Re: (313) Nice site (ot-software/composing)
While we're on the subject, http://www.creativesynth.com Run by my friend Darwin Grosse -- there is a Detroit connection -- I went to Jack The Nation in Chicago with Darwin, Stewart Tracy Walker, and Mike Dvorkin, and saw DJ Rolando and Traxx. That was the party that got shut down because someone bust a pipe in the bathroom, and all the power cabling for the PA was under 3 inches of water... I stood watching Traxx next to Kelli Hand, and lit her cigs for her, completely star struck. Aux 88 was supposed to play but bailed for one reason or another. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, diana potts wrote: A friend is involved with this site. Lots of articles on music software,film composition etc.. I thought it might be of interest to members of the list. http://www.soniccontrol.com
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
Let's be frank: the truth is that sexism is not deemed as offensive cuturally as racism, accuse a racist of racism and he will get defensive, accuse a male of sexism and it's laughed off. I always wondered about that. Let me get this straight---are you equating all males to sexists? That's outright prejudice. No, of course not. That's not what I said. I actually prefer - and really love - male company. Maybe I should have put a 'sexist male'. I guess it's ironic Andrew - a male - picked this up. ;) I see the sarcasm in the statement, but please try to see how offensive these comments could be to some of us. It was playful! Hence the ;) I thought it was funny that a male had more of a problem with the lyrics than say me a female. I'm sorry if I insulted any males but, let's be fair, that's probably indicative of what I'm saying. Women are not actually allowed to talk about sexism without bing silenced. I personally do not mind so much, and that's selffish on my part to other women. I feel I've established myself, and most of my most valued friends and colleagues are males, and we deal on equal terms, though not without working extremely hard work on my part. But on a wider level women are still very much disadvantaged in every area. Their primary function is still as sex objects and reproductive vessels. I became one of the boys, so it's all good to me. That's the trick I found!
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
I think that may be part of the new urban feminism that arose with Lil' Kim and co building on Madonna's brand of feminism. Things are internalised and subverted. Trad feminists had real issues when Madonna first came out and there has always been disquiet surrounding Kim, who acknowledged Madonna as an inspiration. Trina's song was written by Missy, so that's Missy's humour. I don't have much time for trad feminism and feminist academia as I believe they need to address the total lack of gender loyalty among (educated) women. I'm for equality for all, which I just explained in response to Ian's post. And, for the record, Missy has denied being a feminist, calling herself instead a humanist. I am sure Lester has some good points on all this, he's 313's resident political scientist and always puts forward sensible arguments. ;) lets also point out that for all the misogynism in hip hop, while to some degree it might be looked over from a female perspective of those who like that music... there is also an arguably reciprical aspect going on in hip hop and rb. i.e. to some degree there's a two way street, mutually exploitive aspect, like as far as lyrics by women to women a long the lines of girlfriend get that cash or get them keys. I dunno - I guess a good example would be Trina's No Panties. of course, many might point out that this sort of thing is self-exploitive but then, in a big picture sense I think misogyny is too. -- Original Message -- From: Cyclone Louise Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:29:08 +1100 I think it was dream hampton who wrote about how women - especially women of colour - listen and appreciate gangsta rap styles and somehow listen 'beyond' what could be construed as misogynism. Let's be frank: the truth is that sexism is not deemed as offensive cuturally as racism, accuse a racist of racism and he will get defensive, accuse a male of sexism and it's laughed off. I always wondered about that. You'd think *anything* that holds back a human should be abhored. I am philosophical about it. It is what it is. We women deal with it. I didn't even pick up on the 'sexism' in OutKast myself. I think there is a story line there. What concerns me more is how women do not support each other. I guess it's ironic Andrew - a male - picked this up. ;) On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:15:43 -, FC2 Richards wrote: Sorry to bust you open on this thread, but last time I listened to the words of hey ya it was all about waiting for the right girl. My wife happens to think that is the sweetest song on the album just because of what it is about. She can look past the whole bitch thing, and I think most people can. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it. Just choose what ever is the lesser of 2 evils. I chose to continue to listen to Outkast. ***don't get me wrong, i'm still listening to outkast; coincidentally, my fiance's favorite song on the double album is hey ya, and in my last live set i did sort of a live remix of hey ya/i like the way you move admist some of my own electro. i'm not hatin' on outkast. i wasn't singling out any lyrics in hey ya, i was just talking about outkast's lyrics in general--outkast came up on the list and the lyric thing has always been something i've been aware of when listening to them so i mentioned it (i still remember a negative bit that was said about lesbians in a song they did in the past that featured erykah badu; people would say to me hey, i'm digging that new outkast song with erkyah badu and i'd be saying yes, the music is great, but i wish they didn't have that line in there about lesbians. i can't even remember the song, but negative things like that stick with me. i could say nothing, but i say something because it bothers me. i don't see a need for heterosexual men to talk about lesbians at all, let alone negatively. i know my lesbian friends don't appreciate lyrics like that). anyway, what jumps out at me on first thought is the song on the new album whose last 2 minutes riffs on bitch...crazy bitch. as you said, i can just not listen to it. i listen to it, just cringe a bit when that bit comes on and let it keep playing. (my fiance, however, skips that song when she plays the album on her own; she says, damn, i can understand he's mad, but why does he have to say 'bitch' so much in this song? the point was made 20 'bitches' ago! i agree with her) different strokes for different folks, i suppose; i realize we all have different reactions to what is said in lyrics. as i said below, i like outkast, i just wish they were more positive lyrically about women and sexuality, that's all. (not meaning to drag this thread on and on, just wanted to clarify what i had said--pardon the pun--below) :) that's all from me on outkast's lyrics, i promise :) take care. andrew duke -Original Message- From:
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
This is a great response. I think it's fair enough to discuss it, though, and the issue has arisen in specific media, as that essay by dream showed. Andrew's contribution was well intentioned. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: hey ya? Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 6:30 AM On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, spacecrusher wrote: lets also point out that for all the misogynism in hip hop, It comes in many flavors -- straight up women-hating, parody of straight up women-hating, ironic, comic, critique of misogyny -- and it comes down to who's saying it, why they're saying it, and whether it reinforces negative attitudes in listeners. Whether Andres and Big Boy are women-haters or not? Dunno. Can you separate their personal attitudes from the characters they seek to portray in their songs? Are they holding up the character for critique, or are they actually expressing misogyny? Are they thoughtlessly incorporating the language of hip hop misogyny into their work without considering it's implications? And there's a thing in hip hop where the goal is to say the most outrageous thing you can and see if you get away with it. Like a phrase from Rampage I heard him drop Thursday night: I'm gonna beat you down worse than Oprah in 'The Color Purple' -- is that misogynistic, or just a battle rhyme? I think that it's easy to condemn stuff in hip-hop for being politically incorrect, and difficult to actually decode the message. If you like an artist's work in general it's easy to temporize to justify their less savory pronouncements. And those of us who are among the white audience of a primarily black art form, without the full context of the gender issues in African-American Culture, it's arrogant and possibly racist to make any sweeping statement.
