[313] packard pictures.
http://www.craps36.com/packard/index.htm -a.miyamoto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] TekNet live set archives?
Anyone archived the live sets that get put up once a week at www.TekNet.CH? http://www.teknet.ch/liveset.htm Currently there's a Speedy J live radio broadcast from 2 weeks ago ... Previous available sets have included Joey Beltram, Thomas Krome, Technasia, DJ Rush, Sven Vaeth, Luke Slater, Monika Kruse, Dave Angel, Gaetano Parisio, The Advent, Steve Bicknell, Cristian Varela, Adam Beyer, G-Force, Steve Rachmad, Jeff Mills and Richie Hawtin ... I wanna hear! - Greg (who's crying 'cos he missed the "Songs that make you" thread) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Techno in a Critical Moment?
On Saturday, June 15, 2002, at 10:32 AM, LR2 wrote: On a totally different tangent but somewhat related (at least in my feeble mind), I saw the documentary film "Dogtown and Z-Boys" and not only was it visually really enjoyable, but I was really struck by the parallels that could potentially be drawn between Detroit and Santa Monica California where these skaters/surfers lived in. I've sorta never wanted to draw this correlation, but i was a skater for about 15 years, most of it in detroit, and this whole thing had a lot of parallels for me. recording Wizard sets off of JLB and listening to them in the car on the way to some skate spot was a big part of my early adolescence. as was the majestic, 1515, 1315, shelter, packard, or many other places at night after a day of skating. there were plenty of times we were out there skating the curbs behind st. andrews, or across the street, waiting for the appropriate time to go in. it was completely surreal to go to DEMF this year and see people jammed into the underground stage, dave clarke giving an absolute clinic, and to see so many people standing on those rectangular concrete benches that are covered in wax and wheel marks that we put there years ago. ironically, not too long ago a good friend of mine said something about techno and skating that i thought was incredibly dead-on: "if techno is following a path like the skate scene did the hensley era just ended switch isn't even on the radar alva is still tough and powell is still a pretty boy and no one has a clue what's going on - or next" incidentally, i live in santa monica now. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Sean Deason @ blue room last night
great set, exactly the track selection I was looking for last night. blue room is CHI and it was empty which was nice, to sit back, drink fresh brewed beer (brewery below the blue room) have some nice conversation and hear some great music. I recommend that some of you go over to this place, as its a weekly thing I believe. I mean, come on, its 5 bux to get in. Sean plays all these wicked tracks and you chill and drink yummy beer. whats wrong with that? :) -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Techno in a Critical Moment?
> They specifically mentioned the day that a skater (Tony Alva if I recall > correctly) went over the lip of a pool and move skating into the realm > of vertical tricks. This handful of skaters pretty much singularly > redefined what skateboarding is. old skater here thats an ollie, invented by alen "ollie" gelfand I used to have a better store bookmarked but I lost it, it had some picture of the guy. Then came another seminal moment, one that would catapult skateboarding out of the world of surfer boys. In the late 1970s a Floridian named Alan "Ollie" Gelfand invented a new move -- soon to be known as the "ollie." He tapped the tail of the board down and jumped in the air with the front foot sliding forward. This launched the board over immovable objects, such as benches and walls. Why surf when you could fly, if only over a curb? http://www.discovery.com/stories/history/toys/SKATEBOARD/shoulda.html scotto lansing, mi ps. the ron allen king size and mike valilay double kick are my favorite boards useless wooden toys best video, followed close by speed freaks andy mcdonald best local skater (from e. lansing, resides in ann arbor, last I knew) shawn sheiffy (sp?) and bill danforth are up there two lansing just got a concert skatepark designed by the famed tim paine (sp?) wish it was ten years ago when my bones could take the beating. ok I'll stop remminishing and get back to techno to make some reveilence tonight in lansing if you are in the area and read this much of this message. 226 collingwood, east lansing, 10pm-4am lineup: Tres Cantus firmus Minimalstik Scotto SRM Come wish scott macinnis farewell as he moves to chicago on Sunday. Last time you'll se this cat for a long time. Hope to see you all there the last three are list members. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Basic Channel
please ask pete k. when he is going to release some more substance material. the grooves on my scent and relish records are worn through. respect, Jeff Davisfon: 216.266.69696 [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: 216.266.2360 home.earthlink.net\~phlow cel: 216.533.6303 hyperreal.org\music\rotator\ -Original Message- From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:17 AM To: 313 mailing list Subject: [313] Basic Channel I'm interviewing Basic Channel on Monday (!), so does anyone have any suggestions for pertinent questions? Of course I have a few in mind already, but I'd welcome the list's thoughts all the same. I'll also be talking to Scion, too, so the same applies. TOM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Is Techno in a Critical Moment?
