RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
Kraftwerk have played in Kingston?!? Pow. [Perhaps you mean Kingston-upon-Hull Martin] -Original Message- From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:16 PM To: [313] Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote: > > On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: > >> There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? > > Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people > listed. > > m
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
I don't know how anyone makes a living in NZ. Even the daily newspapers don't pay freelancers, crying poor, and won't send you copies or tear sheets of published work. No wonder everyone worships Peter Jackson so much - probably being an extra in Lord Of The Rings is the one way people get fed over there with the catering vans! ;) On 09/09/2008, at 7:00 AM, Andy Mitchell wrote: Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. I was just being cheeky by calling Radio New Zealand out on it - they're not really a music station, as opposed to something like BBC's Radio 1 or 1Xtra for whom it's obviously worth the effort. Radio New Zealand do on occasion obtain artist waivers. There are some good live recordings of local and visiting artists here: http://www.radionz.co.nz/popular/music/live The music in Mike's interview wasn't all his though, so I guess they couldn't do it in this case. It is kinda crazy too, that they can archive music review features but only with all of the music cut out!! On the upside, my mate who is a proper UR fan also recorded an interview with Mike over the weekend, and it will be posted online once cut to some music tracks (we did a Theo Parrish one which was posted here a couple of years ago). Might take a minute, but I'll let you all know once it's ready...
Re: (313) placid storms detroit :D
There will be no other place like this – to see 313 list heads filling in like matches in a box! Wish i could drop by. Kw On Sep 8, 2008, at 9:46 PM, /0 wrote: for detroit area listmembers, placid will be making his first detroit appearance on the 18th at oslo along with kevin reynolds (live) and patrick russell. $5, 10pm, 21+ oslo, detroit
(313) placid storms detroit :D
for detroit area listmembers, placid will be making his first detroit appearance on the 18th at oslo along with kevin reynolds (live) and patrick russell. $5, 10pm, 21+ oslo, detroit
Re: (313) Talking Of Techno and Technology
hmm, second time today I've discussed or referenced this paper: Astrophysical implications of hypothetical stable TeV-scale black holes http://lsag.web.cern.ch/lsag/CERN-PH-TH_2008-025.pdf Steven B. Giddingsa,1 and Michelangelo L. Manganob,2 a Department of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, CA 93106 b PH-TH, CERN, Geneva, Switzerland - Original Message - From: "Frank Glazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: (313) Talking Of Techno and Technology If a catastrophic event does take place it's probable that we'll never feel a thing, just poof. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This thing blows on Wednesday - hope to see you Thursday :) http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html http://www.lhc.ac.uk/ m -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Talking Of Techno and Technology
If a catastrophic event does take place it's probable that we'll never feel a thing, just poof. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This thing blows on Wednesday - hope to see you Thursday :) > > http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html > http://www.lhc.ac.uk/ > > m > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
>> They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do >> close people down for it. > > This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local > organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees > are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even > streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): > PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at > the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on > demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright > owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness...
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Martin Dust wrote: And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming. Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :) m i'd say this is a decent thread departure... ;)
Re: (313) 53 messages and counting about Richie Hawtin and Traktor...
Richie is like the Madonna of techno! :-) On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM, kent williams wrote: Man, Richie Hawtin is 313's third rail. I don't have anything to add, really, except to say that the best DJ sets I've seen were done with two turntables and a mixer without effects. If you play the right records, in the right order, and mix them right, magic happens. No reason not to experiment with new stuff, or to redefine what a DJ does, but the results are what matters. And there is an undefinable something to a DJ who can grab ahold of a dancefloor and make it a top night, and while technique and gadgets can help, they won't make a boring DJ exciting. And I've seen Richie be exciting, and I've seen him be boring. I have to think that part of what makings his sets these days pretty lackluster is that he really knows his audience, and he's giving them what they want. I know people who are among the faithful, and they'll argue that everything he does is brilliant. I know people with Plastikman TATOOS for Jebus' sake! Given that he's got a global audience who think he's awesome no matter what he does, and has surrounded himself with a group of DJs and producers who do nothing to challenge him, it's no wonder he bothers the picky bastards on 313.
