Techno & Achitecture
Haye! Lately I've been noticing some paralels between Techno music and architecture. Since this awareness has started a while ago, I've been also noticing that there are quite a few people in electronic music who have architecture backgrounds. Are any techno related works on architecture? Or architecture-related techno works? :-) If someone wants to drop a line on the subject, I'm all ears :-) Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
313 FAQ
Haye! I know I'm gonna regret this :-) but I'll be starting an Unofficial 313 FAQ sson. Any contributions in the form of questions and/or answers are welcome, providing you e-mail me with "313 FAQ" in the subject line. Thanks. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" Counterforce - http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] metropolis
Haye! > anyone heard the Jeff Mills soundtrack to Metropolis? > d Realy good, essential Mills, if you ask me. It alternates between moody tracks and 4 on the floor classic Mills material, but a bit more mature and with more sense of pourpose, it seems to me.The whole soundtrack is very coherent even as it varies. My favourites are "Perfecture: Somewhere Around Now" - The track you'll be hearing 10 years from now. similar to "Detached", but a bit darker, more urgent and complex. "Blue Print" - Now *this* is Techno! Jeff hasn't lost it yet. It's a shame the majority of people (me included) don't have access to the cut-up version of the film. I haven't even tried to watch the original version, of Metropolis (the film) since the soundtrack clocks at around 59 minutes and the film is longer than that... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Detroit techno isn't techno?
Haye! In an interview I made with Derrick some time ago, I asked him about the influence of House in his music. Here's the answer: «L: What influence has House Music had in your music making? DM: It had an influence. The club scene in Chicago was extremely powerfull when I was young and had a great impression in my way of thinking and the way I felt about the music. It pushed me even deeper on the soulfull side. That's why I think the electronic music that I was doing was realy... personal.» Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http:://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] energy flash
Haye! > does anyone know if the transmat release of beltram's "energy flash" > (ms16) has ever been rereleased? > i'd also be interested to know on which records this track has been > released on apart from the "vol.1" and the "energy flash ep" on r&s. > > thanks for your time I have that track in R&S Classics Volume 3 too. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http:://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Benbecula
Haye! Off topic, I know, but can someone please provide me with an email address for Benbecula Records? Thanks in advance. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http:://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Dream Sequence?
Haye! > can someone post me a review on Dream Sequence album on Tresor (i think it > is Tresor 160) and also some more info on this artist, please? Well, it seems most people are not very fond of "Dream Sequence", but it's in my "quick-access" shelf... The one I have is Tresor 149, though. There are two (well, actualy, three) tracks there that stand out and make the album worth buying allmost for themselves: Ghost, Adrenalin and Dark Basse. The other tracks are a bit left behind by these. You better get yourself ready for some really old-school techno sound, this stuff *does* sound like it was made 10 years ago. It reminds me a lot of the music that was around by the time "Good Life" came out. Sometimes it looks to be a bit Chicago influenced too, simple catchy mellodies (sometimes too simple...) and pumping rhythms. It'll sound like hell to you if you're not into that kind of sound, though. Ghost's the best track for me, by far, but I don't think I'll really hear it in a club in my lifetime... :-) Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
OT track id
Haye! This one should be easy, though not 313. I've heard this track quite some years ago. Baaad bassline, some vocals in spanish wit a lot of reverb. Because all that reverb, I can't understand what the vocals say besides "conocer-me" (to know me). It gets to the point that the vocals go something like: "Why didn't you noticed me, like I've noticed you, why didn't you love me like I loved you..." (this one should be the easy part for the ID) It has some breaks that are typical of old-school chi-house (even though it may not be), and some instrumental solos too that you don't hear anymore. Somewhere out there should spot it. I apreciate it. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
OT track id
Haye! This one should be easy, though not 313. I've heard this track quite some years ago. Baaad bassline, some vocals in spanish wit a lot of reverb. Because all that reverb, I can't understand what the vocals say besides "conocer-me" (to know me). It gets to the point that the vocals go something like: "Why didn't you noticed me, like I've noticed you, why didn't you love me like I loved you..." (this one should be the easy part for the ID) It has some breaks that are typical of old-school chi-house (even though it may not be), and some instrumental solos too that you don't hear anymore. Somewhere out there should spot it. I apreciate it. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
T-1000's Last DJ on earth
Haye! Has anyone got ahold of T-1000's mix-cd "The Last DJ on Earth"? I don't know exactly why, but I've got under the impression that it was to be released only in some countries, is this true? Reviews, anyone? Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Rob Noise-Rare Interview
Haye! I should also give props to the Overload crew for the great content they usualy have. You can find a lot of good interviews and articles troughout the site, so I would suggest everyone to pay them a visit. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message - From: John Osselaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [313] Rob Noise-Rare Interview > A bit of shameless promo, but my interview with Blake Baxter also came > online together with the Rob Hood interview. There are some things in there > that might be of some interest to the people on this list. ;-) > > John out > > http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/ol2k/library/blakeb.htm
Dego at DEMF2000 track ID
Haye! Can someone please ID this track for me? It's on the second Dego set on DEMF archived in the Groovetech site, and it's this song coming in at around 16:35. I got really interested in Dego after hearing him and some friends playing at The End When I went to London. They made me dance all night even though I wasn't moving :-) Now, *THAT* has some jazz to it... Some of the best music I've heard in my life, no arguments there... Oh, and I wouldn't put them in the same boat as Jazzanova, but that's an opinion... Thanks in advance. Oh, and this is surely not the last track ID I'm gonna ask from this set :-) Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Re: Dj Murphy - Brazil's #1 techno DJ
Haye! > > > >Listen to Brazil's #1 techno DJ at: > > > >www.tvi27booking.com.br/murphy.ra > > > >He will be touring the USA and Canada on july, > >so if you like what you hear keep in touch and > >I will keep you informed about his gigs in the USA. I must add to this. I'm not brazilian but I had a few contact with brazilian DJ's some years ago, and can tell you that even though you have a strong community of Detroit-centred heads and very good DJ's, I've never heard about this one, so I *sicerely* doubt you can come around saying stuff like "Brazil's #1 techno DJ". It shows very little respect towards brazilian DJ's and the work they've been developing to post things like this in an international forum. Not only little respect but also lack of knowledge, because if you knew better you'd know that you have some of those very good brazilian DJ's right here subscribed to the 313 (are you still there, Spiceee?) and they would never lett you going around spreading (dis)information like this. Mind you, I'm not putting this DJ Murphy down or the quality of his work - I didn't even heard him whatsoever - I'm just talking about the post. That's not a nice thing to do, and it doesn't take long untill you're caught... Mais depressa se apanha um mentiroso do que um coxo... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Sueno latino
Haye! > Also, I did hear a track that Jeff Mills played over here a few weeks ago > that sounded vaguely like another remix of the Sueno Latino riff, this time > it was very electronic sounding ala Future Sound Of London - Lifeforms and > had a major breakdown and buildup in the middle section (which had a long > ambient section) Anyone have any idea what this could be? Sounds like "Sueno Plutino", by Pluto&Manuel Gottsching. It's on a double CD compilation called Highway&Landscape, by Distance. But I'd appreciate info on the original Sueno Latino. Who's the author, lalbel, etc? Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
T.Barnett?
Haye! Who is he? I just got the name, does anyone have any info on him? Interviews, reviews, etc?. Thanks. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] T.Barnett?
