Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
On 11/23/05, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rarely participate in these 313 food fights, snip I think we can thank Earle for that, taking my critical view of a particular group of SF promoters as a personal attack, while quoting my message which EXPLICITLY states that I am critical of their approach to booking who are supposed to be the vanguard of minimal techno, a large genre which encompasses quite a few varying styles, while they only focus on a single sub-group of this wider genre. If the these promoters can't see a legitimate concern of a music fan as a dissenting opinion but instead get all huffy and puffy about the fact that someone DARED speak up about their concern that these producers are not really a fair representation of a larger scene, then maybe they need to grow some thicker skin. Or is SF a genre monopoly now? we say who is or isn't minimal, and we do so with our booking selection, [EMAIL PROTECTED]|t! And anyone who thinks differently needs to SHUT UP! And if producers cannot read a post that contains a balanced criticism of their performance thoroughly enough, instead of choosing to personally attack me for not bowing my head to them no matter what I thought of their music at a show, then maybe that producer should see whether they're doing music out of the love for it, or out a need to be unanimoously praised about their every and any creative direction they choose to take. Wojtek but the comment below is one of the most self-indulgent and indeed laughable ones seen here in a long, long time. It certainly doesn't portray John Tejada in any fashion relating to, you know, reality. John's work as a DJ and producer stands on its own merits and most will agree with me that he's one of the best we've got out there in the electronic music world. Fred -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas D. Cox, Jr. Subject: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:35:11 -0500 On 11/23/05, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't ordinarily jump in to idiotic arguments like this but when my homeboys are attacked, I gotta represent. I showed this post to John Tejada (via the elists.Resynthesize site) and he said Who is this Wojtek retard? I have nothing to do with Hawtin or his label, I'm not some trendy/popular producer, and there were 500 people there loving it and it looks like the 4 that didn't just had to rush to their computers to diss it. 'Nuff said. he's not a trendy producer? thats laughable. his entire career has been built off of associating himself with whatever genre/style is popular at the time! he's never had a signature sound because his signature sound is ripping off other artists. he can appeal to the 500 hipster morons in attendance all he wants, it doesnt make his music any better or more original. and we're all really impressed that you know tejada by the way, thanks for letting us in on that! when you have your buddy redshift agreeing with you, its not a good day for the common sense of your argument. tom
Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
ok, i'll bite. who would you book instead of these guys? and i don't think it's not that you're not entitled to have critical opinions, it's just that you could probably put them in a more positive manner. even if you didn't mean it as a personal attack, it kinda sounded like it. maybe think through the situation greg and the rest of the kontrol krew are in-- they've been throwing this night at a personal financial risk. i know they're trying to book acts that represent the music they love, but they also want folks to show up, so they might book artists that are also a bit trendy. oh well-- it's still been high quality music, with lots of pretty boys and girls dancing. does the trick for me. if you think that it's possible to throw a techno night in SF with even more out-there talent, step up. i'll come check it out. (but don't come cryin' if the crowd is 75 chin-strokin dudes, all of whom dj or produce.) everyone take it easy and eat some friggin turkey already. -d --- Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Since when has it become wrong to express your critical opinion of a show on this list?!?!? Is it now wrong to point out on the list that yes, minimal techno and house DOES go beyond the glitchy stuff? Just because I chose to point out the limited approach of your promoter homeboys you feel the need to personally attack me?!? Did I personally attack any of the producers? No. The promoters? No. Does this mean that you need to represent the fact that these producers only book (thus far aside from Dan Bell) flavor of the moment glitch producers, while claiming to represent minimal techno as a whole?
