Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
I should amend this -

Problem with Minneapolis is Chicago. Many artists overlook our city for
that much larger one.

at the same time, the proximity to Chicago has allowed Minneapolis to have
a healthy house music 'scene' when the techno hasn't been

it's starting to balance out now

MEK



Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread DJ Entropy

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tosh Cooey wrote:

All the North Americans I know who have been over to Europe in the last  
year
keep saying the same thing over and over, that electronic music culture  
in

America is dying.




Dying?  It's been dead since 2001.






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(313) FUZION

2004-10-07 Thread ryan burns
can someone post the new keith tucker duo web page again. it had the Aux Men 
mix along with some other mixes.


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Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread Tosh Cooey

Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote:


when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the world in
front of me.

now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on growing.
much harder to go clubbing.



Good point, how much of it is due to age?

Tosh


Re: (313) Funk Faker

2004-10-07 Thread David Gillies

Tristan Watkins wrote:

On Wed Oct  6 14:10 , robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:


http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF141862-01.htm

so we gonna see this on vinyl then?


from the clips, it's an interesting release. i'd like to see the track 



House Music as a12 tho.


Listenin' to this now. 'Techno Blues' (or whatever people have called it) seems an apt 
description I think. So any word on vinyl availability dates? 


I think that's expected to be released in November.


Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread yussel
i used to rave all night in a warehouse

now i rave all morning at the gym.

time to move to never never land...


...i mean berlin

=P




On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tosh Cooey wrote:

 Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote:

  when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the world in
  front of me.
 
  now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on growing.
  much harder to go clubbing.


 Good point, how much of it is due to age?

 Tosh



Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread diana potts

age depends on the person. 

in my teens I raved.
in my early twenties I clubbed.
in my mid/late twenties I've been all about graduate
school. (I'm dragging my ass out to see algorithm in
philly tomorrow though!)

and I'm looking forward to graduation so I can finally
start going out and seeing some of the stuff I'm
missing now.
I definitely am more of a home body now, and my
interests aren't so narrow- but I'm in a bit of an
opposite boat 'age' wise.

I think politics effects alot of the atmosphere in the
states. Could it be that the election year is
overshadowing much of what's going on socially? dunno.

Perhaps it's just the overall age group and music
taste of the list. If we were on a *gasp* 'progressive
house' list, would the post be diff't. It seems to be
that the people from the states moving to Berlin are
of a particular electronic music group of tastes?
maybe you can be more insightful there Tosh.

Is it about radio? Do they play techno on the radio in
Berlin? Does that effect any outcome? 
You have to remember also when you say Europe  it's
much easier for people to city hop there. The trains
or so much more connected and it's cheaper to travel.
The economy is diff't...and face it,  economy does
effect social/entertainment life. 

...just some ideas.

diana


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i used to rave all night in a warehouse
 
 now i rave all morning at the gym.
 
 time to move to never never land...
 
 
 ...i mean berlin
 
 =P
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tosh Cooey wrote:
 
  Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote:
 
   when i first got on this list i was in my mid
 twenties with the world in
   front of me.
  
   now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family
 that keeps on growing.
   much harder to go clubbing.
 
 
  Good point, how much of it is due to age?
 
  Tosh
 
 




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(313) 10:09:04: THE FURNACE vol.II issue 2 Release Party this Saturday!]

2004-10-07 Thread jocelyne
 Original Message 
Subject: 10:09:04:  THE FURNACE vol.II issue 2 Release Party this
Saturday! From:Jocelyne Ninneman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Wed, October 6, 2004 5:21 pm
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

Yet another issue of THE FURNACE loose on the streets
SATURDAY . OCTOBER 9 . 2004


The Corktown Press proudly presents the 5th edition of Detroit's literary
arts journal THE FURNACE
volume II . issue 2
exposUre




at yet another fabulous release party:
8pm - 1am

___
at The Display Group Warehouse
1700 West Fort St.
[between Trumbull  Rosa Parks]
__
featuring live performances from:

KINDRED feat. Detroit's musical legend, Faruq Z. Bey,
Joel Peterson, Kevin Kalloway, and Kenny Green

The one-man band, FRANK PAHL

DJ Greg Mudge


Art Exhibit by the ARTIST GUILD of DETROIT


*ample refreshments provided

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*ticket includes a FREE copy of the fresh Furnace!

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Re: (313) 10:09:04: THE FURNACE vol.II issue 2 Release Party this Saturday!]

2004-10-07 Thread jason kenjar

looks like you guys are gonna have fun up there in the d,


On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 07:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


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Subject: 10:09:04:  THE FURNACE vol.II issue 2 Release Party this
Saturday! From:Jocelyne Ninneman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:Wed, October 6, 2004 5:21 pm
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- 
---


Yet another issue of THE FURNACE loose on the streets
SATURDAY . OCTOBER 9 . 2004


The Corktown Press proudly presents the 5th edition of Detroit's  
literary

arts journal THE FURNACE
volume II . issue 2
exposUre




at yet another fabulous release party:
8pm - 1am

___
at The Display Group Warehouse
1700 West Fort St.
[between Trumbull  Rosa Parks]
__
featuring live performances from:

KINDRED feat. Detroit's musical legend, Faruq Z. Bey,
Joel Peterson, Kevin Kalloway, and Kenny Green

The one-man band, FRANK PAHL

DJ Greg Mudge


Art Exhibit by the ARTIST GUILD of DETROIT


*ample refreshments provided

__
Tickets:  $10 advance | $15 door
*ticket includes a FREE copy of the fresh Furnace!

Pre-Sale available at the following locations:

Cafe de Troit : 1260 Library St. near E. Grand River Ave.
Idle Kids: 3535 Cass Ave. near MLK Blvd. | Detroit Summer


For more information  pre-sale tickets:



V.II i.2 features:

Graffiti in the Cut
Shrinking Cities
Motor City Record Labels kick-out the jams: Cass Records . Ersatz  
Audio .

timestereo fiction
poetry
art
cartoons
you.

check it.

