Re: (313) late 'kast reply
Funny I interviewed Andre last Sunday and he said that if anything he wanted to stretch the imaginations of his own community who listen to straight hip-hop. Of the singing he said he didn't think he was much good, and that he couldn't hope to aspire to Prince in that dept. He released a non rap album as he said he couldn't think of anything to rap about. I wanted to ask about Erykah Badu but I really feel bad asking personal questions so we talked about his perfect soulmate and fatherhood instead. ;) 1. 'kast at the fest would mos def be pimp. 2. it is indeed an exciting time for urban music. haven't heard this much innovation since ten tears ago. 3. hip hop electronic (same difference?) have always played off of each other always will. this is just dandy. i know djs mixing this album in with instrumental electronic shiz. 4. (hogans sucks teeth... hard) whatever, dog! andre is an effin' genius. always has been ain't poop changed. prototype is my junk. i might cry just thinking about it... oh, anybody that tells me that erykah's second album, mama's gun, isn't her best yet can go eat something yucky that doesn't taste good either. 5. common may be in cahoots with coca cola, but he's still one of the coldest out there. soul power? the hustle? stereolab collabos? c'mon, dude?!?! 6. i can only hope that when my stuff drops that folks don't write me off as a weird wannabe white dude just 'cause i'm not flashing ice, grabbin' my nads womanizing. i is who i be. love + spleen, +++ jason hogans (:brownstudy) chief nice guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ really nice recordings, l.l.c. http://www.homepage.mac.com/reallynice/
Re: (313) Pete Tong
There was a rumour he didn't like techno and that's why he never played it (someone told me, forget who) but he says it's because the harder styles don't fit his radio slot. He plays what he can make work. He helped break Inner City's recent(ish) Good Life remix too and says Kevin Saunderson is one of his all-time favourite DJs. I heard him play a club set two years ago (it was Christmas night and I had nothing to do, 'kay?) and I wasn't feeling it at all. To be far, the venue sucked. He covers all grounds on his latest Essential CD. I am glad that Tong and Jules are playing some techno and exposing it to new ears but both aim to cover all bases so you get the trance - like that Despina song - too. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Pete Tong Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 5:18 PM right, I know you're all thinking wtf have I got an email with Pete Tongs name in the title for? well, get this. I haven't listened to Pete Tong for years, at least 4 I reckon. so, I'm at my mates house on Friday night, and radio one is on. We're just about to go to the pub, and he starts playing this track.. my ears prick up a bit, because it doesn't sound like the usual fayre from Pete Tong, so me and my mate hang on a little to see what the track is he's playing. I can't remember the title, but it was half decent. so then, next up, he drops Joris Voorn! I'm pretty surprised at that - I presume it's one off Joris Voorn's Keynote 12? I'm unaware of other Joris Voorn stuff. so after playing two pretty nice tracks, he plays Dave Clarke's new single (which is horrible btw), which still represents a big swing in sound for him. so I'm wondering. Pete Tong represents the sound of commercial clubland right? Is this whats going on? are commercial dj's playing underground techno tracks? what with Rolando etc on Fergie, and now this, I'm starting to wonder whats going on! and, to top it all off, I see my mate on Saturday, and he says his mix of Scruff has been on daytime rotation on radio one for the past three weeks! whats going on folks? or is it me going a little bonkers? Is the world starting to take an interest in 'techno' music? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Pete Tong
There's *some* good magazines, don't lose faith! -- From: john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Pete Tong Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 7:12 PM magazines are changing too; the free cd you used to get was always mainstream dance/trance/prog house. sales are dropping - ministry of sound mag has folded, so dj mag etc are runnung back towards the underground with their tails between their legs. ! john
Re: (313) Pete Tong
You haven't heard of the new technoclash phenom... opps have I said too much already? ;) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Pete Tong Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 1:18 AM Hmmm, I can see that but when was the last time techno was really popular? 1995 to 98 maybe? Seems then the music was pretty kicking and everyone was looking toward Detroit or Chicago. I doubt it would be the same again but maybe someone out there will be inspired by it - search it out, attened techno events, go home and instead of making a crap trance tune come up with some brilliant techno track. Could happen -not going to hold my breath but it could happen techno, like disco, is a survivor MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 4.co.uk cc: Subject: RE: (313) Pete Tong 10/20/03 10:25 AM I don't. It'll only get diluted and homogenised if it becomes any more popular. I like my music to stay underground! Nobody likes an overcrowded beach. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:10 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Pete Tong god forbid the rest of the world hears our music... I never meant it in a bad way, just that it amazed me a little as I havent taken my head out of my arse for about 4 years. In fact, I see it as a positive thing (I think) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) Re: Ayro (313 Digest 22 Oct 2003 17:16:58 -0000 Issue 1821)
Wow ... I love both albums! Even though Ayro's album is danceable, I'll agree that it's a tough one if you want to spin it out and throw it in a mix. It is very much Jeremy singing and playing his heart out ... John isn't crafting songs exactly the same way, but still manages to find its place in the front of DJ crates. Similar styles, very different approaches and aims IMHO. -d p.s. I especially like how the Ayro album (at least on CD ... don't have the vinyl yet) is seamless. The beats transmogrify from one track to the next. Not a mix, something different... On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 01:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: john arnold album that is just simply light years ahead of it
(313) Movies OT
Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance since its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be of interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discussed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet... A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun Ra playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... j From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=37
(313) 'Techno' Music
this ones been buggin' me this a.m. although i generally disagree with dance-genre labelling (the best was 'intelligent techno', as opposed to unintelligent techno I suppose !)I'm usually quite interested to find out where these terms come from, whether it's a group, person or magazine. I remember reading an early interview with Juan Atkins or Kevin Saunderson, saying we call our music techno. On the other hand I read someone else saying that it was Neil Rushton (KoolKat honch) who coined the term to market the music. I also remember DMay saying that he always hated the term and never thought of the music in that way. Can anyone expand further; was it though up by the 'belleville 3' or Rushton ? - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/
Re: (313) love happiness + niko marks
Hey Maarten there some kind of accapella version or an extended intro version of the song love happiness by first choice? well I don't really know. Are you aware of the salsoul dj tools series (relatively new)? Is love happiness one of those? they're really great for the dj's - seperate accapella's, drum tracks etc, coool. I got a love thang one, but theres quite a few Is that planet e release from Niko Marks out yet? I've been wondering the same thing - I've not seen it anywhere. I don't think it's been out at all. anyone seen it? any promo's etc? planet E seem to be due a couple of releases eh? anyone know whats coming or anything? hey, its friday, woohooo. and my hangover is only half as bad as yesterdays alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Movies OT
The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in outer space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC Sun Ra is mentioned too. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance since its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be of interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discussed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet... A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun Ra playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... j From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=37 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Movies OT
Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and if you haven't seen it already, shame on you! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in outer space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC Sun Ra is mentioned too. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance since its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be of interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discussed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet... A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun Ra playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... j From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=37 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Movies OT
I know... Again Ive never heard of Modulations ..There all being noted for a spending spree..So keep em coming... did David Toop do a doc relating to his Ocean of Sound book/essays Rav -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 11:57 To: Robert Taylor; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and if you haven't seen it already, shame on you! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in outer space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC Sun Ra is mentioned too. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance since its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be of interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discussed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet... A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun Ra playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... j From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=37 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: RE: (313) Movies OT
Shame on me as well - what is Modulations? You wrote: Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and if = you haven't seen it already, shame on you! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor=20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in o= uter space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC = Sun Ra is mentioned too.=20 -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance sinc= e its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be o= f interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discus= sed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet...=20 A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun R= a playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. =20 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part=20 revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... =20 j =20 From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these =20 http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=3D37 =20 =20 =20 =20 #= Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent=20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. = This email=20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the us= e of the=20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received th= is email in=20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #= #= Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent=20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. = This email=20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the us= e of the=20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received th= is email in=20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #=
RE: RE: (313) Movies OT
A documentary tracing the evolution of electronic music by cutting back and forth between avant garde composers, Kraftverk's innovative synthesizer drones, Giorgio Moroder's Euro-discos, Afrika Bambaataa's electro-funk and Prodigy's worldwide stardom. Modulations celebrates, replicates and illuminates the nomadic drift of the post-human techno sound. It's got loads of electronic music producers on it, including some 313 names.. Fascinating viewing cos it's a proper look at the avant-garde origins of electronic music - most docs just link it club culture and explore that side of it like House Generation did. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:11 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Movies OT Shame on me as well - what is Modulations? You wrote: Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and if = you haven't seen it already, shame on you! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor=20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in o= uter space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC = Sun Ra is mentioned too.=20 -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance sinc= e its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be o= f interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discus= sed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet...=20 A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun R= a playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. =20 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part=20 revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... =20 j =20 From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these =20 http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=3D37 =20 =20 =20 =20 #= Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent=20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated.. = This email=20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the us= e of the=20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received th= is email in=20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #= #= Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent=20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated.. = This email=20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the us= e of the=20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received th= is email in=20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #= # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or
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Sounds interesting, do you know if it got a video release, or was it just shown on TV? You wrote: A documentary tracing the evolution of electronic music by cutting back = and forth between avant garde composers, Kraftverk's innovative synthesiz= er drones, Giorgio Moroder's Euro-discos, Afrika Bambaataa's electro-funk= and Prodigy's worldwide stardom. Modulations celebrates, replicates a= nd illuminates the nomadic drift of the post-human techno sound. It's go= t loads of electronic music producers on it, including some 313 names.. F= ascinating viewing cos it's a proper look at the avant-garde origins of e= lectronic music - most docs just link it club culture and explore that si= de of it like House Generation did. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:11 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Movies OT Shame on me as well - what is Modulations? You wrote: Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and i= f =3D you haven't seen it already, shame on you! =20 -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor=3D20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT =20 =20 The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in= o=3D uter space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIR= C =3D Sun Ra is mentioned too.=3D20 =20 -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT =20 =20 Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance si= nc=3D e its friday OT day... =20 What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be= o=3D f interest to members of this list and are related to music that is disc= us=3D sed on this list (wider than just techno then). =20 Thanks In Advance =20 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google =20 Rav =20 -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on = my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet...=3D20 =20 A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, a= nd features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun= R=3D a playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! =20 Brendan =20 -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra =3D20 =3D20 Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. =3D20 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part=3D= 20 revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... =3D20 j =3D20 From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra =3D20 =3D20 The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these =3D20 http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=3D3D37 =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 ###= ##=3D Note: =20 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessa= ri=3D ly represent=3D20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated= =2E. =3D This email=3D20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the = us=3D e of the=3D20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received = th=3D is email in=3D20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 Thank You. ###= ##=3D =20 =20 ###= ##=3D Note: =20 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessa= ri=3D ly represent=3D20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated= =2E. =3D This email=3D20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the = us=3D e of the=3D20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received = th=3D is email in=3D20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 Thank You.