(313) November 16, 2005 edition of Vault Radio
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Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
On Nov 23, 2005, at 4:18 PM, dave cronin wrote: ok, i'll bite. who would you book instead of these guys? It's not a matter of not booking these guys, and booking others instead. All I'm saying is, if you book these guys, who, being relatively popular at the moment, are affordable by the promoters, then I'm sure that other producers such as Theo Parrish (maybe) or some more minimal guys would bring at least a reasonable crowd. I think that guys like Theo can get the chicks dancing just as good as the next guy, if not better. Mike Clark was in town the same night, but the promotion for it wasn't nearly as flashy as for the Kontrol party, and he had both the venue on Connecticut dancing, as well as Pink the night after, so maybe it's not as impossible as I think you're hinting at. and i don't think it's not that you're not entitled to have critical opinions, it's just that you could probably put them in a more positive manner. As far as this point goes, I started the thread by pointing out that Detroit guys who were in town (neither one of whom is extremely popular, but have a a decent enough body of work, especially Mike Clark) were not even mentioned in the email from the person that prasised John Tejada's show. After all, we are on a 313 list, right? And to boot, I do (or did, since I don't respect anyone who hurls invective my way without even reading my posts thoroughly, and can't handle critical remarks) enjoy earlier Tejada productions, which anyone could have figured out had they bothered to read my post from beginning to end. In fact, here's the quote: their music lacked in depth and emotion (aside from John Tajada's few emotive but far too short moments) . You're right, that doesn't go all out to praise him, but it sure as he|| doesn't diss him, nor is it even close to attacking him. even if you didn't mean it as a personal attack, it kinda sounded like it. Again, look at my quote from above, I did not slander anyone, only questioned the Kontrol guys booking preferences. But I guess in SF that means that I'll have a promoter cry to a producer, cite my emails out of context, and have him personally attack me. maybe think through the situation greg and the rest of the kontrol krew are in-- they've been throwing this night at a personal financial risk. i know they're trying to book acts that represent the music they love, but they also want folks to show up, so they might book artists that are also a bit trendy. oh well-- it's still been high quality music, with lots of pretty boys and girls dancing. does the trick for me. Fair enough. Any endeavor that goes beyond Tiesto or others in this town should be admirable, sure. BUT, if you advertise your gig as minimal techno, then at least try to book non-micro-house-glitch type artists ALL of the time. SF is trendy enough as it is, and if someone was to book producers or DJ's who might not necessarily be featured in the latest issue of urb or xlr8r, doesn't mean that it'll be a dead night. In my opinion the promoters in question do a good job of promoting the ppl they've booked, so is it really impossible to add some variety to the mix? If it they've tried and no other producers were able to come for whatever reasons, fine. But, like I said (in fairness, mind you) outside of Dan Bell most of these guys were strictly glitch type producers (at least at the moment). if you think that it's possible to throw a techno night in SF with even more out-there talent, step up. I don't know if it is. Are you saying that it's impossible? I did see Derrick May here a few years ago, and the crowd sure was dancing, even though it wasn't Sasha or Digweed, and Hawtin wasn't nearly as popular at the time in this city, when techno of any sort wasn't really on the clubbing radar. Also, Stewart Walker played at the same club last year (though on a night put on by diff. promoters), and the place was both packed and dancing. Nor were they all chinstrokers. i'll come check it out. (but don't come cryin' if the crowd is 75 chin-strokin dudes, all of whom dj or produce.) everyone take it easy and eat some friggin turkey already. -d --- Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Since when has it become wrong to express your critical opinion of a show on this list?!?!? Is it now wrong to point out on the list that yes, minimal techno and house DOES go beyond the glitchy stuff? Just because I chose to point out the limited approach of your promoter homeboys you feel the need to personally attack me?!? Did I personally attack any of the producers? No. The promoters? No. Does this mean that you need to represent the fact that these producers only book (thus far aside from Dan Bell) flavor of the moment glitch producers, while claiming to represent minimal techno as a whole?