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Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen

2004-10-07 Thread /0
people that steal laptops should have their legs ground and fed to them.

-Joe


- Original Message - 
From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen


 One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night between
1st
 and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss.
 During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany somebody
of
 the people in the club stole his Notebook.
 On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on
his
 next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too.
 This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all
 following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be recovered.
 We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know
something
 about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de

 Please propagate this mail...

 Thanks for your help
 Prison Crew + Bikini BPM

 --
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 http://wildtek.free.fr
 http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic



Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread /0
im waiting the first wave of sound-alike records from the
We-all-moved-to-germany crowd.

well, not waiting...


- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America


 i used to rave all night in a warehouse

 now i rave all morning at the gym.

 time to move to never never land...


 ...i mean berlin

 =P




 On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tosh Cooey wrote:

  Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote:
 
   when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the world
in
   front of me.
  
   now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on
growing.
   much harder to go clubbing.
 
 
  Good point, how much of it is due to age?
 
  Tosh
 



(313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ Patrick Russell, Detroit

2004-10-07 Thread Matt MacQueen

Clinically Inclined
1 October 2004
Fridays 9:30pm - 12:00am,  89.3 FM WNUR Chicago
http://SonicSunset.com   --- download this show


part 1   EZ warm-up set welcoming Danny Wang to Chicago for a DJ gig,  
lush warm electronic disco done only the way he can. 'Misty' is the old  
jazz standard performed on Theramin!  (sorry guys...) plus ultra-deep  
house abstraction from Further Details.  Chicago's own Common Factor  
shows us how to Get Down, and an early celestial funk track from UK's  
Space DJz.


part 2  I am EXTRA jacked to welcome an old Michigan friend Patrick  
'Hustle' Russell from Detroit (Record Time / Mentalux), who has  
earnestly DJ'd everything from Lansing warehouse parties to DEMF 2001.   
Patrick always digs deep into his bottomless crates to deliver an  
expansive set for the real heads.  Top shelf selections, all programmed  
from the heart.



part 1  Matt MacQueen

Daniel Wang - Free Lovin' (Housedream) - The Morning Kids (Balihu)
Daniel Wang - Let's Go To Mars - Subtle Shuttle (Balihu)
Daniel Wang - Misty - Idealism (Environ)
Furthur Details - Can't Go Early - Volume Two (A Touch of Class)
Common Factor - Get Down - Expanded (Planet e)
3 Chairs - Dreamz - 3 (3 Chairs)
Space DJz - Celestial Funk - On Manoeuvres In Uncharted Territories  
(infonet)
Jeanette Thomas - Shake Your Body - Chicago Boogie vol. 3 (Eskimo /  
Rush Hour)

House Gang - Cool J Trax - Hittrax II (I.H.R.) 1988
Kenny Jammin Jason - Jam Track - Jam Tracks (DJ International) 1985
Yellow House - Jack My Body [Beated by Farley] (Dance Mania) 1987


part 2  Patrick Russell  - Record Time / Mentalux, Detroit

new york citi peech boys - life is something special (accapella) -  
island

franck roger - mambo - brs
alexander robotnik - dance boy dance - mental groove
wet - that's the game - std
velodrome - capataz - news
catacombus - catacombus - stilleben
omar s - oasis collaboration #1 - white
electric funk - on a journey - prelude
theo parrish - ugly edit #6 - white
black devil - timing forget the timing - rephlex
mayday - freestyle - pheerce citi
severed heads - dead eyes opened (remix three) - nettwerk
fingers inc - i'm strong (track) - jack trax
fingers inc - i'm strong (bonus beats) - alleviated
joe r lewis - sometimes i - target
mix your own stars - track three - break
macho - i'm a man - prelude
a certain ratio - knife slits water - soul jazz
flying lizards - steam away -
joe r lewis - change reaction (headache mix) - target
mixx/blood/camero - psychotic house - saber
rinder/lewis - gluttony - avi
severed heads - petrol (remix five) - nettwerk
glass domain - interlock - clone
grant - dance - precision


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Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread robin


when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the world 
in

front of me.
now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on 
growing.

much harder to go clubbing.



Good point, how much of it is due to age?


we had a discussion with a slightly different focus last year about 
this. there was a thread that asked for anyone under the age of 25 on 
this list to pipe up. i think there was one person.


i think the rubbishing of things like electroclash on here might be an 
age thing, for example.


robin...



RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

2004-10-07 Thread Cobert, Gwendal
On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while 
record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is 
it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural 
exception ?
Gwendal 

-Message d'origine-
De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM
À : 313 Detroit
Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no 
one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological 
revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet.
There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as 
bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. 
I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands 
like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, 
who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine 
avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a 
lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not 
especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm 
trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia 
make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb.
The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate.
I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha
ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at 
all.



RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

2004-10-07 Thread Sakari Karipuro

Cobert, Gwendal wrote on Thu, 7 Oct 2004 about following:


On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip -
I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts


Dunno bout concerts, but I recently read that most major record 
companies are saying that cd sales are going up for a change.



sakke


Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen

2004-10-07 Thread KiDD*e*
So sad...
Everythings need to be underlocked and watch over conscientiously  :(
I know that at the Rex Club they are like this now.
Cause you see the dj's booth has a sliding window upon the dancefloor.
And Djs like to keep it open in order to be 'closer' to the crowd.
And happened ?
Some people has stolen the turntable's needles! While the Dj where spinning,
looking for a vinyl in his case !! Peww...

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http://www.stereolize.org/fuzion.html

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- Original Message - 
From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED];
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen


 people that steal laptops should have their legs ground and fed to them.

 -Joe


 - Original Message - 
 From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:17 PM
 Subject: (313) Claude's Laptop stolen


  One or more unknown persons stole his Apple Notebook in the night
between
 1st
  and 2nd October and inflicted him a massive loss.
  During or after his gig in the Prison Club Straßkirchen/Germany
somebody
 of
  the people in the club stole his Notebook.
  On the Apple Notebook are all tracks wich he requieres urgent to play on
 his
  next gigs, likewise all his private and business information, too.
  This is an unbelievable loss in financial and private respect. Maybe all
  following gigs have to be canceled, if the Notebook will not be
recovered.
  We ask for all, to contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] who know
 something
  about it. You can also use the contact form at http://www.claudeyoung.de
 
  Please propagate this mail...
 
  Thanks for your help
  Prison Crew + Bikini BPM
 
  --
  Dimitri Pike
  http://wildtek.free.fr
  http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic







Re: (313) Underated Producers

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond
so alex what makes you sit on your perch and talk smack.

probably just that.

you don't know me or my crew or what we are about or who we support...

you're right, I don't.

just tried to find your website via google. it says this:
Hi Welcome to Good Tree Records Official Website
We are under serious construction right now
Please come back at a later date. If you need to contact us
you can do so at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks

So, I tried.

Yes, I'm the idiot. Thought that was a given here. I kinda gave up worrying
what people think a while ago. Thought that was obvious given the absolute
rubbish I spout here on a daily basis.

Look, here's the deal. You posted that thing, I left you out of it. Then
after a few days and it was still rumbling on, I got bored and thought sod
it, and took a pop at you, as you're the only way we have of communicating
with this guy. So, OK, I apologise. I shouldn't have took a pop at you.

cause i don't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] from you.

You don't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] from me, cos I ain't got no [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
to show off. Not sure
what you're saying? To have an opinion on this list you have to be doing
something?

except to use this list as your personal record spotter

Well, I always tak about records because a) I'm interested in them, and b)
I haven't got anything else more worthwhile to say. Thought talking about
records was OK though? thought that was on topic?

and to let people know how down you are..

I am so down with the kids it hurts me.
I own three Mathew Jonson records ffs. FACT. I am down with the kids big
time.

so if you have something to say about me or my
crew say it...

I haven't really I suppose, just thought you were being a bit daft by
posting that thing, that's all. Nowt personal, and also you're probably
right, I'm sure we would agree on a lot of things.

Anyway, sorry to carry subject on list.

My last word, hopefully it's the end (providing I've not managed to offend
Mike and his crew any more)

Alex


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RE: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread Redmond, Ja'Maul
I believe the age thing is a big factor. Which is why I was  so focused on the 
misguided marketing or promoting of techno. I think I would be safe to say that 
most electronic music is marketed towards a 25 and under crowdi.e. dance 
night clubs, raves, bars, small records stores, cliché' magazines,,etc. But for 
most larger cities and small cities the 25 to 40 crowd is the largest in 
population demographic.  

Come on we have to be honest, once we hit 30 it's hard to make it to these late 
night events with all of our other responsibilites. I'm starting to promote my 
live P.a.'s to Daytime,weekend festivals, Gallery Crawls,Park festivals, Car 
shows, Electronics or computer  events, etc. and I'm getting way better 
response not to mention better pay. WAY more people actually buy c.d's and ask 
for contact information.  The music at these events are usually reserved for 
Rock/top 40 or even some hip-hop. After getting booked I asked why aren't more 
electronic music being showcased and the event coordinator would state 
simply,,, No one from that music approaches me. 

For 25 years techno in america has been marketed to a   demographic that's 
getting smaller and smaller and more divided. Of the number of 25 and under 
group, most are into hip-hop and top 40 and the rest are even more divided now 
days between the plethora of sub-genres within electronic music. Our techno 
shows very rarely pull progressive house heads or d-n-b crowds and vice-versa. 
An come to think of it,  Even within 25 and under crowds we're poorly marketed. 
How many 18 year old non d.j.'s actually buy vinyl? Why is it that in almost 
every University sponsered event electronic music is missing in action with the 
exception of the occasional  big name trance d.j. hear and there.? How do we 
expect for american, electronic music culture to grow,  when our music is only 
expose to such a small portion of the population. 
I guess I'm ranting now, but a bunch of us down here in the south have been 
discussing this very thing.

  
 
  

-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:54 AM
To: 313 Org
Subject: Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America


 when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the world 
 in front of me.
 now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on 
 growing.
 much harder to go clubbing.


 Good point, how much of it is due to age?

we had a discussion with a slightly different focus last year about this. there 
was a thread that asked for anyone under the age of 25 on this list to pipe up. 
i think there was one person.

i think the rubbishing of things like electroclash on here might be an age 
thing, for example.

robin...





