Moodyman live UK, NYE
Ms. Potts asked me to forward this for her since the list server doesn't like her today. I really think something's wrong with it. Here's the poop: From: Diana Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Moodman Live in UK,NYE (charity) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:32:20 In regards to this party there is a new charity starting. The name of the foundation is simply called Bring Diana to London for New Years. It's been around for many years but is *just* starting to be recognized on the level it deserves. The goal of the drive is 700 US dollars, as that is the going rate for a Virgin air ticket out of Detroit Metro to Heathrow. Volunteers from the community are standing by for your bountiful pledges. Thank you, and remember to give (to Diana) this holiday season. Forwarded by Tristan, who will be retaining a 10% forwarded message fee from all charitable proceeds collected. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] scary stuff
Techno, like everything, is just another part of global capitalism, and works on exactly the same principles as any other business. Just cause you only sell 1000 pressings pressing does not make you any more holy than Warner Bros. The second you sell a record you are in the music business too. Christ, it took long enough for someone to say this. Commercialism is commercialism is commercialism. If Juan Atkins suddenly went triple platinum tommorrow, would that make him less credible? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] 313 Train Station.
Miroslaw Milewski wrote: Would someone be so kind and tell me the name of the main train station in Detroit? Thanks to everyone, who replied to my mail. My railway problems are solved by now :-). -- Miro.
Sonic Acts Realvideo
For those at home, there is a live stream from the sonic acts festival www.sonicacts.com/ If you tune in now you can still catch a few hours of I-f :) http://www.fabchannel.com/live/gpnl/gpnlfab.rpm
Re: [313] err...
Jonny McIntosh wrote: I reckon your wrong, too. And the above, I think, is the problem. The is is just what you get given to you, e.g. Beethoven's 9th is, even in essence, Beethoven's entire 9th. What you try and do is distill it into something purer and more minimal. The terminology is misleading you here, though. You are just doing something different. No more and no less. That needn't invalidate anything like the politics or philosophy surrounding the work in question, though. So you're tone shifting isn't wrong, but it certainly isn't the essence either. It's just an approach. It's like someone doing an analysis of Hamlet, say. If the essence of Hamlet were, for example, the philosophy of self it represents to some, then it would be better expressed as an essay on the philosophy of self. Obviously, it wouldn't really, though: the essence of Hamlet is Hamlet. It is what it is. i'm with the non-reductionists on this one. you can't just compress an artistic piece into its constituent elements and legitimately claim that it represents the essentialist nature of the original, because trying to accurately define the fundamental components is ultimately a matter of interpretation. glyn
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Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
assault and paris the black fu will be playing at club douala, ravensburg, germany, europe, planet earth, solar system ... at the 30th of december :- looking forward to it. peter - Original Message - From: Rich Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_ So I took in DJ Assault's show last night and I have to say, anyone who's wavering _run_ and grab a ticket when he's around. Haven't seen such an interesting set in a long time. He created new combinations with a base of sped up electro soundings, hip hop approaches like just dropping tracks in to change, excellent scratchings, juggling the beat, and hip hop vocal punctuations, Jamaican ideas like tracks that set a fast beat to dance to but one could dance at half speed to the bass line, some jungle sounding tracks (but in a good way), very varied but always electro booty sorta kept together. wow. me like Rich:) http://www.fade.to/arc __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] What's Richard Bartz Up to?
i heard an interview with him a few weeks back. he didn't release anything in 2000 because he switched from analog to digital producing and he wasn't really happy about the results. but he said that he gets along with it now, and there will be a new acid scout out on kurbel in january. peter - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: [313] What's Richard Bartz Up to? Has anyone seen any new material from Richard Bartz since the last Acid Scout release? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings 313
Hello 313, Been on 313 for a little while off and on, and would like to do a little intro. figured id say hi.. From Washington DC area. i like techno, wavejumping and fine cheeses. ok, just techno, music in general, arts Thats all for now.. heres a mixtape I put on line if it works.. http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=dj_kier Thanks for the cyberspace D
self promo/mp3's
*shameless self promotion to follow* I have just finished my latest cd and it is available at www.mp3.com/kevinkrahel now. This release is mostly housey type stuff, and is available for $5.99. I have a techno cd scheduled for release on mp3.com after the first of the year. please visit my page, and give a listen. its free to listen, streaming only...thanx ...kev... _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
313 hoodies
Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO
Re: [313] Greetings 313
Dave's new mix is quite good. I encourage you all to check it out. It's been in my tape deck almost non-stop since he gave it to me Saturday night. Excellent tracks and tight, raw mixing. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: Dave Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: [313] Greetings 313 Hello 313, Been on 313 for a little while off and on, and would like to do a little intro. figured id say hi.. From Washington DC area. i like techno, wavejumping and fine cheeses. ok, just techno, music in general, arts Thats all for now.. heres a mixtape I put on line if it works.. http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=dj_kier Thanks for the cyberspace D - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [313] DJ Rush track ID
It was also originally released as One Two Zero on white label. So if you see that one buy it. , know what I mean Scott Mc - Original Message - From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 3:23 PM Subject: [313] DJ Rush track ID What's the title of that DJ Rush humming track he put out a few months back? W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
313 FAQ
Haye! I know I'm gonna regret this :-) but I'll be starting an Unofficial 313 FAQ sson. Any contributions in the form of questions and/or answers are welcome, providing you e-mail me with 313 FAQ in the subject line. Thanks. Lay Unconditional Empowerment Counterforce - http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
RE: [313] 313 FAQ
Q for the 313 faq - where is the first 313 faq - matt mcqueen?! the holy grail -Original Message- From: Counterforce - Lay [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 8 December 2000 15:32 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] 313 FAQ Haye! I know I'm gonna regret this :-) but I'll be starting an Unofficial 313 FAQ sson. Any contributions in the form of questions and/or answers are welcome, providing you e-mail me with 313 FAQ in the subject line. Thanks. Lay Unconditional Empowerment Counterforce - http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) **
a burning question
SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. sure. they can have mine this really sounds like a very crass and obvious cash in. p-d
Re: [313] err...