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
i rest my case. On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:19 PM, kent williams wrote: Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-) Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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It's from Downfall, a movie about the last days of Hittler in the bunker, and some related events. On Sep 8, 2008, at 6:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Now I'm going to have to listen to techno all night at home." LOL MEK P.S. - what movie is this clip originally from? I've just seen so many versions of this I wouldn't mind seeing the original Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
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Can we invoke Godwin's Law now and declare this thread finished? ;-) > Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' >> > >> > >> > >> OK, lets tip the balance... >> >> Hitler is a M_nus fan! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 >> >> m > >
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
"Now I'm going to have to listen to techno all night at home." LOL MEK P.S. - what movie is this clip originally from? I've just seen so many versions of this I wouldn't mind seeing the original Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/08/2008 03:59:46 PM: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' > > > > > > > OK, lets tip the balance... > > Hitler is a M_nus fan! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 > > m
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
>> Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the >> ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the >> tracks. >> >> Odd. > > They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do > close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. I was just being cheeky by calling Radio New Zealand out on it - they're not really a music station, as opposed to something like BBC's Radio 1 or 1Xtra for whom it's obviously worth the effort. Radio New Zealand do on occasion obtain artist waivers. There are some good live recordings of local and visiting artists here: http://www.radionz.co.nz/popular/music/live The music in Mike's interview wasn't all his though, so I guess they couldn't do it in this case. It is kinda crazy too, that they can archive music review features but only with all of the music cut out!! On the upside, my mate who is a proper UR fan also recorded an interview with Mike over the weekend, and it will be posted online once cut to some music tracks (we did a Theo Parrish one which was posted here a couple of years ago). Might take a minute, but I'll let you all know once it's ready...
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Technolgystolemyvinyl' OK, lets tip the balance... Hitler is a M_nus fan! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNY85iAw4b4 m
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
'Technolgystolemyvinyl' On Tue, September 9, 2008 3:52 am, Martin Dust wrote: >> And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not >> the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. >> >> yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably >> previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his >> art is definitely the programming. > Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he > hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he > drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :) > > m >
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And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming. Massive fan of his work and he's a top fella as well. I love the way he hardly moves and then just gives that little smile of his before he drops the next bomb. I wish he'd sort a new album out :) m
Re: (313) 53 messages and counting about Richie Hawtin and Traktor...
Thankyou for that. Well said, you beat me to the punch. On Tue, September 9, 2008 2:55 am, kent williams wrote: > Man, Richie Hawtin is 313's third rail. > > I don't have anything to add, really, except to say that the best DJ > sets I've seen were done with two turntables and a mixer without > effects. If you play the right records, in the right order, and mix > them right, magic happens. No reason not to experiment with new stuff, > or to redefine what a DJ does, but the results are what matters. And > there is an undefinable something to a DJ who can grab ahold of a > dancefloor and make it a top night, and while technique and gadgets > can help, they won't make a boring DJ exciting. > > And I've seen Richie be exciting, and I've seen him be boring. I have > to think that part of what makings his sets these days pretty > lackluster is that he really knows his audience, and he's giving them > what they want. I know people who are among the faithful, and they'll > argue that everything he does is brilliant. I know people with > Plastikman TATOOS for Jebus' sake! Given that he's got a global > audience who think he's awesome no matter what he does, and has > surrounded himself with a group of DJs and producers who do nothing to > challenge him, it's no wonder he bothers the picky bastards on 313. >
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
On Sep 8, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Martin Dust wrote: I don't see why "who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way", "who's getting the most out of this gear" is being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into something else. I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a reasonable bet. And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles very little. yeap. save for the fact that now he can play stuff that was probably previously impossible to match, he's really just playing tracks. his art is definitely the programming.
(313) Talking Of Techno and Technology
This thing blows on Wednesday - hope to see you Thursday :) http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html http://www.lhc.ac.uk/ m
(313) 53 messages and counting about Richie Hawtin and Traktor...
Man, Richie Hawtin is 313's third rail. I don't have anything to add, really, except to say that the best DJ sets I've seen were done with two turntables and a mixer without effects. If you play the right records, in the right order, and mix them right, magic happens. No reason not to experiment with new stuff, or to redefine what a DJ does, but the results are what matters. And there is an undefinable something to a DJ who can grab ahold of a dancefloor and make it a top night, and while technique and gadgets can help, they won't make a boring DJ exciting. And I've seen Richie be exciting, and I've seen him be boring. I have to think that part of what makings his sets these days pretty lackluster is that he really knows his audience, and he's giving them what they want. I know people who are among the faithful, and they'll argue that everything he does is brilliant. I know people with Plastikman TATOOS for Jebus' sake! Given that he's got a global audience who think he's awesome no matter what he does, and has surrounded himself with a group of DJs and producers who do nothing to challenge him, it's no wonder he bothers the picky bastards on 313.