(313) 3 Acid Tracks

2004-10-07 Thread Jared Wilson
here are some new analogue tracks ive done

http://www.feedthemachine.org/getacidhoused.mp3

http://www.feedthemachine.org/bangtheacid.mp3

http://www.feedthemachine.org/anotheracidtrack.mp3

=)


(313) new records

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond
has anyone heard

a) the new Mahogani?

b) the new Chez Damier?

c) the new Carl Craig on Planet E?

any good?
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(313) who is....

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond
...this Wajeed fellow who I saw dj'ing last night?

He's from Detroit right?

any mixtapes anywhere? he was dropping some nice stuff but I had to get
off.

thanks in advance

Alex
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(313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread Redmond, Ja'Maul
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:12 AM
To: Redmond, Ja'Maul; robin; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

I also believe the 'age question' and the marketing of electronic music is an 
important factor in the success and distribution of the music. I also get the 
feeling most events/clubs/artists/hypes are marketed towards an audience that 
is generally a lot younger than most people on the list/most people who have 
been into techno since the beginning. Ask the average sixteen-year old visitor 
of a big techno event who invented techno and I wouldn't be surprised if some 
say Adam Beyer or Sven Väth. I've been thinking a lot about the question 
whether it's worth the trouble of trying to (re)educate them kids, but I'm 
afraid it's a collossal task that's not realistic. 

So let me throw this question into the group then:

If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the intention of 
giving them some insight in the history of the music, how would you go about?


John


I believe the age thing is a big factor. Which is why I was  so focused on the 
misguided marketing or promoting of techno. I think I would be safe to say 
that most electronic music is marketed towards a 25 and under crowdi.e. 
dance night clubs, raves, bars, small records stores, cliché' magazines,,etc. 
But for most larger cities and small cities the 25 to 40 crowd is the largest 
in population demographic.  

Come on we have to be honest, once we hit 30 it's hard to make it to these 
late night events with all of our other responsibilites. I'm starting to 
promote my live P.a.'s to Daytime,weekend festivals, Gallery Crawls,Park 
festivals, Car shows, Electronics or computer  events, etc. and I'm getting 
way better response not to mention better pay. WAY more people actually buy 
c.d's and ask for contact information.  The music at these events are usually 
reserved for Rock/top 40 or even some hip-hop. After getting booked I asked 
why aren't more electronic music being showcased and the event coordinator 
would state simply,,, No one from that music approaches me. 

For 25 years techno in america has been marketed to a   demographic that's 
getting smaller and smaller and more divided. Of the number of 25 and under 
group, most are into hip-hop and top 40 and the rest are even more divided now 
days between the plethora of sub-genres within electronic music. Our techno 
shows very rarely pull progressive house heads or d-n-b crowds and vice-versa. 
An come to think of it,  Even within 25 and under crowds we're poorly 
marketed. How many 18 year old non d.j.'s actually buy vinyl? Why is it that 
in almost every University sponsered event electronic music is missing in 
action with the exception of the occasional  big name trance d.j. hear and 
there.? How do we expect for american, electronic music culture to grow,  when 
our music is only expose to such a small portion of the population. 
I guess I'm ranting now, but a bunch of us down here in the south have been 
discussing this very thing.

  
 
  

-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:54 AM
To: 313 Org
Subject: Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America


 when i first got on this list i was in my mid twenties with the 
 world in front of me.
 now i'm in my mid thirties with a growing family that keeps on 
 growing.
 much harder to go clubbing.


 Good point, how much of it is due to age?

we had a discussion with a slightly different focus last year about this. 
there was a thread that asked for anyone under the age of 25 on this list to 
pipe up. i think there was one person.

i think the rubbishing of things like electroclash on here might be an age 
thing, for example.

robin...











Re: (313) who is....

2004-10-07 Thread Martin Dust

I have something somewhere Alex...If I can find it, I'll stick it up...

Martin

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Subject: (313) who is



...this Wajeed fellow who I saw dj'ing last night?

He's from Detroit right?

any mixtapes anywhere? he was dropping some nice stuff but I had to get
off.

thanks in advance

Alex
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(313) Fwd: Fri. Joakim of Tigersushi plays softcurls

2004-10-07 Thread Matt MacQueen

more detailz:

Begin forwarded message:


Date: October 7, 2004 9:58:25 AM CDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fri. Joakim of Tigersushi plays softcurls

This Friday Soft Curls is happy to bring you, all the way from Paris...

JOAKIM (TIGERSUSHI)

when:   Fri. october 8 (10pm)
where:  OSLO (1456 woodward )
price: 	$10 / $5 advance (email names to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for 
guestlist)

links:   http://www.soft-curls.com/joakiminfo.htm
   http://www.osloworld.com/
   http://www.tigersushi.com/

Trained in classical music at the prestigious National Conservatory of
Versailles, Joakim took an unexpected, though welcome, detour
afterwards. In addition to running the esteemed Tigersushi label, 
Joakim
produces delightfully off-kilter house with disco, electro, and all 
around
maniacal  influences. He's also crafted robo-soul downtempo oddities 
like
Woundelife on Brayt a Cool, a recent contribution to Radio Colette 
No. 2.
The eclectic remixes under his belt range from tracks by everyone from 
Carl

Craig and Max Berlin to Air and the Detroit Grand Pubahs.
This Friday, he presides as the French ambassador of punk-funk and 
Detroit-inspired machine

funk, alongside Soft-Curls resident loser Scott Zacharias.






Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond
If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the intention
of giving them some insight in the history of the music, how would you go
about?

I say send them to that torture camp you've got. Guantanamo Bay?

But, in reality, they'll only learn about it if they want to. Maybe if the
resources are there for them to look into it if they want to, then thats a
start. e.g. Techno Rebels book, or a good site on the subject?