Re: (313) dying business? [was: RE: Nu Era on Twisted Funk]
it wasn't peacfrog giving the lowball. it was a certain MAJOR label. On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Greg Earle wrote: Maxim Sullivan wrote: I think a few big artists have LP's ready and are struggling to find the advances they're looking for. So anyone heard anymore on the Kenny Larkin LP ? Is this the reason his has been delayed? Whoo boy. I was kibbitzing on a convo between Kenny and Our Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, and Kenny mentioned the advances offers for both his album and, I believe, Inner City. I won't repeat the figures here - needless to say they were quite insulting! (Let's just say that I'm glad I chose the computer weenie route instead of working Techno musician.) I think Kenny's album is gonna drop on Peacefrog sometime early next year ... (but don't quote me on that) - Greg
Re: (313) dying business? [was: RE: Nu Era on Twisted Funk]
perhaps their approach is to just put out music that they know has a certain base audience to recoup their cost, but if the artist wants more than that, they're on their own to promote. seems like a sensible business strategy. Unfortunately- that just leaves room for established artists. DOn't see anythign new and exciting coming from Peacefrog. Just the old stand-bys. Notgood for the long run. On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't quote you on that but if it does then Peacefrog is quickly becoming record label numero uno. Quite a powerhouse lately. MEK Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org DNS.ORG cc: Subject: Re: (313) dying business? [was: RE: Nu Era on Twisted Funk] 12/20/03 08:30 AM Please respond to 313 Maxim Sullivan wrote: I think a few big artists have LP's ready and are struggling to find the advances they're looking for. So anyone heard anymore on the Kenny Larkin LP ? Is this the reason his has been delayed? Whoo boy. I was kibbitzing on a convo between Kenny and Our Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, and Kenny mentioned the advances offers for both his album and, I believe, Inner City. I won't repeat the figures here - needless to say they were quite insulting! (Let's just say that I'm glad I chose the computer weenie route instead of working Techno musician.) I think Kenny's album is gonna drop on Peacefrog sometime early next year ... (but don't quote me on that) - Greg
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
I didn't mean to dog anyone in the discussion for being white and daring to discuss the issue, if that's the impression I gave. I just think there's a discussion to be had, placing misogyny in hip hop lyrics in the context of the unique problems facing black americans -- too many men in jail, too many women raising kids alone, negative images reflected back from the dominant culture, etc, etc. But such a discussion is probably better left to people who know those things first hand. And one last thing to mention -- there was a radio station in Oregon who was fined by the FCC for playing DJ Vadim Sarah Jones' track Your Revolution which was actually a critique of misogyny in hip hop! The fine was eventually appealed and reversed, but it's ironic that they got in trouble, not for playing thuggish tracks, but for a song OPPOSED to thuggish tracks. What message is that sending? On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Cyclone Louise Wehner wrote: I think it's fair enough to discuss it, though, and the issue has arisen in specific media, as that essay by dream showed. Andrew's contribution was well intentioned. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] And those of us who are among the white audience of a primarily black art form, without the full context of the gender issues in African-American Culture, it's arrogant and possibly racist to make any sweeping statement.
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Kent williams wrote: I didn't mean to dog anyone in the discussion for being white and daring to discuss the issue, if that's the impression I gave. I just think there's a discussion to be had, placing misogyny in hip hop lyrics in the context of the unique problems facing black americans -- too many men in jail, too many women raising kids alone, negative images reflected back from the dominant culture, etc, etc. But such a discussion is probably better left to people who know those things first hand. I understand what you're saying Kentand to a certain extent I agree. BUT the extreme is keeping it real right? In order to talk about X you have to be able to experience X. I don't think I should have to take meth to say meth has bad consequences. When I think about these issues this is what I try to keep in mind. *As African Americans live in the American context, it is important that we keep in mind the impact that larger processes that impact ALL Americans influence them. So here we're talking about the commodification of women largely for the purpose of profit that has the added benefit of keeping women subjugated. This dynamic isn't unique to African Americans, but is part and parcel of the larger American culture. Take a look at a Victoria Secret ad that 25 years ago could've never made it to the screen. *While popular music is considered to be the raw undiluted voice of the young (and in hip-hop's case the black young), popular music is SOLD AND MARKETED. Chuck D. said that rap is black America's CNN. He's both right and wrong. Rap is not news. It is entertainment. Rap isn't an undiluted image of what is really going on in black communities whether they be working class, or blueblood. But in as much as CNN's news