Haye! > I can understand the anger because of the lack of credit for mr. barnett for > creating transmat and being involved in a track like nude photo but let´s keep > things in perspectiveso let´s seperate the discussions, how important is > being credited for co-production and how much difference is there between nude > photo and may´s later work...and how does this compare to mr Barnett´s work. no > offence to mr. Barnett but let´s not make a myth out of this thing and make it a > nice quote for some coffeetable book or sumtin Well, it just seems to be some sort of a pattern, you know? Look at Cybotron's Rick Davis. Where is he now? You see a lot of the people that co-produced tracks or that had a great deal of influence disapear into obscurity. And it's a record like Nude Photo we're talking about here, one of the first records that came out that you could call Techno, so if Barnett indeed had a part in the record, then he has a part in Detroit Techno history... And if we think outside the artistic contribution, he's a co-founder of Transmat, one of the base labels of Detroit Techno's growth. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
.PT ping
Haye! Time for my anual Portuguese people ping to 313 subscribers. So, any Portuguese this year? Sorry to the rest of the world. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Oliver Ho
Haye! Can someone give me a direct email address *and* phone number for Oliver Ho? Please reply in private. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] DEMF Discussion
Haye! > Can you all please move the DEMF discussion over to the > listgeeks list? That's what it's there for. Subscribe here: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can agree with you on the volume of 313 in these last few weeks, but damn, it's suposed to be a DETROIT ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL, how off-topic can you get with that?!? This is not Global Techno or whatever other techno lists exist ou there. Here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subscribe here for 130 bpm techno music discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subscribe here for albums released with Fuscia covers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Subscribe here for discussion of tracks that are 5 to 6 minutes long [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com - Subscribe here for discussion on promo records in green vinyl that spin from the inside out, but only those that were limited to 15 copies or less. I just don't see the need to take DEMF discussion from the 313. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Paranoia of "them" taking over (was: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEPDOWN)
Haye! > By at least _then_ we'll have to do what we did during the Sony-episode: > to stand up for our rights. "Our rights" are now being distributed by Universal. Bitterly yours, Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce (don't follow the damn link, the site's all wrecked up right now) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] the real story on carl craig & the demf
Haye! > -and doesn't it seem funny that last year they were happy to have carl > heavily involved in the festival (which gave credibility to the event), but > now something like paperwork is enough to get rid of him? That's the point. The DEMF started with an aura of a "True School" event, having Carl in a position to choose great talent, and we knew he would do just that. Seriously, didn't anybody tought it was too good to be true? I honestly have to admit that the idea crossed my mind... I remember reading someone writing that this (the DEMF), in Detroit, was virtually a miracle... The way things are going are not in the direction of the Sasha Van Oakenweed takeover of the festival. That won't do it, the appeal that big time sponsors are looking for is the image of the DEMF, the image of an artform that has not been corrupted, the image *THEY* know people want to see, cause like it or not, alternative sells and everybody likes to think of themselves as unique (well, not`*EVERY*body). And these are people with money to spend. The first DEMF was created with an image of realness, even had Carl's image to give it credibility. And it's credible enough to get the 313 list talking about it all year round... So, what now? Now we have a commitee... but this one's not Underground. And that's bad... Let's see those sponsors next year. And let's see that commitee, too... They're just gonna milk it while they can. Face it, people. Enjoy it while it lasts. > this has nothing to do with artist contracts or carl's competency or work > ethic. it has to do with a corporation tarnishing a man's reputation in > order to have total control over an event that will make them money. and > that is what's going on. period. That is what's going on. Period. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] End to End 001 and 002
Haye! a bit late on this one, but here's the translation for the reviews I wrote on Mike Grant's End to End first two releases. I got a couple of promos a few days ago from Mike Grant's End to End Records. Grant, who has ben a while ago here in Portugal has gained some notoriety not only as a producer of fine Detroit sound but also because of his House label Moods&Grooves, that has brought us quality House from a series of well known producers, and has been able to keep a regular release schedule, which makes it one of the most trustable and homogeneous labels of the moment. Mike Grant's new label is called End to End and is completely directed towards Techno. These two 12"s are strong releases that promise a good future to the Detroit-based label. Here are the reviews of the first two releases. * Black Noise - Step Into The Darkness (EE-001) Escrito e produzido por Mike Grant e Therapy Lançamento - 2 de Abril de 2001 "Young Gifted and Black" starts with the title which is complemented with the social consciousness speech that starts the song. A speech that seems to be sampled from a movie talks about the consciousness of young black people and will predictably be used a lot by DJ's in intros and pauses. Next, a strong game of percussion takes place, which goes on for almost the entire track, bringing back to memory some songs on the first Depth Charge compilation on Submerge. Complementary to the rhytmic line there comes a synth melody that revolves around itself and morphs into what seems to be a definition os a space. Very good track. "Smoke & Mirrors" is completely based in a predictable minimal rhythm with congas, claps and a very funky bass, tipical Detroit. On top of the rhythm base a fast synht line with peaks and breaks develops, acompanied by the percussion that show bursts of energy and funk from time to time. It's a track that wouldn't look bad on a Stacey Pullen DJ set in a day that he wakes up a bit more Techno. Dancefloor designed. Next track, the 'Cut Up' version of this song, is less funky, but it has its potential in a DJ set's peak time. Harder and more repetitive, perhaps even more confusing and banging, this version leaves a bit of the funk behind and focuses on the strenght of the track. * Scan 7 - Home Soil EP (EE-002) Escrito e produzido por Scan 7 Lançamento - 30 de Abril de 2001 "How 'Bout Me" starts with a running synth bass that evolves to a repetitive rhythm with congas and industrial claps filled with some metalic echo. The simplified melody is brought by some nervous synth stabs. Ocasionaly, busrts a sample that could have been taken from a game-show, in which a black voice shouths "How 'Bout Me". When the song becomes predictable, the sample alternates to a chaotic a desperating "I'm not big enough for ya!" repeated several times. Good track, though it's predictable that it can gain a greater amplitude in the mix. First track on side B is called "Evasive Maneuvers". Again, starting with a synth bass, this time a la Purpose Maker, quickly present us with the repetitive and minimal melody of a synth that has the feeling and warmth of a Moog. At this time the track is consistent and really funky, extremely sensual and pretty misterious, with some synth processed congas. "Chosen Solitude" closes this EP, and is the most Detroit-styled from the EP. A Techno/House number, it's based on a simple stripped down rhythm, which seems to enhace the intricate melodic construction of the song. Layers of synths periodicaly opose each other to create a filigrane of warm sounds. It is the least dancefloor oriented of the three, but doubtlessly the most musical of them all. My favorite track on the EP. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Carl Craig Schedule