Jim (and everyone else) That's the most important and poignent question I've seen asked during this entire thread... What does happen now? Business as usual? by the way...the more I see that commercial the more I dislike it. visually it's not the most stunning and the music doesn't really fit the image. Everything is too stiff for such funky music...if those robots heard the music they would move differently...I'm thinking more like the legs and torsos in Rockit by H. Hancock. Ford just doesn't have the Funk! ;) Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deliverator) To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] err... Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:56:16 -0500 Fred- Are you buying it? I got in a rather lengthy discussion over a few beers this past weekend on this topic. Admittedly, I have more than just a slight buzz going at the time but..After about an hour or so discussing the ford focus commerical I came to the following conclusion: 1.)Hooray for Juan, the man has skills and talent. He deserves recognition. 2.)This is a sad day for Detroit Techno. Whether we like it or not, it's been co-opted. I will always love this music, it's a part of my blood. I'm just left with a lingering question: What now? out jim http://www.mp3.com/zarathustra http://www.assasins.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big
i just wish these guys would stop blowing up my mailbox... hehe take care, Mike np: Heiko Laux-Live at Fuse Pt. 1 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] err... darw_n's brain is too big Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:31:59 EST In a message dated 12/6/00 4:35:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i believe the common goal of techno is to create music that hasn't been heard before. i've heard plenty of artists say the same thing most notably juan atkins and jeff mills. is this not enough of a unifying definition and a common goal for ya? : ) kao jyan Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that. All this intellectualism is unnecessary. Music please...maestro? G l y p h - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
assault and paris the black fu will be playing at club douala, ravensburg, germany, europe, planet earth, solar system ... at the 30th of december :- looking forward to it. peter - Original Message - From: Rich Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_ So I took in DJ Assault's show last night and I have to say, anyone who's wavering _run_ and grab a ticket when he's around. Haven't seen such an interesting set in a long time. He created new combinations with a base of sped up electro soundings, hip hop approaches like just dropping tracks in to change, excellent scratchings, juggling the beat, and hip hop vocal punctuations, Jamaican ideas like tracks that set a fast beat to dance to but one could dance at half speed to the bass line, some jungle sounding tracks (but in a good way), very varied but always electro booty sorta kept together. wow. me like Rich:) http://www.fade.to/arc __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] 313: jazz-tech?
hello, Techno and jazz can very much share the same vocabulary if you look beneath the surface window dressings and look at the actual music. It is all about 7ths, 9ths, and 11th's using a I-II-IV chord progession. Techno can totally do anything musically that can be done in jazz. Yes, there isn't the use of poly-rhythm, or odd time signatures that is common in some jazz, and the musical structure is utterly rigid, but the chord voicings, progressions, and musical scales are totally compatible and even necessary for that good ole' Detroit'y feel. I-II-IV is about a jazz as it gets. I think Detroit musicians site jazz because of a similar emotional feeling. Because really, good techno is just a few bars of jazz dragged out for 4 minutes with a funky-a** shuffeled 909 rhythm behind it. take care, mt ps philosophical techno discussions are for wankers, I used to be one of those wankers until I discovered that talking about dance music is one of the most profoundly unimportant things you can possibly do. You are going to be dead in a few decades, stop wasting your time blabbling and fretting about this silly crap. err, ok, end of public service announcement. martin clark wrote: Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:41:56 +1100 To: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] ? Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 17:58 6/12/00 -0800, you wrote: i am sorry but itotally disagree with you. in everything i have ever heard/ read about d techno i do not see any relationship between d techno and improvised music or jazz. i agree. i think the answer as to why detroit producers want to be seen to be linked to jazz is in how they perceive it. There's a common afro-futuristic-struggle and emphasis on innovation aka 'meaning' in jazz that they want percieved in techno. But structurally they're far apart. Until you do some serious [sic] genre-welding, like the Innerzone orchestra. Which is no bad thing... martin np: Coltrane 'live at birdland' _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] err...
-Original Message- From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Hugh G. Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [313] err... SNIP As for the music I think that darw_n is correct. Techno and House are very different from hip-hop for example, in that I really don't think it is possible for these artforms to be co-opted. I haven't come up with anything more than a vague theory as to WHY (if anyone has I'd be interested in seeing it)...but I just know that we won't see Sony perverting the artform. It is what it isand I don't think it can be changed except by us. I think the fact that there are usually no vocals has a lot do do with it. Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [313] 313 FAQ
Matt and Otto gave all their data from the original 313 FAQ to this guy who wrote this book called 'Techno Rebels' or so :) kj Q for the 313 faq - where is the first 313 faq - matt mcqueen?! the holy grail -Original Message- From: Counterforce - Lay [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 8 December 2000 15:32 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:[313] 313 FAQ Haye! I know I'm gonna regret this :-) but I'll be starting an Unofficial 313 FAQ sson. Any contributions in the form of questions and/or answers are welcome, providing you e-mail me with 313 FAQ in the subject line. Thanks. Lay Unconditional Empowerment Counterforce - http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some difficulties
The 313 server seems to be having some problems right now. Some of my posts are coming through up to three days after I post them. I've noticed at least five other people complain of posts not coming through too. Problem for me is that I'm looking like a complete ass when my first comments on a subject come through three days after a thread starts, and I've already made a few follow-up posts. This is annoying. So... I emailed Matt McQueen today to see if he knows what's going on, but I know he's very busy and doesn't always get to his email right away. My question is, does anyone else know if there is someone else we should be contacting, or is everyone else except a handful of us getting through fine? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
MOODYMANN in London NYE
IN RESPONCE TO YOUR MAIL FRANK JACK DANIEL, I AM THE PROMOTER WHO STAGED 3 CHAIRS, I AM THE SAME PROMOTER WHO PULLED OFF INTERSTELLAR FUGITIVES IN LONDON AND GLASGOW IN NOVEMBER 1998. DESPITE PLAYER HATERS, WE WILL PULL OFF NEW YEARS EVE THIS YEAR. EXPECT THE WEB SITE TO BE FULLY REINSTATED ON TUESDAY 12 DECEMBER 2000: WWW.X313.COM. PEACE OUT RANX __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Black Odyssey - The Stand
... is finally here. Come on Mr postman, bring me that baby! Dan http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1267/index.html http://www.mp3.com/DanButler
Re: [313] err...