is itself highly packaged and marketed, rap too has been niched in order to sell product. I'm working on a book about youth and politics in American cities, and I'm including a substantive section on pop culture (hiphop). Thinking about this in depth I'm realizing that it just isn't possible to refer to hiphop as an artform without taking the political economy of it into consideration. There is a REASON why my students know that 50 Cent has been shot nine times. And it has nothing to do with truth telling. *While African Americans are indeed Americans, they also serve as America's Other. In the past, miners used canaries as an early warning system. The gases the miners had the most to fear were both odorless and invisible. The only way they would know whether the gas was present was by the behavior of the canary. When the canary keeled over...the miners broke camp. Black people (and other people of color) serve as America's canary. The fault lines in the American project usually become most visible in these communities. But rather than taking the troubles of black people and using them to predict, contain, and cure problems of the wider community, a very different route is taken. These troubles are used to sell black product for the culture mill, and at the same time are used to further justify black exclusion. Just trying to keep these three ideas (blacks are american, blacks are the other, pop music is an economic product) in my head simultaneously is a difficult feat. but suffice it to say that because of these dynamics I'm willing to bet that the following assertions hold true about misogyny in hiphop: 1. Misogyny in hip-hop is a hyperextension rather than an accurate reflection of misogyny in black life. 2. Misogyny in hip-hop may be more pervasive than misogyny in rock...depending on how we are measuring it. 3. The social ills impacting black men in America are beginning to impact their white counterparts. So in as much as #2 holds true, I don't expect it to hold true for long. peace lks p.s. I apologize for the length of this post. I'm trying to get into work mode. Got a lot of work to do on this late saturday evening. p.p.s. I blog about these and other related issues at Visioncircle.org and given the length of this post I'll probably put it there. And one last thing to mention -- there was a radio station in Oregon who was fined by the FCC for playing DJ Vadim Sarah Jones' track Your Revolution which was actually a critique of misogyny in hip hop! The fine was eventually appealed and reversed, but it's ironic that they got in trouble, not for playing thuggish tracks, but for a song OPPOSED to thuggish tracks. What message is that sending? On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Cyclone Louise Wehner wrote: I think it's fair enough to discuss it, though, and the issue has arisen in specific media, as that essay by dream showed. Andrew's contribution was well intentioned. -- From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] And those of us who are among the white audience of a primarily black art form, without the full context of the gender issues in African-American Culture, it's
(313) in detroit next week
i hit town sometime tuesday probably and will stay at least through next weekend. (short and sweet!) lks
Re: (313) dying business? [was: RE: Nu Era on Twisted Funk]
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:36 AM Subject: Re: (313) dying business? [was: RE: Nu Era on Twisted Funk] perhaps their approach is to just put out music that they know has a certain base audience to recoup their cost, but if the artist wants more than that, they're on their own to promote. seems like a sensible business strategy. Unfortunately- that just leaves room for established artists. DOn't see anythign new and exciting coming from Peacefrog. Just the old stand-bys. Notgood for the long run. Absolutely right, in one sense, but then that's their role, innit? It's great that someone has been able to leverage that power and do whatever they want with it, as Peacefrog has been doing for the last 9 years or so. I don't think it should be their job to introduce new artists. If they get them, that's great, but why f*ck with the formula if it works? There is no shortage of labels pushing new artists. If anything there's an overload. And it seems to me that people generally ignore Peacefrog's new artists these days whenever they introduce them. How many people bought that Pimordial Evolution album? Or Jello? How many people are going to rush to buy the Marco Pazzarani album when it comes out? That should be obvious by name/stature, but I'd be surprised if it clears the shelves. The Charles Webster album is quite an anomoly in the sense that it's their biggest selling album ever, but in my mind that's more of a sylistic difference than marketing. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
- Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Cyclone Louise Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: Re: (313) Re: hey ya? Just trying to keep these three ideas (blacks are american, blacks are the other, pop music is an economic product) in my head simultaneously is a difficult feat. but suffice it to say that because of these dynamics I'm willing to bet that the following assertions hold true about misogyny in hiphop: 1. Misogyny in hip-hop is a hyperextension rather than an accurate reflection of misogyny in black life. That's the point really, innit? The point where misogyny becomes pervasive is the point where life imitates art. And unfortunately, I suspect we're approaching that more by the day. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Re: hey ya?
