RE: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Logic7
Not quite near downtown, but on Michigan ave and The Southfield freeway
there's Al-Berdouni's(sp) for excellent Arabic food and Rosa's Mexican
Resturant on the same block. I used to work at a car audio shop that was
there years ago and we ate there daily.

Plus there's always American Coney Island on Lafayette/Michigan ave/Woodward
right downtown.

George Jones - Logic7
http://allways.nu
http://www.geocities.com/labwerx

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To: 313
Subject: (313) food in tha D



Chicken...rings...euw...you don't wanna know what that means
here...probably quite accurate anyway...

anyone got any reccomendations of places to eat near hart plaza area hit
me privately thanx

p


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Re: (313) new theo parrish/rotating assembly album

2004-03-24 Thread David Gillies
On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 14:35 +0100, Marsel // Nomorewords.net wrote:
 it's out this week

Just got it in the mail yesterday. I'm still taking it in :-) But what
I've heard so far is niiice.



(313) pleadingh and begging.

2004-03-24 Thread Shakirtony
Hey 313 folks,

One must never forget is that this still is the music business. And 
just enjoy their music. Is is still available for purchase. Business, is always 
business. Maybe you'll discover something new, that is available now. I'll 
just enjoy the show. 

   Shake Shakir.


RE: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread diana potts

Didnt someone put together an info page of places to
eat etc. one year? There are usually food vendors on
the festival grounds.

Might I suggest stopping by Jacoby's pub for some
great beers and nice people. Cass Cafe is one of my
favorites (in the Wayne State area-great veggie menu)

When in Detroit eat (if you can): Middle Eastern,
Greek, Ethiopian (oh the ethiopian wine!), sould  food
and Coney Dogs 

and DRINK VERNORS!!


ppl always look at me strange when i tell them my
comfort foods are hummus, baba ganouji and greek
salads (extra beets,hold the olives,dressing on the
side...and dont forget the saganaki)

but hey- why eat that when you could have white
castle? :)


d
np:shawn rudiman,mix cd
--- Logic7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not quite near downtown, but on Michigan ave and The
 Southfield freeway
 there's Al-Berdouni's(sp) for excellent Arabic food
 and Rosa's Mexican
 Resturant on the same block. I used to work at a car
 audio shop that was
 there years ago and we ate there daily.
 
 Plus there's always American Coney Island on
 Lafayette/Michigan ave/Woodward
 right downtown.
 
 George Jones - Logic7
 http://allways.nu
 http://www.geocities.com/labwerx
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Philip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:30 PM
 To: 313
 Subject: (313) food in tha D
 
 
 
 Chicken...rings...euw...you don't wanna know what
 that means
 here...probably quite accurate anyway...
 
 anyone got any reccomendations of places to eat near
 hart plaza area hit
 me privately thanx
 
 p
 
 
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Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread ddonohue
Please, I didn't put any personal comments in my statement, and I'd
appreciate it if you kept yours out as well.  I'm not saying it's bad, or
good, merely stating that there is a huge range of opinions on teh subject
of techno, and one person's view of what techno is, can be completely
contrary to someone els's.

Looks like you are an example of your very own statement, except you put
personal slander in your mail :\

Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories, because it has
blossomed into the subculture it is, because of its anonymity, and it's
faceless appeal.  This is what makes finding good music a difficult task
as well - because everyone classifies things in a little different way
than others.

ez...

dns.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, john harvey wrote:

 it is unbelievable how so many people on this list take things completely
 the wrong way, and totally out of context, the statement below being a great
 example.


  The key phrase in that being stuff that Brandan Nelson thinks is good
  techno.  Sorry, but there may be other people with differing opinions out
  there.  Just because you think something isn't techno, doesn't mean it is
  or isn't.  Techno is as techno does.

 what the fu*k are you on about?

 its obvious to anyone with a tiny brain that brendan didn't mean anything
 like what you're attempting to imply.





RE: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 19 March 2004 w/ special guest set

2004-03-24 Thread Lee Herrington IV


  man...  i can't wait to listen to this show in the car! :-)  if clear
channel didn't own the air waves out here in cleveland, OH... we might have
a chance at radio content as rewarding as matt's friday night audio
excursions.  keep taking us to school mr. macqueen.

cheers,
lrh

-Original Message-
From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:55 AM
To: 313
Cc: Zach Lubin; Dave Siska
Subject: (313) Playlist WNUR Chicago - 19 March 2004 w/ special guest
set


Clinically Inclined
19 March 2004
Fridays 10:30pm - 1:00am,  89.3 FM WNUR in Chicago
http://SonicSunset.com  -- download this show


Zach,  Part 1   We are VERY proud to host a live in-studio DJ set by
Chicago's own 'Smoothtrack' Zach Lubin.  He has brought his quickmix
hands on DJ style to Holland, Spain and Belgium to spin alongside
DJ's such as Claude Young, Richie Hawtin, The Advent and Laurent
Garnier. Zach drops a Mayday style cut-n-scratch mix of some
house/disco/jackin' favorites for a fun as hell party-style set.  Quick
cuts, drop-ins and rocking doubles are his specialty -- hold on tight!

Matt,  Part 2   If you like your electro Detroit-style with 808's,
cowbells and deep ominous strings, go underwater for a dive with an
tank full of Drexicyan and UR ionized air, also exploring aqualife by
Duplex, Electronome (I-f's early work) and Dynarec... Slip into new
music on Glasgow's Iridite records and a brand new Juan Atkins release
on New Religion.