Re: (313) tokyo
It's a fabulous place but the first time is frightening as the language barrier is sooo profound. Tower Records in Shibuya is fantastic. You can also get the street press there and I know there's an English language paper. Disk Union in Shibuya is awesome for Detroit and there's a jazz DU somewhere else - I forget where. I always meant to go visit Edo Castle but I get scared negotiating the railways! ;) I stayed at Century Hyatt this time in Nov and there was some great tourist info in the foyer in English that proved better than the guide books. Some things are really cheap in Japan, like diffusion fashion lines if you're buying clothese. The department stores - which are amazing - should give tourists an exemption on their GST equivalent but sometimes they don't tell you because of the language barrier! You should show your passport at point of purchase. The Japanese are lovely and you just need a few basic phrases to get by like thank you, hello, goodbye for starters. It's safe to wander around late too. Have plenty of small change for the vending machines. -- From: mislav bobic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) tokyo Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:39 PM Appologies for interupting minimal topic ;-)) I will be in Tokyo during 25 Nov-4 Dec and thought if someone could give me few tips. Usual stuff like where to hang out, record shops, must see places, good places to eat etc.. Already know for dj 3000 gig in Module Club on 25th Nov. Could be sweet. Anyone from the list going there ? 313-ers from Tokyo ready to meet up for drink or else pls hit me back. It will be my first time there and I can not describe how excited I am. Shouts to everyone on the list ! Mislav -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 19:20 To: Martin Dust; Jason Brunton Cc: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: RE: (313) Laurent Garnier and UR Dan knows... (I don't think he's said no outright. Isn't the possible appearance simply being pushed back till sometime next year?) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 11:18 To: Jason Brunton Cc: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: Re: (313) Laurent Garnier and UR I wasn't really disagreeing Jason but hasn't he said no to the radio thing or have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick? I was merely pointing out that I could understand why he'd/probably say no... On 23 Nov 2005, at 08:39, Jason Brunton wrote: Mike personally doesn't give two hoots about being on Radio One but he has a lot of mouths to feed and the main reason for this tour is to help feed those mouths and increase general public perception of UR- he DOES care about those people and so I can't see any reason why he would veto or morally object to a radio broacast of this kind- if Mike was doing things on his own terms for this tour then A: it would never happen because he hates touring and B: He would be playing at Club 69, T-Funkshun, Traffic and other small clubs across the world and not meat markets like The Arches, Shine etc etc cheers Jason On 22 Nov 2005, at 16:14, Martin Dust wrote: On 22 Nov 2005, at 15:59, Dan Bean wrote: True, but not everyone can get to Liverpool + a Breezeblock session would introduce them to a new (and v. young) audience. Whether you think they should be reaching a wider audience is another story, though my impression is that UR themselves wish to do so. Mike does things on his own terms as far as I can tell and probably wouldn't give two sh1ts about being on Radio 1... m
Re: (313) tokyo
Also remember that Japan's ATMs are not all compatible with Cirrus so have some spare cash or credit card as back up. It's a fabulous place but the first time is frightening as the language barrier is sooo profound. Tower Records in Shibuya is fantastic. You can also get the street press there and I know there's an English language paper. Disk Union in Shibuya is awesome for Detroit and there's a jazz DU somewhere else - I forget where. I always meant to go visit Edo Castle but I get scared negotiating the railways! ;) I stayed at Century Hyatt this time in Nov and there was some great tourist info in the foyer in English that proved better than the guide books. Some things are really cheap in Japan, like diffusion fashion lines if you're buying clothese. The department stores - which are amazing - should give tourists an exemption on their GST equivalent but sometimes they don't tell you because of the language barrier! You should show your passport at point of purchase. The Japanese are lovely and you just need a few basic phrases to get by like thank you, hello, goodbye for starters. It's safe to wander around late too. Have plenty of small change for the vending machines. -- From: mislav bobic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) tokyo Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:39 PM Appologies for interupting minimal topic ;-)) I will be in Tokyo during 25 Nov-4 Dec and thought if someone could give me few tips. Usual stuff like where to hang out, record shops, must see places, good places to eat etc.. Already know for dj 3000 gig in Module Club on 25th Nov. Could be sweet. Anyone from the list going there ? 