Haye! Does anyone know where I can find a schedule for performances of Carl Craig (and his other projects)? Pre-thanks! Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] UK 3Day Free Techno Fest
Haye! > Free Party´s, raving a field, travellers and Spiral Tribe (where have they > gone) > does it still excist?? They were in Portugal a couple of years ago, but they had too much trouble with drugs and stuff - not that they made anything to keep them hidden too... Nevertheless, you could only hear hardcore at those parties. Interesting, if you could stand the music... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Paxahau on Carol Marvin
Haye! > but this is Detroit, and this is electronic music There you go. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] On Carl and Action
Haye! > Maybe I'm totally under a rock here, but did something happen with Carl Craig and the DEMF? > Steve We haven't been talking about anything else. These links should enlighten you. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm http://www.mtv.com/sendme2.tin?page=/news/articles/1443707/20010514/story.jh tml Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] On Carl and Action
Haye! Sorry, that one was suposed to be private It just sounds really rude in public... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message ----- From: Counterforce - Lay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [313] On Carl and Action > > Haye! > > > Maybe I'm totally under a rock here, but did something happen with Carl > Craig and the DEMF? > > Steve > > We haven't been talking about anything else. These links should enlighten > you. > > http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm > http://www.mtv.com/sendme2.tin?page=/news/articles/1443707/20010514/story.jh > tml > > > Lay > "Unconditional Empowerment" > http://barkingcat.org/counterforce > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Davy Jones Locker
Haye! > Isn't this a good metphor for house vs. techno? Detroit > house is deep underground, Detroit techno is deep > underwater? I'm feeling rather like a cross between Jack > Nicholson in One Flew Over th Cuckoos Nest and Jack > Nicholson in The Shining at the moment, so forgive me if > this makes no sense. Just a thought. "Davey Jones Locker", by meaning bottom of the sea as final rest for people who find their last home in the sea goes towards all the Drexciyan mithology. Drexciya define a whole topology under water the same way that topology is defined in outer space by UR/Red Planet. It is part of the same tendency of *ANY* culture to create a superior existence, either it be "Zion" for Rastafarianism, "Africa" for the descendants of the Black Atlantic, "Aztlan" (get it?) for Aztecs, or "Heaven" for judaism/christianism, somewaht the same as a spatial Nirvana. Drexciya simply present themselves as an aquatic assault unit, invisible like UR - Space is the Palce, but not necessarily "Space". Being underwater is the same as being in outer space, detachment from a culture that considers them aliens, mutant electrofreaks living in an aquatic distopia, reflecting complete alienation from "traditional" instruments, pure mutant electronics at the time where the human stops using the machine to simulate traditional sounds but synthethises mutations by him/itself. Detachment is the word for Drexciya. someone may remember an interview by someone (90% sure it was Banks') that said that the Drexciya guys were stopped from entering a club that was playing their music. How alienated can you go? If someone finds that text, I'd appreciate a copy of it. Can't realy remember Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] mayday festival
Haye! Sorry, old one, but I'm catching up... > "Last year, Sony Records Germany made the mistake of trying to get round > this by releasing a note-for-note cover version of the UR track Jaguar by DJ > Rolando. Banks heard about it, caught the first plane to Germany, armed > himself, sought out the man proposing the release and told him that he would > kill him and everyone else involved if the version went ahead. Mills, who > did a remix of Jaguar, is not talking to the press." Can someone please provide me with the contact info for the author of this article, or cotact info for "The Guardian"? "Kill him"... Jesus christ... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Davy Jones Locker
Haye! > >> i think its probably more relevant to the drexcyia mythology and the > >> drexcyians being sea-bottom dwelling descendants of africans who were thrown > >> overboard from slave ships en route to the colonies > >> > > Jamil Ali wrote: > > > > Where'd you find out about that? Sounds interesting. Can you give us a > > link or something? The inner sleeve notes in Drexciya's "The Quest" comp has something about this. It talks exactly about slaves being thrown overboard and how mutation of human beings into amphibian beings should be possible. > note 30. 'Slaves certainly were thrown overboard on the approach of patrol > vessels In approach of partols and also because of being sick... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] websites with dj sets -recommendations please!! :)
Haye! I'd advise you to check out the mixes at http://www.frequencydetroit.com http://www.vocode.com http://www.adapteri.com/betoni Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] obey
Haye! > who is behind all they "obey" posters that have been popping up everywhere > as of late? Where did you find the glasses?!? Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Best post ever
Haye! I'd say, Mike Banks' message to 313 was most definitly the best and most important post you had here. It was enlightening, educative and passionate. I second most of the opinions on this topic of relevant posts, but I couldn't let go unnoticed the clear insight contributions of Laura Gavoor. Truly reflexive posts. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DEMF Webcast - Groovetech vs Ford
Haye! > i do agree with your points, but on the other hand, it might make some of > those spoiled by webcasts to actually come out, pay the cover charge, and > listen to these hardworking dj's live? :) Yeah, you're right, everibody's got loads of money to catch a plane every weekend to go and hear some good techno for a change, plus acomodation plus etc plus etc. Phuck webcasts, after all they're just ways of promoting underground music and reaching audiences that you never tought possible. It's way much better go and feed clubland. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] mike grant
And DJ'ing while in the military Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce > He was in the military. > > // giles > > Rob Theakston wrote: > > > i'm surprised no one has mentioned this, but i thought one of the coolest > > things AT the festival itself was Mike Grant's salute to all the veterans on > > Memorial Day. i thought it was a very classy move by one of the kindest guys > > on the scene. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DJ obsessions
Haye! > >Probably something similar to Derrick May's obsession with "French >Kiss" > >by Lil' Louis. > > Oh, he has an obsession for that? He should make a RMX of it, that would be > something:) What else he plays to death? I allways heard him play "Beyond The Dance", I consider it to be the climax of his set. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Delete if your name is not Carlos Teixeira
Haye! Carlos Teixeira from Spain, are you out there? Been trying to write to you, but I seem to have a useless email address. Please drop me a line. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] EE-003 Review
