as
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Subject: Re: Fedora vs RHEL
Around 11:09am on Friday, April 12, 2013 (UK tim
On 2013-04-12 13:09, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
My suggestion is to compare CentOS and RHEL.
My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to
let us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can
show some comparison to RHEL I can sell him on Fedora.
My whole s
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 11:15:24 +0100
Steve Searle wrote:
> I would think it madness to use Fedora in a commercial activity
Depends on the activity, since RHEL does (eventually) get based
off of fedora, I use fedora at work so I get a heads-up on what
is going to give us problems for the next RHEL r
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:09 AM, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
> My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to let
> us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can show some
> comparison to RHEL I can sell him on Fedora.
Is Oracle enterprisey enough for your bo
This is just my two cents. I use Fedora on my laptop & desktop at home but
I would never use it as a server. It is great product but it has a 6-month
release cycle which means that you only get 1 year worth of patches before
having to migrate. CentOS has 7 years worth of patches and it is the fr
On 2013-04-12 13:06, Reindl Harald wrote:
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
I would not directly compare those, as they are so much far in term of bundled
versions.
not entirely
RHEL5 is based on Fedora Core 6
RH
Am 12.04.2013 12:09, schrieb Mike Dwiggins:
> On 4/12/2013 3:01 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>> On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
>>> Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
>>> Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
>>
>> I would not directly com
Around 11:09am on Friday, April 12, 2013 (UK time), Mike Dwiggins scrawled:
> My problem is that I am trying to sell my Boss on Fedora! He refuses to
> let us use CentOS or to pay for RHEL ( Yes cheapskate). But if I can
> show some comparison to RHEL I can sell him on Fedora.
>
> My whole sho
On 4/12/2013 3:01 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
I would not directly compare those, as they are so much far in term of
bundled ver
Am 12.04.2013 12:01, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby:
> On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
>> Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
>> Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
>
> I would not directly compare those, as they are so much far in term of
>
On 2013-04-12 12:58, Mike Dwiggins wrote:
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
I would not directly compare those, as they are so much far in term of
bundled versions.
My suggestion is to compare CentOS and RHEL.
Hi,
Does there exist anywhere a list or comparison about which Releases of
Fedora correspond to what Releases of RHEL?
Thanks
Mike D.
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No. I certainly ***DID NOT*** "expect it to work with pdflatex"!!! Please
read what I wrote. It's very irritating to be taken for a moron when
one is
only an idiot studying hard to be a moron and flunking the course!
I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex".
Hi Ed,
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:46:52PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> First, I am not a Latex user. But decided to try your demo
> file on an F17 system where I installed using yum... I "think" it
> is OK?
>
> [egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex
[...]
I think the OP expected it to work w
On 12 April 2013 06:01, Tim wrote:
> poma:
> >> Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile
> >> agenda. :)
> >> Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :)
>
>
> David:
> > Perhaps a sign of the times? :-)
> >
> > And no I could not replace my
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