313-ers from Tokyo ready to meet up for drink or else pls hit me back. It will be my first time there and I can not describe how excited I am. Shouts to everyone on the list ! Mislav -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 19:20 To: Martin Dust; Jason Brunton Cc: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: RE: (313) Laurent Garnier and UR Dan knows... (I don't think he's said no outright. Isn't the possible appearance simply being pushed back till sometime next year?) -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 11:18 To: Jason Brunton Cc: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: Re: (313) Laurent Garnier and UR I wasn't really disagreeing Jason but hasn't he said no to the radio thing or have I got hold of the wrong end of the stick? I was merely pointing out that I could understand why he'd/probably say no... On 23 Nov 2005, at 08:39, Jason Brunton wrote: Mike personally doesn't give two hoots about being on Radio One but he has a lot of mouths to feed and the main reason for this tour is to help feed those mouths and increase general public perception of UR- he DOES care about those people and so I can't see any reason why he would veto or morally object to a radio broacast of this kind- if Mike was doing things on his own terms for this tour then A: it would never happen because he hates touring and B: He would be playing at Club 69, T-Funkshun, Traffic and other small clubs across the world and not meat markets like The Arches, Shine etc etc cheers Jason On 22 Nov 2005, at 16:14, Martin Dust wrote: On 22 Nov 2005, at 15:59, Dan Bean wrote: True, but not everyone can get to Liverpool + a Breezeblock session would introduce them to a new (and v. young) audience. Whether you think they should be reaching a wider audience is another story, though my impression is that UR themselves wish to do so. Mike does things on his own terms as far as I can tell and probably wouldn't give two sh1ts about being on Radio 1... m
Re: (313) Heaven 17
Martin Rushent Vince Clarke did a nice H17 sounding song with new UK posse Freeform Five and there's a H17 remix that sounds just like them - really good. It's on their album Strangest Things, both versions. -- From: theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Heaven 17 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 8:25 AM Any ideas around these parts as to the sound the resurrected B.E.F. is doing these days? jeff
RE: (313) Heaven 17
Really? My all-time favourite, 303-toting, Earth Wind Fire Horn section-hiring, card-carrying communist, funkiest blue-eyed Yorkshiremen in town - are back!?!? :-) -Original Message- From: theREALmxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 22:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Heaven 17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh? What? B.E.F. is working together again? Could that mean some more scathing political electronic music disguised as pop music? MEK Yup - they've reinstated the British Electrical Foundation business operations and Heaven 17 have a new record out already. I believe they are playing next week (The Scala?) in London.' jeff
RE: (313) Heaven 17
Heaven 17: Out on September 26th is Before After, the newest album from Heaven 17 and their first in over 9 years. Announced since the year 2001, Before After offers Heaven 17 in old quality: pop melody, disco beats, warmth, exquisite design, soul and electro-funk. Fronted by Glenn Gregory, the band also holds Martyn Ware and Ian Craig Marsh as members who both have pioneered British synthesizer pop through The Future, The Human League and Heaven 17 itself. They are responsible for two of the UK's greatest electro singles: Being Boiled and (We Don't Need This) Fascist Groove Thing and elevated the role of producers to the level of artist in the 1980s with Terence Trent D'Arby and re-launching Tina Turner's career. In recent years Martyn Ware has recorded music with Vince Clarke, Ian Craig Marsh has been involved with soundtrack work while Glenn Gregory's ambient pop group Honeyroot caught the public's attention with their version of Joy Division's Love Will Tear Us Apart. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 24 november 2005 09:01 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 Org Onderwerp: RE: (313) Heaven 17 Really? My all-time favourite, 303-toting, Earth Wind Fire Horn section-hiring, card-carrying communist, funkiest blue-eyed Yorkshiremen in town - are back!?!? :-) -Original Message- From: theREALmxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 November 2005 22:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Heaven 17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh? What? B.E.F. is working together again? Could that mean some more scathing political electronic music disguised as pop music? MEK Yup - they've reinstated the British Electrical Foundation business operations and Heaven 17 have a new record out already. I believe they are playing next week (The Scala?) in London.' jeff
(313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin
Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle ?q=title/Throbbing+Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG ?q=title/TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman ?q=title/Derek+Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records ?q=title/Industrial+Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art ?q=title/Kunst-Werke+Institute+for+Contemporary+Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin
Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle ?q=title/Throbbing+Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG ?q=title/TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman ?q=title/Derek+Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records ?q=title/Industrial+Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art ?q=title/Kunst-Werke+Institute+for+Contemporary+Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
(313) Holiday
no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
(313) RNG album
ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
(313) Speedy J Collabs
Anyone heard their album 'metalism' or seen them live already?? It sounds quite allright to me..pounding! Chris Liebing and Speedy J Collabs session format: The focus of the show is collaboration and improvisation. They will both be on stage performing together for the duration of the show. as with the previous collabs sessions in detroit and rotterdam the way they perform totally blurs the boundaries between dj-ing and playing live. for the music they draw from a huge collection of custom loops, tracks and sound which they generated during their studio sessions in the past 2 years, and there will also be use of other people's music (the last remaining element of dj-ing in the show), however, everything can be manipulated, morphed, re-arranged and treated on the fly. The live-act will take minimum 3 hours, if possible 4-6 hours.