imitating Bobby DeNiro from Analyze Me: Youyouyou're good!!! =) g l y p h In a message dated 12/7/00 10:16:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: darw_n and mee-thod wrote: the techno movement arose from the youth of detroit seeking to locate themselves in a future that was different from the urban decay of the present. *cue mental image of Belleville* LOL! and indeed, this is the same sentiment that has permeated all of rave and techno... Which contradicts your theory of the techno movement having no unifying principles So which one is it? I'll even further that by saying that techno and rave exists in its strength that it does because this generation, and the last generation has felt nothing but apathy and boredom, techno was born... Quite the contrary. Techno was born because there were people that were *not* apathic, because there were people that heard a certain sound and ran with it. People that were actively pursuing a goal, because there were people that just went out and made music, set up labels and distribution companies, DJed, threw parties and whatnot, all just for the fun of it. People that stuck with it, despite odds being stacked heavily against them in the 80s and early 90s. Techno exists in its current form and strength mainly because the distinction between producer and consumer (both in the broad sense of the word) is blurred, as opposed to the regular pop scene. As long as we can keep that distinction blurry, then techno can generate dozens of Rolling Stone covers, MTV awards, car commericals and whatnot, and it will still be techno. It is what it is. Otto
Re: [313] MOODYMANN in London NYE
Personally I have to say that I DO have confidence that this will come off. I'll be very disappointed if there is no live show, though, as happened in '98, when hundreds paid a hefty ticket fee and made it down to London for what turned out to be (highly enjoyable) a DJs-only session, only to find out that UR played live at 69 in Glasgow two days later for a handful of people. Ideally, I'm hoping that UR and Drexciya both play live... But I have to say that I think calling people on this list 'player haters' (ahem) just because they express doubts about everyone on the bill making it over is a little out of order. Everyone on this list will have had experience of big-name DJs not showing up at some point or other. Oh, and if anyone saw the feature on Moodymann in the new Slut, they may have noticed that Ranx is described as 'the only UK promoter to have brought Moodymann to the UK to DJ', which isn't strictly true. I saw him spin at Pure at The Arches in Glasgow in about '96 where I believe he was a last minute replacement for Terrence Parker who couldn't attend due to the then-recent death of Ken Collier. Wicked night, that: K Hand, Memory Foundation, Sativa, KDJ, TB... TOM IN RESPONCE TO YOUR MAIL FRANK JACK DANIEL, I AM THE PROMOTER WHO STAGED 3 CHAIRS, I AM THE SAME PROMOTER WHO PULLED OFF INTERSTELLAR FUGITIVES IN LONDON AND GLASGOW IN NOVEMBER 1998. DESPITE PLAYER HATERS, WE WILL PULL OFF NEW YEARS EVE THIS YEAR. EXPECT THE WEB SITE TO BE FULLY REINSTATED ON TUESDAY 12 DECEMBER 2000: WWW.X313.COM. PEACE OUT RANX __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Black Odyssey - The Stand
Yeah, but I didn't think it was all that. It's the hi-NRG bassline I couldn't live with. Haven't heard the album yet, though. BUT, on the Pullen tip, Virgin just announced that a new Stacey P single, 'Vertigo', will be released here (UK) on 12th Feb. Two tracks: 'Vertigo', comes as album version, radio edit and 4 Hero mix, and 'Juke', with album version and Dave Angel mix. This will be followed by an album, 'Today Is The Tomorrow You Were Promised Yesterday' on 26th Feb. ... is finally here. Come on Mr postman, bring me that baby! Dan
RE: [313] MOODYMANN in London NYE
As some listmembers already know I have squeezed the last out of my piggy bank to go to London to see UR live. I also arranged for a feature on the party in Bassic Groove, the leading Dutch dance mag. This London-trip is an extremely costly endeavour for me and my friends especially with the exchange rate for the £ being so high. You can imagine how disappointed we all would be if UR would not perform. I guess a lot of us, some more than others, are really waiting for a 100%-sure confirmation. The party is going down in about three weeks. Isn't it time to put an end to the doubt and the rumours? John, concerned, out Personally I have to say that I DO have confidence that this will come off. I'll be very disappointed if there is no live show, though, as happened in '98, when hundreds paid a hefty ticket fee and made it down to London for what turned out to be (highly enjoyable) a DJs-only session, only to find out that UR played live at 69 in Glasgow two days later for a handful of people. Ideally, I'm hoping that UR and Drexciya both play live... But I have to say that I think calling people on this list 'player haters' (ahem) just because they express doubts about everyone on the bill making it over is a little out of order. Everyone on this list will have had experience of big-name DJs not showing up at some point or other. Oh, and if anyone saw the feature on Moodymann in the new Slut, they may have noticed that Ranx is described as 'the only UK promoter to have brought Moodymann to the UK to DJ', which isn't strictly true. I saw him spin at Pure at The Arches in Glasgow in about '96 where I believe he was a last minute replacement for Terrence Parker who couldn't attend due to the then-recent death of Ken Collier. Wicked night, that: K Hand, Memory Foundation, Sativa, KDJ, TB... TOM IN RESPONCE TO YOUR MAIL FRANK JACK DANIEL, I AM THE PROMOTER WHO STAGED 3 CHAIRS, I AM THE SAME PROMOTER WHO PULLED OFF INTERSTELLAR FUGITIVES IN LONDON AND GLASGOW IN NOVEMBER 1998. DESPITE PLAYER HATERS, WE WILL PULL OFF NEW YEARS EVE THIS YEAR. EXPECT THE WEB SITE TO BE FULLY REINSTATED ON TUESDAY 12 DECEMBER 2000: WWW.X313.COM. PEACE OUT RANX __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NYE/London
I'm getting closer to deciding on going... Any others? Caravan from Detroit, anyone? The cheapest flights seem to require leaving on Christmas, which is fine with me. I could see a week in the UK, maybe go north for a couple days... phred
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Re: [313] 313 Train Station.