Part 1'Smoothtrack' Zach Lubin
http://zacharylubin.com  for info  booking

Willie Hutch - brothas gonna work it out- The Mack (Motown) 1973
Steve Poindexter - The Rhythm - Short Circuit (Housetime) 1989
Zachary Lubin - Warehouse Jams (promo) - (Engineer)
Todd Terry - Don't Get Carried Away - The Unreleased Project (TNT)
Todd Terry - TNT Theme - The Unreleased Project
Patrick Adams - Disco Juice (PP)  1976
Moodymann - Don't You Want My Love [Long Mix]   (Peacefrog)
Brother of Soul - Be Right There - Music (Guidance)
Dada Nada - Haunted House [Mike Hitman Wilson remix] (Voice) 1988
Kasso - One More Round [Frankie Knuckles 86 House Mix] (Haristol) 1986
Tropical Underworld - Citric - The Rainbow EP (Definitive)
Gemini - X - On The North Star with Gemini (Peacefrog)
Losoul - Discover - Don Disco de Super Bleep (Playhouse)
Earth People - Dance [Club Mix] (Under World)
Reese - Rock To The Beat [Mayday Mix]  (KMS) 1989
Sylvester - I Need You (Re Edit) - (Coko)
Louis Bell - If You Can Dance - Can You Feel What I Feel Vol 2 (Relief)
House of Gypsies - Le Megamix -  Gypsyland (Freeze)
Royal House - Can U Party - (Idlers) 1988
Parris Mitchell - Computer - The Track Stars (Dance Mania)
Chico Jump Slamm - Feelfree - Slamm Project  (Cajual)
Adonis - No Way Back (Trax) 1986
The Infinity Collection -  Moon Beam  (Tresor)
Jungle Crew - Elektric Dance (Elektro Sounds) 1989
Stacey Kidd - Give It To Me - 15213 N Loomis (Dance Mania)
The Todd Terry Project - Jumpin - Unreleased Project Pt. 4 (TNT)
K Alexi - Medusa - The Classic K (Trax)
Metro Area - Caught Up (Environ)


Part 2Matt MacQueen

Utroid Machine Missions - ? -  Black Hole EP (U-Trax)
Electronome - Bass Commander - Music Telex (Viewlexx)
The Advent - Audio Illusion - Interference EP (Internal)
Dynarec - The Lost Souls - Lost Souls EP (Delsin)
Unknown DJ - Basstronic  (Techno Kut) 1988
Drexciya - Bubble Metropolis - Drexciya 2 (Underground Resistance)
UR - Lunar Rhythms - Soundsculptures EP (SID)
Galaxy 2 Galaxy - Journey of the Dragons (Underground Resistance)
Dark Energy - Black Strategy - Hidden In Plain Sight EP  (Underground
Resistance)
Electronome - ? - No Landscape (Interr-Ference Records)
Drexciya  - Antivapor Waves - 3: Molecular Ehnamcement (Rephlex)
Drexciya - Hydro Cubes - 3: Molecular Enhancement (Rephlex)
Drexciya - Aquatic Bata Particles - 3: Molecular Ehnamcement (Rephlex)
The Martian - 808 [Surface Temperature Mix] - Sex In Zero Gravity (Red
Planet)
Acid Jesus - Ultraviolet - Radiation EP (Klang)
Methodology - Wake Up America - Electron Music EP (Iridite)
Duplex - Motion Blur - EP 5 (Clone)
Quant - Slide - Quantical Quantasam (Dot)
Psyche - From Beyond (Transmat)
Shake - Live For Friction - Iconoclastic Diaries (Frictional)
Model 500 - Track Ten (New Religion)
Speedy J - Rise (Plus 8)


peace
--
Matt MacQueen
http://SonicSunset.com



RE: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Scott K Ellis
You can't get Ethiopian in Detroit any longer, have to go to Windsor (via
Tunnel Bus) to Marathon, but the price is right and the food is great.

Noteworthy downtown spots include: Cafe D' Troit (on Library street) for
good sandwiches,  cheap Odawala bars, and free wireless internet; Detroit
Beer Co. (on Broadway) for excellent micro-brews and nice eats for all
tastes.

Scott


 When in Detroit eat (if you can): Middle Eastern,
Greek, Ethiopian (oh the ethiopian wine!), sould  food
and Coney Dogs

 and DRINK VERNORS!!

 d



RE: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread doris
i still have a document someone sent out one year.  the first half or so 
is obviously outdated, but it gets relevant with restaurants/places to 
see/shop etc. towards the bottom

http://datavibe.net/~doris/demf.rtf


On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, diana potts wrote:

 
 Didnt someone put together an info page of places to
 eat etc. one year? There are usually food vendors on
 the festival grounds.


Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread john harvey

 Please, I didn't put any personal comments in my statement, and I'd
 appreciate it if you kept yours out as well.  I'm not saying it's bad, or
 good, merely stating that there is a huge range of opinions on teh subject
 of techno, and one person's view of what techno is, can be completely
 contrary to someone els's.

yeah but this isn't what brendan was saying

 Looks like you are an example of your very own statement, except you put
 personal slander in your mail :\

where?

 Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

yes you can.











 On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, john harvey wrote:

  it is unbelievable how so many people on this list take things
completely
  the wrong way, and totally out of context, the statement below being a
great
  example.
 
 
   The key phrase in that being stuff that Brandan Nelson thinks is good
   techno.  Sorry, but there may be other people with differing opinions
out
   there.  Just because you think something isn't techno, doesn't mean it
is
   or isn't.  Techno is as techno does.
 
  what the fu*k are you on about?
 
  its obvious to anyone with a tiny brain that brendan didn't mean
anything
  like what you're attempting to imply.
 