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
I see 2 many djs the same way i see girl talk. The worst thing is that they go to a more demagogic arena thrill. They emulate a rock show by cutting off the boring parts or the non-top charting tunes and filling the spaces with all the climax moments an arena rock show would have. On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Todd Sines wrote: BMG / Ectomorph. His "DJ" sets are more like on the fly mashups of Prince, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, P Funk, Laid Back, Kraftwerk and B-52s. 2 Many DJs wish they could hold a torch to what he does with Live with their sets.. but thankfully, everything's already sync'ed within Live. as for Traktor: I have been dabbling with the 4 decks thing but still using turntables for the first 2 tracks and then synching to their "master" pitch clocks. You can easily start up another deck or two using your other decks' pitch. Sometimes it works, other times not. As good as Traktor is, it's not always making razor-sharp 1/2/4/8- bar loops for you -- I wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time. But it does make DJing a lot more fun than just playing 90% of the song and fading in the ends. ;) +odd -- On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote: Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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Ronny Pries wrote: me :) Another one, but he also uses boxes has to be the fantastic Neil Landtrumm. http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/music/connect/2008/artist/neil_landstrumm/?video003#video m
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me :) My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good?
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That's a good analogy! I was never very into his sound, but he works in the same way of operations, looping beats and pieces, but he seems to achieve better results, be it in the matter of moods or ambiences. On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Wojtek wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? monolake.
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Kowalsky wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? Kero is one of mine favs, Tim Exile is another - mental stuff.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh for goodness sake, if this argument "bores" you why are you trying so hard to have it? Get out of the wrong side of the bed did we? I don't see why "who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way", "who's getting the most out of this gear" is being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into something else. I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a reasonable bet. And saying Surgeon proves the point, his art is in the programming not the way he mixes or what he uses - he twiddles every little.
RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
Well put. I found that all of the tricks he showed in that video lack any sort of musicality at all. I'd have rather heard the tracks in their original format on 2 turntables or cd players, mixed well, rather than with the faux breakdowns. Chris -Original Message- From: Kowalsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:24 PM To: [313] Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd scream from time to time. It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get in - the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the people into the playing. Kw On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said > previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he > uses a MPC on top of it. > My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? > monolake.
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BMG / Ectomorph. His "DJ" sets are more like on the fly mashups of Prince, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, P Funk, Laid Back, Kraftwerk and B-52s. 2 Many DJs wish they could hold a torch to what he does with Live with their sets.. but thankfully, everything's already sync'ed within Live. as for Traktor: I have been dabbling with the 4 decks thing but still using turntables for the first 2 tracks and then synching to their "master" pitch clocks. You can easily start up another deck or two using your other decks' pitch. Sometimes it works, other times not. As good as Traktor is, it's not always making razor-sharp 1/2/4/8-bar loops for you -- I wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time. But it does make DJing a lot more fun than just playing 90% of the song and fading in the ends. ;) +odd -- On Sep 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote: Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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Well, hawtin seems to do what's possible. But i didn't like, as i said previously. Sandrinho, a brazilian DJ/producer, does it quite well. And he uses a MPC on top of it. My question was: who does the loop frenzy twisting knobs-o-rama good? On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Martin Dust wrote: Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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Oh for goodness sake, if this argument "bores" you why are you trying so hard to have it? No one said it had to be different to be great. Doing things this way can be 100% fine. "use as little or a much as you need" yes, agreed. On Kraftwerk I thought they were their last "live" show was the best thing I've seen in years and I don't care that much how live it was. Right now, in this thread, you're not hearing the "Musicians Union" argument from anyone (though I admit it has come up on here). I don't see why "who is using this exciting new technology in an interesting way", "who's getting the most out of this gear" is being viewed as something other than a positive topic and twisted into something else. I thought the Surgeon answer was probably a reasonable bet. > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 08 September 2008 19:35 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's > > point was not so much "who's using laptops and controllers" > > but "who's doing something different with this gear" in, say, the way > > apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch > > it, sorry). > > > > I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something > > subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been > > difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre > > laptop band to do). > > > > > My point is you don't have to be doing something "different" for it to > be great., use as little or a much as you need. Kraftwerk could not do > what they do now without bringing the whole of the studio with them. > > All the arguements about this bore me to death, it like listening to the > Muscian Union in the late 70's with their "Keep Music Live" campaign. > The last people I expect to hear this arguement from is people into techno.