there is one really great train station in detroit. of course, it's been closed for a LONG time... At 6:00 PM +0100 12/7/00, Miroslaw Milewski wrote: Hi, Would someone be so kind and tell me the name of the main train station in Detroit? TIA. -- Miro. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] 313 Train Station.
Yeah, that's true. When I was in da D me and my girlfriend took the train to Chicago. We were expecting a huge trainstation, but were surprised to see a itsybitsyteenieweenie station. Well, it's the Motor City for something right? J -Original Message- From: dr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:57 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] 313 Train Station. there is one really great train station in detroit. of course, it's been closed for a LONG time... At 6:00 PM +0100 12/7/00, Miroslaw Milewski wrote: Hi, Would someone be so kind and tell me the name of the main train station in Detroit? TIA. -- Miro. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] MOODYMANN in London NYE
Wooh... Somebody got out of bed the wrong side :) I have lost count of the number of times I have gone to see Moodymann only to hear he hasn't turned up. Well, I haven't actually... it's 2 times and 1 of them was at Space which does that a lot anyway. Nonetheless, it's a fairly reasonable doubt and it's not based on any player hating, just experience. In any case, I AM GOING TO BUY A TICKET TO THIS. I do have every faith in Ranx even if he is a grump, as the 3 chairs night was probably the best night out I have ever had in London and I know Frank Jack thinks the same too. So what else do you need to know? Well, I need to know where exactly to get tickets, is it only via the web site, or do they have them in Atlas, too? I hope to see you all there too, those of you that attain charitable status in time, of course. Jonny. IN RESPONCE TO YOUR MAIL FRANK JACK DANIEL, I AM THE PROMOTER WHO STAGED 3 CHAIRS, I AM THE SAME PROMOTER WHO PULLED OFF INTERSTELLAR FUGITIVES IN LONDON AND GLASGOW IN NOVEMBER 1998. DESPITE PLAYER HATERS, WE WILL PULL OFF NEW YEARS EVE THIS YEAR. EXPECT THE WEB SITE TO BE FULLY REINSTATED ON TUESDAY 12 DECEMBER 2000: WWW.X313.COM. PEACE OUT RANX
Re: [[313] 313 hoodies]
How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [313] MOODYMANN in London NYE
- Information: 020 7253 5511 (mon-fri 10am - 6pm) www.x313.com Transportation: nearest tube OLD STREET (northern line) Tickets £30.00 adv. (subject to booking fee and conditions) National Credit Card Hotline 020 7771 2000 (24hr) and www.ticketweb.co.uk. Ticket also available from selected shops nation wide and from the box office. Tickets available at face value from the box office 020 7253 5511. Postal bookings at £30.00 each plus booking fee (+ £3.50). Cheques made payable to X313. Enclose SAE and daytime phone number and send to: Transit, 22a Adeyfield House, Cranwood Street, Hoxton, London EC1V 9PD. Allow 28 days for delivery. - Atlas have tickets too, and I think some of the other usual spots in London do as well (Rough Trade?). If you buy from the Credit Card number they'll insist on sending the ticket special delivery, which is admittedly very fast, but you'll have to be in when it arrives to sign for it and it costs quite a bit for a mere bit of paper. One of the guys in Atlas said that the tickets were selling well. There was a poster up in the shop with all the relevent names featured. It's up to you at the end of the day. Everyone who's bought a ticket is facing the same risk - I don't think we can give you any more reassurance than we have received ourselves. I'm certainly not gonna spend the run up to this event worrying whether it will happen or not. As someone else said, I'm sure most people have been let down by no-shows before (anyone else get suckered into one of the Eclipse festivals??) - I reckon this one's worth taking a gamble on though... NC NC _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Stupid Question
Hello All: I am a native Detroiter. I love all the 313 artists that we talk about on this list. I am sad, jealous, and frustrated that everywhere else in the world gets to attend parties Djed' by these marvelous artists except those of us actually in the 313 I know that it's about radio, and major label support here in the US, for artists to succeed. But I refuse to accept the way things are now for what they will be from now on I love all kinds of music; Afrobeat, house, RB, rock, jazz, P-Funk and a little reggae. But why can't I go out right here in Detroit and see Moodymann??? The DEMF was an anomaly, and unfortunately I wasn't here for that but I did download lots of the archived webcasts (big-ups to Groovetech). But I know in the beginning Techno was something that lots of Black kids enjoyed at places like the Music Insititute. I never went but I got into house a few years later (Ken Collier). Now when I go see Derrick May at Motor it's mostly white kids with glowsticks. Now that's cool but I don't like the way it seems this music is marketed as being white and I know that has a lot to do with the bullshit at places like Vibe magazine. Then the Black kids think that techno is it Black enough like house??? I mean I understand if you just prefer house but it seems that lots of people are not even open to techno. It's like a lot of people black out on the fact that Ron Trent's biggest record Altered States was actually rooted in Detroit Techno??? See Juan Atkins' interview in URB millenium future issue. I just find the way things are to be kind of strange. It's just music made you to heal your body when you move??? and yet having a good party here is like finding a needle in a haystack. I went to Queens on Decks last night at the State Theater. The women played well, although I missed Dj Genesis. But no one was there But I also notice that with some not all white crowds, Derrick and others turn into a spectacle; i.e. there is more watching th edj by the sidelines rather than dancing. This music is for everyone and maybe if these media outlets weren't so full of it, we could all be at these parties together, like right here in Detroit. I'm really sad about the way it is in Detroit right now, but I will keep buying the records and going to the events. anybody have any thoughts they wanna share on this??? Peace, Five
