Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

ALA: Greg Kise - CSS Talking Points: Selling Clients on Web Standards -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Se

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

tee wrote: ... For us who believed in web standards, it all sounds very beautiful and convincing, but for companies who provides services, they want web sites, they want their web sites looks nice and professional and they want it to be affordable. They simply want to know how much it will cost ri

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

Clients, as I'm sure you are aware, are always more than interested in dollars (or the unit of currency they prefer :) ) Why not promote the benefits of designing to standards as a way to increase the accessibility and usability of a site? The more usable and accessible a site is, the greater the

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

On 4/11/05 10:39 PM "tee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > In my web design site, I do brag about web standards and that I care, but > when I talk to potential clients (so far only two), I didn't even mention > it; they didn't ask either even though they have visited my site. To me, web > stan

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

I think this is an interesting point. We moved to using CSS based layouts almost 2 years ago now. At first it was a struggle to get the designers to break out of using spacer GIFs and tables, 6 months in and they couldn't face going back to work on table based sites. We have found that the use

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

As you say, sadly not too many companies know about web standards, and why they are important to them. So it isn't really an option to make web standards a selling point, but the company will be happy when they don't receive any complaints about compatibility issues and such. -- Johnno Shadbolt

Re: [WSG] web design presentation: advice?

Hi, I enjoyed reading your message and good points, of course. I've actually marked it for saving (well, I knew all of them but you said it all succiently!). One other point I like to make is that *color is free* on the web versus the print world. good luck with your presentation, Zulema! Che

[WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

Hi, I'd been doing web design on the side since last year. I believe in web standards, but I am not sure about potential clients who want to pay me do the job will believe it. For us who believed in web standards, it all sounds very beautiful and convincing, but for companies who provides services,

Re: [WSG] web design presentation: advice?

heya, > I'm going to make a presentation to art students on an introduction to > web design and would like some advice (besides how to deal with the > butterfiles in the stomach). A few points 1) Many artsts claim that the limitations of web design restricts creativity. Realistically,

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

John Horner schrieb: Not stupid at all, but I checked that and no, it's all happening via HTTP from a web server, no local paths involved. If it's not too much trouble, could we see an URL? Ingo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgro

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

> would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to > get the "advanced search/preferences" list to align properly > next to the input on my "frugal google" experiment > http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/74/ ? You could try to move the UL just before the text box and then use *float* rather t

Re: [WSG] web design presentation: advice?

Zulema, good luck on your presentation. Here's a point you might like to bring up .. .designing for the web is similar to, but not the same as designing for the printed page with glass in front.    I'm doing contracting work at the moment and the designer I have to work with has a 'printed page'

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

> > My concern (and that of my client) is for those people who do not have > Chinese (of either variety) installed on their machine and don't want > to. If an typical user comes upon a section of the page that doesn't > display in readable fashion, their assumption is likely to be that the > site

[WSG] web design presentation: advice?

Hi all, I'm going to make a presentation to art students on an introduction to web design and would like some advice (besides how to deal with the butterfiles in the stomach). First the stats: Audience: art students who want to create portfolio websites to showcase their art work Goal:

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:30:24 +0100, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > Well that's just peachy...so basically, there's no way to override > this, as it will always take precedence over anything I can do with > my styles thanks to the ! important. Interestingly, these rules > weren't in my forms.css, but

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

On 12 Apr 2005, at 10:30 am, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Well that's just peachy...so basically, there's no way to override this, as it will always take precedence over anything I can do with my styles thanks to the ! important. Interestingly, these rules weren't in my forms.css, but now that I've m

Re: [WSG] more on flashish stuff: SVG

Well, yes, I used embed, but it was done 2 years ago, so may be it doesn't work in Opera now. But it definitely works in IE after Adobe plug-in installation. On Apr 12, 2005 9:33 AM, Kornel Lesinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:02:52 +0100, Dmitry Baranovskiy > <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

True, those ugly squares are a real risk on any non-Unicode OS (Windows up to ME, MacOS up to 9), which tipically came with fonts only for their native codepage. Let's try again. I tend to have strange ideas when working late at night, so if any of the following is wrong, non-standard or just p

Re: [WSG] flash and accessabilty

Lisa, it's in the archive: -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandard

Re: [WSG] flash and accessabilty

Herrod, Lisa wrote: Cna you please point me to this document, I seem to have missed it with all that was going on here over the weekend. http://www.markme.com/accessibility/archives/007344.cfm -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; ret