Re: (313) RNG album
Thought it was pretty good and I enjoyed the fact they took some risks rather than just repeating the past... On 24 Nov 2005, at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
that lad, wojtek, did not subject tejada to a personal attack, but simply gave an honest critique of the event in sf. but what's the story with your (mr cox's) vitriol aimed at tejada? i've bought many of tejada's records over the years, going back as far as 1997, including two albums on a13, and i would have to say that tejada is one house/techno producer that has his own signature sound, debunking your accusation of him being a mimic. no matter what genre he tries his hand at, you can tell that its a tejada record. now, i've never heard his jungle releases, but have heard junglists sing their praises(and haven't jungle artists tried their hand at house/techno on his palette label? seems he has respect amongst some of them). it is all down to taste, but i would say that he has made some (and an emphasis on some) records that are outstanding, particularly his releases on 7th city, a detroit label as you well know. my problem with him is the high output level which seems to lead to a dropping of quality control. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:35 pm Subject: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF On 11/23/05, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't ordinarily jump in to idiotic arguments like this but when my homeboys are attacked, I gotta represent. I showed this post to John Tejada (via the elists.Resynthesize site) and he said Who is this Wojtek retard? I have nothing to do with Hawtin or his label, I'm not some trendy/popular producer, and there were 500 people there loving it and it looks like the 4 that didn't just had to rush to their computers to diss it. 'Nuff said. he's not a trendy producer? thats laughable. his entire career has been built off of associating himself with whatever genre/style is popular at the time! he's never had a signature sound because his signature sound is ripping off other artists. he can appeal to the 500 hipster morons in attendance all he wants, it doesnt make his music any better or more original. and we're all really impressed that you know tejada by the way, thanks for letting us in on that! when you have your buddy redshift agreeing with you, its not a good day for the common sense of your argument. tom
RE: (313) RNG album
It's interesting to note how the RNG style and the Octave One style you could hear on the 'Theory of Everything' LP, appear to be merging. I intend to review both LPs elsewhere within a couple of weeks. I'll post a note when they're up. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2005 12:01 To: 313 Subject: (313) RNG album ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
Re: (313) RNG album
well, not on itself I enjoy the fact if an artist takes some risk. it still will be in the result, in the music, if it is any good, the risk is well taken. it's quite obvious with Octave One and RNG, they try to move on, which is a good thing - but until now I think the results are rather dissapointing. Of both albums some tracks are really brilliant, and on the other hand some pretty dull. all a matter of opinion. any others? - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) RNG album Thought it was pretty good and I enjoyed the fact they took some risks rather than just repeating the past... On 24 Nov 2005, at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
Re: (313) RNG album
I like the idea of what the are trying to do and I'd agree that the flow of the album is a bit difficult at times but there's a real good mix on there, Shook is ace, Don't Know bends heads at after party's, as does CoffinRide. I wish they'd gone even further with the ruff cuts and flow - you can hear it being hinted at... On 24 Nov 2005, at 12:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, not on itself I enjoy the fact if an artist takes some risk. it still will be in the result, in the music, if it is any good, the risk is well taken. it's quite obvious with Octave One and RNG, they try to move on, which is a good thing - but until now I think the results are rather dissapointing. Of both albums some tracks are really brilliant, and on the other hand some pretty dull. all a matter of opinion. any others? - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) RNG album Thought it was pretty good and I enjoyed the fact they took some risks rather than just repeating the past... On 24 Nov 2005, at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
Re: (313) RNG album
haven't heard the rng album, but the non-techno tracks on the theory of everything would seem to me like an indication of them trying to find a bigger audience. but, as far as i can remember, the r 'n b tracks were of the bland variety. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:18 pm Subject: Re: (313) RNG album well, not on itself I enjoy the fact if an artist takes some risk. it still will be in the result, in the music, if it is any good, the risk is well taken. it's quite obvious with Octave One and RNG, they try to move on, which is a good thing - but until now I think the results are rather dissapointing. Of both albums some tracks are really brilliant, and on the other hand some pretty dull. all a matter of opinion. any others? - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) RNG album Thought it was pretty good and I enjoyed the fact they took some risks rather than just repeating the past... On 24 Nov 2005, at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