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http://www.caipirinha.com/Film/modulations/modcontents.html Robert Taylor wrote: A documentary tracing the evolution of electronic music by cutting back and forth between avant garde composers, Kraftverk's innovative synthesizer drones, Giorgio Moroder's Euro-discos, Afrika Bambaataa's electro-funk and Prodigy's worldwide stardom. Modulations celebrates, replicates and illuminates the nomadic drift of the post-human techno sound. It's got loads of electronic music producers on it, including some 313 names.. Fascinating viewing cos it's a proper look at the avant-garde origins of electronic music - most docs just link it club culture and explore that side of it like House Generation did. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:11 AM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Movies OT Shame on me as well - what is Modulations? You wrote: Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and if = you haven't seen it already, shame on you! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor=20 Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in o= uter space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC = Sun Ra is mentioned too.=20 -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance sinc= e its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be o= f interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discus= sed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet...=20 A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun R= a playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. =20 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part=20 revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... =20 j =20 From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra =20 =20 The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these =20 http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=3D37 =20 =20 =20 =20 #= Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent=20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated.. = This email=20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the us= e of the=20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received th= is email in=20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #= #= Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessari= ly represent=20 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated.. = This email=20 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the us= e of the=20 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received th= is email in=20 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #= # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received
(313) two articles on file-sharing
here are two articles on file-sharing. i know some people on this list are [like me] interested in these developments. first one from fortune magazine, about how file-sharing should be compared to video-recording: http://www.fortune.com/fortune/print/0,15935,517663,00.html second one is an article by Stan Liebowitz, refers to an older article by the same writer about how file-sharing, much more then vide-recording, has an impact on the copyright owner. he now dicussess how these negative effects can be repaired: http://www.cato.org/tech/tk/030821-tk.html jurren _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) Movies OT
Modulations is definitely an interesting one. It left me in a bit of weird place. Form your own opinion... It's not techno but Buena Vista Social Club is one of my all time favorite music documentaries. http://www.pbs.org/buenavista/ its music is on my longlonglong music wish list. d --- Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know... Again Ive never heard of Modulations ..There all being noted for a spending spree..So keep em coming... did David Toop do a doc relating to his Ocean of Sound book/essays Rav -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 11:57 To: Robert Taylor; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT Of course - there is also Modulations, which is essential viewing and if you haven't seen it already, shame on you! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; Brendan Nelson; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in outer space from Nasa to Star Trek, from George Clinton to Sci Fi. It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC Sun Ra is mentioned too. -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:45 AM To: 'Brendan Nelson'; Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: (313) Movies OT Ive been meaning to ask this question for a while. Now its my chance since its friday OT day... What movies/docs would ppl recommend getting their hands on that may be of interest to members of this list and are related to music that is discussed on this list (wider than just techno then). Thanks In Advance 'A Joyfull Noise' is a new one to mefires up imdb.com... bah no result...fires up google Rav -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 October 2003 17:38 To: Jo Johnson; Philip; 313 Subject: RE: (313) more sun ra I've got that movie - I think it's definitely worth buying! It sits on my video shelf next to Brother From Another Planet... A Joyful Noise is a good one too, but that's more of a documentary, and features some amazing footage; rooftop renditions of Astro Black, Sun Ra playing synth while spinning around, hands behind his back. Well worth picking up if you can find it! Brendan -Original Message- From: Jo Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2003 14:46 To: Philip; 313 Subject: Re: (313) more sun ra Has anyone seen the Space is the Place film? Saw the review in the Wire this month and thinking of buying it. 'Part documentary, part science fiction, part Blaxpoitation, part revisionist Biblical epic' apparently... j From: Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:01:23 +1000 To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) more sun ra The current issue of straight no chaser has a list of recommended sun ra CDs and some kind of special offer on these http://www.straightnochaser.co.uk/featuredetail.php?id=37 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
Can anyone expand further; was it though up by the 'belleville 3' or Rushton ? hello chris! (my fellow manchester pikey) erm, well. I could be completely and utterly wrong about this - so someone correct me please! but, I kind of thought in the back of my mind, that the techno term was from 'the belleville 3'! and maybe it was something referred to in Alvin Toffler's Book. I think there was a quote in the book, something about the techno rebels . I have one at home if chris you want to borrow it? BUT, I could just be making all this up in my head. I tend to do that sometimes and then claim it as fact. so, anyone else know? maybe Mr Sicko might pop up if he isn't too busy and correct me. alex (a tryer, you've got to give me that) p.s. that YMO lp called Technopolis was out in about 1980 wasn't it too? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in o= It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC = Sun Ra is mentioned too.=20 wo. where can I see this? is it a US documentary? do these kind of things get archived? if it was ever shown on UK tv, someone let me know, my mate may be able to lay his hands on it. ta! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Ahem - it was a Channel 4 documentary - mail me and I'll try and sort you out -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:15 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in o= It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC = Sun Ra is mentioned too.=20 wo. where can I see this? is it a US documentary? do these kind of things get archived? if it was ever shown on UK tv, someone let me know, my mate may be able to lay his hands on it. ta! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
(313) Guardian Article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/page/0,10607,1068626,00.html Wow...america's greates bands atm Neptunes 4 Timbaland 3 Outcast 2 They all got some techno qualities their sounds too... Not a bad list for a broadsheet. Rav.