 
 





(313) heidelberg project

2004-03-24 Thread Philip

Peeps - was the H project destroyed last year ?

p



RE: (313) heidelberg project

2004-03-24 Thread Scott K Ellis
Oh No, It's still there. Bigger than ever. Check out the website:
www.heidelberg.org

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Philip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:37 PM
To: 313
Subject: (313) heidelberg project



Peeps - was the H project destroyed last year ?

p



Re: (313) Magic Trax/Magic Feet

2004-03-24 Thread Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




this weekend myself and another 313 member who lurks around here went on a
marathon record shopping spree and we found a few gems

out of mine I came away with D. Knox's Body of Christ EP on Magic Trax -
sadly the magazine wasn't with it but the vinyl is mint. Looks like it had
been sitting in the shop untouched for years (it's a '97 release). So - is
there only 5 vinyl releases on Magic Trax as it says on discogs.com and how
are the others?
The D Knox is a slamming 12

 

Yes, there were just the five. I've got all five (thanks to writing for 
the mag) and, though
my records are a total mess and I couldn't locate them in a jiffy, if 
memory serves they

were all good, 'specially the Hacker and the Michael Forshaw. Andrew Duke

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RE: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Fred Heutte
No trip to Detroit is complete without a stop in Greektown.
But let's face it, the quality varies somewhat.  My favorite
place is actually the Cyprus at 579 Monroe.  And while it's
not Greek, Fishbones (the Cajun/seafood place at 400 Monroe)
is quite good, and so is Pizza Papalis.

But no trip to Detroit is complete unless you also eat outside
of Greektown.  It's been years since I was at dinner with a
Famous Detroit Techno Producer there, but Union Street is
a really good place (4145 Woodward).  And of course you
have the Majestic right across the street (4130 Woodward).

A few years ago during the DEMF we had a big crew that
went to Armando's on W. Vernor in Mexicantown -- crowded
and fun.

When you get out past the city line, there are a lot of
alternatives.  Royal Oak has a bunch of pretty good restaurants,
as does Ferndale.

The Clock in Hamtramck is legendary, but the food is below-
par greasy diner stuff.

Dearborn has many choices including the mega-starship of
Middle Eastern restaurants, La Shish (I think they have about
8 of those scattered all over the place now, definitely worth
going, wish they would open up downtown).  And the only
halal McDonald's I've ever seen.

Just inside the city line at 7511 Michigan Ave there is the
Starlite owned by the Josifooski family (that's what it says on
their business card here) and I give that my highest honors for
holding up a tradition that is dying out, the family diner, and
the homemade sausages and pierogies are worth the trip.

I have to admit there are lots of places I should have gone to
in Detroit over the years, so maybe this year's festival is the
time to venture out.  Looking for that exceptional BBQ, the
really good Chinese places, etc.  There's a slew of Mexican
and Central American places on Bagley.  And believe it or not
after all these years I've never eaten at Eastern Market.

One up!  I have a soft spot in my heart for Lafayette Coney
Island, but not my stomach.  So I stick to the apple pie and
the ambience when I go there :)

fred



Re: (313) Magic Trax/Magic Feet

2004-03-24 Thread Drew Daugherty
Ok so that lurker would be me.  We did find some good rekkids in our 
marathon-long quest indeed.  I think the find of the day was a copy of 
the kdj/carl craig urban tribe d-2000 on mo wax for $2.99 + 15% discount 
:-)  Granted the record isn't in that good a shape but man...


Other goodies (in no particular order):

Kemetic Just For Your Love Remixes (you gotta love pepe bradock :)
Blaze Funky People  (also 2.99)
Brian Harden Nubirth Project Vol 1
Like This Productions Shredded Melodies EP
Pablo All Praises Due
Carl Craig Angola
Mark Ambrose Techniques
Soulphiction Jump Off The Bandwagon
Alton Miller Progressions/Time  Space
Scott Grooves Rise
And many more new releases including Harry the Bastard 1, BC represses, 
Reese, etc.


I would say some the standouts were the soulphiction - very deep trak w/ 
voice over to start off with, blaze  kdj - of course!,  scott grooves 
for a house organ meltdown, harry the bastard - so many great tracks on 
this comp, and the like this productions.  Oh well, back to listening... 
*puts ear to record*


-drew

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





this weekend myself and another 313 member who lurks around here went on a
marathon record shopping spree and we found a few gems

out of mine I came away with D. Knox's Body of Christ EP on Magic Trax -
sadly the magazine wasn't with it but the vinyl is mint. Looks like it had
been sitting in the shop untouched for years (it's a '97 release). So - is
there only 5 vinyl releases on Magic Trax as it says on discogs.com and how
are the others?
The D Knox is a slamming 12

also found:

Faceless Techno Bastards ...Are a complete hype  on Eevolute

a few Alton Miller 12s
Rob Hood Militant

and a few bags more that I can't recall right now

MEK




(313) May in April 04 URB

2004-03-24 Thread lisa

Just arrived today ... short blurb in the April URB on Movement ...

MOVEMENT MAINTAINS

Detroit electronic music festival hits the half-decade mark

The always gigantic and usually dramatic Movement [formerly DEMF] 
electronic music festival held in Detroit will reach a milestone as it 
celebrates its fifth anniversary this Memorial Day. After four years of 
money issues, management changes and artistic infighting, the festival 
remains one of the most vibrant weekends on the American dance music 
calendar.


Producer Derrick May, who personally helped bankroll last year's event 
after taking over from the controversial Pop Culture Media [who produced 
the first three outings], can finally fun the festival free from 
doubters. He has already secured a multi-year contract from the city and 
full sponsorship for 2004 and is looking forward to taking the Movement 
Festival to new heights.


We're trying to get some next-level acts this year, May told URB. 
We're not just trying to do the DJ thing. The DJ is the backbone of the 
event. It's still going to be the backbone, but we need to really be one 
step ahead and not be predictable.


At press time, May was unable to reveal any of the scheduled acts, 
although he made clear that one of the most heavily rumored bookings was 
still a work in progress. Further information on the event can be 
obtained at www.movementfestival.com


Joshua Glazer



Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Ian Malbon
Folks on this list who know me know that I'm as passionate about food 
as I am about Techno.  Some links and thoughts categorized:


On Site:
Hart Plaza underground has a few good choices while you're at the 
festival, but the atmosphere is not about food.  Try the Chicken 
Shwarma.  Don't expect anything satisfying if you have a press pass for 
freebies.