But I still say torture and intimidation is the best method.
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Re: (313) new records

2004-10-07 Thread robin


On 7 Oct 2004, at 15:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


has anyone heard

a) the new Mahogani?


piranhahead? i heard clips of that and one track sounds really nice. 
you'd like it i would have thought.




b) the new Chez Damier?


which one? there's a couple of 10s out at the mo by chez and the cru 
(on atal) the best one imo is the gathering vol1. prescription style 
depth on one side. the other side is a bit too sophisticated for me :) 
(a is vol2 as i didn't pick that up). there's a 12 out as well that 
i've not heard.




c) the new Carl Craig on Planet E?



ooh didn't know about that one.

robin...



Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread Dennis DeSantis

Redmond, Ja'Maul wrote:


So let me throw this question into the group then:

If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the intention of 
giving them some insight in the history of the music, how would you go about?


Are you talking about an educational setting, where you get to talk to 
them?  Or are you talking about playing a gig, and having them get it?


Dunno about option 2.

As for option 1:
Start by talking to them about music they already care about, and then 
step incrementally backwards in time.  This seems to work sometimes for 
teachers who teach classical music to kids who really don't want to 
learn about classical music.


--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com


Re: (313) new records

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond

 b) the new Chez Damier?

which one? there's a couple of 10s out at the mo by chez and the cru
(on atal) the best one imo is the gathering vol1. prescription style
depth on one side. the other side is a bit too sophisticated for me :)
(a is vol2 as i didn't pick that up). there's a 12 out as well that
i've not heard.

dunno!

will check, thank you Robin.
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Re: (313) Fwd: Fri. Joakim of Tigersushi plays softcurls

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond
Hmm.

Talking of Joakim. That mix he did of Clashing Egos he did was brilliant.

Check check check.

And something else I never knew, that Clashing Egos is Max 404.

Brilliant I hear you say.
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RE: (313) Fwd: Fri. Joakim of Tigersushi plays softcurls

2004-10-07 Thread Peteri, Jochem
yeah

erwin shaky knees van moll

he´s oldschool
does nice dieskoow edits too i heard ; )

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Hmm.

Talking of Joakim. That mix he did of Clashing Egos he did was brilliant.

Check check check.

And something else I never knew, that Clashing Egos is Max 404.

Brilliant I hear you say.
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Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread robin


So let me throw this question into the group then:

If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the 
intention of giving them some insight in the history of the music, how 
would you go about?




umm do a mix cd of older italo and chicago/acid house with some current 
(from the less noisey end of things) electroclash and market it at that 
crowd? (i think output and that lot are doing that tho...is it working? 
london people might know)


i think a lot of electrodisco etc etc would appeal to some tranceheads 
too. the obvious example cos of the heritage of the producers is unit 4 
'bodydub'. i think if a lot of the people into trance could hear mathew 
jonson in a club they might be swayed too. (can you tell i have friends 
who are into trance? :) )


i'm speaking of a UK angle tho (and i'm in my 30s so wtf would i know 
about what the kids are into, ask alex he's down :) ), this may differ 
wherever you are in the world.



robin...



RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

2004-10-07 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
I either read an article about this or heard it on NPR - sales are going up
on CDs because of downloading. People are becoming music fanatics again and
they are using the downloading process to audition music.
If I recall, there was a record shop owner in some college town who was
afraid that since most students were downloading music his business would
drop. It did immediately but is now picking up quickly. What more, the
college kids are buying vinyl because they appreciate the format's sound
and packaging.

wish I could remember where I heard/read it.

MEK



  
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313@hyperreal.org   
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the new Swayzak sound?  
  10/07/2004 04:30 AM   
  

  

  




Cobert, Gwendal wrote on Thu, 7 Oct 2004 about following:

 On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip -
 I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts

Dunno bout concerts, but I recently read that most major record
companies are saying that cd sales are going up for a change.


sakke





RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

2004-10-07 Thread matt kane's brain

At 11:15 AM 10/7/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If I recall, there was a record shop owner in some college town who was
afraid that since most students were downloading music his business would
drop. It did immediately but is now picking up quickly. What more, the
college kids are buying vinyl because they appreciate the format's sound
and packaging.


i wish that was the rule. two out of the three independent record stores 
near my old school have gone out of business. one of the nicest shops in 
providence closed not long ago as well.


now it may very well be that these are due to new competition from FYE and 
Newbury Comics, but considering that the old shops were in walking distance 
of college campuses and the new ones are much farther, i doubt it.

--
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(313) RE: Funk Faker (was: Is this the new Swayzak sound?)

2004-10-07 Thread Jussi Lehtonen
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What more, the college kids are buying vinyl because they appreciate the 
 format's sound and packaging.

I would appreciate if the whole Funk Faker album would be released on 
vinyl for the same reasons as mentioned above...
Also because I don't own a cd-player a the moment and I would like to 
listen it without booting up my computer.
_And_ I still don't like to play my dj-sets from cd's (user interface 
still sucks compared to vinyl and the sound isn't as good, but that's my 
opinion only).


Jussi Lehtonen

  Metaprogram yourself.


Re: (313) Underated Producers

2004-10-07 Thread David Bate


 just tried to find your website via google. it says this:

Hi Alex,
Mike had a direct link to the site below his name
in the email he sent you, but I looked into it this morning.
It looks like the Vhosts file
that our ISP is using, reverted
back to a test config.   It's been removed, so that the
method you got to the site,shows the proper site.