Haye! Here is a review for Mike Grant's End 2 End label 3rd release, "The Journey", by Tony Drake. -- Lay "Either fdisk or weakly-typed languages will bring us Armageddon" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce EE-003 - Tony Jackson - The Journey A1. Melodic A2. The Journey B1. Driver B2. Chi-town / The D A1. Melodic First time I listened to this one, it was a surprise to my ear. «Funny», «ackward», «strange», are adjectives that come to mind. Don't get me wrong, this track is very good, partly because of that same strangeness: you get a minimal hihat / kickdrum fast base in wich this hi-pitched organ is playing a repetitive and fast mellody. This fast organ has this nervous feeling, that constrasts with the background synth, that feels like a Moog changing back and forth in two notes, one note every bar. Really adds some warmth to the sound and works mainly with tha hi-pitched organ. I took about 15 to 20 seconds to get used and get into this sound, but when you do you can enjoy a very nice interplay between these few elements. Every once in a while the hihats hit a bit faster making your ear wanting to peek ahead in anticipation. Periodicaly, the melodic elements change their tone and come back to their original form after a while. All and all, a good track, specialy for people who are into more stripped down fast techno that's not banging stuff. In spite of being fast, it's still a warm and calm Techno track. A2. The Journey This one will be sweet for people who are into the classic Detroit sound. This song sometimes reminds you of some of Kenny Larkin's work: warm floating synths , soft cymbals from time to time and machine sounds here and there that contrast with the organic feeling of the whole sound. soft percussion and some harsher sounds once in a while complete the whole picture making this track a whole. Beautifull song, with a remarkable composition, it seems Jackson acheived here what is becoming more and more rare in Techno nowadays, the "song" concept instead of the "track". This is some well structured stuff and to be appreciated by listeners with some background in Techno. I usualy dislike the "journey" metaphor for songs, but while searching for adjectives or nouns to describe this song, I realy could not escape the "journey" word, because this song really has some sort of temporal feeling to it, without going into the "song stage" thing you see sometimes. In short, a good quality mental track to be enjoyed like one enjoys a 15 year old scotch. B1. Driver On side B we are presented with a couple of banging-styled tracks. The first one is definitly my favourite, and it's a night-peak track. It starts straight up 4/4 pumping Techno with an appealing metalic clang that goes on troughout the whole track and takes the proeminence of the sound. The background is pretty complex, with a heavy bass and advent styled cymbals composing into a very urgent and tense whole. The drums very often go trough a stop at the end of each bar, giving it that circular feeling. I can surely bet that peopl who get this track are going to take their next gig just to play this one off. I know I'd love to hear it in a loud system by now. The track goes troughout with a very nice game of alternations between elements, but make no question about it: this is loop-style Techno, almost circular at times. One thing that could be better about this track: its duration. Even though the vast majority of loop-based techno tracks are played for just 2 or 3 minutes, the richness of elements, detail and interactionbetween instruments makes this track some really solid stuff that doesn't make your ear go tired after those said 2 or 3 minutes. So you're gonna end up wishing you had more on this banquet. Well, nothing that can't be fixed with two copies and some skills. You should better have a pretty nice record to play after this one. B2. Chi-town / The D Just like the former, this one goes straight to the subject: it gives you the whole outline of the track at the beginnig. A classic pumping Techno track that resembles the Mills stuff sometimes. Basic elements such as drums, cymbals and bass kick in at the same time, but there are important subtelties even in the beginning that are important to the track further down the line, mainly some very low-volume snaredrums that seem somewhat like shakers at this time. If at the beginning - and up to a certain point, trughout the whole track - the congas are the center of the composition that give you the funky message, you don't stop hearing those snares trying to get ahold of the track from time to time. Nice game. >>From about half the track onwards it seems that Tony Jackson has made a bit >>of the DJ's homework here. In spite of the possibility of some DJ buyers not >>like the fact that the track is "pre-worken-out", this sounds really good: a >>period with all the elements; then another one with the proeminen
[313] Re [313] EE-003 Review]
Haye! |i suppose it's *not* tony drake ?!? |but, speaking of tony drake.. |does anyone know where i still can get |texture, no matter if on cd or wax... |thanks for any help.. |niko | |At 05:55 04.01.02 +, you wrote: |> |>Haye! |> |>Here is a review for Mike Grant's End 2 End label 3rd release, "The |Journey", by Tony Drake. Sorry for my mess up, it's obviously not Tony Drake but Tony Jackson. Waking up at 5:30 AM can make these things to you... :-)) -- Lay "Either fdisk or weakly-typed languages will bring us Armageddon" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) brinkmann
Haye! > > Anyone know where where I can find out more about Brinkman or the Ernst > > label? Seems like this guy has some pretty creative ideas. > > There's http://home.snafu.de/circonium/music/max.html and > http://home.snafu.de/circonium/music/ernst.html from Circonium and of > course the official site -> http://www.max-ernst.de/ The official site has a couple of MP3 tracks for download. I've only heard one, and it's quite good. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Giles Peterson
Haye! Does anyone has any info on Giles Peterson? What's his style, releases, interviews, email addy, other stuff, whatever you know is appreciated. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: (313) adam beyer in detroit
Haye! > Too bad Motor doesn't bring in > people like Beyer for their residency's rather than DJs such as Dave Ralph > and Stacy Pullen. *** No, too bad I don't get to see Stacey more often here in Europe. The diference between Stacey and Beyer is that you get to dance with your hips, not with your fists... *** Stacey will get you dancing all night long, and your body won't be sored cause it's not suposed to feel like that heavy metal show you were talking about. I have a (somewhat old) interview with Stacey at the Counterforce site (http://barkingcat.org/counterforce) where Stacey refered to the music in the days of the "rave peak" as "rock'n'roll with a house beat". *** My opinion is that we're talking two completely different leagues here when we try to match Beyer and Stacey in a scale. Stacey funks the crowd and is a Class-A DJ who knows his *music*, he is a top Detroit DJ and producer who deserves every credit he gets. I like my harder techno too, but give me Stacey Pullen everyday over Adam Beyer. Not dissing Beyer here, but there is simply no possible comparison. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Planet E newsletter
Haye! Does anyone know if Planet E has an e-mail newsletter? How can I subscribe to it? Thanx in advance. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: (313) Online petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/plur/p etition.html
Haye! > About this underage thing, over the years I have noticed that an alarming > number of currently influential and big-name DJs and producers were > attending parties and clubs at a very early age! Mills says he started going > to parties at 10/11/12 and that's how he learnt how to understand the > dynamics of crowds and music. Others snuck into clubs. > > The real issue is the police brutality surely? *** Well, actualy, that's quite true. A lot, and I mean A *LOT* of people that are into the music today started to attend parties (well, maybe not in the same format) and clubs at a very early age. And that's natural, people in general tend to get into music between their 13's-17's. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: (313) Online petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/plur/p etition.html
Haye! > About this underage thing, over the years I have noticed that an alarming > number of currently influential and big-name DJs and producers were > attending parties and clubs at a very early age! Mills says he started going > to parties at 10/11/12 and that's how he learnt how to understand the > dynamics of crowds and music. Others snuck into clubs. > > The real issue is the police brutality surely? *** Well, actualy, that's quite true. A lot, and I mean A *LOT* of people that are into the music today started to attend parties (well, maybe not in the same format) and clubs at a very early age. And that's natural, people in general tend to get into music between their 13's-17's. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: (313) Online petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/plur/p etition.html
Haye! > About this underage thing, over the years I have noticed that an alarming > number of currently influential and big-name DJs and producers were > attending parties and clubs at a very early age! Mills says he started going > to parties at 10/11/12 and that's how he learnt how to understand the > dynamics of crowds and music. Others snuck into clubs. > > The real issue is the police brutality surely? *** Well, actualy, that's quite true. A lot, and I mean A *LOT* of people that are into the music today started to attend parties (well, maybe not in the same format) and clubs at a very early age. And that's natural, people in general tend to get into music between their 13's-17's. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Lost e-mail
