Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
there will be a new file format and it will have DVD quality sound. DIVX;), MPEG7?? darw_n its talking about SACD (super audio cd). There's two formats, but they do the exact same thing. and they're better than dvd sound. They just use a dvd player. Its a five channel format that if i remember correctly, is recorded at 96khz. Just to give you an idea: Neil Young has been opposed to Cds for the begining. hardly ANY of his material has been released on cd, because he feels the format is not of high enough quality. He is the biggest supporter of SACD. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
SFX investigation?
Regarding someone's post (Jeff Mills) and the legal venues run by SFX Entertainment... what is SFX being investigated for? just curious, Ken _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [313] SFX investigation?
Word from our hotlines is...anti-trust. SFX is owned Clear Channel which is a gigantic TV/Radio/Broadcast monopoly deciding not only what you are forced to listen to (clearly not dance-music...), but what will chart as a result of their choices for you, what you will be seeing in concert and where it will be (namely, their own venues) and how much you will be charged. Tink a bit y'all. Can anyone say Big Brother or culture control From: kenneth taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] SFX investigation? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:33:41 Regarding someone's post (Jeff Mills) and the legal venues run by SFX Entertainment... what is SFX being investigated for? just curious, Ken _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey
That's what I meant when I stated that I don't think turntablism is exhausted yet. The X-ecutioners did an album that had spoken word, songs, freestyle jazzy things, everything on it. It was REALLY good. Of late that scene has gone through a db phase - courtesy of DJ Craze - but there is room for it to evolve. Those events pull huge crowds here (thanx to local lad DMC runner-up Dexter). I don't see any of them getting with MP3s any time soon. - The DJ you mentioned that has designed a way of annotating scratches is Radar from Phoenix AZ.
Re: [313] Betr.: [313] jaguar sampling?
Nico AWTSVENTIN is an anagram of Vincent WATSON, so I'd say they're one and the same. Vince Watson's music definitely has roots in detroit. The lush strings and pads of his releases on ALOLA (UK) remind me of Derrick May. I haven't heard the song in question, but it wouldn't surrise me if it did sound a lot like Jaguar. -Dave ps Sutekh / Safety Scissors live/dj. Awesome. Anyone want a review? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
umm, art without expression is called engineering. and it's boring. From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JARED WILSON [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:49:47 -0800 Art in all forms is about expression. Expression by whom?? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
anybody who says that probably doesn't understand how cd's work. sorry, i think it's true. a lot of people will claim all sorts of BS about vinyl like its 'infinite bandwidth', blah blah... as far as accuracy goes, cd kills any other sort of standard audio format we've seen. some people don't value clinical accuracy, though... Mike From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:01:10 - there will be a new file format and it will have DVD quality sound. DIVX;), MPEG7?? darw_n its talking about SACD (super audio cd). There's two formats, but they do the exact same thing. and they're better than dvd sound. They just use a dvd player. Its a five channel format that if i remember correctly, is recorded at 96khz. Just to give you an idea: Neil Young has been opposed to Cds for the begining. hardly ANY of his material has been released on cd, because he feels the format is not of high enough quality. He is the biggest supporter of SACD. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
user remixes (extra strength recordings)
if this has been brought up, i apologize for being redundant. i was wondering who remixed what tracks. (there's no info on the label). thanks in advance, kyle
X-103 Atlantis CD
Can anyone out there who has this CD please tell me the exact time on this disc? Thanks, A Zed
small vinyl for sale list
Lisa - Jump Shout / Rocket To Your Heart [Unidisc] 12 1982 Disco $5 Giorgio Moroder - Foxes Soundtrack [Casablanca] 1980 2 X LP. Contains the killer 10 min Moroder Instrumental of 'Valley of the Dolls'. Inc. other tracks by Donna Summer, Keith Forsey. $10 Giorgio Chris - Love's in Me, Love's in You [Casablanca] 6 track LP in typical early 80's Moroder style - produced by Moroder Pete Bellotte. $7 Giorgio Moroder - Cat People Soundtrack [MCA] LP $5 Carole King - Disco Tech [Avatar] 12 1978 Disco $5 Hallelujah 2000 - [Casablanca] 12 Utterly bizarre 14 min disco version of Handel's Messiah $5 Man to Man Paul Zone - I Need a Man /Male Stripper [Bolts] 12 Hi-NRG anthem from 1987. $5 P.A. Presents - Flight Stimulator [U-Trax] 12 Classic Dutch techno on cult U-Trax label. 1994. $5 Jay Strongman - East West [Rhythm King] 12 Early house track from 1988. $5 The Twins - Until the End of Time [Hansa] LP from German new romantics. $5 Gino Soccio - S-Beat [RFC] 1980 Disco-Funk LP includes Heartbreaker I Wanna Take You There. $7 Cerrone - Where Are You Now [Record Shack] 12 1982 Vocal Instrumental Disco versions. $7 Human League - Open Your Heart/Non-Stop [Virgin] 12 Instrumental versions of these synth-pop classics. $5 Bronski Beat/Marc Almond - I Feel Love [Forbidden Fruit] 12 - Medley of Moroder/Summer tracks includes Love to Love You Baby. As played out by DJ Hell. $5 Nitzer Ebb - Join in the Chant [Mute] 12 - 3 Mixes by Flood, Daniel Miller Phil Harding. $5 ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) **