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I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. aha, thats more than likely. my head tends to get muddled at the best of times, so forgive me. do I get half a point for trying though? I wanna win a 313 chequebook pen. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Don't forget that Kraftwerk had a tune named Techno Pop on Electric Cafe in 1986, as well. Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. aha, thats more than likely. my head tends to get muddled at the best of times, so forgive me. do I get half a point for trying though? I wanna win a 313 chequebook pen. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Don't forget that Kraftwerk had a tune named Techno Pop on Electric Cafe in 1986, as well. aha, yes. when was juan's techno city out? was it '85 time? check this YMO discography too.. http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/YMO-discog.html technopolis - 1979, technodelic - 1981. I also saw another techno reference on a late '70's disco record. struggling to remember what it was though. I'll probably have remembered by Monday. techno techno techno. bloody techno. it'll be the death of me. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) Akufen night - Advice
Hi all, Someone told me about Akufen playing in Nottingham tonight. http://www.ents24.com/web/event/690941/Deep_Freak.html I was suprised when I heard where he was playing and that I'd not seen anything about it. The web-page above leaves me in some doubt about if it is actually him? He seems to be bottom of the bill? I've never heard of Hexidecimal or The Sound Alliance Sound System ? If any UK or Nottingham list members could verify this for me it'd be much appreciated. Thanks -- Mike
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I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their labels... simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen european bands. So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? I also remember a story wherein these heads were driving up to Chicago every weekend to check out those 'Disco' parties with DJ's like Ron Hardy. Of course we cannot neglect the fact that Detroit city was in resessions those days... Dr. Nutcracker
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Way back in high school,, PBS showed this documentary on Black American music. It was about two weeks long I think with an hour to 2 hour long shows. Well I remember seeing the first one about Slave hymns and such and then I lucked up and saw the one about the 80's. They went into depth about the mainstream artist but they also did about 30 minutes each on the start of hip-hop and Detroit Techno. Does anyone recognize this. I've been looking for this show for years. Ja'Maul Redmond PERKINS WILL 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203 -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: RE: (313) Movies OT Ahem - it was a Channel 4 documentary - mail me and I'll try and sort you out -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:15 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: (313) Movies OT The Mothership Connection is a TV documentary on the black presence in o= It also features May, Atkins, Mad Mike (masked) and Samuel Delaney. IIRC = Sun Ra is mentioned too.=20 wo. where can I see this? is it a US documentary? do these kind of things get archived? if it was ever shown on UK tv, someone let me know, my mate may be able to lay his hands on it. ta! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) for the japanese techno freaks
That's what I call a gig. k -Original Message- From: Southern Outpost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 2:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) for the japanese techno freaks UR's Timeline (Mike Banks, Gerald Mitchell, M.I.A and Dex) will be playing live tonight at Club Womb in Shibuya, Tokyo... Dj on the night is Jeff Mills... UR and Jeff Mills... just like the old days... it's gonna be sweet as hell. Peace, Patrick. -- -- Southern Outpost - Sydney. Distribution: Twilight 76, Detroit http://www.southernoutpost.com Infiltrating your sound systems. --
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that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? I guess a bit I always thought that maybe Chicago kind of had similarities with Jamaica (slightly). In that, both Chicago and jamaican producers took records from other 'scenes', remade them in their own style for the purpose of dances/clubs. Chicago Heads + Disco/Italo Disco/Boogie records = House (for music box, warehouse etc) Jamaican Heads + American Soul Blues records = Dub/Reggae (for the dances/soundsystems/dj's) where as in detroit, there wasn't really a big club scene? and the records weren't really remakes. erm, yet another case of me thinking out loud. dunno anyway. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I can think of at least one exception Alex: 'e2-e4/Sueno Latino' :-) k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:33 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? I guess a bit I always thought that maybe Chicago kind of had similarities with Jamaica (slightly). In that, both Chicago and jamaican producers took records from other 'scenes', remade them in their own style for the purpose of dances/clubs. Chicago Heads + Disco/Italo Disco/Boogie records = House (for music box, warehouse etc) Jamaican Heads + American Soul Blues records = Dub/Reggae (for the dances/soundsystems/dj's) where as in detroit, there wasn't really a big club scene? and the records weren't really remakes. erm, yet another case of me thinking out loud. dunno anyway. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Dr. Nutcracker wrote: I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their labels... simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen european bands. So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? Yes and no. They are similar enough to mix w.o. problem. But there is nothing coming out of Chicago during this time that sounds anything like Clear or Cosmic Cars. Similarly there is nothing coming out of Detroit that sounds like Love Can't Turn Around. Strings of Life, and maybe Triangle of Love are the two songs that sound like Detroit songs with Chicago influences. The Acid stuff (Phuture's stuff jumps out) are the Chicago songs that exhibit Detroit influences. I also remember a story wherein these heads were driving up to Chicago every weekend to check out those 'Disco' parties with DJ's like Ron Hardy. Yep. But also remember that the Chicago artists were either borrowing the equipment of Detroiter's or getting the equipment they used. Of course we cannot neglect the fact that Detroit city was in resessions those days... Yes it was...but black Chicago wasn't doing much better. There is a quote in a Model 500 song (Future i think) that talks about how techno is here to stay. That song comes out in '85. peace lks
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I can think of at least one exception Alex: 'e2-e4/Sueno Latino' heh heh, theres always one...! yeah, I guess theres a few. No, I was just thinking in general, 'of the scene' if you know what I mean. and I was kind of musing out loud. but, I've never been to chicago, detroit or jamaica, or any of their clubs/dances, so how the f**k I came to this conclusion I'll never know! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) all new sound noise music!
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Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
The canonical history holds that it was indeed out of the marketing of the Ten Records Techno comp that the term techno first came to be used to describe the 313 sound and differentiate it more concretely from the sounds of Chicago's scene. But there's more than one example of May in particular mentioning that he doesn't like techno as a term. Techno was clearly Juan's afterthought, and it suited Rushton and the marketing campaign just fine. Up until '88, techno did not exist in Detroit. It was house, or Detroit house at best. I think this fact is often covered over because it's felt to undermine the genre differences between techno and house, or to undermine techno's claim to independent consideration. But it would be clearly incorrect to consider techno as merely a cousin of house. The scenes in Chicago and Detroit were related, but LKS uses very good concrete examples to show the differences. If we can give up just a touch of our collective 313-centricity, just for an instant, and ask seriously what House/Techno would have been without the terms to stabilize them, I think the relatively provisional and even kind of arbitrary limits of the genres become clearer. Sure Chicago Detroit had rather different sounds, but the sounds within each city's scene were also wildly divergent. House today rarely sounds as broad, or experimental, as it did when it was local, and stood as a local practice. The earliest tracks (and mixing practices) of the belleville three, plus d-wynn, mills, baxter, fawlkes, and *all* the other folks who were already well-established by '87-'88, were also very different, track-by-track, from each other.(1) There was a *lot* of musical experimentation going down at the time, in both cities. This is not to say that the experimentation of 313-related artists today is insignificant. But it's worth thinking through how house and techno came to be understood, sometimes out of listening for a common thread in the music of the 313, and sometimes by ignoring interesting ventures into its early outer reaches... My overly academic .02, at any rate. -marc (1) I'd be more than willing to bet that this incredible diversity of sound, and movement which seemed to *defy* rather than produce genre, also helps to account for the individualistic strain in Atkins-May-Saunderson-Mills interviews. May relentlessly hits on individual innovation, and on *not* sounding like the thing before. Atkins and Mills both say techno (which they use as a descriptor in the early 90's, rather than a categorical definition) should be the sound of the new. When they say It should (or did) sound really *techno* they clearly meant that it sounded wild, and really out there. At 11:07 AM -0400 10/24/03, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Dr. Nutcracker wrote: I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their labels... simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen european bands. So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? Yes and no. They are similar enough to mix w.o. problem. But there is nothing coming out of Chicago during this time that sounds anything like Clear or Cosmic Cars. Similarly there is nothing coming out of Detroit that sounds like Love Can't Turn Around. Strings of Life, and maybe Triangle of Love are the two songs that sound like Detroit songs with Chicago influences. The Acid stuff (Phuture's stuff jumps out) are the Chicago songs that exhibit Detroit influences.