Haye! *** Sorry for the crosspost, but I had this disaster in my inbox. The power failled while I was reading e-mail, as a result I lost all messages in my inbox. *** If anybody emailed me in the last seven days or so, would they be so kind that they could resend their messages? I lost some important info from last week. And if there's an expert on recovering e-mail with outlook express amongst you, iI'd appreciate some help. Thanks and once again sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] The Advent
Haye! *** I have some info at the Counterforce site and an article by me on the Sony/BMG case. You can check it out at http://barkingcat.org/counterforce. The article speaks exactly in the way that a precedent that is being open by this case can affect the independent record industry. We're working on that English version of the site that is still outdated, please be patient with us :-) I'd appreciate any info on the UR case with Sony/BMG, like interviews, opinions, points of view, sites, information centers, etc. *** On that other note, when and where is Cisco living in Portugal? Didn't he said why or what he plans to do now? There's also an interview with the Advent guys at the Counterforce site, address above. Cisco and Colin gave me the best live show I have ever seen in my life on electronic music. Now *that* was a workout :-) Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message - From: Ben Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: [313] The Advent > Was speaking to Cisco/The Advent a few days ago and he seems to be majorly > hyped about his future work. Cool guy, and still can enter the darkside even > though he couldn't resist the urge to speak about his two children. He's > moving to Portugal next year. > He gave major props to a few producers - Umek, Oliver Ho, Gaetano Parisio > and Marco Carola. He particularly likes the mental Italian style - the > darker, harder edge. > He dissed trance and wouldn't speak about it ruining the UK's music scene > because "it's too fucking depressing"!!! :) Amen. > > Also, I am currently researching an article on the whole UR/Sony fiasco and > would appreciate any comments anyone on this list would have. > I've gotten comments from a variety of people - including Dirk Dreyer (if > anyone wishes to see what he wrote back to me I am happy to pass them on) > and many Australian based and international producers, writers and DJ's. > Although some people have made the comment the issue is over I don't believe > it is. The point isn't that Sony screwed UR, it is the precedent it will set > for techno in the future and the way the major companies work when they > can't have what they want. Besides, Knights of the jaguar would never have > "shifted major units" if put out by a major. It's not dumb, obvious or over > the top! > Peas. > > Ben > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] interstellar fugitives
Haye! > The CD seems to have more suggestive track titles as well (dollis hill, zero > is my country), So I was wondering if this album had a wavejumpers-style > concept behind it. *** "Zero is my Country" seems to be about the Z-gene that leads to Negative Evolution. Z is short for Zero in the ISF notes inside the cover. *** Your explanation about the Maroons fits right into those notes. *** But this album is full of simbolisms. Zero is My Country starts like a space trip, hence "Interstellar Fugitives". Then you have "Afrogermanic" standing for the Detroit-Berlin connection and you get to hear a plane taking off (simbolizing the trip from Detroit to Berlin). A bit more ahead in the track you hear something like "Only U.R. knows" in a very distorted voice. *** In "Mi Raza", what does the vocal say? I can only figure out something like "Que passa la casa" or maybe "Que passa la raza?". Does anyone know? *** This seems like the works that Mike would do, full of hidden things and everything with it meaning. I *ADORE* this album inside and out, and I'd be willing to have a discution with anyone who wants to talk about these symbols in UR's ISF. Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] industrial
Haye! > Headhunter still rocks..so does Masterhit.. > > Martijn (who's going to play a lot of Front 242 when he get's home) *** I used to hear to some industrial myself, and some pop stuff that had some of the same edge, like Nitzer-Ebb and similar, but the one that realy does it for me is Front 242's "Headhunter". I didn't knew Front 242 at the time, but for you guys to get an idea I used to like Nitzer-Ebbs "That Total Age" by the time everybody listened to Snap's "Don't believe the hype" (yep, that's just the the song you're thinking about) *** It allways felt to me that it had a sense of constant pursual of power and manifestation of strength. Which seems to have had a direct influence in the Techno that came after UR's appearance. *** "One: you lock the target..." Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Giles Peterson
Haye! *** I'm going to see Giles Peterson tonight. Is it worth it? What should I expect from his DJ'ing selection and skills? I saw some playlists from his show, and he ssure seems to have a broad selection... Lay "Um Império Tecnológico consolidado pela Necessidade" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] industrial
Haye! > forgive my bubbliness this morning, but the discussion of techno & industrial really get me going! > > Let us knot forget thee influence ov Psycick T.V. and Fred Gianelli, they really had the techno/house/industrial crossover thing going on for a long time. > > I've been listening to a loth of the PTV acid house material lately, quite tasty! *** Ain't Psycick T.V. the act of Genesis P. Orridge, founder of Throbbing Gristle? Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop and Astrelwerks
Haye! > I don't see how anybody, fan or producer, can come into techno via hip-hop. > Except for Shake. Techno, at least Detroit Techno, is the antithesis of > hip-hop to me, Ghettotech notwithstanding =\ *** Rolando? Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] industrial vs. hip hop
Haye! > a conversation that started between dave "the wave" dresden and i @ wmc this > year centered around how people got into the scene, and i started an > informal poll while i was down there. ratio? about 60% industrial, 40% > hip hop. > > and one - neither. neither? his answer - heavy metal. hmmm > > but those 2 avenues do seem to be the way that just about everyone got into > the scene. > > any other neithers? > > me? hey, i can goth dance with the best of 'em... the "screwing in the > light bulb"... the "killing the cockroach"... and of course the "oh no the > sun". *** Well, I used to listen to some heavy metal and rock'n'roll, Iron Maiden, Helloween, Gun's 'n' Roses, Carcass, Napalm Death, but I was young and naive. Then I jumped directly to Acid House from one day to another, I used to listen to a tape that was called Super Acid Mix - yeah, I know, but it was nice back then :-) And it eventualy took me to Detroit stuff. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] demf-stream problems
Haye! > i just went crazy last night during stacey pullen's set. can't wait for the > archives. *** Does anyone know if the archives are going to be in RA or MP3? some MP3 stuff would be nice... Who's taking care of this? Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Rob Hood
Haye! *** Does anyone have a contact number for Rob Hood - or his management? *** Thank in advance. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] demf stuf
Haye! > Where are the pictures? I wanna see! > > Cheers http://www.reverbmag.com/pix/demf00.jpg http://ww.reverbmag.com/pix/demf01.jpg Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] DEMF
Haye! > just a quick questionare the sets from DEMF going to be archived in an > audio format so that i can download them off the internet? and if so, when. > i am really desperate to hear some of the shit that went down. thanks. > jeff *** Yes, taking the chance, if there's someone here that recorded the sets, it would be much better if they would be downloadable instead of a stream... Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] DEMF suggestions for next year
Haye! > and another new female group Black Electric. *** Any connection with this group and UR? See: Suburban Knight on ISF - "Maroon": «I am Strong Electric, Black Electric, Strong Electric, Post Gloria» *** ... or at least that's what I hear in the song... Is this just a coincidence? Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] the OT on and on...