RE: [WSG] flash and accessabilty

Patrick wrote: But just to reiterate: even if you follow the recommended practices in Bob's document... Cna you please point me to this document, I seem to have missed it with all that was going on here over the weekend. Thanks, lisa ** The

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: The problem stems form this in the default forms.css legend { ... position: static ! important; float: none ! important; } Ingo Chao wrote: > I think the problem is in the browser default /res/form.css: > > legend { ... float: none ! important; } Well that's just p

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

Is ABC using a SOE in both Sydney and Melbourne? Yes. Our default browser is this version of IE6. Does the document he's working on locally refer to any stylesheets (that may contain hacks) with local paths (e.g. not network-accessible)? Sounds stupid, but simple things like that have caught man

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

How about trying the same resolution so the rendering is the same? Didn't think of that. Good point. "Have You Validated Your Code?" John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

It might have something in common with specifying eg. the line-height (that AFAIK fixes it) automagically by the system etc. When you say 'by the system' you mean something like IE's preferences? Well, rather like "Could it be CRT versus LCD monitors?" -- W2k could have set some different defaul

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

Is ABC using a SOE in both Sydney and Melbourne? Does the document he's working on locally refer to any stylesheets (that may contain hacks) with local paths (e.g. not network-accessible)? Sounds stupid, but simple things like that have caught many of us before! On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 09:59 +1000,

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

It might have something in common with specifying eg. the line-height (that AFAIK fixes it) automagically by the system etc. When you say 'by the system' you mean something like IE's preferences? Because the "system" is pretty much exactly the same... -

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

Well, this will teach me not to send messages to the list without proper sleep. I'll try and explain the situation a bit better: The Chinese (both Traditional and Simplified) was encoded in UTF-8 and is displayed as UTF-8. It shows up fine for me in Firefox. It shows up fine in IE, if the code

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

How about trying the same resolution so the rendering is the same? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.b

Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

Melbourne vs Sydney? Ah, you've discovered the Microsoft's bug impemeting policy... :D Seriously... It might have something in common with specifying eg. the line-height (that AFAIK fixes it) automagically by the system etc. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] more on flashish stuff: SVG

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:02:52 +0100, Dmitry Baranovskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have developed some projects on SVG (http://siter.com.au/dmitry/Pie/pie.html , http://siter.com.au/dmitry/Composer/Composer.html , http://siter.com.au/dmitry/MaxControl/index.html , etc.) It is very powerfull thi

[WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug

A colleague is developing a table-free design, and has run up against the "peekaboo" bug in IE6. (If you don't know it, it's basically that text disappears in certain circumstances, see http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html). His problem is not diagnosing the bug or even fixing

Re: [WSG] more on flashish stuff: SVG

I have developed some projects on SVG (http://siter.com.au/dmitry/Pie/pie.html , http://siter.com.au/dmitry/Composer/Composer.html , http://siter.com.au/dmitry/MaxControl/index.html , etc.) It is very powerfull thing, but there are few companies that interested in SVG development. Flash rules, disp

RE: [WSG] A few positioning problems

Hi Stuart, > > 1/ The navigation buttons are currently text links sitting on top of > > backgrounds. I'm having trouble getting them to centre nicely though. If > > someone could have a look and give me some ideas of how I can make > > everything line up nicely, it would be greatly appreciated. >

RE: [WSG] The name of THAT css/flash font

You might mean SIFR or Scalable Inman Flash Replacement http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr Wendy Phillips ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm fo

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

Lachlan If using windows make sure you've gone to: Control Panel ->Regional Options, and made sure the boxes for "Traditional Chinese" & "Simplified Chinese" are ticked After all the people reading your site in those languages will have "Traditional Chinese" & "Simplified Chinese" fonts install

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

> > Juergen Auer wrote: >> try to save the html-file as UTF-8 and use the chinese letters >> directly. And add >> >> >> >> Your solution can't work if the page is saved as Ascii / 256 Bit. > > Sorry, should have mentioned that. Yes, the page is UTF-8 (by both > server settings and meta elemen

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

On 12 Apr 2005 at 7:30, Lachlan Hardy wrote: > Sorry, should have mentioned that. Yes, the page is UTF-8 (by both > server settings and meta element). That still doesn't help me. Hi Lachlan, is it possible that you put a test page online? Normally I would say that this has to work. It may be

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

Juergen Auer wrote: > try to save the html-file as UTF-8 and use the chinese letters > directly. And add > > > > Your solution can't work if the page is saved as Ascii / 256 Bit. Sorry, should have mentioned that. Yes, the page is UTF-8 (by both server settings and meta element). That still doesn