- Original Message - From: "LR2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Phonopsia'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'313'" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [313] Is Techno in a Critical Moment? > On a totally different tangent but somewhat related (at least in my > feeble mind), I saw the documentary film "Dogtown and Z-Boys" and not > only was it visually really enjoyable, but I was really struck by the > parallels that could potentially be drawn between Detroit and Santa > Monica California where these skaters/surfers lived in. What was > amazing to me is that the filmmaker could point to specific days when > the sport of skating changed forever with an individual's daily effort. > They specifically mentioned the day that a skater (Tony Alva if I recall > correctly) went over the lip of a pool and move skating into the realm > of vertical tricks. This handful of skaters pretty much singularly > redefined what skateboarding is. They did this in an urban environment > that was in shambles, and they infused their output with significant > influences around them (Latin low-rider culture, gang related graffiti > imagery, Hawaiian surf culture, etc) and in the process, created > something never seen before. Sound familiar? Sure sounds a bit like > the early roots of our music of choice on this list. Anyway, I highly > recommend the movie...it left me feeling really good and bubbling with > excitement for possibilities. I'm gonna have to go see this tonight! The parallels between skating and techno (or at least DJing) are numerous. Look at the way the activities started out so male-dominated. It was only a few years before more women started DJing that more girls grabbed a deck. Both have devoted underground readerships. Mixtapes/CDs can be seen as a parallel to skate videos. Both are rather exclusive and elitist activities, etc. Both have cryptic myths attached (Search for Animal Chin and Drexciya)??? Both became marketing commodities for their "hip" factor, and both have been neetly repackaged to sell to a mainstream audience. Perhaps I'm stretching things a bit, or you could say this about most subcultures, but you get what I'm on about... Oh, and the other comments on post-modernism make complete sense. Thanks for the comparrison! Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Is Techno in a Critical Moment?
"But my question is where can techno go from here without becoming purely experimental or instantly segmented?" This could be seen very similarly to the crisis in art that precipitated post-modernism. The constant drive for something "new" meant that ground was broken and quickly disregarded in an attempt to find something new yet again. Pretty quickly, all the ground was used up with no where new to dig. At that point, out of pure frustration with being painted into a corner, artists began to look back at the areas that had been discovered only to be abandoned with the breakneck demand for "new". They began to mine niches that they felt hadn't been fully explored in an attempt to not necessarily create something entirely new, but perhaps skew the way it was looked at and recontextualize it. Another possible correlation would be between "high art" and "craft." If you take techno as "tomorrow" music, is pretty much assumes that it has to be "new" and that path is remarkably difficult to break. I'm not cynical enough to say everything has been done but I will say that as time progresses it is increasingly difficult to do something "new." Anyway, once the art world got into this corner, there was a massive resurgence in "craft" IE pottery, textiles, and other "functional" mediums. You can sort view "craft" in line with the straight ahead dance floor stuff that is pretty much functional...designed with the goal to make the crowd move. Meanwhile, the abstraction and exploration of the "new" continues in another area and often, filters over to the "craft" level. On a totally different tangent but somewhat related (at least in my feeble mind), I saw the documentary film "Dogtown and Z-Boys" and not only was it visually really enjoyable, but I was really struck by the parallels that could potentially be drawn between Detroit and Santa Monica California where these skaters/surfers lived in. What was amazing to me is that the filmmaker could point to specific days when the sport of skating changed forever with an individual's daily effort. They specifically mentioned the day that a skater (Tony Alva if I recall correctly) went over the lip of a pool and move skating into the realm of vertical tricks. This handful of skaters pretty much singularly redefined what skateboarding is. They did this in an urban environment that was in shambles, and they infused their output with significant influences around them (Latin low-rider culture, gang related graffiti imagery, Hawaiian surf culture, etc) and in the process, created something never seen before. Sound familiar? Sure sounds a bit like the early roots of our music of choice on this list. Anyway, I highly recommend the movie...it left me feeling really good and bubbling with excitement for possibilities. Interesting questions Tristan, I doubt there are concrete answers for them, but they are fun to speculate with. Forgive me for wandering around a bit, if you made it this far, perhaps some of Tristan's questions were touched on and gives you more ideas to consider. Leslie Rollins - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] (OT) Pro Tools