The not-so-new mp3 thingy
Has anyone considered the possibility that the Plus 8 folks might just be doing it to be the first? They always want to innovate, and they might see this as a way to lower people's inhibitions about embracing these new technologies, even if they aren't perfected yet. Can you imagine what their endoresement means to the developers who create this gear? Yes, it could all flop and die tomorrow, but with their endorsement, new, improved hard/soft combinations will come about. It's the same thing as waiting for that perfect interface for a soft synth. Let's not pretend vinyl's any more perfect than a CD, if nothing else from the perspective of an aspiring musician. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to get exposure if you didn't have to press vinyl? I imagine these are all things the Plus 8 crew have considered, and are integral to their use of these products. I seriously doubt that lugging vinyl around was a decisive factor for them, even if it makes the rest of us wimps jealous. As of late they have been about pioneering and breaking down barriers. Witness: a) Redux b) The Plus 8 Classics re-release c) DE909 All that said, it's seems like buying a 1.5 gig processor. I'm gonna wait for the bugs to get worked out, the price to come down and the user reviews to come in. Tristan -- Eleven mixes, one album, various tracks, pics and info here: http://phonopsia.tripod.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FrogboyMCI on AOL IM Deserve's Got Nothing to Do With it. -Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
The not-so-new mp3 thingy
Has anyone considered the possibility that the Plus 8 folks might just be doing it to be the first? They always want to innovate, and they might see this as a way to lower people's inhibitions about embracing these new technologies, even if they aren't perfected yet. Can you imagine what their endoresement means to the developers who create this gear? Yes, it could all flop and die tomorrow, but with their endorsement, new, improved hard/soft combinations will come about. It's the same thing as waiting for that perfect interface for a soft synth. Let's not pretend vinyl's any more perfect than a CD, if nothing else from the perspective of an aspiring musician. Can you imagine how much easier it would be to get exposure if you didn't have to press vinyl? I imagine these are all things the Plus 8 crew have considered, and are integral to their use of these products. I seriously doubt that lugging vinyl around was a decisive factor for them, even if it makes the rest of us wimps jealous. As of late they have been about pioneering and breaking down barriers. Witness: a) Redux b) The Plus 8 Classics re-release c) DE909 All that said, it's seems like buying a 1.5 gig processor. I'm gonna wait for the bugs to get worked out, the price to come down and the user reviews to come in. Tristan -- Eleven mixes, one album, various tracks, pics and info here: http://phonopsia.tripod.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FrogboyMCI on AOL IM Deserve's Got Nothing to Do With it. -Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Anyone know if he's coming to the 618??!
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Re: [313] old school
There are three great compilation cds in the British Mastercuts series -Classic House Mastercuts vols 1-3 (Beachwood) Vol 1 includes Satoshi Tomiie Tears, The Nightwriters Let The Music Use You, Joe Smooth Promised Land, Sterling Void It's Alright, Raze Break 4 Love, A Guy Called Gerald Voodoo Ray, Ce Ce Rogers Someday etc. Vols 2 and 3 are slightly less fantastic but great anyway. /Hansi --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: howdy folks recent posts about early chicago / detroit made me dig out some old chicago stuff like 'let the music move you' (nightwriters?) nitro deluxe 'on a mission'. truly wonderful stuff and yeah i always thought that the early d techno had a lot in common with this kind of stuff, eerie, sorta dubby, primitive. anyway ... i know there is a bit more of this that i have on this one old 'house sound of chicago' lp...anyone know if there are any good cd comps of this stuff? thanx. p-d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
Daft Punk - New Album
Daft Punk - New Album Discovery Track Listing : 01- One more time (feat. Romanthony) 02- Aerodynamic 03- Digital Love (feat. DJ Sneak) 04- Harder, better, faster, stronger 05- Crescendolls 06- Nightvision 07- Superheroes 08- High life ___ Do You Yahoo!? Envía mensajes instantáneos y recibe alertas de correo con Yahoo! Messenger - http://messenger.yahoo.es
re: brussels
Belgium-based 313-ers, It seems I'm going to be in brussels for a few days next month (9th - 11th). Any recommendations? (I'm already planning a trip to Fuse...). seth _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
I think the laptop/CD thing is just a different way than the vinyl method. Both have their pluses and minuses, though there is definately a nostalgic/stylistic tradition and huge storehouse of skills for the vinyl-playing DJ in the dance/electronic music scene. When electrified instruments came in the people playing acoustic instruments complained (others embraced the new technology and took music in a new directions). When synths came in those playing electrified instruments complained When samplers came in those playing synths complained... When DJs with their records came in Soon people will be nostalging about the good old 128k old skool mp3 sound, and how CPU glitches in a set added warmth and character.. and bitching about some new tech that has appeared on the scene and is taking all the art/warmth/whatever..