Curries:
Chicken Curry at the Small World Cafe is legendary to art students and 
Web workers.  Basement of the International Center near CCS.

http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=2619

Deli:
The debate rages on, classic style at Russell St.
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=3112
vs. funky UK style at E.P.H McNally's in Corktown
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=3947

Funky Pub:
Center Street has been remodeled, in slightly slicker fashion.  Food 
not as good as pints, but fun and literally underground.

http://www.freep.com/entertainment/newsandreviews/club3_20001103.htm

Raw/On Your Own:
If you like it raw, or just trust your own devices, PLEASE spend 
Saturday morning at Eastern market.  It's Detroit's largest classic 
produce marketplace, and hands-down the best way to people-watch 
Detroit's diversity.  Barter for a flat of strawberries, steal a grape, 
get more bell peppers than a dollar should buy.  Don't miss Rafal Spice 
Co., or R. Hirt. Jr. for the best cheese selection in the Metro Area (1 
lb. cuts only)

http://www.easternmarket.org/

Shouts out:  rasta wings at Union St. (be prepared), two up at 
Lafayette Coney Island, quiche and wine at Twingo's, and potato pierogi 
with sausage at Polonia in Hamtramck.


BBQ:
I'm very biased here.  Assuming Linda and I are in town this year, 
there's a good chance I'll arrange for a pre-festival list-meet 
barbecue again Friday Night at my house in Royal Oak.  More info later, 
but let me know if you want to make it.  Dennis--are you hosting a 
pre-party too?


(ob313:  is anyone else finding US domestic releases of good techno 
CD's slowing to a crawl?)

--
Ian 



RE: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread eric trout


On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Fred Heutte wrote:

 Dearborn has many choices including the mega-starship of
 Middle Eastern restaurants, La Shish (I think they have about


no La Shish for me this year. i always end up going there and missing
someone i really wanted to see. missed Aril Brikha the first year, and
last year...well, i dont quite remember who i missed, but no La Shish this
year. also, as far as food goes, i've always been pretty into eating
breakfast at the Shorecrest(although i cant remember the name of the diner
right now). nothing special, i guess, but a good solid diner breakfast!



Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Adam H
Walking distance from Hart Plaza?  Cyprus Taverna, Nikkis Pizza(best 
pizza I have ever had)  Xochimilcos is a short drive away if you like 
mexican food.



On Mar 23, 2004, at 18:29, Philip wrote:



Chicken...rings...euw...you don't wanna know what that means
here...probably quite accurate anyway...

anyone got any reccomendations of places to eat near hart plaza area 
hit

me privately thanx

p





Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Adam H
Walking distance from Hart Plaza?  Cyprus Taverna, Nikkis Pizza(best 
pizza I have ever had)  Xochimilcos is a short drive away if you like 
mexican food.



On Mar 23, 2004, at 18:29, Philip wrote:



Chicken...rings...euw...you don't wanna know what that means
here...probably quite accurate anyway...

anyone got any reccomendations of places to eat near hart plaza area 
hit

me privately thanx

p





Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Ian Malbon

Asian additions follow...

On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Fred Heutte wrote:


 Looking for that really good Chinese place


Chinese:
Out of the way, but I've only been impressed by Hong Hua
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=6325

Japanese:
Not quite as out of the way, and worth a trip IMHO for the freshest,  
humblest
Sushi in town, in Noble Fish (it's a grocery that supplies other Sushi  
bars)
http://info.detnews.com/restaurants/index.cfm? 
fuseaction=home.singleresultsrestaurantid=433locationid=463


Korean:
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=7879

Detroit still needs some decent Asian food in the city limits.  This  
comes close:


Sala Thai:
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=2642
--
Ian 



Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Scotto
sorry none of my suggestions are walking distance but if you go record
shopping you will need a car anyways so.

record time/record collector in ferndale - you must hit up the bangkok cafe.
best  thai in detroit imo

threads in hamtramck - salvador deli cool joint, there is this way cool
looking plish resturant there but its always packed, which is a good sign.

forans is with in walking distance will have good music playing and has
great burgers

scotto
lansing, mi
plaztikjezuz.com



RE: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Brendan Nelson
Yeah, but don't you accept that the huge range of opinions you mention is,
at the end of the day, an amalgamation of the opinions of a whole range of
individuals? And that some of these individuals might sometimes dare to
voice the specific opinions they have on the subject of techno? And that
they may in fact dare to do so on the 313 list, in the hope that they're not
going to be pounced on by someone taking their remarks completely the wrong
way?

You seem to imply that because one person's view of what techno is might
contradict someone else's completely, people shouldn't be allowed to say
what their views of techno actually *are*. I disagree with this entirely -
I'm extremely interested in what other people's views of techno music are
and I would like to see *more* people try to articulate it, rather than have
it turn into a taboo subject you can't mention on 313 without being leapt
on.

Brendan

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:35 AM
 To: john harvey
 Cc: 313
 Subject: Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...


 Please, I didn't put any personal comments in my statement, and I'd
 appreciate it if you kept yours out as well.  I'm not saying it's bad, or
 good, merely stating that there is a huge range of opinions on teh subject
 of techno, and one person's view of what techno is, can be completely
 contrary to someone els's.



Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Martin Dust
Easy, easy...

The way I see it - It came out of Detroit and now there's no way that cat is
going back in the bag, we've got all kinds of flavours - which is how it was
supposed to be - the beautiful thing is you can make it your own or you can
build blocks in Cubase/Logic - the choice is yours and I'm feeling it...Sat
here listening to new Black Dog followed by much harder stuff by System 23 -
it all works - I'm having a great day, stop worrying about the hair do and
don'ts...

Martin Dust




24/3/04 8:44 AM Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Yeah, but don't you accept that the huge range of opinions you mention is,
 at the end of the day, an amalgamation of the opinions of a whole range of
 individuals? And that some of these individuals might sometimes dare to
 voice the specific opinions they have on the subject of techno? And that
 they may in fact dare to do so on the 313 list, in the hope that they're not
 going to be pounced on by someone taking their remarks completely the wrong
 way?
 