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Phonopsia wrote: - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Cyclone Louise Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: Re: (313) Re: hey ya? Just trying to keep these three ideas (blacks are american, blacks are the other, pop music is an economic product) in my head simultaneously is a difficult feat. but suffice it to say that because of these dynamics I'm willing to bet that the following assertions hold true about misogyny in hiphop: 1. Misogyny in hip-hop is a hyperextension rather than an accurate reflection of misogyny in black life. That's the point really, innit? The point where misogyny becomes pervasive is the point where life imitates art. And unfortunately, I suspect we're approaching that more by the day. innit? so i see the iowa accent has not effectively disappeared! ;) There's been some attempt to actually test this empiricallyto see whether exposure to rap music (or other aggressive art forms like heavy metal) has an impact on how people think and behave. there's some tentative support for the relationship. people listening to violent hip hop are more likely to support violence as a means of conflict resolution than people listening to non-violent hiphop. but more work needs to be done, in both testing the effect experimentally, and in tracing the development of these themes in the music (and on radio and video) over time. i'm doing some of this work myself, and we'll see what happens. peace lks
(313) innit
i meant to say that tristan's iowa accent has NOW effectively disappeared. ain't no iowans saying innit last i checked. ;) peace lks
(313) paging sean deason
Sean can you mail me please, i've got 2 old addresses of yours that keep bouncing. cheers Paul - Original Message - From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) Nice site (ot-software/composing) While we're on the subject, http://www.creativesynth.com Run by my friend Darwin Grosse -- there is a Detroit connection -- I went to Jack The Nation in Chicago with Darwin, Stewart Tracy Walker, and Mike Dvorkin, and saw DJ Rolando and Traxx. That was the party that got shut down because someone bust a pipe in the bathroom, and all the power cabling for the PA was under 3 inches of water... I stood watching Traxx next to Kelli Hand, and lit her cigs for her, completely star struck. Aux 88 was supposed to play but bailed for one reason or another. On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, diana potts wrote: A friend is involved with this site. Lots of articles on music software,film composition etc.. I thought it might be of interest to members of the list. http://www.soniccontrol.com
Re: (313) innit
- Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cyclone Louise Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:51 AM Subject: (313) innit i meant to say that tristan's iowa accent has NOW effectively disappeared. ain't no iowans saying innit last i checked. ;) Oi. I was born in England. I grew up in California, spent a few years in Ann Arbor, and *then* wound up in Iowa at 14. So my accent effectively is nowt, unless I'm just the American twat in Brixton. ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) UR unexploitable mix on Betoni
-- http://betoni.aivo.com/betoni53.mp3 regards ivan
RE: (313) Re: hey ya?
-Original Message- From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2003 06:50 There's been some attempt to actually test this empiricallyto see whether exposure to rap music (or other aggressive art forms like heavy metal) has an impact on how people think and behave. there's some tentative support for the relationship. people listening to violent hip hop are more likely to support violence as a means of conflict resolution than people listening to non-violent hiphop. The question is, though, does their tendency to support violence as a means of conflict resolution influence their musical tastes towards violent hip-hop, or has that tendency only come about as a result of their exposure to violent hip-hop? It's a bit of a chicken'n'egg question I suppose. Brendan