Re: [WSG] more float problems

> Its the input buttons that are floated and overlapping causing the >> .sectionfooter| to shove over. Try : div.sectionfooter {clear:left} Also make sure you set a background-color for body, because white is not the color by default ;-) HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *

Re: [WSG] more on flashish stuff: SVG

as far as I know, mozzilla is the only browser to have any built-in support Opera 8 will have it too. Has anyone here actually done any development with SVG? Development not, design yes. (It's quite good vector format, AFAIK Quartz and latest KDE use it.) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanume

[WSG] The name of THAT css/flash font

Few days ago, i was reading an article that said something about a new font swf based, that coud be possible be called by .css . Does anyone knows how´s the name of that new font.? Thanks. -- att, Genau L. Júnior ___ WebDesigner/Media Developer www.meucarronovo.com.br/qu

[WSG] more float problems

Hi, Normally IE seems to ignore the proper rules of floats and expand boxes to fit them.  Using this and overflow:auto for the other browsers that do the rules properly, is usually a fairly simple solution to the overlapping float problem.  However, I've have a page that uses overflow:auto, and

Re: [WSG] IE problem

Javier wrote: What I did work well in Firefox, but when my friend saw it with his IE6 it was horrible !!! :( I used the classic two columns inside a container. Left column float to left and the other to right side. IE 6, ignores the width size of left side and show it bigger than expected then rig

Re: [WSG] The mail problem

Title: Re: [WSG] The mail problem Your not the only one. -- Ryan On 4/11/05 5:45 AM, "Simon Jessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd feel much better having Russ in charge of a nuclear arsenal than George W. Bush, but that's just me. Thank you for taking the appropriate measures. Simon Jesse

Re: [WSG] IE problem

> I've seen hacks over the net and used one to define sizes in IE...but > this problem is driving me crazy... Hi Javier, As Alan said, you should use display:inline on every float that include margins, but I believe you need more than that to fix your problem. Try this: #contizq { display:inli

[WSG] more on flashish stuff: SVG

Hi, I'll sort of try this again, and hope the gods don't mail-bomb us :P. SVG isn't quite flash, because it's not proprietary technology, but it's not terribly accesible either, because as far as I know, mozzilla is the only browser to have any built-in support for it (adobe has an svg plugin fo

Re: [WSG] IE problem

Ah yes, those problems. IE is quite bugy when it comes to floats. Try putting |display:inline| on everything that is floated. http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html Alan Trick Javier wrote: Hi I'm developing a site for a friend of mine and have some rare problems. What I d

[WSG] IE problem

Hi I'm developing a site for a friend of mine and have some rare problems. What I did work well in Firefox, but when my friend saw it with his IE6 it was horrible !!! :( I used the classic two columns inside a container. Left column float to left and the other to right side. IE 6, ignores the

Re: [WSG] The mail problem

russ - maxdesign wrote: Can I just add here that Scott Parsons is definitely not the person who's email address was the problem - although his email post hit the list in spectacular fashion it was not his fault in any way. And in case you are wondering who suggested shutting down the whole mail ser

Re: [WSG] {Spam?} email alternate content

Kvnmcwebn wrote: Ive designed an html email template with tables images etc. Is there a way to provide an alternative non-html email content for those who dont have html email capabilities. Google a bit on 'MIME multipart/alternative' HTH, -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PR

[WSG] {Spam?} email alternate content

Ive designed an html email template with tables images etc. Is there a way to provide an alternative non-html email content for those who dont have html email capabilities. -Kvnmcewbn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

Not sure, but I'll try: with the image saying something like Chinese version. Now, if your design allows for a little padding of the you'd have the English title shortly displayed before the mouse hovers on the image, so those without a proper font can roll back their mouse to the link w

Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

Hi Lachlan, try to save the html-file as UTF-8 and use the chinese letters directly. And add Your solution can't work if the page is saved as Ascii / 256 Bit. On 12 Apr 2005 at 0:01, Lachlan Hardy wrote: > title="选择后，多数页面都可用英文阅读，但只有 > 已译页面才以简体中文显示">简体中文 (don't know this will > come out in >

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

Patrick Lauke schrieb: I'm pretty sure it's a bug in (Win) Opera's absolute positioning implementation, but annoying nonetheless... would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the "advanced search/preferences" list to align properly next to the input on my "frugal google" experiment http:/

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

Patrick Lauke schrieb: Kornel Lesinski The funny thing is, that in my Opera 8b3/win your XHTML is pixel-perfect with original Firefox startpage, Interesting. In my copy of Opera 8 (can't remember which beta, but it's build 7401) I have the "Advanced Search / Preferences" to the right of the actua