 You seem to imply that because one person's view of what techno is might
 contradict someone else's completely, people shouldn't be allowed to say
 what their views of techno actually *are*. I disagree with this entirely -
 I'm extremely interested in what other people's views of techno music are
 and I would like to see *more* people try to articulate it, rather than have
 it turn into a taboo subject you can't mention on 313 without being leapt
 on.
 
 Brendan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:35 AM
 To: john harvey
 Cc: 313
 Subject: Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...
 
 
 Please, I didn't put any personal comments in my statement, and I'd
 appreciate it if you kept yours out as well.  I'm not saying it's bad, or
 good, merely stating that there is a huge range of opinions on teh subject
 of techno, and one person's view of what techno is, can be completely
 contrary to someone els's.
 
 



RE: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Brendan Nelson
I'm sat here listening to a heavy dub remake of the theme tune from
Sorry!, so I'm clearly having a great day too :)

Brendan

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:59 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313
 Subject: Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

 Sat here listening to new Black Dog followed by much harder
 stuff by System 23 - it all works - I'm having a great day

 Martin Dust



Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread Southern Outpost
Don't forget the Clique Diner (at the front of the Shorecrest) for 
the best breakfast grill in Detroit!


I have to agree La Shish in Dearborn is the best for Middle Eastern 
food.. I have a hard time walking outta there! ;)


Mumma's Kitchen(?) for Soul Food, ribs, corn bread and the peach 
cobber are droolicious!


Pretty much any mexican food joint in Mexican Town.

Oh, and don't forget to stock up un Faygo Red Pop ;)


Peace,
Patrick.

At 12:11 AM -0500 24/3/04, Ian Malbon wrote:

Asian additions follow...

On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Fred Heutte wrote:


 Looking for that really good Chinese place


Chinese:
Out of the way, but I've only been impressed by Hong Hua
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=6325

Japanese:
Not quite as out of the way, and worth a trip IMHO for the freshest, humblest
Sushi in town, in Noble Fish (it's a grocery that supplies other Sushi bars)
http://info.detnews.com/restaurants/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.singleresultsrestaurantid=433locationid=463

Korean:
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=7879

Detroit still needs some decent Asian food in the city limits.  This 
comes close:


Sala Thai:
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=2642
--
Ian



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Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread alex . bond

listening to new Black Dog

any scoop here Martin?
hows it sounding, old? new?

something fresh?
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(313) New Black Dog record? (was: what is Detroit techno)

2004-03-24 Thread Jussi Lehtonen
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Martin Dust wrote:

 Sat here listening to new Black Dog followed by much harder stuff by 
 System 23

Martin, I believe you have some information on this: When will the new 
Black Dog record be released? (or is it out already? *gasp*)

Please don't throw a penny into the wishing well, the penny might land on 
the hole and block out the sky... The track is creepy but excellent, as 
is the whole Unsavoury Products. :)

(To make this D-related: The Black Dog is one performance I'd definetely 
like to see in The Movement [if I had the cash to come there... :/ ])


Jussi Lehtonen

  Metaprogram yourself.


(313) Black Dog

2004-03-24 Thread Martin Dust
This is all top secret so don't tell anyone///

With regards Black Dog, he's in the studio finishing an EP, this will be
released in July and followed by two remix 12's and then the album.

The sound, well classic Black Dog with a new twist - the reactions we are
getting have been excellent so far - it's like a cannabis radox soaked bath
of electronic love.

Plus, watch the venue listings in October for something special...

Over and Out
Dog666 and Dog23



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 something fresh?
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(313) Mad Max - Tresor

2004-03-24 Thread iancheshire
Hi all
 
Sorry to bother you but does anyone have an email address for Mad Max at Tresor
please?
 
hit me me privately..
 
thanks
Ian


(313) Mad Max Tresor email - thanks got it :)

2004-03-24 Thread iancheshire
 


(313) RS Interview in XLR8R

2004-03-24 Thread Andrew
Hey,

Looks like I missed the Rhythm  Sound interview in the last XLR8R, can't
find it anywhere here in London. Can anyone step up with a scan?

Cheers,

Andrew





(313) London Party - Lost

2004-03-24 Thread alex . bond
got this mail through...
LOST
presents
COSMIC ENTITY

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featuring
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+ guests
JUAN ATKINS - (METROPLEX, DETROIT) - exclusive U.K. date
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RE: (313) London Party - Lost

2004-03-24 Thread Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
Looking forward to seeing SK after a lengthy absence.

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2004-03-24 Thread iancheshire
SK!!! wicked! Left front speakers :) see you there!

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(313) Suburban Knight

2004-03-24 Thread jason kenjar

whats up list-

I've always liked James Pennington's (SKs) style of mixing. He ads a  
signature touch to those old UR records. He breathes new life into  
those very old tracks whenever he gets down. He has an uncanny sense of  
timing and knows exactly when to drop in a new track every time. A very  
controlled DJ who is not afraid to experiment.


Take care UK'ers, enjoy one of UR's best.

-jasonk





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RE: (313) Suburban Knight

2004-03-24 Thread Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)
You know that. 

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whats up list-

I've always liked James Pennington's (SKs) style of mixing. He ads a  
signature touch to those old UR records. He breathes new life into  
those very old tracks whenever he gets down. He has an uncanny sense of  
timing and knows exactly when to drop in a new track every time. A very  
controlled DJ who is not afraid to experiment.

Take care UK'ers, enjoy one of UR's best.

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Re: (313) London Party - Lost

2004-03-24 Thread max
Yay, another reason to visit the smog!! 
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Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




 Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

yes you can.

Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they can break a
pencil but why would you want to?

MEK



Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Nik
It helps you find music on your iPod, but other than that

Pigeonholing is bad.

And squeezing your ass cheeks is good - if overlooked - exercise.

N

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/03/2004 17:59:42 




 Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

yes you can.

Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they can break a
pencil but why would you want to?