Re: (313) dying business? [was: RE: Nu Era on Twisted Funk]
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DOn't see anythign new and exciting coming from Peacefrog. Just the old stand-bys. Notgood for the long run. youve got to be kidding. peacefrog does the nearly impossible: they stay relevant and release mostly timelessly good music. how is this not good for the long run? not good for the long run is trend hopping and putting out garbage tunes to be different. good music is the most exciting thing you can release. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Before Techno
pre-techno/industrial/synth acts to look for der plan (crazy!) grauzone JT, where to start with these guys? I only know 'film 2' by grauzone... but love it (can't find for a price i can afford, either...) fad gadget 'ladyshave' is awesome... syncopated synth and drum machine sounds... what else to check out? peace, -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Best of 2003
*** Maarten Baute Awards 2003 *** ;) best upcoming artist: aroy dee best new label: ann aimee best radio show: matt macQueen and dave siska - clinically inclined Radio Show - http://sonicsunset.com/ best mixes: alex bond the salford house association / theo parrish live @ culture club, ghent best jokes (we got at least one person laughing with these): 1. jeffrey van moortel - (in dutch) hoe oud moet je zijn om in frankrijk een tatou te mogen laten zetten? - tatou-age 2. maarten baute - (in dutch) - wat staat er op het antwoordapparaat van bert (van bert ernie). - ik ben er-nie 3. jeffrey van moortel - (in dutch) hoe noemt men de stuurman van een schip? - de boter 4. jeffrey van moortel - (in dutch) ober, er groeit klimop in mijn haar. (tested in the lunch garden in ghent) 5. steve mareyt - (in dutch) wat kreeg het blinde meisje voor haar 18de verjaardag? - kanker records of the year (more or less in order): 01. stasis - past movements [ peacefrog pfg046lp ] (3x12) 02. aroy dee - goddess [ mos 0001 ] 03. as one - so far (so good) ... twelve years of electronic soul [ ubiquity urlp133 ] (3x12) 04. 3 chairs - all over [ 3 chairs 04 ] 05. larry heard - loosefingers ep [ alleviated ml2221 ] 06. cim - do not multiply models [ ann aimee ann-cd2 ] (cd) 07. larry heard - where life begins [ trackmode tmlp046 ] (2x12) 08. aroy dee - kiss / the planets ep [ nwaq 03 ] 09. yesterdays new quintet - stevie vol.1 [ ibo001 (white) ] (lp) 10. pitch black city featuring roberta sweed - runaway [ mahogany 003 ] 11. the detroit experiment - s/t [ planet e pe65272 ] (2x12) 12. nu era - some think electronic version 1.0 [ twisted funk tf1203 ] (2x10) 13. esther phillips - anthology [ soul brother ] (2x12) 14. pub - surgery [ ampoule 007 ] 15. alex cortex - inwards [ ann aimee lp001 ] (2x12) 16. arne weinberg - romantic machinery [ headspace 014 ] 17. rusty waters - rotating assembly [ sound signature 017 ] 18. larry heard - space jungle [ track mode 045 ] 19. cim - noki bay ep [ ann aimee 002 ] 20. moodymann - silence in the secret garden [ peacefrog pfg036 ] (2x12) 21. arne weinberg - cupola ep [ keynote gz010 ] 22. n´dambi - tunin up cosignin [ soul brother lpsbpj15 ] (2x12) 23. yotoko - wet ink [ delsin 42dsr/ytklp1 ] (2x12) 24. charles webster - remixed on the 24th of july [ peacefrog pfg037lp ] (2x12) 25. dan curtin - distort.archive.desire [ down low 010 ] 26. n´dambi - call me (yam who reworks) [ dam1 (promo) ] 27. $tinkworx - los gatos lloros [ delsin 43dsr/$tw2 ] 28. aztec mystic - aguila [ underground resistance 059 ] 29. further details - volume one [ real soon 001 ] 30. low res - 5 [ aim records 100-5 ] (7) 31. pepe bradock feat. michelle weeks - distorted echoes [ kif sa 032 ] 32. roy ayers - searching (the africa 70 version) [ rapster rr0026ep ] 33. moodymann - silence in the secret garden (album sampler) [ peacefrog pfg032 ] 34. madlib - shades of blue [ blue note 7243 5 36447 1 0 ] (2x12) 35. georg levin - in your car [ sonar kollektiv 007 ] 36. amp fiddler - love war ep [ genuine 016t ] 37. theo parrish - friendly childeren [ sound signature 