(313) London spam: Amp Fiddler and John Arnold
Amp Fiddler live at the Jazzcafe on 20th Nov 2003 http://www.jazzcafe.co.uk and John Arnold joins him, see below. Usual suspects tonight at the Juno Rooms! : ) Have a good weekend y'all. Cheers, Anya Begin forwarded message: From: The Jazz Cafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:24:46 PM Europe/London To: Jazz Cafe Subscriber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Jazz Cafe Newsletter [...] NOW BOOKING JOHN ARNOLD added as support to AMP FIDDLER ON 20 NOV 2003
Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
I believe D. May also lived in Chicago for a while - He broke Strings of Life with Ron Hardy at the Music Box (or was it the Warehouse?) and if you listen to a Hardy DJ mix and a May DJ mix back-to-back you realize how influential Ron was on Derrick. I've always associated May's music with Chicago house and Juan's with Detroit techno - there is clearly a difference. Maybe that's why Derrick didn't like the word 'techno' - because he thought of his sound as house music and a continuum of the Chicago sound. Juan probably didn't feel that so he needed a new way to define what he was doing. Probably also why lots of people who think of themselves as 'techno' fans are disappointed when they hear Derrick play - it's 50/50 mix between 'house' and 'techno' and they don't expect that. Same is true with Jeff Mills if he slips 'house' tracks into his sets. Most of the time though, I think journalists put names to the genres because you need a word or phrase to communicate to your audience. Short catchy names work best. Most artists shrug it off or try to shake the label off of them because they don't need the word - they have the music and they let the music speak for itself. Often you find an artist who actively moves away from a sound that is associated with a genre label because they don't like being pinned down. So, yeah, I think it's mostly the writers - it's their job and it's not really a bad thing initially because it allows people to communicate. It's when those who are cashing in on a 'movement' that really do the music and the word harm. MEK Dr. Nutcracker [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org ty-072.com cc: Subject: Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music 10/24/03 08:53 AM Please respond to Dr. Nutcracker I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their labels... simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen european bands. So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? I also remember a story wherein these heads were driving up to Chicago every weekend to check out those 'Disco' parties with DJ's like Ron Hardy. Of course we cannot neglect the fact that Detroit city was in resessions those days... Dr. Nutcracker
RE: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
That's a very good analysis. One thing that springs to mind, for me, is that, during the mid and late 1980s, there was another city apart from Detroit where people were trying to develop a sound called techno: 'We have heard techno attempted, and yet sadly you have failed you should stick to vice, miami - leave the techno to LA!' That's from a DJ Unknown DJ Slip track on Techno Kut records in 1988 - Techno Kut's sound was very heavily influenced by Kraftwerk and Cybotron. However, it wore those influences on its sleeve in a far more overt way than the music that ended up being known as Detroit techno, sounding pretty much like early 1980s electro and often basing whole tracks around flagrant Kraftwerk samples. Sometimes I wonder if, if the Techno Kut people had ended up developing a more unique and distinct sound, the terms we use for music today would be totally different? It would be pretty strange to have LA as the epicentre of techno, and for artists like UR or Jeff Mills being spoken of as house producers. And was the actual *direction* of the music affected in any way by the fact it was called techno? If people had always just thought of it as Detroit house, would it have still developed into what it is today? Brendan -Original Message- From: marc christensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 October 2003 17:14 To: Lester Kenyatta Spence; Dr. Nutcracker Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music The canonical history holds that it was indeed out of the marketing of the Ten Records Techno comp that the term techno first came to be used to describe the 313 sound and differentiate it more concretely from the sounds of Chicago's scene. But there's more than one example of May in particular mentioning that he doesn't like techno as a term. Techno was clearly Juan's afterthought, and it suited Rushton and the marketing campaign just fine...