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

On 11 Apr 2005, at 10:28 pm, Patrick Lauke wrote: but in Firefox 1.0+ (nightly 20050407) you can see pretty nasty bug - submit button overlaps radio buttons. Again, on my FF 1.0.1 and FF 1.1 at home, it only overlaps at very, very small font sizes. Could you email me screenshots off list, if it's n

[WSG] I18n - Traditional & Simplified Chinese in an English web site

G'day folks! A query for those with some experience in using multiple languages in their sites: In a site that is predominantly English, select pages have been translated into both Simplified and Traditional Chinese. Each page contains a link where users are able to indicate their preferred languag

RE: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

> Kornel Lesinski > The funny thing is, that in my Opera 8b3/win your XHTML > is pixel-perfect with original Firefox startpage, Interesting. In my copy of Opera 8 (can't remember which beta, but it's build 7401) I have the "Advanced Search / Preferences" to the right of the actual FF logo, comple

Re: [WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:53:14 +0100, Patrick Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm pretty sure it's a bug in (Win) Opera's absolute positioning implementation, but annoying nonetheless... would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the "advanced search/preferences" list to align properly nex

Re: [WSG] Handheld CSS example

http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=HandheldStylesheets http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg05976.html http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg08279.html http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/ http://my.opera.com/community/dev/device/css-media/ That'll kee

[WSG] CSS issues: Opera's absolute positioning

I'm pretty sure it's a bug in (Win) Opera's absolute positioning implementation, but annoying nonetheless... would anybody be able to suggest a simple fix to get the "advanced search/preferences" list to align properly next to the input on my "frugal google" experiment http://www.splintered.co.uk/e

[WSG] Handheld CSS example

I have a site with a horizontal list-based menu before and a vertical list-based menu after the main content. CSS is used to place the second list in a left navbar. For my handheld, I have just let the content flow as is. Can I do better? For instance, can I make the first list look horizontal

Re: [WSG] The mail problem

I'd feel much better having Russ in charge of a nuclear arsenal than George W. Bush, but that's just me. Thank you for taking the appropriate measures.   Simon Jessey Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business Site: http://keystonewebsites.com/

Re: [WSG] The mail problem

Can I just add here that Scott Parsons is definitely not the person who's email address was the problem - although his email post hit the list in spectacular fashion it was not his fault in any way. And in case you are wondering who suggested shutting down the whole mail server... You guessed it,

[WSG] [THREAD CLOSED] Last call for Bill Bryson's "Down under" bookray

apologies, obviously the wrong mailing list slinks away.. Lea de Groot wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:45:40 +1000, Neerav wrote: Im about to release Bill Bryson's book "Down Under" to Kirst040 at tomorrow's Sydney meetup, if anyone wants to be added to the ray before it leaves please email/PM

Re: [WSG] Last call for Bill Bryson's "Down under" bookray

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:45:40 +1000, Neerav wrote: > Im about to release Bill Bryson's book "Down Under" to Kirst040 at > tomorrow's Sydney meetup, if anyone wants to be added to the ray > before it leaves please email/PM me Ummm... if you were to say that in English, how would it sound? ;) Lea

[WSG] Last call for Bill Bryson's "Down under" bookray

Im about to release Bill Bryson's book "Down Under" to Kirst040 at tomorrow's Sydney meetup, if anyone wants to be added to the ray before it leaves please email/PM me -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development & IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http:/

Re: [WSG] A few positioning problems

Hi Seona, Seona Bellamy wrote: Hi guys, 1/ The navigation buttons are currently text links sitting on top of backgrounds. I'm having trouble getting them to centre nicely though. If someone could have a look and give me some ideas of how I can make everything line up nicely, it would be greatly app

Re: [WSG] Taming Your Multiple IE Standalones

Multiple versions of Explorer for Windows on a single computer have revolutionized CSS bug testing for websites, but sadly the different IE browser windows appear identical to the eye, potentially leading to confusion and testing mistakes. Agree. One of the problems I noticed is the style stripp

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The validator should check only "well-formness" of it. That's certainly not what the W3 validator does. As I wrote... It *should*. However the current version doesn't do it and validates it against CSS 2.1 (AFAIK) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.al

Re: [WSG] Validation of CSS

CSS doesn't have strict separation of versions. The validator should check only "well-formness" of it. That's certainly not what the W3 validator does. The example which prompted this is "display:inline-block". If I validate a file with that in it, I get this: Errors * Line: 8 Context : .myclass