RE: [313] Stupid Question
I am sad, jealous, and frustrated that everywhere else in the world gets to attend parties Djed' by these marvelous artists except those of us actually in the 313 The times we've been in Detroit i heard so many talented DJ's from the 313 area (famous and less-famous) it made me jealous, house and techno supossed to be big arround here in Europe but there are so many uninspired DJ's and producers. Anyway some of Hollands well known producers almost never play here (i.e Ferenc Miss Djax, hmmm that's a line-up you will proberly never see :-)) Now when I go see Derrick May at Motor it's mostly white kids with glowsticks. Now that's cool but I don't like the way it seems this music is marketed as being white and I know that has a lot to do with the bullshit at places like Vibe magazine. Then the Black kids think that techno is it Black enough like house??? I mean I understand if you just prefer house but it seems that lots of people are not even open to techno. It's like a lot of people black out on the fact that Ron Trent's biggest record Altered States was actually rooted in Detroit Techno??? See Juan Atkins' interview in URB millenium future issue.
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Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
assault and paris the black fu will be playing at club douala, ravensburg, germany, europe, planet earth, solar system ... at the 30th of december :- Maybe its just me, but i'm kinda surprised anyone on this list actually respects Paris. I'm sorry, but sandwiches was uninspiring, unimaginative, unfunny, and it almost made it on to MTV's TRL. I just remember reading a metrotimes review that said that their beat structure was nothing short of brilliant. what!? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies]
Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
i definitely think paris deserves respect. i thought sandwiches was funny, and I think it worked on a number of levels -- although if you fail to understand irony, I can see how you would disagree. On the one hand, the lyrics were funny in a totally up-front silly sort of way, in the same way that weird al yankovic is funny. but then I think paris and andy are funny in another way as well -- i think the pubahs' novelty songs are making fun of novelty songs. they're poking fun at weird al and that sort of goofy humour. their lyrics are self-referentially funny. when paris sings that lyric about making thighs like butter, he knows its silly, and he knows you know its silly, and he's making fun of himself singing this ridiculous lyric, that still is funny without any irony in it at all. also, i don't think a song loses its value just because it almost made it on MTV's TRL. And I like their beat structures. that's all -- Scribe Content dude Neksis EMC Inc. http://www.neksis.com -- From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_ Date: Fri, Dec 8, 2000, 10:38 AM Maybe its just me, but i'm kinda surprised anyone on this list actually respects Paris. I'm sorry, but sandwiches was uninspiring, unimaginative, unfunny, and it almost made it on to MTV's TRL. I just remember reading a metrotimes review that said that their beat structure was nothing short of brilliant. what!? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Some difficulties
The 313 server seems to be having some problems right now. My question is, does anyone else know if there is someone else we should be contacting, or is everyone else except a handful of us getting through fine? ever since i joined this list i've noticed that i haven't been recieving all of the posted messages in my inbox. for example, i often see new posts when people reply with the original message text. kyle
Re: [Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_]
Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: assault and paris the black fu will be playing at club douala, ravensburg, germany, europe, planet earth, solar system ... at the 30th of december :- Maybe its just me, but i'm kinda surprised anyone on this list actually respects Paris. I'm sorry, but sandwiches was uninspiring, unimaginative, unfunny, and it almost made it on to MTV's TRL. I just remember reading a metrotimes review that said that their beat structure was nothing short of brilliant. what!? What?!?!? you say ...Respect yes! Agree with the tactics of mtv/jive records/TRL etc . ..no FYI.. everyone is worthy of respect if we think that we ,ourselves deserve repect Sandwiches...ummm I've heard an awful lot of awful records released this past year that where ..uninspiring,unimaginative .. and just plain junk! At least sandwiches makes me smile :) _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
RE: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies]
anyone seen me wearin that 313-towel wit style in the de-bug this month? 154
RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear
Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear
What constitutes Dj Ho gear? -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear
Hey, your the expert! ;-) Naughty J out -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear What constitutes Dj Ho gear? -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear
The towel... 154
Re: [Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear]
1.wasnt tring to imply you or anybody is a dj ho 2. this is in reference to a previous thread, and it turned into a joke reagrding the whole 313 hoodie thing.. P.s. There could be Dj ho gear .. you make the clothes people will by i.e. Ekko etc.. Rachael Ann Stiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What constitutes Dj Ho gear? -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [313] HO Gear
ho gear: shiny pleather pants, tiny top (no bra), blank stare... go to motor sometime if you're in the detroit area, i've seen a guy get a lap dance there before ani (bitter in the morning) record time [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq# 33610265 ph 810.775.1550 fax 810.775.5830 - Original Message - From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear What constitutes Dj Ho gear? -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear]