MEK




Re: (313) London Party - Lost

2004-03-24 Thread avant
wow! can't wait to see suburban knight - I was completely blown away when I
saw him last at LOST doing a live set at The Works - what an amazing night
that was - put detroit techno into a completely new light for me.
anyone know if he will be live or dj set?

matt :)


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Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
what exactly is this techno thing you guys arent talking about? 

tom


-- Original Message --
From: Nik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:33 +

It helps you find music on your iPod, but other than that

Pigeonholing is bad.

And squeezing your ass cheeks is good - if overlooked - exercise.

N

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/03/2004 17:59:42 




 Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

yes you can.

Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they 
can break a
pencil but why would you want to?

MEK



 


andythepooh.com


 
   


Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Nik
Call it techno ... call it whatever the hell you want... but go and check out 
the 'Transatlantic Nightclub EP' on www.thinnerism.com 

http://www.thinnerism.com/releases.php?r=thn052

It is certainly doing it for me.

Peace,

N

 Thomas D. Cox, Jr.[EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/03/2004 18:14:13 
what exactly is this techno thing you guys arent talking about? 

tom


-- Original Message --
From: Nik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:33 +

It helps you find music on your iPod, but other than that

Pigeonholing is bad.

And squeezing your ass cheeks is good - if overlooked - exercise.

N

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/03/2004 17:59:42 




 Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

yes you can.

Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they 
can break a
pencil but why would you want to?

MEK



 


andythepooh.com


 
   



RE: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Andrew
 
 what exactly is this techno thing you guys arent talking about? 

Great point, and got me thinking: 'techno' is a classic over/under-defined
term, in the sense described in 'Science  Sanity' by Alfred Korzybski. A
quick definition from http://www.driveyourselfsane.com/dysbook/glossary.html
-

Over/Under Defined Terms: terms which are over-defined (over-limited) by
verbal definition, with these definitions believed in as 'fact', and
under-defined by (lacking in) specifics or 'facts'.


Hope this helps,

Andrew




Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




This is the laziest, and therefore best,  description I've found so far

Techno
Techno is all the genres listed here and more factions not. Techno takes on
different names (sub genres): Acid, Hard-Acid, Progressive Acid, Ambient,
Minimal Techno, Progressive Ambient, Dark Ambient, Dream, Dreamscape,
Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, Rotterdam, Happy Rotterdam, Speedcore,
Terrorcore, Darkcore, Acid Happy Hardcore, Acid Rotterdam, Trancecore,
Progressive Hardcore, Funcore, House, Hip-House, Progressive House, Classic
House, Chicago House, Dark House, Acid House, Tribal House, Epic House,
Hard House, Vocal House, Techno-Trance Trip Hop House,Jungle, Breakbeat,
DrumBass, Ambient Jungle, Funky Breaks, Tribal, Dancehall Jungle, Ragga
Jungle, Ambient Jungle, Hardstep Jungle, Jump-Up Jungle, Intelligent
Jungle, Jazz Jungle, Techstep, Progressive Jungle, Trip-Jungle, Euro,
HiNRG, Freestyle, Old School, Funk, Acid Funk, Progressive HiNRG,Trance,
Death Trance, Hard Trance, Ambient Trance, Acid Trance, Goa (psychedelic)
Trance, Goa, Dream Trance, Progressive Trance, Hard Acid Trance, Slow
Trance, Ibiza Trance, Symphonic Trance,Synth Core, Synth Pop,Trip-Hop,
Funky Techno, Detroit, Industrial Techno, Experimental, Intellitechno,
Gabber, Ethno Techno, Detroit Techno, Experimental Techno, Handbag,
Progressive Hop, Progressive Breakbeat, Progressive Detroit Techno,
Progressive Train-wrecked Acid Happy Hardcore Death Gabber, Progressive
Minimal Intelligent Hardcore Dub Acid Bass Breakbeat Jungle Death Trance,
Happy Gabber, Happy Techno, Darkbeat
Every single dance genre put in one = Techno.

from
http://www.ethnotechno.com/defs.php

Happy Gabber - I think I've eaten there before, had the Happy Gabber
Burger.

Happy Techno  - LOL!!

MEK





 
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what exactly is this techno thing you guys arent talking about?

tom


-- Original Message --
From: Nik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:03:33 +

It helps you find music on your iPod, but other than that

Pigeonholing is bad.

And squeezing your ass cheeks is good - if overlooked - exercise.

N

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/03/2004 17:59:42 




 Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

yes you can.

Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they
can break a
pencil but why would you want to?

MEK






andythepooh.com









Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread john harvey
catagarisation is something that human beings do automatically - it's in our
nature, and the reason we do it is for convenience and efficiency. In other
words it makes life alot easier. How could we communicate on this list if we
didn't do it? I might want to say i don't like hard-loop techno, and we
all know what that means. How would i say that without using the catagary of
hard loop techno and why would i want to try and say it in a less
efficient way.
classifying music is no big deal, it's about the human language. we should
do it, we all do it, and it would be literally insane not to.
there are no drawbacks to it either - it doesn't change the music.




  Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

 yes you can.

 Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they can break
a
 pencil but why would you want to?

 MEK




Re: (313) food in tha D

2004-03-24 Thread jp
check out Govinda's for vegetarian Indian, it's in the former Fisher
Mansion, awesome setting for a Krishna temple!

 Don't forget the Clique Diner (at the front of the Shorecrest) for  the
 best breakfast grill in Detroit!

 I have to agree La Shish in Dearborn is the best for Middle Eastern
 food.. I have a hard time walking outta there! ;)

 Mumma's Kitchen(?) for Soul Food, ribs, corn bread and the peach
 cobber are droolicious!

 Pretty much any mexican food joint in Mexican Town.

 Oh, and don't forget to stock up un Faygo Red Pop ;)


 Peace,
 Patrick.

 At 12:11 AM -0500 24/3/04, Ian Malbon wrote:
Asian additions follow...