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Kowalsky wrote: I agree with you. But what you're saying now has nothing to do with what i was asking in first place. OK, Let me reverse it and as you a question. which DJ do you know who can do what's possible with 4 decks in Trakor or Ableton? m
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point was not so much "who's using laptops and controllers" but "who's doing something different with this gear" in, say, the way apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch it, sorry). I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop band to do). My point is you don't have to be doing something "different" for it to be great., use as little or a much as you need. Kraftwerk could not do what they do now without bringing the whole of the studio with them. All the arguements about this bore me to death, it like listening to the Muscian Union in the late 70's with their "Keep Music Live" campaign. The last people I expect to hear this arguement from is people into techno. m
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Sorry to intervene and probably get things totally wrong but I think K's point was not so much "who's using laptops and controllers" but "who's doing something different with this gear" in, say, the way apparently RH says he is in the vid (haven't had time to watch it, sorry). I.e. you watch or listen to them and think they're doing something subjectively / artistically pleasing that would have been difficult before that technology existed (so hard for a vinyl DJ or pre laptop band to do). > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 08 September 2008 18:23 > > On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:15, Kowalsky wrote: > > > Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the > > same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and > > there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting > > style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow - what > > means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in > > kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin > > scrambling loops. > > Sure but you're splitting hairs now :) > > m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:15, Kowalsky wrote: Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow – what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. Sure but you're splitting hairs now :) m
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Maybe i'm not being totally clear: they play their songs, in the same form they were once recorded, with minor changes here and there. They don't re-arrange the songs in a freeform knob twisting style. Their shows, in a tour, have a script they follow – what means that a show in paris will be almost the same as a show in kingston. They act more like a traditional band than like hawtin scrambling loops. On Sep 8, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people listed. m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 18:06, Kowalsky wrote: There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? Not really, they've moved with the times just like all the people listed. m
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There's no big difference, except for Kraftwerk, don't you think? On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:51, Kowalsky wrote: I know that. But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing. Most of the artist I listed play their own music or appear live as well as DJing - what's the difference when you boil it all down really? m
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On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:51, Kowalsky wrote: I know that. But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing. Most of the artist I listed play their own music or appear live as well as DJing - what's the difference when you boil it all down really? m
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I know that. But they're playing their own music, not just spinning loops/djing. Kw On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:40, Kowalsky wrote: Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why? Laptops, Controllers, 3 Octave keyboard no different to what most people use. m
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
On 8 Sep 2008, at 17:40, Kowalsky wrote: Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why? Laptops, Controllers, 3 Octave keyboard no different to what most people use. m
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
Do you really think that Kraftwerk fits into this? Why? On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2008, at 15:42, Garrett McGrath wrote: On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? Surgeon. Rob Hall, Regis, Kraftwerk, Kero, James Ruskin, Claro, Andy Stott, Monospace etc etc... m
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
On 8 Sep 2008, at 15:42, Garrett McGrath wrote: On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? Surgeon. Rob Hall, Regis, Kraftwerk, Kero, James Ruskin, Claro, Andy Stott, Monospace etc etc... m
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
On Sep 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? Surgeon.
(313) CHICAGO - Sa.9/20 - Jackson feat. DAEDELUS (Ninja Tune), DJ SLUGO (DanceMania), more!