018 ] 38. $tinkworx - drexion caves [ keynote 008 ] 39. kemit sources - play [ versatile 028 ] 40. hugh masekela - mama (metro area mix) [ verve ] 41. erykah badu - worldwide underground [ motown motb739lp ] (lp) 42. andrés - lp [ mahogani 5lp ] (lp) 43. the congos - congoman (carl craig edit) [ honest jon´s p5 ] 44. basic bastard - cruising / shortcut 2 [ ignitor 02-7 ] 45. robert hood - omega [ peacefrog pfg043 ] 46. rhythm sound feat. jah batta - music hit you [ burial mix 013 ] (10) 47. john arnold with amp fiddler - get yourself togheter [ ubiquity ur12137 ] 48. moodymann - shattered dreams (private pressing) [ peacefrog pfg041 ] 49. manmade science - times and senses [ philpot 003 ] 50. tread - 3 [ third ear 3elp6 ] (2x12) 51. reggie dokes - a piece of afro ep [ psychostasia 005 ] 52. various - sjors pik n kut ep [ rockwell lp001 ] (lp) 53. the matthew herbert big band - goodbye swingtime [ accidental 05lp ] (2x12) 54. iz diz - unnnhhh [ classic cmc31 ] 55. pepe bradock - 4 / intrusion [ atavisme 004 ] 56. madlib - shades of blue (album sampler) [ blue note 877987 ] 57. jaylib - the official / the red [ stones throw sth2061 ] 58. alex cortex - ctrl ep [ ann aimee 001 ] 59. madlib - slim's return [ blue note bti53009 ] 60. shake - convalescence [ frictional 014 ] 61. krikor - pas de nom [ karat 09 ] 62. rei loci - the future is our time [ headspace 013 ] 63. lucky easy - pimp soul blister ep [ ann aimee 003 ] 64. charles webster - remixed on the 24th of july (dubs part 1) [ peacefrog pfg023 ] 65. robert hood - wire to wire [ peacefrog pfg042 ] (2x12) 66. various - electron music ep [ iridite 004 ] 67. starfighterz - 4 flavours of a two-sided story part 1 [ delsin 41dsr/stf1 ] 68. pavel kostiuk - 2000 black presents pavel kostiuk and the musicals [ 2000 black lp002 ] (lp) 69. peven everett - kissing game / puerto rico [ kindred spirits ks002 ] 70. theo
Re: (313) Before Techno
for more fad gadget, my favourite was always 'back to nature'. but haven't heard it for years-might be more rock than electronic. twas a sad day that little 7inch melted in the hot australian sun. it was very sad to learn of his death last(?) year. james Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org t.com cc: (bcc: James Bucknell/ARD/AU/ReadersDigest) Subject: Re: (313) Before Techno 21/12/03 08:35 PM pre-techno/industrial/synth acts to look for der plan (crazy!) grauzone JT, where to start with these guys? I only know 'film 2' by grauzone... but love it (can't find for a price i can afford, either...) fad gadget 'ladyshave' is awesome... syncopated synth and drum machine sounds... what else to check out? peace, -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
RE: (313) Best of 2003 / Stasis
Ah fantastic- i would have put the new statis at the top of my list also if i had it. How are the unrelaeased tracks? I know the old ones and the are amazing. Quest Pond -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2003 9:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Best of 2003 *** Maarten Baute Awards 2003 *** ;) best upcoming artist: aroy dee best new label: ann aimee best radio show: matt macQueen and dave siska - clinically inclined Radio Show - http://sonicsunset.com/ best mixes: alex bond the salford house association / theo parrish live @ culture club, ghent best jokes (we got at least one person laughing with these): 1. jeffrey van moortel - (in dutch) hoe oud moet je zijn om in frankrijk een tatou te mogen laten zetten? - tatou-age 2. maarten baute - (in dutch) - wat staat er op het antwoordapparaat van bert (van bert ernie). - ik ben er-nie 3. jeffrey van moortel - (in dutch) hoe noemt men de stuurman van een schip? - de boter 4. jeffrey van moortel - (in dutch) ober, er groeit klimop in mijn haar. (tested in the lunch garden in ghent) 5. steve mareyt - (in dutch) wat kreeg het blinde meisje voor haar 18de verjaardag? - kanker records of the year (more or less in order): 01. stasis - past movements [ peacefrog pfg046lp ] (3x12) 02. aroy dee - goddess [ mos 0001 ] 03. as one - so far (so good) ... twelve years of electronic soul [ ubiquity urlp133 ] (3x12) 04. 