Re: (313) RNG album
I like it. I also like the idea of them putting out more downtempo tracks interspersed among the faster cuts. I don't think all of those downptempo tracks work though. You wrote: ok, what do people think about the Random Noise Generation album? for me, I really dig the techno tracks, real, deep and subtile Burden Brothers style but I don't really understand all the other tracks.. ? - Original Message - From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: (313) Holiday no, not another Madonna thread ;-) Just a quick one to say happy thanksgiving to our US friends Cheers BT
(313) Happy Thanksgiving
The bird is in the oven. I think I'll get the fireplace going and watch the snow fall. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
(313) Thanks
Is it cold in Detroit now, or have you guys shipped all your weather here! Happy thanksgiving, all. Ken Odeluga Copy Editor, Markets - Market Talk Dow Jones Newswires 10 Fleet Place Limeburner Lane LONDON EC4M 7QN 020 7842 9297 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Thanks
Odeluga, Ken wrote: Is it cold in Detroit now, or have you guys shipped all your weather here! Happy thanksgiving, all. No - we seem to have plenty on hand as well as some to share. We've even saved ourselves some snow. jeff
Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin
I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle ?q=title/Throbbing+Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG ?q=title/ TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman ? q=title/Derek+Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records ?q=title/Industrial+Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art ?q=title/Kunst-Werke+Institute+for+Contemporary +Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin
They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle ?q=title/Throbbing+Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG ?q=title/TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman ?q=title/Derek+Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records ?q=title/Industrial+Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art ?q=title/Kunst-Werke+Institute+for+Contemporary+Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
(313) Timebomb...was Tejada/Maxwell in SF
Speaking of timebomb... Does anyone else notice the similarities of timebomb to the background music on the Verizon Wireless Radio Commercials? The guitar pattern in the commercial is exactly like timebomb to my ears...Anyone? Anyone? I'm off to eat deep fried turkey. -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF On 11/23/05, Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you go right on being offended, Tom. Just don't be surprised with all the snickering around you. snickering is nothing compared to my reaction to people playing any tejada record outside of timebomb. tom -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/181 - Release Date: 11/24/2005
Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:09 AM, Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, look at my quote from above, I did not slander anyone, only questioned the Kontrol guys booking preferences. But I guess in SF that means that I'll have a promoter cry to a producer, cite my emails out of context, and have him personally attack me. If you're referring to me, I am not in SF, I am in LA. I am not a promoter. I have nothing to do with the Kontrol promoters. It appears from other peoples' e-mails that there may be a Greg involved with Kontrol, but that is not me. Anyone on this list who knows me (and there are many - I've been here for over 8 years now) knows that I do not name drop to name drop - I've known John Tejada for over 10 years now, his paramour Lynn Hasty used to put on the best Electronic Music shows in LA and I went to nearly all of her events and met them both very early on. I have also known Justin Maxwell (through the SoCal-Raves mailing list) ever since he was in his teens and used to hang out with him a fair bit before he moved up to Oakland. To me, your comments about the promoters only booking trendy/popular producers/musicians were a back-handed insult to John Justin as far as I was concerned. Given that you had already made a comment about how they lacked in depth and emotion and play[ed] to the crowd, incorporating electro-clash guitar samples and a whole slew of quirky and gimmicky ``glitch'' sounds, I felt compelled to come to their defense. Maybe I overreacted, but if you knew well-known musicians and you felt they were unfairly slagged on a public mailing list you were on, you'd probably feel compelled to do the same. (Now please respect my Reply-To: header and follow up to the list.) - Greg
Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
Before anyone goes off dissing on promoters, maybe they should walk a few miles in those shoes. Any time Art meets Commerce, Art has to make all the comprimises -- even if the promoters are honest and have their hearts in the right place. Promoting parties is like what Coppola said about making movies -- it's a way to spend money, not a way to make money. As for Tejada -- John has been a prolific producer and has made many tracks I like and play out. Others not so much, but that's what personal taste is -- personal. All the Iowa City people came back from Detroit last may raving about the set he did at Foran's monday night, and he's #1 on everyone's list to bring to Iowa City. And Iowa City is a long f*cking way from any hipster meetup in California. We don't got hipsters, just a couple hundred fans of dance music and beer who just want DJs that can show them a good time. Justin Maxwell is someone I go way back with, though I've only met him IRL once. If Justin is 'trendy' that's by accident -- Justin has been following his own cracked muse all along, and hey if he's trendy at the moment, great for him. Believe me, if you knew Justin, you'd know that if he saw a bandwagon, he'd slip on a banana peel trying to jump on, and end up in the ER getting stitches. There's a lot of artists whose work I have never really liked, or records by people I like that I think are weak, but I'm never going to bag on them or question their motives if they're doing what they do with an open heart. As a wannabe producer, let me tell you, it's incredibly hard work just making mediocre tracks. To completely dismiss a producer because what they do isn't necessarily to your taste is pretty unfair, and if the shoe was on the other foot, and _you_ were making tracks that someone on some mailing list didn't like, you would want them to confine their criticism to the work, and not make any judgements about your character.
RE: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
-Original Message- From: Kent Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Promoting parties is like what Coppola said about making movies -- it's a way to spend money, not a way to make money. Nail on head
Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
Alright, yeah. I glad I get this in a digest format. It let's me stay out of the worst of it. I wish more people would put reviews up and reviews sometimes are bad, but heck yeah i want to know. I didn't review Magda because I thought she was pretty bad, I am glad she makes the tea cause she could barely mix a cake on the decks with rather boring track selection. People liked it though, so go figure. I have a feeling that the next generation of club goers either don't know great music or don't have the referrence of great sets to compare people to. I wouldn't expect 313ers to have such a blank perspective. I think that what SF scene is still lacking is a solid detroit influence, and I don't really like house so I am not rushing out to see the mike clark or theo parrish, type stuff. I would like to see Rob hood out here or buzz or auxx 88 at a club night. I know the Kontrol folks and have been trying to think of someone from the D to recomend, that would be accessable and experimental enough. I hope that Fred kooky scientist will get out here sometime. I am glad there is a scene here again for people to get up in arms about, there have been some great shows and some boring ones. Parties are just parties though, they come and go and hopefully everybody has some fun. Zen party going... happy thanksgiving, be grateful for what you have, you may not have it tomorrow. tom
(313) Peir Bucci in SF this weekend
somebody I wish going to see this weekend, one of Luciano's playmates from the south. 2005 Peir Bucci ANU San Francisco CA US
Re: (313) Tejada/Maxwell in SF
On Nov 24, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Greg Earle wrote: If you're referring to me, I am not in SF, I am in LA. I am not a promoter. I have nothing to do with the Kontrol promoters. It appears from other peoples' e-mails that there may be a Greg involved with Kontrol, but that is not me. Fair enough. You are however, the same Greg who decided to interpret my own take on the Tejada show and draw a limited conclusion from it, totally ignoring a key point, that he played a a set that I didn't overall enjoy ASIDE FROM A FEW EMOTIVE MOMENTS. From what you've written, apparently Mr. Tejada chose to ignore that point as well, choosing instead to personally attack me (and you chose to forward that attack to the list), instead of seeing the fact that yes, it is possible that there might be fans out there who do not equally enjoy all of his work. If my attitude towards his promoters came across as negative, then it probably was due to the fact that someone who apparently went to the show as well has posted to the list, saying that given how great this particular show was in their eyes, ...what more could we hope for? What more could we hope for?!?!? In a city that claims to be one of the most progressive in every sense in the world, we have an electronic