Surgeon mix from Karma is now online
Surgeon - Live @ Karma, Houston 1.5.2001 check it out @ www.hardrivefuture.com/karma and click on broadcast or http://www.hardrivefuture.com/karma/archive/surgeon_010501.ram enjoy. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Daft Punk Album
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Stacey Pullen LP
I had a listen to the new Stacey Pullen LP over the weekend (advance promo off a friend who's promoting it in the UK, it isn't out yet) and it is *incredibly* disappointing. Apart from the track that is due to be released as a single (with an opera vocal sample), which sounds like a progression of the Silent Phase ideas, it is almost entirely very turgid, run of the mill, dull attempts at instrumental hip hop/trip hop. What a shock to the system: a Stacey Pullen album I won't buy. Jonny.
RE: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
Since CDs have not replaced vinyl in the hands of true artists, this does not seem like it will or should either. Can you imagine Leonardo painting the Mona Lisa in Photoshop? Scott
Clubs in MI
Hi everyone! I'm new to the list. I'm from Offenbach, Germany (right next to Frankfurt) and live in Bay City, MI now (unfortunately). My question to you guys is: Where are the good techno clubs in my area? I'm looking for something comparable to the legendary Dorian Gray in Frankfurt. Maybe somebody can hook me up with a list including the clubs name, the kind of music that they are playing. the address and eventually their home page. I would greatly appreciate it. The only thing that keeps me from going insane here is Napster and http://www.radio-unity.net (check it out, awesome club tunes). Please somebody help me. Thanks guys, Dan Deussen
RE: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Spellman, Scott wrote: Since CDs have not replaced vinyl in the hands of true artists, this does not seem like it will or should either. Can you imagine Leonardo painting the Mona Lisa in Photoshop? No, because Photoshop is an image editor, not a creator. Fractal Painer (can't remember if it's just Painter now) might do the trick. But, anyway. Tools are just tools, it's how you use them that counts. J Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control. - UR
Motor tonight (Christian Vogel)
sorry if already posted SELECT (the new Tuesday night at the Motor Lounge) a special birthday party for Carlos Souffront featuring: Carlos (of course), Christian Vogel, Crizo and Brian Gillespie you know yo' ass wants to dance once a week Matthew Gerbasi |l| MediaVest Detroit |l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eliminate your ego by having self confidence without pride -- Basi
Detroit Volume (New Wednesday)
A new Wednesday has started at the Magic Stick (located in the Majestic Complex) FUTURE FUNKDEEP HOUSEHIP HOPEXPERIMENTAL Jan 24 Matt Chicoine aka Recloose (planet e) Tony Olivera (planet e) Joe Washington 5$ cover www.TheMagicStick.com Matthew Gerbasi |l| MediaVest Detroit |l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eliminate your ego by having self confidence without pride -- Basi
OT: Den Haag-Tampere Connection: Legowelt Orgue Electronique live
Fri 23 February 2001 Tulliklubi, Tampere, Finland A S T R O D I S K O I: live: Legowelt (Bunker Records, Holland) Orgue Electronique (Bunker Records, Holland) djs: Annie (Tellé Rec./Norway Loaded Rec./UK) Kauko Lampi (Op:l Bastards, Helsinki) mini (Club Telex, Tampere) pHinn (Club Telex, Tampere) Tickets 30 FIM http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/flyers/astrodisko.html --- e. rautio, also known as pHinn * the webmaster of pHinnWeb - the old skool, the nu skool * * and the pHuture skool of Finnish electronic music * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb *
Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of notating scratches? I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. PAY ATTENTION! THE PERFORMER STILL MUST BUILD A SET, MUST STILL PLACE THE NEEDLE ON A RECORD ON A TECHNICS 1200, MUST STILL MATCH BEATS, MUST STILL CREATE A MOMENTARY EVENT, MUST STILL LOOK FOR HO'S, MUST STILL TRY NOT TO KNOCK THE NEEDLE WHEN BLOWING COKE, MUST STILL DECIDE IF RECORD 'B' IS SUITABLE TO PLAY AFTER RECORD 'A', ETC ETC ET-FU**ING-CETERA. So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and finding some track and thinking oh yeah that's where I downloaded that stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and un-calculated. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. -- Oh my GodIf this is so important to you and there is a big enough market then I'm sure each unit will come with an ebony rod and a piece of rabbit fur so you can make all the static electricy you can manage, or just buy a nitrous balloon (empty it how you like, I don't care) reinflate the balloon, rub it on your head and then touch the leads on your equuipment, you'll get all the crackles your heart desires. Similarly if you really want crackles I'm sure someone will build you Kai's PowerCrackles for SoundForge. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track -- Imagine the joys of actually learning how to play the bass, and then play the piano, and then play the drums, and then putting it all together to make a song, not just press the Drums button and having instant rhythm. AND ANYWAY WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PUSHING BUTTONS?!?!?! This is not some button pushing technology, like all positive technologies it's a liberating technology, it liberates people from carrying lots of weight and protects them from possible paper cuts on sharp sleeves. Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. -- I agree, but I don't recall saying that Final Scratch connects to the Internet, downloads Paul Oakenfold set 01-01-01 and proceeds to play it allowing the DJ to wander off to the VIP room and get some oral sex treatment. Do
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RE: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