accually avid owns it now ok I'm getting picky ;-) digizine has our friend moby on the cover this month download the free one and give it a try, it's worth the time in figuring it out which should not take long - Original Message - From: "Klaas-Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "neil wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [313] (OT) Pro Tools > At 14:34 +0100 15-06-2002, neil wallace wrote: > >who makes the pro-tools software which i have heard mentioned here a few > >times? URL greatly appreciated. > > it's Digidesign > > http://www.protools.com/ > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] basic channel
On 6/14/02 10:40 PM, "Andy Kellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas Köner definitely wasn't a fan of the tin packaging: > > "We were never involved in the slightest discussion about its design. I would > never agree to design a box which kills my CD. This box is actually destroying > CDs. I don't think this is an active aggression against people who buy CDs, > but it's a bit odd. I'm not happy with it." [From Kodwo Eshun's Basic > Channel/Chain Reaction article in The Wire] Hmmm.. Call me lucky, or careful, but I've got all the metalbox releases, and have never had a mishap. Also, I will agree that the BC comp treads different territory than the vinyl that usually gets played. Gorgeous in it's own right, but I'd actually love to see a second BC comp that is more dancefloor friendly. Looking forward to the scion mix. -- im - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] To UK list members from Denmark (OT - soccer)
I guess congratulations are in order, the best team won... Good luck against Brazil :) Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianblochmp313.htm Tresor/LL/Ungleich/AudioRiot/Restructured/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] (OT) Pro Tools
While you're looking at ProTools, have look a Steinberg's Nuendo too. http://www.nuendo.com/index2.html - Original Message - From: "Jernej Marusic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "neil wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [313] (OT) Pro Tools > www.digidesign.com > > > Jernej > > - Original Message - > From: "neil wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:34 PM > Subject: [313] (OT) Pro Tools > > > > who makes the pro-tools software which i have heard mentioned here a few > > times? URL greatly appreciated. > > > > cheers > > > > neil > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] (OT) Pro Tools
www.digidesign.com Jernej - Original Message - From: "neil wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: [313] (OT) Pro Tools > who makes the pro-tools software which i have heard mentioned here a few > times? URL greatly appreciated. > > cheers > > neil > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] (OT) Pro Tools
At 14:34 +0100 15-06-2002, neil wallace wrote: who makes the pro-tools software which i have heard mentioned here a few times? URL greatly appreciated. it's Digidesign http://www.protools.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] (OT) Pro Tools
who makes the pro-tools software which i have heard mentioned here a few times? URL greatly appreciated. cheers neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Is Techno in a Critical Moment?
I think this question has to be firmly situated within Sean Deason's question about the validity of making old-school techno today. I think that stuff is fine, good, and generally the pleasurable techno I find to listen to. Stuff like you find on Digital Soul, Delsin, Puzzlebox, UR, Fabrice Lig's output, etc seems like great f*ckin' music to me, but that seems like a scarce quantity to sustain a movement (you'll hopefully see this is the crux of my point). To be overly clear, I am not complaining about that music at all - I f*cking love it. Meanwhile, I know there's other great stuff, but I feel like there's an *essential* movement missing from the techno world right now. I don't know what it is or might be, and I don't know how one might fill that void. I am completely immersed in the broken beat sound these days, and I feel like that's more of a house music at the end of the day than techno, unless you're looking at the Nubian Mindz end of things. Without digging into all those particulars, I think it's safe to say that's a distinct movement from "techno". I like the Clicks 'n Cuts stuff a lot for what it is, but it feels momentary. I love hard techno, but I don't hear anyone exploring much new territory other perhaps Jacek Sienkewicz, who's musicality cannot be suppressed, although his best moments remind me of Hood in a new way. I guess what I'm getting at is that I feel like as all the new ideas become instantly codified it seems like techno is impossible today in the Millsian "tomorrow" sense. If someone takes refuge in more traditional songwriting, it's destined to veer towards house, classic electro or retrotechno, as we see with Metro Area, Delsin and the broken beat stuff. If there are genuine breakthroughs, a new wing of producers are waiting to stake their claim as we see today with the Akufen's of the world. I can't disclaim this enough. I really like almost all of this music, and I'm pleased with the high output of great music today. But my question is where can techno go from here without becoming purely experimental or instantly segmented? I ask this as a producer as much as a DJ. I feel like techno has always occupied a void between ultimate-soul and experimentation, and now its only route is to fill in those blanks more and more as experimental producers (think: Monolake or Vladislav Delay) pave technical territory without losing their grasp on the music. One of the most futuristic efforts I've ever heard is Monolake's "Tangent". I feel like this record still outpaces the futurism of most of today's techno. So to my question: is techno left to integrate these breakthroughs and bathe them with soul a la Fabrice Lig? Is this the proper domain of techno, rather than the futuristic banner we normally pin on it? Is techno today less linked to technology and innovation than it is to its past? I feel like the answer must be "yes", and I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter (clarifying again that I really don't give a sh*t what you call the best music, but I'm left feeling like what we all knew was techno and the "music of the future" is now occupying a different significance than it originally had). Tristan --- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] basic channel cd & qs