If you're still curious:

http://www.RenegadeRhythms.com

As Mike said, the sites in the process of being revamped but
at least our history back to 99 you can check out, for
our history back to 88, you'll have to wait for the new site.


Cheers...

Dave


(313) out of the loop

2004-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No not the very nice Manchester / NYC label but me as I've been so busy
working at work I haven't been able to do other things!

Are other 313 list peeps cursed with this affliction?

It amazes me (as a person with access to a PC at work only) how some of you
find the time (and please don't misconstrue this, this is an honest
question/comment not a dig) to find all the stuff on the net etc. that you
do.  Just occasionally I have the time to follow one of your links to Little
Detroit or some similar site of goodness which I immediately run away from
as there's no way I can handle all the information (I'm the type who can't
seem to get the hang of skimming things) it looks like might be there!

So many of you put up links to mixes etc. for which I'm really grateful but
I just put those posts in a folder which I kid myself I'll one day have the
time to come back to and listen to them all.  In reality I never seem to
have time to listen to my records let alone yours!

Don't know what I'm on with here - just searching for a tell me about it
from a kindred soul I guess.

I will now try to post responses to several of the last few days' issues -
though I'll try to keep schtum on the biggie - apart from to say the killer
was having to trawl through what seemed like 1000 posts on the subject
(could Charles Coke-Smyth [nice moniker] try to post more legibly, I spent
10 minutes trying to figure out whether you were dissing Stasis as well as
Misteeq in one post - both heresy) only to have the gentleman (see how
desperate I am not offend you Mike and open the whole can of worms again)
who posted the stinker (sorry, not that desperate then :-) in the first
place then say it had been posted to get a reaction and people had fallen
for it.

Francis




RE: (313) who is....

2004-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it the Platinum Pied Pipers guy Alex?  Don't know anything except they
have stuff on Ubiquity so maybe their site?  He seems to be doing a lot
round these parts at present.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) who is

...this Wajeed fellow who I saw dj'ing last night?

He's from Detroit right?

any mixtapes anywhere? he was dropping some nice stuff but I had to get off.

thanks in advance

Alex



FW: (313) new records

2004-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, what is it?

On the c2 vibe I've got a recording of The Drummers (I think) which was on
Giles Peterson's radio show recently and is him and his live extended
version of Throw etc. (as you can tell as per my previous post I've recorded
this but not had a chance to listen to it!) which I could try ad figure out
how to make accessible (damning the legality) to peeps who are interested?

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Subject: (313) new records

has anyone heard

c) the new Carl Craig on Planet E?



RE: (313) Manchester heads up Bonfire Night (a bit spam)

2004-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why the cloak and dagger?  It plainly says on Eyes Down's site it's KDJ.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: (313) Manchester heads up Bonfire Night (a bit spam)

Right.

You'll all have to trust me if you're within reasonable driving distance of
Manchester.
What I'm saying is this. As soon as you see any tickets on sale for the
Roadhouse for Bonfire Night (5th Nov), buy one or two immediately.
Can't say who's on, but trust me, you'll want to go.

Thanks. And don't say I didn't warn you.

Alex



Re: (313) Electronic music culture in America

2004-10-07 Thread Luis-Manuel Garcia
Damn you kids with 116+ posts in a day.  Anyway, in answer to Toshie's 
questions:


I think that part of it has to do with the way in which the discotheque 
tradition never completely died in Europe and continues today.  When I 
was living in Toronto, the phrase let's do something tonight more 
often led to a round of beers at a pub than a night dancing.  My 
experience elsewhere in North America has been similar.  When you think 
about it, dance music's 'big break' in North America occurred as a 
repackaging of American (read: Chicago/Detroit/NYC) music by the 
booming European market.  So we were getting into a European scene's 
re-reading of an earlier Chicago/Detroit/NYC scene, and it was fighting 
against the hostile post-disco legacy of the 80's in N. America.


Interestingly enough, the N American 'scene' that has kept up a strong 
tradition of dance music up until now is the gay club scene.  The 
styles have shifted and you're more likely to hear 'tribal' and 
'circuit' flavours rather than techno or chicago-styled house, but the 
tradition(s) continue.  It was mostly in these scenes that the remnants 
of disco percolated and eventually morphed into the Chicago house and 
NY garages scenes, so I wonder if this scenario might replay itself 
again.


Hmmm.

Luis

On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 05:25  PM, Tosh Cooey wrote:

All the North Americans I know who have been over to Europe in the 
last year keep saying the same thing over and over, that electronic 
music culture in America is dying.


No clubs, all the smaller cities are non-existent for a DJ/live 
performance, etc. how true is this?


I have seen some evidence via some of the labels I work with having 
trouble setting up tours that get outside of New York, Chicago, San 
Fran/LA.


Is it really that bad?  What would some of the reasons be?  How would 
this be connected to the previous discussion about techno not selling?


Tosh

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RE: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread John Osselaer


But, in reality, they'll only learn about it if they want to.

-- Yes, I think that is what it boils down to. I've met people with no
connection to techno or electronic music, but who were still interested to
hear how this music came together. And then I've met techno fans who were
not just merely interested in drum loop techno, but this sort of
drumlooptechno, with that sort of compressor sound. Anything else? No,
sorry, not interested. 

 Maybe if the resources are there for them to look into it if they want to,
then thats a start. e.g. Techno Rebels book, or a good site on the
subject?

-- I guess this is what I had in mind. Different ways to expose people to
the information so that, if they are interested, they can at least find it.

But I still say torture and intimidation is the best method.