I know. I wasn't offended or anything. I just wanted to see what you might suggest.I guess just the thong would do. OK, this is way off topic -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.wasnt tring to imply you or anybody is a dj ho 2. this is in reference to a previous thread, and it turned into a joke reagrding the whole 313 hoodie thing.. P.s. There could be Dj ho gear .. you make the clothes people will by i.e. Ekko etc.. Rachael Ann Stiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What constitutes Dj Ho gear? -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
i definitely think paris deserves respect. i thought sandwiches was funny, and I think it worked on a number of levels -- although if you fail to understand irony, I can see how you would disagree. Although this sounds like a stab at my intelligence, i'll ignore it. Could it be that i don't care for that kind of irony? On the one hand, the lyrics were funny in a totally up-front silly sort of way, in the same way that weird al yankovic is funny. I'll have to disagree with that one. Al was clever in his word choice. But i'll look at the rest of your arguement first. but then I think paris and andy are funny in another way as well -- i think the pubahs' novelty songs are making fun of novelty songs. I think they're attempting to be as stupid as possible in order to be funny, yes. When paris decides to show off his thong every chance he gets, he's attempting to be as stupid as possible in order to be funny. Maybe its just me, but i like my stupid humor to be borderline insane. Skits like poo boy on the kids in the hall would be a good example. But it seemed to me that the pubahs were going for this genius insanity style of humor, and fell short. but again, just matter or opinion. when paris sings that lyric about making thighs like butter, he knows its silly, and he knows you know its silly, and he's making fun of himself singing this ridiculous lyric, that still is funny without any irony in it at all. Same thing as above for me. If in fact they're going for that style of humor, i find them lacking on it. *shrug* also, i don't think a song loses its value just because it almost made it on MTV's TRL. And I like their beat structures. Ok, it doesn't lose its value? *WHEW*, good, now i can pull out my trance mix cds again, because they must be legit again. And i guess if you like their beat structure, that's ok. Personally, i find it over simplified, especially to the high detroit standards that we all supposedly have. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [Re: [Re: [313] RE:313 hoodies/313 HO Gear]]
Whew!! Just makin sure.. BTW add a contrasting colored feather boa to the thong thing and you'll be number one dj ho... :) Rachael Ann Stiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I wasn't offended or anything. I just wanted to see what you might suggest.I guess just the thong would do. OK, this is way off topic -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.wasnt tring to imply you or anybody is a dj ho 2. this is in reference to a previous thread, and it turned into a joke reagrding the whole 313 hoodie thing.. P.s. There could be Dj ho gear .. you make the clothes people will by i.e. Ekko etc.. Rachael Ann Stiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What constitutes Dj Ho gear? -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey how bout 313 Dj ho gear ?!?!?! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Ho! ;-))) -Original Message- From: Rachael Ann Stiegel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Re: [[313] 313 hoodies] ooh 313 thongI'm down. :) -Rachael On 8 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How bout ; should people that dont live in the 313 area code be able to buy a ' 313 hoodie' ..(sic) How bout 313 drawers..you know boxers? or even better 313 thongs!?!? 313 sox ...313 blankets ..313 ties ...!!313 bra's!?!?! I can see a whole ensemble, sprouting from this so everyone can look like they are from DetroitHow bout a 313 car?!?!---oh yeah got one of those already [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey what's up everyone? I decided to change the design of the hoodies after consulting with the designer..We decided to just got with 313 (at the bottom of the mail) embroidered on the left breast..NOW I have had people ask me if they could buy one YET they are not on the list, so im leaving it up to the list...SHOULD non listmembers be able to buy a 313 hoodie.(yes/no).. 95% cotton 5% polleyset black hoodies with 313 with white stitching embroiderd on the left breast. They are very nice and warm! Size Small-Xlarge $35+shipping/handling Size XXlarge-$40+shipping/handling Last ordering date December 14th next ordering date will be March 14th 313 TECHNO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
Jayson B. wrote: Maybe its just me, but i'm kinda surprised anyone on this list actually respects Paris. Paris gets respect for different reasons than Sandwiches. Sandwiches is *NOT* representative for Detroit Grand Pu-Bahs the group, nor is it representative of what Paris does as an artist (listen to his earlier releases on Throw, esp. The Stalker) or as a DJ (spinning everything from deep house to jungle, and all quality stuff). I'm sorry, but sandwiches was uninspiring, unimaginative, unfunny, and it almost made it on to MTV's TRL. Each to their own tastes of course. I personally thought it was quite hilarious, even though the novelty does wear off after a while (which is a characteristic of novelty, I guess %-) You have to admit though, that if it would've made TRL, it may have lead to 12-year-olds singing make you thighs like butter, easy to spread, which scores as high on the hilarity scale as Kent's little kid shouting I am the operator of my pocket calculator, thus scaring an unsuspecting elderly couple :) Cheers, Otto
Re: [313] Sensurreal
Phonopsia wrote: Well, I didn't buy it lately, but I did rediscover it. Chocolate Stuff anyone? Is Sensurreal still making break-y stuff, or have they stumbled back towards techno yet? Last time I heard anything from them (or Gerd for that matter) was over a year ago, so nothing quite recent. I wish they'd release something again, because their two previous albums are underrated classics IMO. Especially Astral Black off of The Occasional Series album is sheer brilliance. Cheers, Otto