Hello Chicago-area 313 friends! Our JACKSON residency is back full force this month and we've packed a monster bill this time. Very special guests include DAEDELUS (Los Angeles), who is touring the world in support of his brand new NINJA TUNE full-length album. Also, on the double headlining bill will be DJ SLUGO (Chicago), very well known far & wide as the King of Ghetto House & Juke, as well as member of the Violator Juke Squad DJs. This is shaping to be one of our best nights ever - fun beats, dancin, boozin & good times. We can't wait and we look forward to seeing you there! The fun starts at 9PM sharp! Early advance ticket info available now at... http://chicago.going.com/jacksonseptember2008 == SAT.SEPTEMBER 20, 2008 - CHICAGO Meiotic Promotions, Approaching Serpents Promotions, Lava present JACKSON @ LAVA (monthly event series) This month's special guests: >DAEDELUS (Live PA) [Ninja Tune Records - from Los Angeles] http://www.myspace.com/daedelusdarling http://www.ninjatune.net >DJ SLUGO (DJ set) [Violator Juke Squad DJs - Wide, Seed, DanceMania labels - from Chicago] http://www.djslugomusic.com http://www.myspace.com/djslugo >ANDREW KEVINS (DJ set) [from Milwaukee] >BRAD MINER (DJ set) [illmeasures - from Chicago] >AUDIOPHILE (DJ set) [Meiotic - from Chicago] VENUE: LAVA ADDRESS: 1270 N. Milwaukee Ave., Chicago/Wicker Park, IL DETAILS: 21+, 9PM-3AM, $8 ADV TIX/$10 D.O.S. MORE INFO: http://www.meiotica.com ADV TIX: http://chicago.going.com/jacksonseptember2008 == == >DAEDELUS (Live PA) [Ninja Tune Records - from Los Angeles] http://www.myspace.com/daedelusdarling http://www.ninjatune.net DAEDELUS ON XLR8R.TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnhc649JNg DAEDELUS VIDEOS: "Fair Weather Friends" - (from the album 'Love To Make Music To') http://youtube.com/watch?v=kRJ2YvRv3N4 "Make It So" - (from the album 'Love To Make Music To') http://youtube.com/watch?v=wZd7yI8wRTQ Fresh off the cover of the September issue of XLR8R Magazine... DAEDELUS is an amazing LA-based producer/musician/DJ known for his indescribable sound that is equally eclectic, fun, danceable, heart-tugging, uplifting, dizzying and infectious. His sound borrows from the worlds of hip-hop, pop, soul, indie, rave, electro, acid, house, techno, d&b, etc - a unique sound that you just have to hear for yourself and witness live to believe it. Touring the globe in support of his brand new release, Love To Make Music To (Ninja Tune), this is Daedelus' best and most playfully accessible album yet. Critically hailed by journalists worldwide and with a fanatic fan base to boot - Daedelus is on the verge of breaking big. He has released several albums/EPs within the last two years on labels like Ninja Tune, Alpha Pup, Mush & somehow maintains a frenzied tour schedule playing in the US, EU, South America and Asia. He has been remixed by and played live with Madlib, and is in a live band with Taz from Sa-Ra (Eryka Badu producer and Kayne West henchman). Other acts he's shared the stage with include: Afrika Bambaataa, Girl Talk, Jamie Lidell, Mouse on Mars, Prefuse 73, Busdriver, Dosh, Flying Lotus, Eliot Lipp, Derek Plaslaiko, Jimmy Edgar, Holopaw, Caural and many others. Girl Talk recently praised Daedelus as one of his favorite tour partners ever. After well received Chicago performances at Wicker Park Festival and Wire Magazine's Adventures in Modern Music Festival, we are proud to welcome Daedelus back to Chicago for this very intimate Live PA experience. This will hands down be one of the most memorable & fun sets at Jackson to date. Do not miss this one! = >DJ SLUGO (DJ set) [Violator Juke Squad DJs - Wide, Seed, DanceMania labels - from Chicago] http://www.djslugomusic.com http://www.myspace.com/djslugo http://www.myspace.com/violatorjukesquaddjs http://www.officialdancemania.com http://www.myspace.com/widerecords http://www.seed-ny.com Cue the bass... Deep in the heart of the ghetto, on the mean streets of Chicago's infamous Southside, a music pioneer was born... >From the beginning, Thomas "DJ SLUGO" Kendricks was influenced by his cousin, Dj Geno, a member of a local Chicago hot mix group, and other local icons such as the Hot Mix 5 (of Chicago radio). Slugo, with 20+ years in the game, over 20 albums in his pocket and over 50 mix CDs on the street, began a journey that lead him to become one of the original creators of a style of music commonly known as Ghetto House, more recently regarded as Juke. Ghetto House, an urban dance sound created by inner-city producers from raw walks of life and derived from Old School House, is steeped with nuances from ghetto-life traditions and descriptions of the hood through rhythm. It moves beyond the just being and dives right into the metaphysical, with its rhythmic, infectious energy exciting the inner spirit and making folk return to their Motherland dance roots. The magic struck Slugo at a high school dance where he asked the DJ if he could spin a couple of tracks. Altho
(313) Derrick May last weekend?