-- Always willing to fall back on that one if all else fails. ;-)

John

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RE: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ Patrick Russell, Detroit

2004-10-07 Thread Tristan Watkins
 -Original Message-
 From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 07 October 2004 05:53
 To: 313
 Cc: david siska
 Subject: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ 
 Patrick Russell, Detroit
 
 Clinically Inclined
 1 October 2004
 Fridays 9:30pm - 12:00am,  89.3 FM WNUR Chicago
 http://SonicSunset.com   --- download this show 

Part two of this is dope BTW. Does Patrick Russell play out much? 
 
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RE: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ Patrick Russell, Detroit

2004-10-07 Thread yussel

 Part two of this is dope BTW. Does Patrick Russell play out much?

patrick never plays out which is a shame. i definately classify him in the
ranking of plaslaiko, souffront, geiger and the other detroit kids.

is this archived?





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RE: (313) Manchester heads up Bonfire Night (a bit spam)

2004-10-07 Thread Tristan Watkins
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 07 October 2004 18:52
 To: 313@Hyperreal.Org
 Subject: RE: (313) Manchester heads up Bonfire Night (a bit spam)
 
 Why the cloak and dagger?  It plainly says on Eyes Down's 
 site it's KDJ.

Also not terribly hard to guess when you check Plastic People's Sunday that
same weekend. ;) 
 
Tristan 
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Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

2004-10-07 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures.
Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's
dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet
her Australian shows have sold out.
I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so
don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money
on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not
record sales, is their main source of income these days.
Australia has always had a strong live circuit though.

--
From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM


 On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that
 while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very
 fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some
 European cultural exception ?
 Gwendal

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM
 À : 313 Detroit
 Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?

 Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and
 no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological
 revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet.
 There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as
 bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less
 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew
 up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old
 goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure)
 and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at
 the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the
 music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out,
 doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop
 structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with
 hooks and the vocals and everything - superb.
 The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate.
 I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha
 ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at
all.



RE: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ Patrick Russell, Detroit

2004-10-07 Thread Tristan Watkins
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 07 October 2004 19:49
 To: Tristan Watkins
 Cc: 'Matt MacQueen'; '313'; 'david siska'
 Subject: RE: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ 
 Patrick Russell, Detroit
 
 
  Part two of this is dope BTW. Does Patrick Russell play out much?
 
 patrick never plays out which is a shame. i definately 
 classify him in the ranking of plaslaiko, souffront, geiger 
 and the other detroit kids.

That's a shame, because his selection and skills are way up there. Peepz in
Europe should organise a Plaslaiko, Souffront, Traxx, Russell tour. Maybe
throw Twonz in for good measure. All of them need exposure over here. 

 is this archived?

http://sonicsunset.com (Pt II of this week's show). 
 
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RE: (313) Fwd: Fri. Joakim of Tigersushi plays softcurls

2004-10-07 Thread Tristan Watkins
 -Original Message-
 From: Peteri, Jochem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 07 October 2004 16:12
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) Fwd: Fri. Joakim of Tigersushi plays softcurls
 
 yeah
 
 erwin shaky knees van moll
 
 he´s oldschool
 does nice dieskoow edits too i heard ; )

He did a decent track with a Domu remix last year that I picked up. Not
either's best work, but worth a listen. 
 
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RE: (313) new records

2004-10-07 Thread Tristan Watkins
 -Original Message-
 From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 07 October 2004 16:03
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) new records
 
 
 On 7 Oct 2004, at 15:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  b) the new Chez Damier?
 
 which one? there's a couple of 10s out at the mo by chez and 
 the cru (on atal) the best one imo is the gathering vol1. 
 prescription style depth on one side. the other side is a bit 
 too sophisticated for me :) (a is vol2 as i didn't pick that 
 up). there's a 12 out as well that i've not heard.

Wasn't one of these just another (scarcely different) version of Warhead
with a sophisticated, rather yawn-ish track on the other side? 

Tristan 
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Re: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ Patrick Russell, Detroit

2004-10-07 Thread KiDD*e*
Exactly what i thought to, Tristan :)
Just let's turn the underated Producers thread to Underated 'Detroit'
DJs, and thoses Dj names would come out.
I would looove to hang out to a party that has that kinda lineup.
Carlos Souffront, Traxx, Townz, etc, yea i rally enjoyed the nights i
spent in Detroit, while theses guys were spinning.
But hmm veeery hard to book. I mean, not to contact, book and organize the
party with them.
But to find a decent place, and partners to support such a lineup !

Like, if you want the little story, ive been told that at the beginning of
this year's Stereolize, my friends were the only ones to believe and work
hard to book Egyptian Lover! Not that he didnt want to come, but their
partners were totally negative and against such a booking...cuz, he is
unfamous here... . .
And actually to them!!! But once they realized that a (various) crowd in
Paris, would definitevely come to see him, they changed their mind...
Well, i dont really care about it...he's gonna here, f*ck about it, the
party is close...let's enjoy :)

- KiDDy.


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  -Original Message-
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  Sent: 07 October 2004 19:49
  To: Tristan Watkins
  Cc: 'Matt MacQueen'; '313'; 'david siska'
  Subject: RE: (313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 1 Oct 2004 - DJ
  Patrick Russell, Detroit
 
  
   Part two of this is dope BTW. Does Patrick Russell play out much?
 
  patrick never plays out which is a shame. i definately
  classify him in the ranking of plaslaiko, souffront, geiger
  and the other detroit kids.