At 10:26 AM 2001-01-23, FC3 Richards wrote: the way computer technology has been going for the past 5 years MP3's will become outdated in the next 2 years. there will be a new file format and it will have DVD quality sound. What file format are you referring to, or are you making this up as you go? by 'dvd-quality-sound', you either mean 5.1 surround (which doesn't directly benefit this appliction, although might have neat uses), or the fact that each channel is 48khz (dat quality). CDs are 44.1khz, which is nearly indistinguishable from 48. IIRC, MP3 supports 48khz sampling rate files. If I'm wrong, and it 'only' supports 44.1khz, then it's still not that much of an audible difference. If you're talking about DTS, that's an entirely different can of worms and is still years off from having reasonably priced computer equipment that can input/output that kind of sound. and no one will want to use the present format anymore. MP3 supports the audio quality formats (16/48/stereo) that people have been using for years (15 years if you count 44.1, which is what CDs are). To claim it's going to just 'go away' in the next 2 is kind of absurd. vinyl has stood the test of time, and it isn't going to disappear anytime soon. As have CDs, which the huddled masses have eaten up as the end-all to audio quality. -j
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
I tried to send this yesterday, but it never showed. Then again about an hour ago. Nothing. Once is chance... Twice is coincedence... Three times means war, Mr. Bond... I ain't got nothing against technology. I think you're missing the point. Technology can make for better creativity or it can hamper it, it's not an either/or argument. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. I am sure the turntablism will change but in a way that the DJ is still DJing, not the computer programme. True, but I think you are mistaken. Is the master photographer who releases the shutter on his/her camera to take a picture not an artist? Painters of the day argued they weren't, but the world has since thought different. What about digital artists that use the keyboard and mouse on their computer to tap into their minds and create imagery that before could never be realized. Are they not artists? Strangely, early on it was the photographers who said they weren't-- How can this be art? The machine does all the work. --repeating the very same criticisms that were used to slag their own medium when it was first introduced. Hypocrisy... What about electronic producers overseeing an ensemble of gear full of 'buttons' with a 'computer program' in the center of it all? 99% of the music discussed on this list was created using these technologies. It is just another tool, making part of the process easier, so the artist can expand their vision even further than before. Just like all of them, there will be a lot of shiza artists (DJs) barely making a tangible piece of work (set) out of their gear, but a tasteful audience can discern a good artist from just a craftsman. Can we not tell the difference between a vacation snapshot, and the work of Robert Mapplethorpe? It will be the same with DJing. Developing a tool to make production easier means that the standards of quality for that medium have to be raised as well, and don't expect to hear the same DJ sets you've always heard. Expect more. Every tool or technology has its own individual quirks that, over time, the users get creative with, and give a whole new credibility to that same technology. When digital imagery first came out it was all pixelated and choppy looking. (E...) Everyone tried hard and fast to advance resolutions and quality to make the imagery look as 'real' as possible, and they achieved it-- but it's funny that now everyone is hungry for the old low-res graphics, and half the typefaces you see on Mtv lately are pixelated--qualities unique to that medium alone that have grown to be accepted. It's just evolution. New tools are developed, and new skills evolve to master those tools. Slowly they are assimilated... Of course, there are some that would argue that the DJ is nothing but a relay between the producers--the people that actually wrote all of the music the DJs play--and the audience... while the turntable is doing all the work! Can you say 'live set'? very big ;) Dale
losing control
talking of the Hood mix of this, i remember someone alledging that Hood submitted 7 mixes to Peacefrog. Go on Peacefrog - stick em out on doublepack! martin -- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:40:23 -0800 To: 313@hyperreal.org From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: big thanks!! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks for the almost unweilding response for my search for loosing control!! I got so many, and so fast!! darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Chicago comps on CD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recent posts about early chicago / detroit made me dig out some old chicago stuff... ...anyone know if there are any good cd comps of this stuff? thanx. Hansi Güçlüer mentioned the 3 classic comps from Mastercuts. Another extremely good set is from the not-so-classic LOW PRICE MUSIC label: the BEST OF HOUSE BEST OF ACID. Tracks on those are mainly licenced from Sherman's labels such as TRAX, Saber, Housetime etc, but there's few other goodies there as well. Rare Jack Frost, Hot Hanas Hula and DJ Pierre tracks can be found on the ACID comp. Rare On and on by Jessie Saunders, It's a mystery by Phase II and other house gems can be found on the HOUSE comp. There were 4 CDs in both series, each disc has 10 tracks. I think these releases were made strictly for cashing in; the makers propably paid Sherman some money and he handed some tapes and records to them and said: do what you wanna Some of the tracks on these CDs are lifted straight from vinyl;) But nevertheless all tracks are classic house in fine style. The good thing was the comps were cheap. I paid about $15.00 for both series (that's 8xCD)!!! Proffit __ Get Your FREE Web-based e-mail at http://www.truthmail.com ...changing e-mail forever. Find out where music is going! http://www.radiou.com Check out this guy! http://www.ccci.org/whoisjesus/
Re: [313] Stacey Pullen LP