Haye! > Most of us are subbed to this list to read about 313-techno. > Some of us pay for web access. > Some of us have difficulty accessing the web. > > I honestly don't mind a few off-topic posts here and there... in fact it can > be interesting. But, I don't need a mail box full of posts about the > technical merits of drum machines, subjective analysis of Detroit > 'politics', and tit-for-tat posts about musical taste. > > C'mon guys... please try and keep it constructuve and on-topic. *** I agree with Askew on most of his post, so here are some pointers to people who also like discussing other things. Your contributions will be much more appreciated here and you can get more focused help on any question: *** x0x Mailing List - 909, 808, 707, machines like that - [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Live Performing Artists - Name says it all - [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** And there are also other mailing lists, such as Analog Heaven, Digital Hell, etc. Just go to Hyperreal's main page and find out about them. *** Askew, you just *gotta* have some Detroit politics in this list, which eventualy becomes subjective, no?... :-) But I do know what you mean, the 70+ messages a day that the list delivers can't be read in 10min time... Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Poetic DEMF (Previous v Present)
Haye! *** If he is who I think he is, I have to back that up. I'm thinking he's the one who featured in a track called "This is Madness" at a hip-hop/jazz compilation called "Red, Hot+Cool". Words of wisdom... Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message - From: Cornelius Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [313] Poetic DEMF (Previous v Present) > Umar Bin Hassan of the Last Poets. Hardcore history, folks, check them out. > > > >From: "Roberto Ty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <313@hyperreal.org>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [313] Previous v Present turnouts in Detroit > >Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:12:15 -0400 > > > >I'm not exactly sure what the gentleman's name is (so I won't make a > >halfways attempt), but he read a couple of his poems with conga > >accompaniment (not sure about the musician's name either, but the conga guy > >was on various stages with people like Stacey Hale and Derrick May) on > >Monday. He also did a reading during May's set with a thumping beat rolling > >in the background. Pretty interesting if you were paying attention. I'm not > >sure the crowd necessarily was into it, but I definitely paid attention to > >the message. One poem was about "Niggers Afraid Revolution" or something > >like that. Reminiscent of Beat poetry. > > > >Anyone have more details on this? He seemed to be well respected by > >Derrick, Carl, and others, calling him the "last true poet." I'll try and > >find out more. > > > > >>> "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 06/02/00 10:33 AM >>> > >like a > > >soulful James Brown song during May's set or how about Curtis Mayfield on > > >Deason's set, and not to mention the congas and poetry reading. All good. > > > >Whoa. Poetry reading? Who had that? Over a DJ set?? > > > >Please tell! > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
DEMF Reports
Haye! *** A sincere thank you to all the guys that had the chance to go to DEMF for sharing with us the moments you spent there. It sent chills up my spine reading all those reports describing all the sensations, seeing the pictures you toughtfully put online, now I'm working on hearing the audio (this connection's way too slow for streaming :-( ) It was definitly the next best thing from being there. *** I guess I'll be joining that large "we'll-catch-it-next-year" team. I only left this country twice, the first one to see UR in London, the second for going to the land of my parents. I truly hope that next year I have the chance (read: money) to be at that side, feeling Detroit, meeting the other list members, writing the reports and taking the pictures. *** Well, I'll try to heal the wounds with Sonar right here by my side... :-) *** Thank you, guys and gals. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
DEMF pictures
Haye! *** Does anyone have any DEMF pictures they could allow me to publish in a small site? It's called Counterforce and it's only devoted to Underground Techno. It's a small thing, but it has some interesting interviews and articles in portuguese (very few in english) - address in the sig. I'd like to make a small section on the DEMF, and it would be nice to include your pictures in it. You'd be credited, of course. So, can anyone provide me with some images? Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Rob Hood in Pacha - Portugal - 03/06/2K
Haye! *** If you're not wiling to read a lot of personal useless opinions and a lot of digressing, please hit delete now. *** Since you decided to read, I must say we don't often get food Detroit DJ's around here. as a matter of fact, it was a long time I didn't had the chance to hear one, and today I was going to listen to Rob Hood, one of the DJ's I allways wanted to hear spin. This was on Saturday. I had a long trip ahead of me. 15min train + 30min boat + 3.5h bus +1h train + 20 min (of a realy expensive) cab. Well, with all the waiting times between all the transportations and with small stops for relaxing, I had arived to the club about 10 hours after I had left home. Gotta get some money to buy myself a car, one of these days. I don't think I have the energy I had 3 or 4 years ago... Well, all'n'all it was OK, I had gotten to the club and got in. This was a good place, realy big club, you could feel at ease. Good air conditioning, lots of relaxing spaces, a garden, realy cool. The line-up included Portuguese DJ's Jiggy, Ze-Mig-L, Luis XL Garcia and his brother Wla Garcia (I think there was some mention about him in the list about the EP he released that was remixed by The Advent's Cisco Ferreira), and Detroiter Rob Hood. The flier stated something like "Rob Hood - M-Plant, Underground Resistence". I hate it when they misspell things at fliers. Fliers should be subject to proofread. I think Ben Sims was suposed to play at the techno room too. Wla was the first DJ to play. The Techno room was accessed through a small corridor, and it was this heavy vibe. Wla was playing some hard techno, but had some faults. I'm no DJ, so I don't know what are the technical aspects to it, but it seemed that he had some very basic faults in his DJ'ing at that time. Things started to get better by the time he dropped that record with the Nitzer-Ebb vocal on it (anyone knows what record am I talking about?). From then on he got better crowd response, up to the point of almost filling the room. The room seemed to have a 4/500 capacity, but I'm a little dumb at measuring things. The house room was WAY bigger. By the time Wla ended his set, Rob had arived with his wife Eunice. Rob started with an introduction from Internal Empire, realy good way to start. The lights guy could have done better, though. From then on he proceeded to present some hard techno but not sterile in funk. I mean, it had these hard beats allright, but you wouldn't dance to the beat, you'd dance to the BASS. Good, there was this section of his set where he played these older tunes, including 2 or 3 Derrick May tracks. The rest of his set was a tight mix with good tricks, there was also a part when he played mostly UR styled techno. I must say that by the ending time it was too hard for me. I wasn't expecting this type of music from Rob. I don't know if I should
Rob Hood continued (Oops...)
Damned SEND button... Here's the full report. Haye! *** If you're not wiling to read a lot of personal useless opinions and a lot of digressing, please hit delete now. *** Since you decided to read, I must say we don't often get food Detroit DJ's around here. as a matter of fact, it was a long time I didn't had the chance to hear one, and today I was going to listen to Rob Hood, one of the DJ's I allways wanted to hear spin. This was on Saturday. I had a long trip ahead of me. 15min train + 30min boat + 3.5h bus +1h train + 20 min (of a realy expensive) cab. Well, with all the waiting times between all the transportations and with small stops for relaxing, I had arived to the club about 10 hours after I had left home. Gotta get some money to buy myself a car, one of these days. I don't think I have the energy I had 3 or 4 years ago... Well, all'n'all it was OK, I had gotten to the club and got in. This was a good place, realy big club, you could feel at ease. Good air conditioning, lots of relaxing spaces, a garden, realy cool. The line-up included Portuguese DJ's Jiggy, Ze-Mig-L, Luis XL Garcia and his brother Wla Garcia (I think there was some mention about him in the list about the EP he released that was remixed by The Advent's Cisco Ferreira), and Detroiter Rob Hood. The flier stated something like "Rob Hood - M-Plant, Underground Resistence". I hate it when they misspell things at fliers. Fliers should be subject to proofread. I think Ben Sims was suposed to play at the techno room too. Wla was the first DJ to play. The Techno room was accessed through a small corridor, and it was this heavy vibe. Wla was playing some hard techno, but had some faults. I'm no DJ, so I don't know what are the technical aspects to it, but it seemed that he had some very basic faults in his DJ'ing at that time. Things started to get better by the time he dropped that record with the Nitzer-Ebb vocal on it (anyone knows what record am I talking about?). From then on he got better crowd response, up to the point of almost filling the room. The room seemed to have a 4/500 capacity, but I'm a little dumb at measuring things. The house room was WAY bigger. By the time Wla ended his set, Rob had arived with his wife Eunice. Rob started with an introduction from Internal Empire, realy good way to start. The lights guy could have done better, though. From then on he proceeded to present some hard techno but not sterile in funk. I mean, it had these hard beats allright, but you wouldn't dance to the beat, you'd dance to the BASS. Good, there was this section of his set where he played these older tunes, including 2 or 3 Derrick May tracks. The rest of his set was a tight mix with good tricks, there was also a part when he played mostly UR styled techno. I must say that by the ending time it was too hard for me. I wasn't expecting this type of music from Rob. I don't know if I should have, but I was expecting A LOT more of the minimal loops stuff, some bad wicked loops, but somehow it didn't happen in 4 or 5 songs, not more than that. It was pretty OK, though. Rob is a very good DJ. I got to meet him and Eunice after his set (Thanks for the info, Mark Taylor, realy usefull. Do you know if they have an e-mail address at M-Plant?), and Rob seemed to be a genuinely nice guy, not like the fake-ass-smiling-to-anyone kind of person. It seems to me all the Detroit guys that I have ever met - no exception - are pretty decent guys. Kevin, Derrick, Stacey, Mike Grant, Banks,Pennington, all of them seem to be good people. Well, I can't realy say the same thing about Jeff Mill, since he's so inaccesible. The security guards around Rob made a realy ugly spectacle. There was this kid trying to get to Rob to greet him that was almost getting his head smacked by this security guy, but I guess those are the kind of guys that were bullied at school. It's nor Rob's fault, but there are most definitly differences in attitude. I remember seeing Derrick for two times, and in both of them he was walking through the party, going to the dancefloor, absolutely no security guys around him. You could walk up to him and have a decent chat. I can't see that happening for instance with Mills. By this time I was allmost leaving. They had closed the water at the club and turned down the air conditioned, in a way that sweat was pouring from the walls. Moreover, Portuguese DJ Jiggy was playing now at 7:00 AM, and I wasn't quite in the mood for listening to heavy metal. *** When I left, the House floor was FULL, but REALY FULL! They had DJ Mushroom and Rob Rob from Massive Attack as main attractions, but by the time I left it was Portuguese Luis Leite playing. Sweet house music, but I had just made 24hrs no sleep with all that traveling. Oh, yeah, the tickets were around 17 euros. I got home around 17:30. It was well worth it. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Rolando PT?!?