oliver ho mix
Oliver Ho mix On-line: http://www.sonox.com/main/electronica/start.box ((: janos :))
Fwd: Re: [313] Stupid Question
- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: [313] Stupid Question Date: Friday, December 8, 2000 11:35:22 AM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. Our music isn't black enough. It's too fast, there's no rappin, mackin and pimpin in it, it's not urban enough. House is too gay. I have stopped worrying about it. If I was waiting to get paid from negroes, I'd be living under the overpass on I-75 and Mack. Or living in a refrigerator box like my man Jean-Michel Basquiat. Cats like Shake had a complex about no blacks buying our music (he is now over it) and me and Cornelius have had a running debate about it. It has to become ghettotech (or OutKast's Bombs Over Bagdad) for black folks to be even remotely interested. No thanks. Sure you can go see Detroit acts in Detroit, right at Motor. You had Larkin Pullen two Saturdays in a row. Temple, also on Thursdays. Or you can go to the next DEMF *gag*. a. In a message dated 12/8/00 12:17:21 PM, Glyph1001 writes: That's what I'm saying...I'm with him all the way on this...what about you? G. Forwarded message: Subj:[313] Stupid Question Date: Friday, December 8, 2000 7:34:37 AM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org In a message dated 12/8/00 7:34:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello All: I am a native Detroiter. I love all the 313 artists that we talk about on this list. I am sad, jealous, and frustrated that everywhere else in the world gets to attend parties Djed' by these marvelous artists except those of us actually in the 313 I know that it's about radio, and major label support here in the US, for artists to succeed. But I refuse to accept the way things are now for what they will be from now on I love all kinds of music; Afrobeat, house, RB, rock, jazz, P-Funk and a little reggae. But why can't I go out right here in Detroit and see Moodymann??? The DEMF was an anomaly, and unfortunately I wasn't here for that but I did download lots of the archived webcasts (big-ups to Groovetech). But I know in the beginning Techno was something that lots of Black kids enjoyed at places like the Music Insititute. I never went but I got into house a few years later (Ken Collier). Now when I go see Derrick May at Motor it's mostly white kids with glowsticks. Now that's cool but I don't like the way it seems this music is marketed as being white and I know that has a lot to do with the bullshit at places like Vibe magazine. Then the Black kids think that techno is it Black enough like house??? I mean I understand if you just prefer house but it seems that lots of people are not even open to techno. It's like a lot of people black out on the fact that Ron Trent's biggest record Altered States was actually rooted in Detroit Techno??? See Juan Atkins' interview in URB millenium future issue. I just find the way things are to be kind of strange. It's just music made you to heal your body when you move??? and yet having a good party here is like finding a needle in a haystack. I went to Queens on Decks last night at the State Theater. The women played well, although I missed Dj Genesis. But no one was there But I also notice that with some not all white crowds, Derrick and others turn into a spectacle; i.e. there is more watching th edj by the sidelines rather than dancing. This music is for everyone and maybe if these media outlets weren't so full of it, we could all be at these parties together, like right here in Detroit. I'm really sad about the way it is in Detroit right now, but I will keep buying the records and going to the events. anybody have any thoughts they wanna share on this??? Peace, Five - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Some difficulties
Half of my posts don't get through, and the other half get through really late... The ones that do get through, are usually accompanied bya EZMLM warning. And that swedish reply is VERY annoying Dennis From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Some difficulties Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 02:22:29 -0500 The 313 server seems to be having some problems right now. Some of my posts are coming through up to three days after I post them. I've noticed at least five other people complain of posts not coming through too. Problem for me is that I'm looking like a complete ass when my first comments on a subject come through three days after a thread starts, and I've already made a few follow-up posts. This is annoying. So... I emailed Matt McQueen today to see if he knows what's going on, but I know he's very busy and doesn't always get to his email right away. My question is, does anyone else know if there is someone else we should be contacting, or is everyone else except a handful of us getting through fine? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
metropolis
anyone heard the Jeff Mills soundtrack to Metropolis? d _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] metropolis
At 14:08 12/08/2000 -0500, Dharma nator wrote: anyone heard the Jeff Mills soundtrack to Metropolis? Yup! A beautiful and brillant soundtrack! Don't expect 60 minutes of banging techno. 4/4 beats are spotted on this CD, though ;-) R. *=- urL : http://www.casema.net/~rolando urL : http://www.mp3.com/scout303 icQ : 1D1243 (hexadecimal) -=*
Re: [313] metropolis
is the movie available to buy with the soundtrack on it? d From: Roland van Oorschot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dharma nator [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] metropolis Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:48:21 +0100 At 14:08 12/08/2000 -0500, Dharma nator wrote: anyone heard the Jeff Mills soundtrack to Metropolis? Yup! A beautiful and brillant soundtrack! Don't expect 60 minutes of banging techno. 4/4 beats are spotted on this CD, though ;-) R. *=- urL : http://www.casema.net/~rolando urL : http://www.mp3.com/scout303 icQ : 1D1243 (hexadecimal) -=* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] 313 Train Station.