Did anyone see Norm Talley, Shake, and Derrick May this weekend? Sadly, I slept through it all...I blame motherhood :) Denise -- Denise MM Dalphond PhD Candidate Department of Folklore & Ethnomusicology Indiana University [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
On 8 Sep 2008, at 10:18, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hmmm. Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. m
RE: (313) Mad Mike interview
Hmmm. Why no license fee waiver? Was it even an issue? Seems unlikely the ISP/website would even be anywhere near being sued for airing the tracks. Odd. -Original Message- From: J.C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:08 AM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview On 8 September 2008, Andy Mitchell wrote: > (Note that the handful of musical tracks played during the interview > have been cut out because they're too cheap to pay the licensing fee > for 'em) > Personally, I wouldn't exactly call the rate structure for internet broadcasts "cheap". But then we're no longer 313 related either. :) Thanks for the link! -- San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ: http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.)
Re: (313) Mad Mike interview
Thanks Andy, always good to hear Mike. m On 7 Sep 2008, at 22:56, Andy Mitchell wrote: Mad Mike was in New Zealand with UR's DJ Skurge last week to do some community work with at risk youth, including a lunchtime show for high school kids! Mike was interviewed on state-owned broadcaster Radio New Zealand National by Kim Hill, who's an old school Barbara Walters-kinda journalist. Plenty of good talk on Mojo, car racing etc.: http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/sat/sat-20080906-1010-Playing_Favourites_with_Mad_Mike_Banks-048.mp3 (Note that the handful of musical tracks played during the interview have been cut out because they're too cheap to pay the licensing fee for 'em)
Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup
It's an act of balancing, really. -- within this context, I don't think that things benefit from micro-loop sampling, or production decisions made with DJing in mind. DJ sets just don't seem to be the series of little trips that they used to be. maybe I'm just used to it all. - Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup Certainly, there's a way out of this so called BS. Wich compulsive knob twister is doing something creative these days, in this list opinion? On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:28 PM, /0 wrote: > its just that they've defeated the song structure through all of this > micro-DJing BS. > > 30 seconds into the set, your journey is over. > > > > - Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:23 PM > Subject: Re: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup > > > Saw him playing in my city last wednesday. His set was pretty > tasteless, flavourless. My impression was just like that: a bunch of > loops scrambled over and over, with a crescendo to make the crowd > scream from time to time. > It seems that a lot of djs, or producers, are showing up in the stage > the capabilities of digital blending, the knob thrill just for the > sake of it. Well, techno always had a thing about the process, not > focusing on a begining or an end, but this tasteless knob thrill > usually turns into a kid play, something like "i'm having fun playing > with my lego blocks, aren't you?". Well, it's not really that fun just > watch someone else playing lego, cause there's no space for you to get > in – the expression of the music was suposed to do that, bring the > people into the playing. > > Kw > > On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > >> Whilst admiring how clever he is - and I genuinely think Hawtin shows a >> profound intelligence about how he applies the new opportunities which >> these latest technologies offer - I found myself drifting. >> >> I think I can only take so much technological advancement at a time. >> >> Then I kind of withdraw, hoping to hear some actual music. Perhaps >> something which completes rather than loops over another loop or even >> four fragments looped at the same time. >> >> The day when these genuinely impressive techniques add up to something >> equally as genuinely impressive coming out of the speakers will be the >> day when many luddites just using one laptop [ha, I'm not even going to >> mention the pre-historic relics, like me, who use that black plastic >> stuff!) won't be allowed to DJ anymore due to being seen as a comedy >> act. >> >> Till then - and it could happen soon: perhaps 3 years? - I think there >> are few more gigs to come. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:39 PM >> To: 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: RE: (313) Richie Hawtin's Traktor setup >> >> >> Although i have different midi controllers it's the way i'm playing as >> well and exactly due to the same reasons. >> >> --- >> >> Interesting little video: >> >> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6n4cy_richie-hawtin-traktor-setup_musi >> c >> >> m > >