music nightlife scene that plays host to either trance or bland house in most clubs, or, as I see it, productions that FOR THE MOST PART (and this is key here) book currently popular artists (For more on that, please see my response to Dave Cronin that I posted yesterday). ONCE AGAIN, I think that jumping to conclusions based on snippets of my message does not make it ok for a producer to call a music fan names behind his back (and then have a list member forward that personal email to the list in order to get at me for my critical remarks, now that's what i call BALLS! ;) just because that music fan may not like all of that producers work. You're saying that me criticizing promoters' booking choices is equal to saying that a producer sucks? In this case, I'm sure that if I were to criticize local trance promoters Spundae who booked Hawtin in 2001 would mean that Hawtin would then contact a list member and feel hurt b/c I DARED to criticize the ppl who book him? In this case, I'm surprised that no one associated with M-nus or hawtin on this list doesn't forward Hawtin's emails to the list calling all the listmembers who dislike his current work losers, @**holes, or what have you. But then again, I'm sure that Hawtin doesn't give two bleeps about that fact that some Detroit music lovers may not dig his current output. Big deal. But I guess if you're a producer who can't take criticism then you call your critics names, since it's really impossible to argue with anything in their well-reasoned argument. Notice that most of the recent posts about this thread seem to focus around everyone's defense of Tejada. Why? because someone dares to say that they didn't care for his current music style, and wished to hear more of his earlier style of work (which is EXACTLY what i said in my first post)? Or that they DARE wish for more variety in bookings? Anyone on this list who knows me (and there are many - I've been here for over 8 years now) knows that I do not name drop to name drop - I've known John Tejada for over 10 years now, his paramour Lynn Hasty used to put on the best Electronic Music shows in LA and I went to nearly all of her events and met them both very early on. I have also known Justin Maxwell (through the SoCal-Raves mailing list) ever since he was in his teens and used to hang out with him a fair bit before he moved up to Oakland. To me, your comments about the promoters only booking trendy/popular producers/musicians were a back-handed insult to John Justin as far as I was concerned. ...And so you chose to forward Tejada's personal attack to the list. Again, why do you think that? Read the comment about Hawtin and Spundae above. Given that you had already made a comment about how they lacked in depth and emotion and play[ed] to the crowd, incorporating electro-clash guitar samples and a whole slew of quirky and gimmicky ``glitch'' sounds, I felt compelled to come to their defense. Maybe I overreacted, but if you knew well-known musicians and you felt they were unfairly slagged on a public mailing list you were on, you'd probably feel compelled to do the same. If I knew a well known musician, say Derrick May, and someone on the list said that he played nothing that night except boring loop-techno tracks and only one or two of his own productions, then i'd say, ok, that's the guy's opinion, Derrick played some looped techno, so what? I'm not gonna protect my friend's rep (or, more accurately, stroke his EGO) by writing to the list that the critical show attendee is out of line b/c he DARED criticize the ALMIGHTY Derrick May, and then go cry to Derrick about it and have
Re: (313) Throbbing Gristle Live in Berlin
It would be nice to see them come to the states.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Martin Dust wrote: They play Barcelona in March :) On 24 Nov 2005, at 15:23, vmax wrote: I agree, it is going to be a great night for all that attend.. I would like to be there as well.. On Nov 24, 2005, at 5:33 AM, Martin Dust wrote: Looks pretty good, wish I could make it over, they're doing great stuff at the moment... m On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:31, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Interessting news for some of u on this list.i guess:-) Sorry of this is mentioned before.. 'UK quartet Throbbing Gristle ?q=title/Throbbing+Gristle will perform two exclusive concerts for New Year's at Volksbühne in Berlin, Germany. The two gigs will be different performances with the second being a seated event with TG ?q=title/ TG will create a new live soundtrack to Derek Jarman ?q=title/Derek+Jarman 's 1980 film In The Shadow Of The Sun. A brand new studio album Part Two is TG's first in 25 years and will be made available the Volksbühne gigs first. A major new TG / Industrial Records ?q=title/Industrial +Records exhibition INDUSTRIAL ANNUAL REPORT will be shown at Kunst-Werke Institute for Contemporary Art ?q=title/Kunst-Werke+Institute+for+Contemporary +Art , Berlin opening on 30th December through to March 2006. Dec.31 2005 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (concert) Jan.01,2006 Berlin,DE ~ Volksbühne (soundtrack performance)' Martijn