My remarks about Pullen's new LP weren't too descriptive, sorry. There's signature Stacey Pullen all over it but it just lacks the kind of warmth you'd associate with previous output. A lot of tracks are similar in style to the Daphreephunkateerz breaks tracks (one of which appears on his DJ Kicks) and occasional interludes attempt Innerzone Orchestra fusion but it all just fails so miserably for me to reach any of those standards. It's just p*ss-poor lifestyle music. For a producer that used to epitomise the soulful side of techno Pullen's produced an album almost entirely lacking in just that: soul. Because I was so shocked by how poor I thought this album was, I brought The Theory of Silent Phase into work to listen to today and it breaks my heart to think Stacey can't made an album anywhere even close to as beautiful as that. Where has all the emotion and warmth gone? I noticed Cyclone Wehner remarked a while back that this new album was great, had you heard it or had you just heard the up and coming single? Still in a state of shock... Jonny. np: Theory of Silent Phase. I had a listen to the new Stacey Pullen LP over the weekend (advance promo off a friend who's promoting it in the UK, it isn't out yet) and it is *incredibly* disappointing.
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
So with Final Scratch nothing has changed about DJing? What about picking up a 12 black circular piece of vinyl, putting it on a rotating wheel, seeing where the grooves for the tracks and breaks are, putting the needle on the record, listening for cue points, pre-matching the turntable speed to align the incoming track for beatmatching, and then, you know, mixing? I'm saying nothing against the new stuff like Final Scratch. It is *new*. It is not a substitute for vinyl mixing with two turntables, *even using the same program material*. I've been a vinyl DJ for going on 27 years now (with a big break between my college radio days and restarting in 1993), and that's not going to stop. Just like people didn't stop using acoustic guitars because Les Paul and Leo Fender figured out a good way to put electric pickups on them, and then Jimi Hendrix turned the world upside down the way no acoustic can. It's not like I'm against technological advancement. I bought a Denon CD mixer when that unit first hit the market. Then I sold it within a year, even though it's more portable, more flexible and arguably a better overall unit than a cruddy old 1200 turntable. The point of things like Final Scratch should not be to play the same old stuff we do on turntables. That stuff co-evolved with turntables and DJ styles and audiences, and won't translate all that effectively to a new technology. That's what I learned from my Denon. I'm a little tired of the zealotry on all sides of the issue. It's tiresome enough from the vinyl die-hards, who claim to see nothing useful in the newer interactive approaches. It's downright silly coming from the people who claim that on-screen mixing is somehow totally superior to everything that's ever come before it. We can't hold back the future. Leo Fender couldn't have predicted Jimi, and the Technics designers in 1971 couldn't have predicted hip hop, house and turntablism. Why would we want to constrain the future of computer-based musical montage, whatever that turns out to be? phred
funny (politics/off topic)
it's just too amusing not to share... http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/23/bush.keyboards.reut/ sorry for the off topic d __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Fw: ADULT on Virtual FM
hi all, thought this might be of interest... peter - Original Message - From: Virtual FM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: ADULT on Virtual FM www.virtualfuturemusic.com Dear Friends, Special Guest of the week is ADULT of Ersatz Audio, Detroit. The one hour DJ mix is a selection of some of the finest pieces of electronic music, featuring Drexciya, UR, Throbbing Gristle...(full tracklisting on the web site). New DJ mix from Virtual FM resident Ben Long of The Space DJz. The techno mix is taken from a live set in Belgium, featuring tracks from Umek, Chris McCormack, etc. Plus an electronic mix from Virtual FM resident Paula Temple. Due to popular request, the mix is taken from a DJ set performed at Voodoo in Liverpool (UK), featuring tracks from Boards of Canada, UR, Technasia, etc. You will need Realplayer to listen to the online sessions. New Competition: win promo copies of the new KRUTON EP featuring an AUTECHRE remix and the new RUE EAST EP featuring a remix from MARK BROOM. Many Thanks How to Unsubscribe... If you do not want any more updates from the Virtual FM mailing list, please hit the REPLY button and type in the SUBJECT box unsubscribe me. V I R T U A L F U T U R E M U S I C Virtual FM PO Box 1774 Sheffield S2 5YP UK url ::: www.virtualfuturemusic.com email ::: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax ::: +44 (0)114 2701127
motor on the web
does Motor have a website, and if so what is the address? thanks, Dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] motor on the web
In a message dated 1/23/01 4:08:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does Motor have a website, and if so what is the address? thanks, Dharma www.motordetroit.com
deep dish
what can anybody out there tell me about deep dish. a bunch of friends have convinced me to go to motor this friday to see them, and i've heard of them, but know nothing about them. dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] deep dish
http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll think:YoshiToshi if you type in Deep Dish at http://www.msn.com the same bio will come up as well as sound samples. If you want more sound I'd check out amazon.com they probably have sound bites as well. --- Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what can anybody out there tell me about deep dish. a bunch of friends have convinced me to go to motor this friday to see them, and i've heard of them, but know nothing about them. dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
mastering the sound
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Surgeon - Live @ Karma, Houston.mp3
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Re: [313] deep dish
