Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion : KEEP

At 11:06 AM 9/13/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination)#Energy_Catalyzer It survived deletion, despite complaints that: Off wiki mailing list by Alanf777, Zedshort and others here: (vortex) which seems to

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I went with a non-snarky fairly neutral "wait and see" response: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination)#Energy_Catalyzer Keep Although the eCat has not achieved mainstream media attention, there is sufficient Non-WP:RS evidence that thing

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At 10:04 PM 9/9/2012, Jouni Valkonen wrote: On 10 September 2012 02:52, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: You do not need to satisfy people. You need to report the replicated, peer-reviewed facts of the matter. Science is not a popularity contest. Th

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At 06:01 PM 9/9/2012, Jouni Valkonen wrote: What comes to cold fusion, there are no established scientific point of view, therefore it is impossible to write a good Wikipedia article on cold fusion that would satisfy everyone. Actually, there is. The claim Jouni makes is one that misunderst

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At 06:52 PM 9/9/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jouni Valkonen <jounivalko...@gmail.com> wrote: What comes to cold fusion, there are no established scientific point of view . . . Yes, there is. It is the set of facts in the peer-reviewed literature published in ma

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The page is up for formal deletion.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Energy_Catalyzer_(2nd_nomination) I haven't decided yet whether to vote for Delete or Keep.  I'll probably go with a snarky Keep.

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At 01:39 PM 9/9/2012, Alan Fletcher wrote: > From: "Kelley Trezise" > Please consider going to the article, read it and vote on its > truswothiness, objectivity, etc. at the bottom of the page. The "talk" page isn't the place to vote. If it comes up for a formal request for deletion then a ne

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You want to test the Hydrobetatron/Athanor ? as Jed repeated, good LENR experiment are expensive, and the calorimetry is so difficult that many mainstream team failed even to make good enough one. Few researchers have really tested the LENR, and now they are believers, thus nobody trust them. Se

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On Sep 10, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > we need to have rock-solid statements to answer the hyper-skeptics. Rock-solid answer would be that anyone could go their local university and do the necessary measurement by himself. With Miley's and Celani's cells this kind of situation woul

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2012/9/10 Jouni Valkonen > > I did not say that. I just said how science works and it is working very > well. Science has (almost!) nothing to do with politics and actually it is > surprising immune for political prejudices. And usually when someone gets > caught on political bias (such as Climat

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On 10 September 2012 07:39, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > In essence, you are saying we should ignore the data because people > opposed to cold fusion have successfully cut off funding. We should let > politics dictate what we believe. > I did not say that. I just said how science works and it is work

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Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Here is one example of the good peer-reviewed paper, but where is the > replication of the data? > There have been only a few replications in Italy, at SRI and elsewhere because the experiment is expensive and time consuming, and there is no money to do cold fusion. That

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On 10 September 2012 02:52, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > You do not need to satisfy people. You need to report the replicated, > peer-reviewed facts of the matter. Science is not a popularity contest. > That is true, but here cold fusion science has failed. *Correlation of excess power and helium pr

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Luigi Versaggi September 8th, 2012 at 9:05 PM Congratulations for the Zurich E-CAT Conference. I suppose this time the main stream media cannot ignore the facts. We must thank you, the world must thank you. Andrea Rossi September 9th, 2012 at 6:13 PM Dear Luigi Versaggi: The main stream media n

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Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > The problem is that it is difficult to write about Rossi, because he has > not shown any reasons why anyone should take him seriously. On the other > hand, there are very serious reasons to believe that he > is committing massive fraud. I do not know of any reasons to

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The problem is that it is difficult to write about Rossi, because he has not shown any reasons why anyone should take him seriously. On the other hand, there are very serious reasons to believe that he is committing massive fraud. There is very good article about Blacklight Power in Wikipedia. Tha

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I have been meaning to ask about this! I will start a separate thread. Jeff On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > yes we should keep archive, for a future Nuremberg Trial on Wikipedia... > > same for peer-review, magazines, and other insults > > > 2012/9/9 James Bowery > >> Part

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yes we should keep archive, for a future Nuremberg Trial on Wikipedia... same for peer-review, magazines, and other insults 2012/9/9 James Bowery > Part of the value of keeping an article from deletion is the history of > edits doesn't disappear. > > A big part of my motivation in suggesting th

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Part of the value of keeping an article from deletion is the history of edits doesn't disappear. A big part of my motivation in suggesting the use of Wikipedia as the basis for the Hutter Prize for Lossless Compression of Human Knowledge was the virulence of the editors of Wikipedia needs to be ob

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I think it is best to delete the article. I wish they would delete the article on cold fusion. Wikipedia is dysfunctional and cannot be fixed. The problem is in the structure and guiding philosophy. - Jed

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aby destroyed. Zedshort - Original Message - From: "MJ" To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion On 09-Sep-12 15:36, Alan Fletcher wrote: From: "Kelley Trezise" Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:31:22 AM So

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nt: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion From: "Kelley Trezise" Please consider going to the article, read it and vote on its truswothiness, objectivity, etc. at the bottom of the page. The "talk" page isn't the

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On 09-Sep-12 15:36, Alan Fletcher wrote: From: "Kelley Trezise" Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:31:22 AM Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia but found it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there are some very tennatious editiors that really, rea

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> From: "Kelley Trezise" > Please consider going to the article, read it and vote on its > truswothiness, objectivity, etc. at the bottom of the page. The "talk" page isn't the place to vote. If it comes up for a formal request for deletion then a new page will be opened up for discussion (thou

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> From: "Kelley Trezise" > Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 9:31:22 AM > Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia > but found it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there > are some very tennatious editiors that really, really don't like cold > fusion art

[Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion

Some time back I fought the battle of the E-Cat article on Wikipedia but found it too frustrating and in the end even enfuriating as there are some very tennatious editiors that really, really don't like cold fusion articles in any way shape or form. Their obnoxious behavior have driven off the