RE: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
The conclusion is accurate Alex - dub technology was a huge influence on people like Ron Hardy. The wilder the sound the more he liked it (from what I've read and heard in his mixes). MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 10/24/03 10:07 AMSubject: RE: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music I can think of at least one exception Alex: 'e2-e4/Sueno Latino' heh heh, theres always one...! yeah, I guess theres a few. No, I was just thinking in general, 'of the scene' if you know what I mean. and I was kind of musing out loud. but, I've never been to chicago, detroit or jamaica, or any of their clubs/dances, so how the f**k I came to this conclusion I'll never know! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Damn Marc! You've got footnotes in there too... Seriously though, I like what you've said. MEK marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr. Nutcracker e.edu[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org 10/24/03 11:14 AMSubject: Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music The canonical history holds that it was indeed out of the marketing of the Ten Records Techno comp that the term techno first came to be used to describe the 313 sound and differentiate it more concretely from the sounds of Chicago's scene. But there's more than one example of May in particular mentioning that he doesn't like techno as a term. Techno was clearly Juan's afterthought, and it suited Rushton and the marketing campaign just fine. Up until '88, techno did not exist in Detroit. It was house, or Detroit house at best. I think this fact is often covered over because it's felt to undermine the genre differences between techno and house, or to undermine techno's claim to independent consideration. But it would be clearly incorrect to consider techno as merely a cousin of house. The scenes in Chicago and Detroit were related, but LKS uses very good concrete examples to show the differences. If we can give up just a touch of our collective 313-centricity, just for an instant, and ask seriously what House/Techno would have been without the terms to stabilize them, I think the relatively provisional and even kind of arbitrary limits of the genres become clearer. Sure Chicago Detroit had rather different sounds, but the sounds within each city's scene were also wildly divergent. House today rarely sounds as broad, or experimental, as it did when it was local, and stood as a local practice. The earliest tracks (and mixing practices) of the belleville three, plus d-wynn, mills, baxter, fawlkes, and *all* the other folks who were already well-established by '87-'88, were also very different, track-by-track, from each other.(1) There was a *lot* of musical experimentation going down at the time, in both cities. This is not to say that the experimentation of 313-related artists today is insignificant. But it's worth thinking through how house and techno came to be understood, sometimes out of listening for a common thread in the music of the 313, and sometimes by ignoring interesting ventures into its early outer reaches... My overly academic .02, at any rate. -marc (1) I'd be more than willing to bet that this incredible diversity of sound, and movement which seemed to *defy* rather than produce genre, also helps to account for the individualistic strain in Atkins-May-Saunderson-Mills interviews. May relentlessly hits on individual innovation, and on *not* sounding like the thing before. Atkins and Mills both say techno (which they use as a descriptor in the early 90's, rather than a categorical definition) should be the sound of the new. When they say It should (or did) sound really *techno* they clearly meant that it sounded wild, and really out there. At 11:07 AM -0400 10/24/03, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Dr. Nutcracker wrote: I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their labels... simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen european bands. So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? Yes and no. They are similar enough to mix w.o. problem. But there is nothing coming out of Chicago during this time that sounds anything like Clear or Cosmic Cars. Similarly there is nothing coming out of Detroit that sounds like Love Can't Turn Around. Strings of Life, and maybe Triangle of Love are the two songs that sound like Detroit songs with Chicago influences. The Acid stuff (Phuture's stuff jumps out) are the Chicago songs that exhibit Detroit influences.
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Damn Marc! You've got footnotes in there too... Seriously though, I like what you've said. yeah me too. quality post. really learning quite alot here, cool thread. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, marc christensen wrote: The canonical history holds that it was indeed out of the marketing of the Ten Records Techno comp that the term techno first came to be used to describe the 313 sound and differentiate it more concretely from the sounds of Chicago's scene. But there's more than one example of May in particular mentioning that he doesn't like techno as a term. Techno was clearly Juan's afterthought, and it suited Rushton and the marketing campaign just fine. I think the canonical history is actually wrong on this point. Take the phrase techno's here to stay in Future. Now that term could mean damn near anything within the context of that song...but given that I had conversations with my partners (in Detroit) before '87 about techno music, I'm arguing that the term was applied to what we now think of as techno before it was used as a marketing slogan. Up until '88, techno did not exist in Detroit. I disagree. But I do agree that there were a number of other names used to describe both house and detroit's music (whether it was house, detroit house, or prep music, or progressive). If we can give up just a touch of our collective 313-centricity, just for an instant, and ask seriously what House/Techno would have been without the terms to stabilize them, I think the relatively provisional and even kind of arbitrary limits of the genres become clearer. Sure Chicago Detroit had rather different sounds, but the sounds within each city's scene were also wildly divergent. The question though is, for purely categorical purposes is the variance within each city as great as the variance between the cities? I have to think really hard about this one. House today rarely sounds as broad, or experimental, as it did when it was local, and stood as a local practice. Thinking off the top of my head in Chicago you had three different streams. The stuff that relied heavily on sampling (house nation, jack your body, farley farley, etc.), the stuff that relied heavily on vocals (you used to love me, you ain't really house, etc.), and the stuff that relied heavily on bass lines (no way back instrumental, acid trax). This stuff was very different than anything else we'd heard...but it really wasn't broad the way we'd think of broad now. In fact I'd argue that house now is much broader than it was when it was a nascent art form. There are a number of reasons for this. There are more artists working within the genre, they are spread over the world rather than concentrated within one city, there is both international diversity and racial diversity in the artists (and consumers), and there is more technical sophistication. The earliest tracks (and mixing practices) of the belleville three, plus d-wynn, mills, baxter, fawlkes, and *all* the other folks who were already well-established by '87-'88, were also very different, track-by-track, from each other.(1) There was a *lot* of musical experimentation going down at the time, in both cities. They were different enough that you could tell when Model 500 was responsible for a track as opposed to Fowlkes. But they weren't so different that you couldn't hear them as opposed to chicago tracks and not be able to say where the tracks came from. lks