http://www.deepdish.com :) From: Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] deep dish Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:25:40 -0500 what can anybody out there tell me about deep dish. a bunch of friends have convinced me to go to motor this friday to see them, and i've heard of them, but know nothing about them. dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. Well man since you quote my crap as call it maybe you should keep in mind that I never cite Toffler, Blade Runner, et al. I stick to my words. I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: Well I have a scholarship-based first class hons degree in English at the Australian equivalent of an Ivy League University so maybe you should freakin' hold off on the presumptions. *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. And you think that change in set up wouldn't impact on DJing? Do we have to spell it out for you? So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and finding some track and thinking oh yeah that's where I downloaded that stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and un-calculated. I stand by my words, you don't have a clue. Either that or you are a salesman for it. You sound like one of the iMac sales people when I put it to them that the iMac has been an absolute disaster and there had been a cover up and they denied it, made sexist accusations, etc. Next day the company posted it's finincial report, not good. Whole universities are trashing them etc - my research background came up with some embrassing info for them, too. Why are you so damn overwrought over it. Up until now it was a good discussion and very interesting. Just maybe you failed to explain it properly. But I stick by my POV and won't be intimidated by this nonsense. I know PLENTY of good international DJs would agree -- The modern DJ is a product of evolution, the future DJ will also be. As for house DJ's, the main propent of this system is Acquaviva, last I checked he was pretty house maybe he's changed in the last three weeks. Sure, he's house but he is not part of the house tradition that takes in MAW, Francois K, etc. Good GOD, if you people can't deal with technological and social change now I'd hate to see you when you're 50+. Well you can't tolerate discussion, other POV, and that's real sad. Lighten up! Cheers Cyclone
Re: [313] deep dish
You should check the Junk Science album. Should be easy to find. I'm iffy on about half of the vocal tracks on there, but they offer dubs of some of those too, which are much better IMO. I hear they've gone a bit progressive as of late, although I haven't seen as much personally. The biggest tragedy of living near DC is that they almost never play here. For a long time, they made some of the deepest house music you could find, although their output has been reduced almost exclusively to remixes over the last few years from what I can tell. Tristan -- Eleven mixes, one album, various tracks, pics and info here: http://phonopsia.tripod.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FrogboyMCI on AOL IM Deserve's Got Nothing to Do With it. -Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven -Original Message- From: Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [313] deep dish what can anybody out there tell me about deep dish. a bunch of friends have convinced me to go to motor this friday to see them, and i've heard of them, but know nothing about them. dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Well man since you quote my crap as call it maybe you should keep in mind that I never cite Toffler, Blade Runner, et al. I stick to my words. I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: Well I have a scholarship-based first class hons degree in English at the Australian equivalent of an Ivy League University so maybe you should freakin' hold off on the presumptions. *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. And you think that change in set up wouldn't impact on DJing? I disagree. So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and finding some track and thinking oh yeah that's where I downloaded that stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and un-calculated. I stand by my words. Are you a salesman for it? You sound like one of the iMac sales people when I put it to them that the iMac has been an absolute disaster and there had been a cover up and they denied it, made sexist accusations, really got worked up, etc. Next day the company posted its financial report, not good. Whole universities are trashing them etc - my research background came up with some embrassing info for them, too. Why are you so damn overwrought over it. Up until now it was a good discussion and very interesting. Just maybe you failed to explain it properly. But I stick by my POV and won't be intimidated by this nonsense. I know PLENTY of good international DJs would agree. Lighten up! Cheers Cyclone
RE: [313] deep dish
i heard them at 1015 folsom in sf a few months ago (i was there to hear carl craig spin in the upstairs lounge; he played track three off the new photek album, glamourama, and made my night) and i wasn't that impressed. i dug their junk science album and have liked some of their other productions, but their set at 1015 seemed big, empty and boring. then again, maybe it was just the venue. brian dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:55 PM To: Dharma Fowler; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] deep dish You should check the Junk Science album. Should be easy to find. I'm iffy on about half of the vocal tracks on there, but they offer dubs of some of those too, which are much better IMO. I hear they've gone a bit progressive as of late, although I haven't seen as much personally. The biggest tragedy of living near DC is that they almost never play here. For a long time, they made some of the deepest house music you could find, although their output has been reduced almost exclusively to remixes over the last few years from what I can tell. Tristan -- Eleven mixes, one album, various tracks, pics and info here: http://phonopsia.tripod.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] FrogboyMCI on AOL IM Deserve's Got Nothing to Do With it. -Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven -Original Message- From: Dharma Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: [313] deep dish what can anybody out there tell me about deep dish. a bunch of friends have convinced me to go to motor this friday to see them, and i've heard of them, but know nothing about them. dharma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] funny (politics/off topic)