3 chairs - all over [ 3 chairs 04 ] 05. larry heard - loosefingers ep [ alleviated ml2221 ] 06. cim - do not multiply models [ ann aimee ann-cd2 ] (cd) 07. larry heard - where life begins [ trackmode tmlp046 ] (2x12) 08. aroy dee - kiss / the planets ep [ nwaq 03 ] 09. yesterdays new quintet - stevie vol.1 [ ibo001 (white) ] (lp) 10. pitch black city featuring roberta sweed - runaway [ mahogany 003 ] 11. the detroit experiment - s/t [ planet e pe65272 ] (2x12) 12. nu era - some think electronic version 1.0 [ twisted funk tf1203 ] (2x10) 13. esther phillips - anthology [ soul brother ] (2x12) 14. pub - surgery [ ampoule 007 ] 15. alex cortex - inwards [ ann aimee lp001 ] (2x12) 16. arne weinberg - romantic machinery [ headspace 014 ] 17. rusty waters - rotating assembly [ sound signature 017 ] 18. larry heard - space jungle [ track mode 045 ] 19. cim - noki bay ep [ ann aimee 002 ] 20. moodymann - silence in the secret garden [ peacefrog pfg036 ] (2x12) 21. arne weinberg - cupola ep [ keynote gz010 ] 22. n´dambi - tunin up cosignin [ soul brother lpsbpj15 ] (2x12) 23. yotoko - wet ink [ delsin 42dsr/ytklp1 ] (2x12) 24. charles webster - remixed on the 24th of july [ peacefrog pfg037lp ] (2x12) 25. dan curtin - distort.archive.desire [ down low 010 ] 26. n´dambi - call me (yam who reworks) [ dam1 (promo) ] 27. $tinkworx - los gatos lloros [ delsin 43dsr/$tw2 ] 28. aztec mystic - aguila [ underground resistance 059 ] 29. further details - volume one [ real soon 001 ] 30. low res - 5 [ aim records 100-5 ] (7) 31. pepe bradock feat. michelle weeks - distorted echoes [ kif sa 032 ] 32. roy ayers - searching (the africa 70 version) [ rapster rr0026ep ] 33. moodymann - silence in the secret garden (album sampler) [ peacefrog pfg032 ] 34. madlib - shades of blue [ blue note 7243 5 36447 1 0 ] (2x12) 35. georg levin - in your car [ sonar kollektiv 007 ] 36. amp fiddler - love war ep [ genuine 016t ] 37. theo parrish - friendly childeren [ sound signature 018 ] 38. $tinkworx - drexion caves [ keynote 008 ] 39. kemit sources - play [ versatile 028 ] 40. hugh masekela - mama (metro area mix) [ verve ] 41. erykah badu - worldwide underground [ motown motb739lp ] (lp) 42. andrés - lp [ mahogani 5lp ] (lp) 43. the congos - congoman (carl craig edit) [ honest jon´s p5 ] 44. basic bastard - cruising / shortcut 2 [ ignitor 02-7 ] 45. robert hood - omega [ peacefrog pfg043 ] 46. rhythm sound feat. jah batta - music hit you [ burial mix 013 ] (10) 47. john arnold with amp fiddler - get yourself togheter [ ubiquity ur12137 ] 48. moodymann - shattered dreams (private pressing) [ peacefrog pfg041 ] 49. manmade science - times and senses [ philpot 003 ] 50. tread - 3 [ third ear 3elp6 ] (2x12) 51. reggie dokes - a piece of afro ep [ psychostasia 005 ] 52. various - sjors pik n kut ep [ rockwell lp001 ] (lp) 53. the matthew herbert big band - goodbye swingtime [ accidental 05lp ] (2x12) 54. iz diz - unnnhhh [ classic cmc31 ] 55. pepe bradock - 4 / intrusion [ atavisme 004 ] 56. madlib - shades of blue (album sampler) [ blue note 877987 ] 57. jaylib - the official / the red [ stones throw sth2061 ] 58. alex cortex - ctrl ep [ ann aimee 001 ] 59. madlib - slim's return [ blue note bti53009 ] 60. shake - convalescence [ frictional 014 ] 61. krikor - pas de nom [ karat 09 ] 62. rei loci - the future is our time [ headspace 013 ] 63. lucky easy - pimp soul blister ep [ ann aimee 003 ] 64. charles webster - remixed on the 24th of july (dubs part 1) [ peacefrog pfg023 ] 65. robert hood - wire to
Re: (313) UR unexploitable mix on Betoni
i went http://betoni.aivo.com/ to see what other mixes were up, but just got a parent page with a list mp3 filemanes (eg. betoni50.mp3). is there a page that describes what these mixes are/who they are by? thanks for the UR mix! thanks james Ivan Tomasevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org b.bg.ac.yu cc: (bcc: James Bucknell/ARD/AU/ReadersDigest) Subject: (313) UR unexploitable mix on Betoni 21/12/03 12:20 PM -- http://betoni.aivo.com/betoni53.mp3 regards ivan