On Mar 23, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Fred Heutte wrote:

  Looking for that really good Chinese place

Chinese:
Out of the way, but I've only been impressed by Hong Hua
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=6325

Japanese:
Not quite as out of the way, and worth a trip IMHO for the freshest,
humblest Sushi in town, in Noble Fish (it's a grocery that supplies
other Sushi bars)
http://info.detnews.com/restaurants/index.cfm?
fuseaction=home.singleresultsrestaurantid=433locationid=463

Korean:
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=7879

Detroit still needs some decent Asian food in the city limits.  This
comes close:

Sala Thai:
http://www.metrotimes.com/guide/restaurants/place.asp?id=2642
--
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Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




you're absolutely right - however it can go to extremes and there are
drawbacks. some people tend to not look outside their category -

Detroit techno sucks
I only listen to Swedish techno
minimal click house is where it's at
Detroit techno is the best
etc.

categories do change the music as well - people start mixing only one style
of music and slowly, almost undetectable, the music changes - sometimes for
the better - sometimes not
I've lost count of the number of mixes I've heard that are one style only
all frickin night
it's easy for people to fall into categories but hard to break out of them
- and if you have a hard time categorizing a style of music then where in
your shop do you place it so that it will sell well? How can you get it
into the hands of people who might enjoy it?

A prime example of this is a little mix up that happened in my fav local
shop.
I ordered a copy of the Advent's latest LP Light Years Away - the shop
got it in and I bought it but somehow there was a mix-up and it didn't get
in my bag of purchases for that day. Instead, it accidentally got into
another DJ's bag. Now this DJ plays I guess what people would call hard
house and progressive house or some such category.
My name and number were in the record, since I ordered it, and he called me
up to let me know of the mix-up. I had already got a replacement copy from
the same shop so he said he'd keep it because he thought it was pretty cool
but didn't know what kind of music it was as he had never really heard
anything like it.

So - the shop placed the Advent LP in the Electro section but since this
guy doesn't buy Electro he would have missed it if it hadn't been for
this mix-up. He really loves the LP too.  There is your drawback.

but I understand that to a certain point - a categorization of sound does
help.
We just have to remember to keep our heads up above the walls of those
boxes.

MEK



  
  john harvey 
  
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Subject:  Re: (313) what is 
Detroit techno ...
  03/24/04 12:41 PM 
  

  

  




catagarisation is something that human beings do automatically - it's in
our
nature, and the reason we do it is for convenience and efficiency. In other
words it makes life alot easier. How could we communicate on this list if
we
didn't do it? I might want to say i don't like hard-loop techno, and we
all know what that means. How would i say that without using the catagary
of
hard loop techno and why would i want to try and say it in a less
efficient way.
classifying music is no big deal, it's about the human language. we should
do it, we all do it, and it would be literally insane not to.
there are no drawbacks to it either - it doesn't change the music.




  Seriously,you can't begin to classify techno by categories,

 yes you can.

 Well, I suppose you can also tighten your ass cheeks until they can break
a
 pencil but why would you want to?

 MEK







Re: (313) London Party - Lost

2004-03-24 Thread Greg Earle

On Mar 24, 2004, at 4:10 PM GMT, Alex Bond wrote:

got this mail through...
LOST
presents
COSMIC ENTITY

EASTER SATURDAY 10 APRIL

featuring
STEVE BICKNELL
+ guests
JUAN ATKINS - (METROPLEX, DETROIT) - exclusive U.K. date
SUBURBAN KNIGHT - (UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE, DETROIT) - exclusive U.K. 
date

KIM BILIR (CLUBTRACKS)

good huh?


w00t ... between this and a posible quick nip over to Amsterdam for
Awakenings on Sunday the 11th, my 2nd weekend in London is shaping up
quite nicely :)

- Greg (gearing up to grease the TechnoTourist wheels again, finally)



(313) Phthalo?

2004-03-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




I stumbled across their website and I'm curious about their music

anyone own any CDs on the Phthalo label?

looks quite experimental but there aren't any soundclips that I can find

has interviews with Dntel, Vaoourspace
http://www.phthalo.com/artists.php

MEK



Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread john harvey
 Detroit techno sucks

there is nothing wrong with this statement - he may have heard it all and
doesn't like detroit techno. the catagory of detroit techno is not
problematic - he is using it to tell us what kind of music he doesn't like.
if he doesn't really know what he is talking about then that's all to do
with his own ignorance.

 I only listen to Swedish techno

again so what? if people are narrow minded enough to say stupid things like
this then thats their tough sh*t. i personally hate swedish techno!


it's like saying we shouldn't catagarise tv programs so that people don't
get locked into just liking sit-coms or  science documentaries, or we
shouldn't classify films as being horror or thriller.






(313) best Stacey Pullen mixes

2004-03-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




please forward me any links you might have to the best Stacey Pullen DJ
mixes you've heard on the net

thanks

MEK



(313) REMINDER Noise Factory Records Showcase 03/25/2004

2004-03-24 Thread Neil Wiernik

A Noise Factory Records Showcase

Thursday March 25th 2004

Featuring Live performances by:

Beef Terminal
naw
A Vertical Mosaic

and Djing the tracks through out the night.

Cyan (modular systems ckut-fm)

where: casa del popolo
4873 St Laurent
when: march 25th 2004
starts at: 9pm sharp
how much: 7 dollars at the door.

more info @ www.noisefactoryrecords.com




Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread ddonohue
I think you're still missing the point.  The point is not to not
categorize, but that categorization is in and of itself, something that
promotes closed-mindedness.

I do believe the original post was that someone wanted everyone else to
refer to only detroit or 313-oriented techno, when they use the term
techno.  This is a disrespect to anyone and everyone that is making what
they calssify as techno that isn't 313-related or 313-sounding (to the
person who stated this, no less).

This subculture has tried to illiminate the close-mindedness of the genre
pidgeon-holing through this underground attitude of anonymity, and the
whole faceless approach, which DOES make it hard as hell to talk about
(as was stated), because everyone begins to use their own descriptions
etc.