In a message dated 1/23/01 1:34:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it's just too amusing not to share... http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/23/bush.keyboards.reut/ sorry for the off topic d Ah Hah Whatever...Bush. If you want funny...this is funny!!! =D The Kennebunkport Hillbilly (sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies Theme Song) (taken from AOL's politican message board...those people on there are off the hook!) Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush. He drank like a fish while he drove all about. But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out. DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up. Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale. He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke. Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy. The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. Kin folks say, George, stay at home with Mom. Let the common people get maimed and scarred. We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard. Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy. Twenty years later George gets a little bored. He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. He said, Now the White House is the place I wanna be. So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP. Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms. Come November 7, the election ran late. Kin folks said Jeb, give the boy your state! Don't let those colored folks get into the polls. So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes. Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade. Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in. Told all the voters Hey, we want George to win. Stop counting votes! was their solemn invocation. And that's how George finally got his coronation. Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority. Y'all come vote now. Ya hear? Paid for by the Katherine Harris Foundation for Corrective Plastic Surgery. cheers, glyph
Re: [313] Stacey Pullen LP
I noticed Cyclone Wehner remarked a while back that this new album was great, had you heard it or had you just heard the up and coming single? Still in a state of shock... I had a copy of it, but minus the art work, in Sept. I really love it. It reminds me of the Laurent Garnier album which was one of my albums of 2000. I expect it will divide fans who liked Silent Phase but he clearly wants to move on. I hear the continuity myself.
Re: [313] Offlist
Ooops that was the private version I posted in my haste. Apologies all round.
Re: [313] Stacey Pullen LP
It's not a sample, baby, it's a real opera singer. Me, I love it but you all know that. The single got a good review in The Face too, incidentally, by someone who obviously knows their stuff. I had a listen to the new Stacey Pullen LP over the weekend (advance promo off a friend who's promoting it in the UK, it isn't out yet) and it is *incredibly* disappointing. Apart from the track that is due to be released as a single (with an opera vocal sample), which sounds like a progression of the Silent Phase ideas, it is almost entirely very turgid, run of the mill, dull attempts at instrumental hip hop/trip hop. What a shock to the system: a Stacey Pullen album I won't buy.
Re: [313] Anyone know if he's coming to the 618??!
Australia. Tresor National Tour will comence on Feb 24th in Melbourne at Konsept 0001 featuring Pacou from Tresor/LL Germany. Perfoming a DJ and live set.
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
True, but I think you are mistaken...What about digital artists that use the keyboard and mouse on their computer to tap into their minds and create imagery that before could never be realized. Are they not artists?.How can this be art? The machine does all the work. --repeating the very same criticisms that were used to slag their own medium when it was first introduced. Hypocrisy... What about electronic producers overseeing an ensemble of gear full of 'buttons' with a 'computer program' in the center of it all? 99% of the music discussed on this list was created using these technologies. It is just another tool, making part of the process easier, so the artist can expand their vision even further than before. Just like all of them, there will be a lot of shiza artists (DJs) barely making a tangible piece of work (set) out of their gear, but a tasteful audience can discern a good artist from just a craftsman. \ Of course, there are some that would argue that the DJ is nothing but a relay between the producers--the people that actually wrote all of the music the DJs play--and the audience... while the turntable is doing all the work! Can you say 'live set'? Nicely put. It is a matter of degrees. I don't think I am hypocritical as I am arguing within the genre as it were but I do see a lot of programmed music out there and it would be a shame for that to extend to DJing. I guess for any of us to truly understand the finalscratch we would need a demo of it but from what I have read it sounds like it's cutting corners technology rather than technology that opens up new creative opportunities. No one who knows me would say I am some traditionalist at all but if you got swamped with the numbers of crap join the dot trance recs I do every week you would be fearful too. But in the end the hard reality is that the market will decide. Certainly if Richie and John are in favour of such new technologies then that is a good endorsement as I believe they have integrity but I am still not sold. Maurice Fulton creates all his music on just a powerbook and a keyboard which is incredible, very simple set-up, and his music is great, so I am not slagging off simpler set-ups. He can take it on a plane and work on tracks! That is cool, right?