Haye! *** Does anyone know of any info on UR's Rolando comming here to Portugal? I find it odd that I didn't knew about it, since all I heard was a rumour at Saturday when I went to see Rob Hood. *** Any info on this is greatly appreciated. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Previous v Present turnouts in Detroit
Haye! > I'm certain that Derrick May didn't became didn't become to > be known because of his DJ skills. The lines between musical > artist and DJ once again become blurred. *** I'm sure too, I agree with you. But he is one hell of a DJ, if you ask me... Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Very OT: Warning - Lost all my stuff
Haye! *** Sorry for posting this to the whole list, but It'll have to be. *** Yesterday I lost all information in one of my hard disks, which means I lost all contact informatin on people. I had some things going on with people here in 313, so I'll ask them to get in touch with me since I don't have their addresses anymore. Sorry for the hassle, but I realy can't retrieve the contact info: 1. I had asked some people some time ago to translate their testemonies on the DEMF and post them at my site. Can these people get in contact with me? 2. Nick (sorry for the misspell), I was trading CD's with you, can you re-send me that last message you sent? I read it, but didn't reply. I also need your address. 3. I also asked people on photos of the DEMF. I didn't even had the cance to reply to them, which seems like I wasn't interested. Can you please get in touch with me? I realy need these people to get in touch with me, since I have no way to contact them. Well, I think that's about it for now, I'll try to get on with my life without data :-)) Once again, sorry for this post. Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] the appeals of repetition...
Haye! > I am presently working on some psych-socio theory on repetition in music and > why its an attractor to some, and an utter bore to others. I was wondering > if there is already some theory, be it music theory and/or psycho-social > theory, in which asks and solves this question... > > What I am avoiding is the usual answer of "its in your heart...", ect. I > feel that there is a more concrete explination to this appeal, we as > arttists tend to be dramatic and vague, i wish to define... > > I wont get into it now, but I am working on a approach that deals with > personality typing (introversion/extroversion, ect.)... > > this is research for possible academic publication... I once talked to friend of mine and the subject of repetition surfaced. I can't remember what was the actual conversation, but I can recal the general lines. I think a colleague of his was doing some socioligical academical research about hip-hop, and wanted to study the repetition of the beats - vocal hip hop tends to be very repetitive on the beats, they program a phrase a work from there. His teacher told her that there was nothing there to see, so she should direct her effords towards something else. She insisted, and after a lot of work she ended up doing a comparison to african tribes where they play the drums for a long time before the battle, thus inducing a sense of transe and nervousness, raising their adrenalin levels and preparing them for the battle to come. That is true in a lot of cultures close to the drum (see Intertellar Fugitives' notes) the repetition of the drum to induce altered states. That's true too in the Japanese culture, where they spend the whole night playing the Taiko Drums. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] the appeals of repetition...
Haye! I can agree with this "toneshift" phenomenon. I think in fact the term is realy right for it, since I've felt it myself several times. However, I don't agree it has anything to do with introvertion/extrovertion of character. It has more to do with what you said about the volume of information and predesposition towards something you *WOULD* expect to hear in the music. Some kind of cognitive phenomenon, for sure. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message - From: jesse henning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [313] the appeals of repetition... > > OK, I am going to very breifly explain the theory(in laymens terms) and I > will do so with very broad generalizations to compact this down to a page... > > An introverted (quiet, withdrawn, anxious) person is such due to a > physiological filter system being cranked all the way down, in otherwords, > they recieve way too much info sometimes, leading to anxiety, withdrawn > behaviors, so forth (sound familiar yet?) The more common defense from this > is to either withdraw or to create (artists, ect.). An extroverted type is > one whos filtering system is alittle too tight, they need more info to feel > satisfied with their senses. These people tend to do exciting things like > bungy jump in groups, be very outgoing, bubbly, listen to Ricky Martin, > stuff like that. > > Well, I am proposing that repetition is highly appealing to introverts > because it is a perfect balance of incoming info, anything more, such as > trance, would create anxiety, often resulting in hostility towards extreme > info activity (notice the tendency for tech heads to repel against rave > orientated stuff? introvert v. extrovert). I have coined a term, > "toneshift". Toneshifting is where ultra-repetitive music takes on melody > even though this apparant melody isnt really there, but yet some people hear > it, some can even hear it in a 4/4 count of untuned highhats after awhile. > The Swedes and Beyer have a perfect techno for this. Introverts hear this > toneshift due to the fact that they feel no anxiety that s caused by > unnecessary info such as words, breakdowns, drumrolls, and they tend to > project the "natural music in their head" if you will, repetition allows > them to not feel tension and allows them to feel in a sort of mental comfort > zone. Its why an addition of one simple high hat can make some cry > (introverts) while the extroverted ones look on in sheer boredom, > toneshifting is a personality factored experience... > > repetition and toneshifting to the introverted personality type appears to > be the ultimate way of expression... > > There are other angles I am researching, such as drug use between the two, > intellect, stuff like that... > > all in all, its very romantic to say it's a undefinable world, and perhaps > it is with electronica. But I feel that with the structure and technology > we are creating, we will become less and less unique as individuals in the > sense we are used to, we may become, or perhaps already are, categorizable > (i dont think this is bad BTW, despite my ludite sounding words)... > > anyways, sorry if I clogged bandwidth, but ths list seems to be the best for > dropping out ideas such as toneshifting and views of repetition... > > thanks again for any further input... > > darw_n > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.sphereproductions.com > www.mannequinodd.com > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] the appeals of repetition...