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definatly a good take on this whole subject...but i have always believed that larry heard should be in this conversation almost as much as ron hardyderrick may definatly reflects ron hardy's dj style , but as for the tracks derrick may made, larry heard had to be a huge influence. i have heard from several people that larry heard was a huge influence on derrick as well as others...last time rick wilhite came out here to portland we were talking about this kind of stuff and he was telling me he plays techno. a kind of techno no one else plays, yet most people would have called this house. and i have also heard of people like Glenn Underground and Boo Williams, and Brian Harden refer to some of there sets as Chicago techno...i think sometimes they do this just to mess with people's heads , but there is some truth to those terms as welli mean i know larry heard is the man who helped invent house yet listen to his gherkin jerks stuff and other stuff it sounds alot like what was later called detroit technolenny and lawrence burden once told me MANY detroit artist used to go and check out ron and other clubs in chicago as well as go record shopping down there, and larry heard was a total fixture in that scene so many of the detroit guys were hevely influenced by larry heard as well as ron hardythen there is little louis and k-alexi and others that were all around at the same time...some of those old k-alexi tracks can sure sound detroit technoish at timesbut they are strictly chicago house just my 2 cents on the topic.good thread michael www.renegaderhythms.com I believe D. May also lived in Chicago for a while - He broke Strings of Life with Ron Hardy at the Music Box (or was it the Warehouse?) and if you listen to a Hardy DJ mix and a May DJ mix back-to-back you realize how influential Ron was on Derrick. I've always associated May's music with Chicago house and Juan's with Detroit techno - there is clearly a difference. Maybe that's why Derrick didn't like the word 'techno' - because he thought of his sound as house music and a continuum of the Chicago sound. Juan probably didn't feel that so he needed a new way to define what he was doing. Probably also why lots of people who think of themselves as 'techno' fans are disappointed when they hear Derrick play - it's 50/50 mix between 'house' and 'techno' and they don't expect that. Same is true with Jeff Mills if he slips 'house' tracks into his sets. Most of the time though, I think journalists put names to the genres because you need a word or phrase to communicate to your audience. Short catchy names work best. Most artists shrug it off or try to shake the label off of them because they don't need the word - they have the music and they let the music speak for itself. Often you find an artist who actively moves away from a sound that is associated with a genre label because they don't like being pinned down. So, yeah, I think it's mostly the writers - it's their job and it's not really a bad thing initially because it allows people to communicate. It's when those who are cashing in on a 'movement' that really do the music and the word harm. MEK Dr. Nutcracker [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org ty-072.com cc: Subject: Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music 10/24/03 08:53 AM Please respond to Dr. Nutcracker I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on it and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from Chicago House. And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their labels... simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen european bands. So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? I also remember a story wherein these heads were driving up to Chicago every weekend to check out those 'Disco' parties with DJ's like Ron Hardy. Of course we cannot neglect the fact that Detroit city was in resessions those days... Dr. Nutcracker
(313) Octave One, Wildplanet, and Aux 88 interviews on cognitionaudioworks.com
Just added Octave One, Wildplanet, and Aux 88 interviews to the webzine portion of http://cognitionaudioworks.com (hey, it's like a Direct Beat/430 West interviewathon! :)) Still up are interviews with Drexciya, Mike Grant, Alan Oldham (DJ T-1000) and John Tejada, along with live performances from Andrew Duke, Rhythm Maker, and Andy Vaz, and an audio interview with the late great Drexciya. Thanks. Take care. Andrew Duke out now: Environmental Politics http://and-oar.org Take Nothing For Granted http://acidfake.tk Sprung http://bip-hop.com http://warprecords.com/mart/music/release.php? cat=BLEEP12fc_type=CD *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* More Destructive Than Organized http://staalplaat.com Highest Common Denominator http://pieheadrecords.com Physical and Mental Health http://dialrecords.com 74'02 (split with Hypo) http://tsunami-addiction.com Waveforms: Halifax Electronic Music Compilation http://cognitionaudioworks.com
Re: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
Dr. Nutcracker wrote: So can we conclude then... that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at least very simular to Chicago House? first time i heard fingers inc - distant planet, i thought it was some early rhythim is rhythm [adventurous drum programming] derrick may has been extremely influenced by larry heard's productions. but at the same time did something completely different with it. chip e - it's house...is it? I also remember a story wherein these heads were driving up to Chicago every weekend to check out those 'Disco' parties with DJ's like Ron Hardy. i remember either from that channel 4 documentary on house music 'pump up the volume' or from another interview derrick may's quote: everyone i took there ended up heavily influenced by that experience about visiting the muzic box. alex bond wrote: where as in detroit, there wasn't really a big club scene? and the records weren't really remakes. dunno how big the scene was, but i do remember from 'techno rebels' that the scene was intence. and eclectic aswell. the same as chicago, but maybe with a bit more industrial influences. i remember reading something about having a 'house'party on one floor, and a flog of seagulls on another at the same building. and what was the sequence again for the first night they payed sharivari [two copies of kano - holly dolly] ? kraftwerk - the robots quartz - beyond the clouds number of names - sharivari ... and the people were climbing the walls! Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: Yep. But also remember that the Chicago artists were either borrowing the equipment of Detroiter's or getting the equipment they used. i think frankie knuckles bought one of derrick may's drumcomputers marc christensen wrote: ... got nothing to add here, so i'll just paste all of it beneath: The canonical history holds that it was indeed out of the marketing of the Ten Records Techno comp that the term techno first came to be used to describe the 313 sound and differentiate it more concretely from the sounds of Chicago's scene. But there's more than one example of May in particular mentioning that he doesn't like techno as a term. Techno was clearly Juan's afterthought, and it suited Rushton and the marketing campaign just fine. Up until '88, techno did not exist in Detroit. It was house, or Detroit house at best. I think this fact is often covered over because it's felt to undermine the genre differences between techno and house, or to undermine techno's claim to independent consideration. But it would be clearly incorrect to consider techno as merely a cousin of house. The scenes in Chicago and Detroit were related, but LKS uses very good concrete examples to show the differences. If we can give up just a touch of our collective 313-centricity, just for an instant, and ask seriously what House/Techno would have been without the terms to stabilize them, I think the relatively provisional and even kind of arbitrary limits of the genres become clearer. Sure Chicago Detroit had rather different sounds, but the sounds within each city's scene were also wildly divergent. House today rarely sounds as broad, or experimental, as it did when it was local, and stood as a local practice. The earliest tracks (and mixing practices) of the belleville three, plus d-wynn, mills, baxter, fawlkes, and *all* the other folks who were already well-established by '87-'88, were also very different, track-by-track, from each other.(1) There was a *lot* of musical experimentation going down at the time, in both cities. This is not to say that the experimentation of 313-related artists today is insignificant. But it's worth thinking through how house and techno came to be understood, sometimes out of listening for a common thread in the music of the 313, and sometimes by ignoring interesting ventures into its early outer reaches... My overly academic .02, at any rate. -marc (1) I'd be more than willing to bet that this incredible diversity of sound, and movement which seemed to *defy* rather than produce genre, also helps to account for the individualistic strain in Atkins-May-Saunderson-Mills interviews. May relentlessly hits on individual innovation, and on *not* sounding like the thing before. Atkins and Mills both say techno (which they use as a descriptor in the early 90's, rather than a categorical definition) should be the sound of the new. When they say It should (or did) sound really *techno* they clearly meant that it sounded wild, and really out there. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
RE: (313) new mix online
Those samples have been buggin me for quite some time since i couldn't remember the other record I owned with the same sample. So while listening to Howard Stern this morning the answer popped in my head, Nick holder used the same sample for Carnival on DNH or NRK If you purchaed the 'From within Album. I'll double check that tonight, but i'm 99% sure that's the other track. jwan - Original Message - From: Michael Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:03:14 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new mix online Good stuff. Helping to pass the last few (boring) hours of work... Any thoughts on where the vocal sample comes from on the first track? I have another record with the same sample. Mike SubSynth Records www.subsynth.net -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new mix online so yeah i did this mix last week just messing around with a small stack of records i took with me to my mom's house where my tables are, and it turned out okay so im putting it online. did it all in one shot with extremely limited selection, hence the 5 moodymann and 4 theo parrish related records. im not entirely pleased with some of the mixes between the disco records, but i dont really care that much. its hard mixing 2 non-sequenced records together. http://www.grizzlebees.com/tom/ feel free to let me know what you think of it : ) here's the track listing: Andres - Salvador de Bahia 1 - Mahogani 3 Chairs - All Over - 3 Chairs Brett Dancer - On the Roads - Track Mode Moodymann - Sweet Yesterday (Instrumental) - Peacefrog Theo Parrish and Marsellus Pittman - Evidence of the 5th Green Foot - Track Mode Mike Clark - The Creeper - Third Ear Brian Harden - Klear Keys II - Moods Grooves Eddie Fowlkes - Get the Funk - City Boy Gary Martin - Shakin That Thang - Movin House Music Moodymann - Track 4 - Peacefrog Maxwell - Like You - White Label Rick Wade - Consortium - Funky Chocolate Members of the House - Reach Out for the Love - Underground Resistance MFSB - Love is the Message (Mr. K Re-edit) - Disco Juice ? - ? (B Side track 1 Theo Re-edit) - Ugly Edits 5 Cheryl Lynn - Got To Be Real - Columbia De La Soul - Who's Skatin' Promo - Tommy Boy Theo Parrish - Lake Shore Drive - Sound Signature Eddie Old School Fowlkes - Soul Train - City Boy Moodymann - Forevernevermore - KDJ tom andythepooh.com -- ___ http://www.ign.com Upgrade to Premium IGN Email - 15MB of space - No ads! - Pop3 Downloads Powered by Outblaze
(313) Cds for sale
Hey all, one of my friend is selling off a bunch of cds. If you are interested let me know. Cari Lekebusch - Det Jag Vet (H. Productions) Jeff Mills - Time Machine (Tomorrow) Jeff Mills - Lifelike (Sony Music Entertainment) Thomas P. Heckmann - Raum (Mille Plateaux) Various - Annex 2 (Tresor) Various - Missile Launches 2 (Missile Records) _ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com
RE: (313) for the japanese techno freaks
Just got back from the gig... it's 6:20 here... and boy.. what a gig it was... UR were absolutely amazing. It's been 10 years since i've seen Mike play live and it was definitely worth the wait. Mills was also on fire... dj'ing before and after UR's 1hr10min live show. As you can imagine, this sort of collaboration is rare, and still to this day do they both complement each other. For the sake of everyone on this list and all others into techno, lets hope they take this on tour! I'll post a tracklisting of UR gig as soon as I get some slep. Peace out, Patrick. -- -- Southern Outpost - Sydney. Distribution: Twilight 76, Detroit http://www.southernoutpost.com Infiltrating your sound systems. --
(313) tonight in detroit
josh wink and kevin saunderson at motor 3515 caniff, hamtramck -Joe jinjin_a_gogo: i wonder what he's listening to in those bigass headphones while's he's spinning this shxt for us
RE: Re: (313) 'Techno' Music
Techno City was 1984. The term was in use long before Neil Rushton used it as a marketing hook, but it was a different kind of descriptive than house. Techno tends to be more instrumental, and the vocals are often consciously machine-like (Kraftwerk and Model 500 certainly share that approach). House is more vocal-based, with origins in soul, disco and the African American church. So in house you get a lot of proclaiming: I am the creator/and this is my house music . . . Techno, like bebop jazz, tends to take a more roundabout way to self-description. These are pretty fuzzy categories -- you have a lot of house that is very machinelike (certainly that's the whole point of acid house), and some techno with vocals, but after listening and playing a whole lot of both for a dozen years, I have a pretty clear idea in my own mind where the boundaries are. Although you can argue in particular cases whether a track is house or techno, and some seem to deliberately blend both (Octave One's I Believe is a good example). From a wider angle, house and techno are really part of the same musical continuum. They are not musically antagonistic and I always like to hear a blend of both as opposed to just house or just techno. This goes back all the way to the beginning 20 years ago in their co-development in Detroit and Chicago. fred fred