- Original Message - From: "Wes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [313] basic channel cd & qs > It's like they felt a deliberate need to atone for the metal box design hitch > by releasing both the Rhythm & Sound CD comps. in hemp[?]-"based" biodegradable > holders, which look good enough to smoke. (Though, of course, the BC comp. > originally came out in a cardboard sleeve, so there goes that theory.) Agreed. Who coulda thunk it when they came out??? When I saw it in the glass case at the (then) local record store, I was always *so* impelled to listen, but I never bothered until I was informed that these were the same people behind the mysterious "M" records I was buying. :) It wasn't until I asked [313] if anyone had heard a similarity in sound between Ron Trent and Maurizio that I understood the relationship between Main Street, Chain Reaction, Basic Channel and Maurizio... (later to include Rhythm & Sound and Burial Mix). 5 years later, this remains an FAQ (Dan, perhaps you should link to circonium?), and I'm sure I wasn't the first to question it. Prescription 103 rocks my f*cking world up, down and sideways! Do not forget this element in your (anyone's) BC history, alongside M500's Starlight and Think Quick. Tristan (who slept through his metro stop, rode through DC, into Virginia, looped around and woke up in Northern Maryland an hour and a half later). I feel like Paul Oakenfeld waking up in the Bronx in Pump Up the Volume. :( I hate relating to Paul Oakenfeld... --- http://www.mp313.com <- Music http://www.metrotechno.net <- DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com <- DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com <- Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] <- email - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] dance/pop > drexciya
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Re: [313] basic channel
Thomas Köner definitely wasn't a fan of the tin packaging: "We were never involved in the slightest discussion about its design. I would never agree to design a box which kills my CD. This box is actually destroying CDs. I don't think this is an active aggression against people who buy CDs, but it's a bit odd. I'm not happy with it." [From Kodwo Eshun's Basic Channel/Chain Reaction article in The Wire] Andy (Who would be playing his copy of Biokinetics right now if it weren't for the $%&*ing crack down the center of the disc.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] basic channel cd & qs
It's like they felt a deliberate need to atone for the metal box design hitch by releasing both the Rhythm & Sound CD comps. in hemp[?]-"based" biodegradable holders, which look good enough to smoke. (Though, of course, the BC comp. originally came out in a cardboard sleeve, so there goes that theory.) Has anyone ever had any trouble getting through customs with the R & S comps? Does the compressed greenery give off any sus. aroma to those drug-loving dogs they employ? :=//! Remember the Plastikman CD cover that looked like a sheet of acid & got someone into strife in the Mid-West a few years back? To fly in N. America with the Chain Reaction/BC metal box collection of albums (all seven or so) in one's luggage these days would be asking for trouble, no? I decided against it--just taking two at most next flight. A question for Rene from Scion: has he taken a close listen to the title track of G-Man's latest on Force Inc., "Avanti"? The legacy of "Lyot" lives on with a vengeance! Any plans for more Vainquer material? Substance? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Basic Channel
> Ask them about their debt to Tenor Saw This is interesting - can you elaborate? Did they version a specific riddim of his (or reconstruct it)? Is there any sort of formal connection, or is it just a matter of influence? Cheers, Bill -- http://www.chromedecay.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] hardwax 01
At 23:51 +0300 14-06-2002, Samu Eilola wrote: it´s hood alright. at least missing channel records sounds like robert hood. AFAIK Missing Channel is Robert Hood and Claude Young... KJ samu eilola. isn't missing channel robert hood? i'm not 100% sure on this one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Basic Channel
Ask them about their debt to Tenor Saw, and who are their favorite percussionists. Also, I understand one or both of them were professional sound engineers before the rise of basic channel; who did they record? did they apply their sound to other non-techno artists? do they realize that they are one of the few non-detroit acts to be thought of/accepted as "a member of the family?" I mean, most people who are not enlightened think they are from detroit, and those from detroit would LIKE for them to be from the d. good luck, Dr. Attaman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