there is one really great train station in detroit. of course, it's been closed for a LONG time... are you talking about that massive run down building next to a park? we took pictures and threw rocks into broken windows...but i hear this is some history there? anybody have stories of the parties that took place at amtrack? -v _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] DJ Assault - Live_wow_
Maybe its just me, but i'm kinda surprised anyone on this list actually respects Paris. I'm sorry, but sandwiches was uninspiring, unimaginative, unfunny, and it almost made it on to MTV's TRL. I just remember reading a metrotimes review that said that their beat structure was nothing short of brilliant. what!? It is. If you don't like it then go back to russia!
re: 313 FAQ
all I can say is stay tuned ... Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:46:08 +0100 To: 'Conway, Simon' [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] 313 FAQ Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt and Otto gave all their data from the original 313 FAQ to this guy who wrote this book called 'Techno Rebels' or so :) kj
Re: [313] 313 Train Station.
the same. lots of stories there but i don't know of any involving parties. --Original Message-- From: viagratek . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Sent: December 8, 2000 8:08:11 PM GMT Subject: Re: [313] 313 Train Station. there is one really great train station in detroit. of course, it's been closed for a LONG time... are you talking about that massive run down building next to a park? we took pictures and threw rocks into broken windows...but i hear this is some history there? anybody have stories of the parties that took place at amtrack? -v _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Unwind (unusual patterns)
in contrast to our regular schedule...
Unwind.
Delicate,jazzy,down-tempo beats
Sunday 12/10/00
Espresso Royale State Street
(across from the diag)
Spinning vinyl,playing CDs:
Rob Theakston (planetE/digital313(.com))
Bill Van_Loo (chromedecay(.org))
Diana Potts (baconeater/digital313(.com))
This Sunday 8-11pm
{changes are under way...stay alert}
Re: [313] metropolis
I have the 12, but I haven't seen the recut movie or heard the extended CD. The tracks on the 12 alternate between ambient background-type music, and danceable Purposemaker-style tracks. Its a must have for Purposemaker and early Axis fans. Definitely different than the Every Dog... series. The dancier tracks are quite rooted in sound, and have an almost airy quality to them, but it doesn't distract from the tracks. I can see how this would go well to a classic movie that has a look into the future in it. Dennis From: Dharma nator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] metropolis Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:08:26 -0500 anyone heard the Jeff Mills soundtrack to Metropolis? d _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
not black enough...
I agree. Our music isn't black enough. It's too fast, there's no rappin, mackin and pimpin in it, it's not urban enough. House is too gay. I have stopped worrying about it. If I was waiting to get paid from negroes, I'd be living under the overpass on I-75 and Mack. Or living in a refrigerator box like my man Jean-Michel Basquiat. This is something that really bothers me. Although I am white (or caucasian, or whatever) , I think that cultural diversity and a strong black influence are what make Detroits music excell. Think about this- how many cheesy trance djs or happy hardcore djs are black? Without the black influence, or any cultural influence on dance music, the music becomes bland, boring, and lame. One reason behind this, is that 90% of Americans think that techno or electronic music in general is a European thing. The mainstream music industry adapts to such a belief and markets thier product of dance music to a white audience. Its amazing how well this works, for even when you have an alleged underground rave scene which has grown nationwide, yet still attracts a largely white suburban audience- despite the fact that the music originated in Black communities, and despite the fact that ravers cling to that stupid, hypocritical slogan PLUR. Market segmentation, audience building, and stereotyping are very sucessful tools used by the media coroporations. To be able to go agianst the current black musician stereotype is VERY difficult. The media has burned in the minds of America's youth that black culture is all about chillin in the ghetto, and sex. A lot of these racist stereotypes have been around for hundreds of years. The current pimp stereotype of a black man is very insulting and dangerous as it is reminicent of the old stereotype of black men as sexual preditors. It was this stereotype that slowed the growth of early rock and roll, as parents were scared that thier young, teenage daughters were idolizing Black men. I recall Mos Def once saying that in the media, whenever you see a white pimp they are always running legal businesses, and they are always referred to as businessmen with a very professional appeareance. Black pimps however are always fitting the same stereotype, and are often linked with sexual violence. Sorry about this rant, I can go on about this forever. It just scares me that dance music MIGHT fall down the same path as rock, r'n'b, etc. It is already heading that way with trance. -christos
Re: [313] not black enough...
To be able to go agianst the current black musician stereotype is VERY difficult. The media has burned in the minds of America's youth that black culture is all about chillin in the ghetto, and sex. I digress. The media is not the only culprit in this stereotype. Black men themselves (and i'm not speaking for all of them), are more than helping along this stereotype. Last time i checked, noone was holding a gun to puff daddy or Jay z's head to write the music they do (or sample) or the video's they star in. I know i'm not quoting (i already deleted the quote from my message, and i'm too lazy to go back) directly, but does all of this mean that white producers have no credit what so ever? Has all the techno that those crazy swedes have been putting out been for nothing? Is Richie Hawtin a terrible producer because he's not black? Have whites no real creativity when it comes to dance music? I'm assuming you all answer no. And with that, i ask you another question: since trance is written dominantely by white people, does this reason alone make it uncredible? _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Some difficulties
I am looking into this, stay tuned. Thanks! Phonopsia wrote: The 313 server seems to be having some problems right now. Some of my posts are coming through up to three days after I post them. I've noticed at least five other people complain of posts not coming through too. Problem for me is that I'm looking like a complete ass when my first comments on a subject come through three days after a thread starts, and I've already made a few follow-up posts. This is annoying. So... I emailed Matt McQueen today to see if he knows what's going on, but I know he's very busy and doesn't always get to his email right away. My question is, does anyone else know if there is someone else we should be contacting, or is everyone else except a handful of us getting through fine? Tristan == PHONOPSIA[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 FrogboyMCI on AOL Instant Messenger Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done. - Yo La Tengo _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