Also, almost all statements that go anything like   sucks, are
genreally stated with lack of information, because an educated opionist
would give a nice reason why it's not their bag. ;)

This entire thread is the bore...   z

(especially my posts...)

dns.



On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, john harvey wrote:

  Detroit techno sucks

 there is nothing wrong with this statement - he may have heard it all and
 doesn't like detroit techno. the catagory of detroit techno is not
 problematic - he is using it to tell us what kind of music he doesn't like.
 if he doesn't really know what he is talking about then that's all to do
 with his own ignorance.

  I only listen to Swedish techno

 again so what? if people are narrow minded enough to say stupid things like
 this then thats their tough sh*t. i personally hate swedish techno!


 it's like saying we shouldn't catagarise tv programs so that people don't
 get locked into just liking sit-coms or  science documentaries, or we
 shouldn't classify films as being horror or thriller.







(313) wanted...

2004-03-24 Thread yussel
anyone know of any american djs who have had problems getting permission
to perform overseas.

i know lots have trouble getting into america, but does any americans have
trouble going to, say france?


(313) Test

2004-03-24 Thread 1-11
Zip Zip



(313) Baz

2004-03-24 Thread 1-11
Longtime no speak, me ol' goat.

The problems I've had with email etc...

Get in touch when you can.

Oh and I looked for you and D the other night at Kraftwerk (313 reference,
you see).

I dearly hope there isn't any humor in any of the above, I'd hate to
break the list rules and all that.

Toodle pip.



Re: (313) wanted...

2004-03-24 Thread alugo
We've had no trouble getting into France in the last couple of years. Mind 
you, we've had a substantial amount of baggage (flight cases, etc.). Never 
had a problem of any kind. Then again, we're not DJ's..but I think we'd 
have a harder because of the baggage situation and explaining it all. I'm 
a big fan of using the jedi mind trick to get past customs officials...:)

Peace,
Alex



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Subject
(313) wanted...






anyone know of any american djs who have had problems getting permission
to perform overseas.

i know lots have trouble getting into america, but does any americans have
trouble going to, say france?





(313) tta review (OT)

2004-03-24 Thread diana potts

This is for Selekta.com. It's unedited. Excuse the
dust as my writing is rusty. I know it's not
detroit...but I do know this album was discussed
here when it came out.

In that regard, it's taken me a while to get the
courage to post it here.

i wear a helmet.
d

Telefon Tel Aviv
Map of What is Effortless
Hefty

With their first record, 2002's Farhenheit Fair
Enough, Joshua Eustas and Charles Cooper created a
loyal fan base through touring and implementing the
most useful instrument to any artist; word of mouth.
Telefon Tel Aviv's elegant complexities of brash
electronics combined with the duo's guitar and piano
ambience came at a perfect time when down tempo was
becoming predictable and the popular IDM sounds from
the West Coast were slowly fading. Farhenheit's
orchestrations allowed the listener to assign their
own emotions, making it the foreplay to their most
recent endeavor. 

With their recent album, Map of What is Effortless,
Eustas and Cooper mark their return with a palate that
is significantly stronger and more assertive via
forceful guitar chords and the addition of voice. If
Fahrenheit Fair Enough was indeed their foreplay, than
Map of What is Effortless is clearly TTA's attempt to
finish what they started. The vocals of Damon Aaron
and Lindsay Anderson leave no question that TTA is
ready to present a more visible and wider range of
emotional highs and lows alongside their instrumental
speak. The gentile creativity of Farhenheit still
looms, however the duo explores more raw, frontal
sounds as with, What it is Without the Hand that
Wields It, a track that is closer to shadows of Aphex
Twin than the TTA previously known. The layers of
heart wrenching simplistic guitar strokes,
computerized crunches and dramatic vocals of 'What it
was will never again' perfectly summarizes this
album's overall strengths in an audio and
characteristic context. 

The obvious audience favorite will be Effortless'
first single, 'My Week Beats Your Year.' It's clap
ridden rhythm back dropped into Anderson's popishly
seductive vocals are enough to move hips and turn the
heads of the music elite all in one spin. However, the
dance fever of the single should not cloud what Eustas
and Cooper are doing on the rest of this album. There
is an obvious map of human emotion being drawn here;
one that is much more dramatic, blatant and accessible
than that of Fahrenheit's. Sequentially laid out, the
listener is lead to an emotional direction that is
still left for them to conclude; it truly is what the
album calls itself. As with any achieved successor,
Map of What is Effortless takes the duo in a new and
challenging path of keeping the auditory satisfaction
interesting. If this is the temperate foreplay's
follow through, than Telefon Tel Aviv's love affair
with us has just began.



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(313) Carl Craig on the radio

2004-03-24 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight




I seem to have lost the URL for the website that featured mixes from Carl
Craig's old radio program

anyone got it?

thanks

MEK



Re: (313) what is Detroit techno ...

2004-03-24 Thread john harvey
 I think you're still missing the point.  The point is not to not
 categorize, but that categorization is in and of itself, something that
 promotes closed-mindedness.

i think that YOU are missing the point. catagorisation is not optional - it
is an inate, fundamental and essential part of the human make-up.

are you honestly suggesting that it would be reasonable to live in a world
where you weren't allowed to describe anything?
flyers saying that tonight we are playing music - great, that could really
open my mind up to bon jovi or whatever random music might be playing.
or describing to someone what music you like without mentioning any
catagories? er..i like..er...well i can't say because i could be promoting
closed mindedness!

you're right, this thread is absolutely fuc*ing crazy. we're only talking
here about describing music in words. what is so difficult?




Re: (313) wanted...

2004-03-24 Thread dan
I think Mills has had visa problems in the UK in the past - though 
not sure exactly what the problem has beenanyone?


At 05:45 pm -0500 24/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

anyone know of any american djs who have had problems getting permission
to perform overseas.

i know lots have trouble getting into america, but does any americans have
trouble going to, say france?