 That's a shame, because his selection and skills are way up there. Peepz
in
 Europe should organise a Plaslaiko, Souffront, Traxx, Russell tour. Maybe
 throw Twonz in for good measure. All of them need exposure over here.

  is this archived?

 http://sonicsunset.com (Pt II of this week's show).

 Tristan
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(313) 2005 Party

2004-10-07 Thread Martin Dust

Did we get anywhere with the 313 DEMF Party action?

Cheers
Martin



(313) SPAM: Site redesigned and old audio archived in (much) better quality

2004-10-07 Thread Tristan Watkins
Hello all, 

I've recently finished the first stage of a major overhaul of my website,
including the purchase of some much-needed web space. The redesign is mostly
finished and I've restored a decent chunk of the mix archives. Many of the
older mixes are in 128kbps mp3 for the first time (previously only in low
quality Real Audio). This covers most of my mixes since 2000. I've also
added the beginnings of a pics section and archived charts. 

I used to have about 50 of my songs up at mp313.com until we let that die a
year or so ago, at least half of which are up again. I'll be uploading the
CD mix I did for mp313 that featured nothing but mp313 artists when I find
some time to re-design the page. After all that I'll continue to upload mix
archives, and let you know about it here. Eventually I'll get around to
archiving some of my radio shows from '92-'97, which should be a fairly
interesting time capsule. You'll get to hear me totally geek out on the air
and read Iowa weather forecasts/Public Service Announcements.  

Further updates on archives will be posted through the site, or I'll keep
SPAMming away here (so as to decrease the amount of nonsense on the [313]):
http://www.littledetroit.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5793 

URL below. 
 
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Re: (313) 2005 Party

2004-10-07 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
you mean other than in a fight?

MEK



   
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Did we get anywhere with the 313 DEMF Party action?

Cheers
Martin






Re: (313) 2005 Party

2004-10-07 Thread Martin Dust
Fight? Fight for the right maybe, or who will lead the conga of 313ers 
around the D, singing Timezone...


Cheers
Martin

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you mean other than in a fight?





Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread alex . bond
Yussel wrote:, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the intention
 of giving them some insight in the history of the music, how would you
go
 about?

OI!

I didn't say that.

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Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread Lester Kenyatta Spence
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Redmond, Ja'Maul wrote:

 If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the intention
 of giving them some insight in the history of the music, how would you
 go about?


 John

I would establish ties with the local high school, and convince them to
set up a shop elective in electronic music.


peace
lks


Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread matt kane's brain

At 05:02 PM 10/7/2004, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote:

I would establish ties with the local high school, and convince them to
set up a shop elective in electronic music.


my girlfriend's high school does that (she's a teacher for those of you 
with sick minds) ;p


tim o'keefe (maybe you have heard of him, who knows) helps the kids along 
with that sort of thing. they also have experiential learning programs in 
hip hop and stuff. the principal is an expert on graffiti!


unfortunately, someone tried to promote our (college-sponsored electronic 
music organization) last event at the hearest high school and it only 
resulted in more attention from the cops and lots of drugged up teenagers...

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Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread yussel
did i direct that to you?

sorry

it was meant for the list




On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  If you wanted to reach a younger, less-educated crowd with the intention
  of giving them some insight in the history of the music, how would you
 go
  about?

 OI!

 I didn't say that.

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Re: (313) FW: Market elec music vs educate (Was: Electronic music culture in America)

2004-10-07 Thread yussel
now i'm confused. did my missive on why history is wack ever make it to
the list?

do i have to do a profanity check again?




On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 did i direct that to you?

 sorry

 it was meant for the list




 On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  go
   about?
 
  OI!
 
  I didn't say that.
 
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Re: (313) who is....

2004-10-07 Thread jurren baars

alex.bond wrote:


..this Wajeed fellow who I saw dj'ing last night?

He's from Detroit right?


wajeed, t-3 and jay dee were slum village
wajeed along with ... is platinum pied pipers
more info on wajeed http://www.bling47.com

jurren (who still need to get a copy of that bpm instrumentals lp on 
bling47, as 'tron' is a dope track)


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(313) vintage gear

2004-10-07 Thread yussel
i'm trying to compile a list of vintage dance/hip-hop gear...

here's what i have so far...

MPC-60
808
303
909
Linn Drum
Juno 60


i'm especially interested in DJ mixers, spanning from the mid-70's to the
late 80's.

any suggestions?



Re: (313) vintage gear

2004-10-07 Thread DJ Entropy

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:19:39 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


i'm trying to compile a list of vintage dance/hip-hop gear...

here's what i have so far...

MPC-60
808
303
909
Linn Drum
Juno 60



A Juno-106, perhaps?

I have one.  Don't use it tho...




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(313) Chicago Events?

2004-10-07 Thread Drew Daugherty
Hi all.  Any 313 events of note going on in Chicago this weekend?  Hit 
me back off-list.


-drew


Re: (313) who is....

2004-10-07 Thread jurren baars

some stupid kid wrote:


wajeed, t-3 and jay dee were slum village


no they were not!
jay dee, t-3 and baatin formed slum village;
jay dee sort of left, and elzhi (sp?) joined, wajeed took care of some of 
the production


to make up for my mistake, some more info:
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=5308

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Re: (313) vintage gear

2004-10-07 Thread David Gillies

Emu SP-1200?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i'm trying to compile a list of vintage dance/hip-hop gear...

here's what i have so far...

MPC-60
808
303
909
Linn Drum
Juno 60


i'm especially interested in DJ mixers, spanning from the mid-70's to the
late 80's.

any suggestions?