Haye! > >Has anyone else thought about the reason of Stacey's pseudonymn > >of Slilent Phase, does it have anything to do with his initials, or is it > >coincedence. > >I probably shouldn't think about trivial sh%t like this, just wondering. > >If it was a conscious decision... CooL > > Silent Phase was some deep stuff to do with sitting back and biding your > time; it was a response to the rave culture of the early 90s which he felt > alienated from. The b-side of his Bango track Ritual Beating System on > Transmat was Wave The Rave Goodbye and that was credited to A Silent Phase, > not Bango. He said that at the time the music seemed like rock'n'roll with a house beat, thus the name of the track was a stand towards the context at the time. The explanation about the credits seems very coherent though. There's an somewhat old interview with him in my site at http://barkingcat.org/counterforce. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Regarding Laura Gavoor's posts
Haye! Sorry for being so delayed on this, but I'm now still catching up on 313 email I had. Only 312 messages to go now. I usualy don't go on and about comenting publicly on other people's posts, but this time I must to go out of the shadows and speak my mind. I'd like to thank and pay my respects to Laura Gavoor for two recent posts (July 19 and 20). Objectivity of information is the way to formalize and endure, but Laura spoke from the heart and managed to educate me and (I'm sure) a lot of us here in this list that are here for the music but sometimes forget that "Detroit" is not simply a name or a possible adjective for "Techno". Music and enviroment are allways connected, and posts like these are documents. Messages like these should be in some sort of "board of honnour" Respect where it's due. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Techno Visual Arts
Haye! Besides the excelent work of Abdul Haqq on Submerge, does anyone know of any visual artists *directly* connected to 313 Techno? Okay, there are some who you might think as fitting in what you'd expect from visual arts in techno, but I mean people who are in close relationship with the music and imagery. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] Rolando Stylee??
Haye! > THe one like the DJ ROlando will be gracing Sydney on August the 11th. To > all you ohter 313ers, what style can I expect from him? ie. cut up DJ etc. You are about to see one of the most impressive DJ's out there. Rolando plays everything from House to Techno and Electro. His style varies a lot, he sometimes is like a hip.hop DJ, cut ups, doubles, etc, other mixes are really smooth. He's got the greatest track selection. Go and enjoy, Rolando will take you to school. Lay "Foste inteligente, cortaste-me o som!" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] UR in Europe
Haye! > If i translate in English: Underground resistance are the > other side of Detroit techno. Under U.R., Jeff Mills and > Mad Mike created radicals hardcore dance titles that > nobody had done. This simple and repetitive type of techno > had a big impact in Europe. This style have been copyed > under a lot of hardcore or trance forms, with a lot less quality. > > Anyone have an opinion on this? I don't know much of Detroit > music history, and even less knowledge of UR in Europe. What UR did was to uncover the not-so-beautifull Detroit, they presented to the world the second generation of Detroit Techno under the banner "Hard Music for a Hard City". Hardcore? It's understandable that someone may think of it as hardcore compared to techno at that time, but UR is definitly *not* hardcore - at least in the sense that hardcore =gabber, etc. They are innovators that draw new paths for music and communication. UR planted more landmarks in the history of electronic music than anyone else. Electronic Warfare, The Final Frontier, Codebreaker, Vintage Future, Afro-Germanic, Mirage, Knights of the Jaguar, each of these songs showed the world that UR can go any direction they want, and still innovate. Much respect. You might want to try some of these links. http://www.undergroundresistance.com http://www.alan43.freeserve.co.uk/pages/intro.htm http://www.submerge.com http://www.hyperreal.org/music/lists/313/labels/ur/ur.html http://barkingcat.org/counterforce (my site, there are profiles and a UR vs Sony/BMG info centre, but only in portuguese. You might want to check it out just in a couple of weeks since the translations are *still* being made) http://mycal.net/ifj/ur/ There's also another UR page at the pHinweb (http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb) but I don't have the address handy. You should also do a web search using the words "mike banks speaks". You'll find a message from Mike Banks that everybody should read once in a while. "Hardcore"... jesus christ... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
Re: [313] UR article in Jockey Slut
Haye! Does Jockey Slut still have an online edition? I'd like to read that interview... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce - Original Message - From: justice 808 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [313] UR article in Jockey Slut > Yeah and the BIG news is that there will be a"Millennium 2 Millennium" > released in late summer /early fall.This will be,of course,the first record > Mad Mike has done in a while.Can't wait!! > > Peace > > Justice > > Gary wrote: > > >Just got this months jockey slut magazine and it has a seven page report on > >UR with a Mike Banks interview, nothing much you didn't know already, but > >still worth a read > > > >Gary
Re: [313] tv documentaries etc
Haye! I'd like to have some video material too. If anyone is willing to tape some stuff, please tell me too. Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce > This all sounds mighty interesting and I would love to have copies of those > shows. Is there anyone would could make copies of the docu's and reports > they have on video. Mind though that the European video format is not the > same as in the US so I'm looking for things I can play on my friend's video > (didn't buy one when I moved, ran out of money...). Does anybody have > Kraftwerk on video or maybe a live concert on cd?
OT request, sorry
Haye! Could someone please send me the last 10 messages from the list? I had this little problem. Also, the person who asked me for the UR article on Jockeyslut, please email me again, I lost the address. Thanks, now back to our regular programming... Lay "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
313@hyperreal.org
Haye! Western society has allways perceived things to be in compartiments, with nothing in between. That is the only way western culture can deal with knowledge. Either something is white, black, blue, orange, house, techno, jungle and what is not one thing or other is allways destined to fall on the bag of "weird stuff", "minority", or "experimentation". The "avant-garde" (ha!) of white techno artists mostly took out a great deal of the good ingredients that made techno what it was, just like when Jungle was striped down from its ragga vocals, softened the beats and thrown a sax in so they could call it "jazzier" - smart way to call it "inteligent" 'n' shit... Oh, yeah, and renamed to Drum&Bass (whatever that is). Plain and simple whitening of jungle, if you ask me. And now? Now jungle plays at tv commercials and even art galleries cause "it's groundbreaking" (not implying that you like it). The innovators? Forgotten! *They* were the avant-garde. The succedaneous? Just capitalizing, now. Did I heard this story befone on Techno? It's incredible that black innovators can't be perceived as artists and visionaries. Like Derrick May says, a black man can be an entertainer, but not an artist. Since the beginning, Banks, Derrick, Pennington, Fowlkes and all the innovators have been pursuing the goal of trying to create pieces that show what is more complex in human feeling and expression. And you know what? They did! And they still do it. Just because some guy in northen europe is doing some stuff that may be plain weird-sounding but he's decorated a couple of paragraphs of a Rimbaud book and cites it as a base for his works, don't anybody come here and tell me that the stupid quote is gonna make the music sound better. And if your answer's yes, well then, good chin-stroking for you, I'll just keep the music, thanks. Don't get me wrong, I like Vogel's work, but the avant-garde of techno is where it has always been, and for what I know it's going to stay there for quite some time... Respect to the innovators. Don't spit on the plate you've just eaten. Lay - having discutions on this topic on a twice-a-day basis lately "Unconditional Empowerment" http://barkingcat.org/counterforce P.S.: Where did all those people that spend half their lives calling Mills an innovator go all of a sudden?
Unsubing
Haye! I'm unsubscribing the list from August 19t until around September 15. Anybody with pending subjects with me that I haven't contacted yet, please drop me a message at this address. If you need to get in contact with me, please write me to this address, altough I can't promisse immediate response. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Back to our regular programming... Lay Unconditional Empowerment http://barkingcat.org/counterforce