Re: (G-TECH) record stores in Houston,Tx
--- Jonny Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go search out Chemistry records. I've only been there once, but the one time I was there they had a great selection. It's on Westheimer somewhere(I think). There are a couple Houstonites on the list, I'm sure they can give you more specifics. or you can go to Industry Sounds outside loop 610 also on Westheimer. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] Anyone know if he's coming to the 618??!
yeah he wants to know if he'll be in adelaide :::Australia. ::: ::: Tresor National Tour will comence on Feb 24th in Melbourne at :::Konsept 0001 ::: featuring Pacou from Tresor/LL Germany. Perfoming a DJ and live set.
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
Being a huge Mac fan, please explain the reasons for the absolute disaster and what cover-up?...even though I would never change alliances or use anything else other than Apple Mac products. I'm sure that not every product or company is perfect, including PCs but still would like to know. Think different... glyph( a machead that's keeping it real.) P.S. sorry for the irrelevance folks, my curiosity got the best of me. response can be private. In a message dated 1/23/01 4:55:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I stand by my words. Are you a salesman for it? You sound like one of the iMac sales people when I put it to them that the iMac has been an absolute disaster and there had been a cover up and they denied it, made sexist accusations, really got worked up, etc. Next day the company posted its financial report, not good. Whole universities are trashing them etc - my research background came up with some embrassing info for them, too. Why are you so damn overwrought over it. Up until now it was a good discussion and very interesting. Just maybe you failed to explain it properly. But I stick by my POV and won't be intimidated by this nonsense. I know PLENTY of good international DJs would agree.
Re: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing)
this is, by FAR, the funniest post of the year!! I am going to carry bony and rabbit fur everywhere I go!! I swear, this is getting printed and going on the wall or something... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - Original Message - From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: [313] Haha, you are so lame!! (was future of DJ'ing) I can't believe the things I read on this list. This list, which uses the works of Alvin Toffler in vain and frequently evokes the imagry of Blade Runner and music created in a present future dystopia, and then I read crap like this: Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of notating scratches? I also sometimes wonder about about the reading ability of people on this list. I seem to recall saying the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Do you people have that much difficulty with English? Is the Aussie dialect really that difficult that it doesn't penetrate the quoted sentence? I will break down the sentence: *the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes* - this implies there is only one aspect, but there are actually two, now I see why you are all confused. *is the carrying of vinyl* - this is aspect one, the DJ doesn't have to carry around as much vinyl anymore. How much less is up to the individual. *and selecting of tracks to play* - this is the other aspect, the DJ no longer has to flip through a box of records. PAY ATTENTION! THE PERFORMER STILL MUST BUILD A SET, MUST STILL PLACE THE NEEDLE ON A RECORD ON A TECHNICS 1200, MUST STILL MATCH BEATS, MUST STILL CREATE A MOMENTARY EVENT, MUST STILL LOOK FOR HO'S, MUST STILL TRY NOT TO KNOCK THE NEEDLE WHEN BLOWING COKE, MUST STILL DECIDE IF RECORD 'B' IS SUITABLE TO PLAY AFTER RECORD 'A', ETC ETC ET-FU**ING-CETERA. So with that out of the way and because I am bored and incredulous I will respond to each of these in order. Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. -- How the hell is looking through a box for something you can't find and maybe left at home part of any artform?!? And is this any different than the DJ looking through the porn folder on their computer and finding some track and thinking oh yeah that's where I downloaded that stupid thing, my mouse must have slipped while I was typing with one hand, lemme play this now because I am so spontaneous and un-calculated. The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate. -- Oh my GodIf this is so important to you and there is a big enough market then I'm sure each unit will come with an ebony rod and a piece of rabbit fur so you can make all the static electricy you can manage, or just buy a nitrous balloon (empty it how you like, I don't care) reinflate the balloon, rub it on your head and then touch the leads on your equuipment, you'll get all the crackles your heart desires. Similarly if you really want crackles I'm sure someone will build you Kai's PowerCrackles for SoundForge. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track -- Imagine the joys of actually learning how to play the bass, and then play the piano, and then play the drums, and then putting it all together to make a song, not just press the Drums button and having instant rhythm. AND ANYWAY WHO
