Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
- Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" I understand that they may need to be vigilant but the assumption that there is something amiss, I find unpleasant and stressful. It seems arbitrary. "they" are not American; "they" are Reptilian: http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/exposing_reptilians.htm http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/23/INGO9IB9881.DTL "Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a colony of Aliens?" seek np: Voom Voom - Peng Peng
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
Yeah I've spent years promoting US music and culture, so it just gets me upset. It marrs the experience. I'm the very person they should be encouraging to come over. I understand that they may need to be vigilant but the assumption that there is something amiss, I find unpleasant and stressful. It seems arbitrary. On 25/04/2006, at 7:18 PM, Stewart Caig wrote: When I went to the DEMF a few years ago me and a friend got hauled in at Philadelphia airport and questioned in seperate rooms for almost an hour. With the customs official constantly going and checking out everything I said with my friend in the other room! We then made the mistake of getting the bus across to canada for a couple of hours to get the passport an extra stamp and have a steak. It took all of 10 minutes to get there and 2 hours to get back in again! - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "O.L. From The Basement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go? I had to miss last year and will miss again this year. I am broke. But even if I had the money, I just find travelling to the US too stressful these days. I don't see me going until there's a change of government policy. The fact that I work in media makes it v awkward to go into the US even on holiday. It's the only country that makes media get a visa to cover things for outside press and they've toughened it up so much that the small papers I work for can't help me and it's just too difficult. You go to Europe and Japan and Australia it's easy, you're greeted. In Melbourne they even have programs for visiting journos which includes people to take you to cool clubs and venues and so on. It's hard when I am going on a holiday and possibly writing on it - the US customs don't have a category for that. We've made enquiries here and it's just too difficult. On 24/04/2006, at 10:08 AM, O.L. From The Basement wrote: How many list members from outside the U.S. or from the U.S. but require air travel are going to this year's festival or are still waiting for the final artist lineup to make their decision. Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties will be affected by the lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground artists do not support the festival will they still have their afterparties and invite guests from far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. have an Interstellar Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I just wish they could plan these events farther in advance. Some things to ponder. Orrin
RE: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
Sounds familiar -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:19 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go? When I went to the DEMF a few years ago me and a friend got hauled in at Philadelphia airport and questioned in seperate rooms for almost an hour. With the customs official constantly going and checking out everything I said with my friend in the other room! We then made the mistake of getting the bus across to canada for a couple of hours to get the passport an extra stamp and have a steak. It took all of 10 minutes to get there and 2 hours to get back in again! - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "O.L. From The Basement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go? > I had to miss last year and will miss again this year. I am broke. > But even if I had the money, I just find travelling to the US too > stressful these days. I don't see me going until there's a change of > government policy. The fact that I work in media makes it v awkward > to go into the US even on holiday. It's the only country that makes > media get a visa to cover things for outside press and they've > toughened it up so much that the small papers I work for can't help > me and it's just too difficult. You go to Europe and Japan and > Australia it's easy, you're greeted. In Melbourne they even have > programs for visiting journos which includes people to take you to > cool clubs and venues and so on. It's hard when I am going on a > holiday and possibly writing on it - the US customs don't have a > category for that. We've made enquiries here and it's just too > difficult. > > > On 24/04/2006, at 10:08 AM, O.L. From The Basement wrote: > > > How many list members from outside the U.S. or from the U.S. but > > require air > > travel are going to this year's festival or are still waiting for > > the final > > artist lineup to make their decision. > > Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties will be > > affected by the > > lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground artists do not > > support > > the festival will they still have their afterparties and invite > > guests from > > far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. have an Interstellar > > Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I just wish they > > could > > plan these events farther in advance. > > Some things to ponder. > > > > Orrin > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
When I went to the DEMF a few years ago me and a friend got hauled in at Philadelphia airport and questioned in seperate rooms for almost an hour. With the customs official constantly going and checking out everything I said with my friend in the other room! We then made the mistake of getting the bus across to canada for a couple of hours to get the passport an extra stamp and have a steak. It took all of 10 minutes to get there and 2 hours to get back in again! - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "O.L. From The Basement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go? > I had to miss last year and will miss again this year. I am broke. > But even if I had the money, I just find travelling to the US too > stressful these days. I don't see me going until there's a change of > government policy. The fact that I work in media makes it v awkward > to go into the US even on holiday. It's the only country that makes > media get a visa to cover things for outside press and they've > toughened it up so much that the small papers I work for can't help > me and it's just too difficult. You go to Europe and Japan and > Australia it's easy, you're greeted. In Melbourne they even have > programs for visiting journos which includes people to take you to > cool clubs and venues and so on. It's hard when I am going on a > holiday and possibly writing on it - the US customs don't have a > category for that. We've made enquiries here and it's just too > difficult. > > > On 24/04/2006, at 10:08 AM, O.L. From The Basement wrote: > > > How many list members from outside the U.S. or from the U.S. but > > require air > > travel are going to this year's festival or are still waiting for > > the final > > artist lineup to make their decision. > > Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties will be > > affected by the > > lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground artists do not > > support > > the festival will they still have their afterparties and invite > > guests from > > far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. have an Interstellar > > Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I just wish they > > could > > plan these events farther in advance. > > Some things to ponder. > > > > Orrin > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
I had to miss last year and will miss again this year. I am broke. But even if I had the money, I just find travelling to the US too stressful these days. I don't see me going until there's a change of government policy. The fact that I work in media makes it v awkward to go into the US even on holiday. It's the only country that makes media get a visa to cover things for outside press and they've toughened it up so much that the small papers I work for can't help me and it's just too difficult. You go to Europe and Japan and Australia it's easy, you're greeted. In Melbourne they even have programs for visiting journos which includes people to take you to cool clubs and venues and so on. It's hard when I am going on a holiday and possibly writing on it - the US customs don't have a category for that. We've made enquiries here and it's just too difficult. On 24/04/2006, at 10:08 AM, O.L. From The Basement wrote: How many list members from outside the U.S. or from the U.S. but require air travel are going to this year's festival or are still waiting for the final artist lineup to make their decision. Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties will be affected by the lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground artists do not support the festival will they still have their afterparties and invite guests from far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. have an Interstellar Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I just wish they could plan these events farther in advance. Some things to ponder. Orrin
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
Wouldn't you think the mayor would be able to get the police to back off shutting down afterparties just for one weekend? These parties are at least 50% responsible for attracting the hoards of people to the city. They keep shutting down the parties and making the daytime events into a frickin' rave they won't get anyone coming anymore. Ridiculous MEK Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 04/23/2006 11:21:08 PM: > Been to a bunch of popo shutdowns. Two of 'em Organic parties, > in fact. > > Last year, the life changing set was Kenny Larkin at Bleu of > all places, who played the very final set of the very last after > party Tuesday morning and it was the shiznit. Haven't felt > that good about a set in years. > > fh > > - > >On 4/23/06, Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> In my view, the afterparties have been on a swift slide downward > >> for the last couple of years. > > > >you should go to the same afterparties as me;) the only bust ive had > >in 3 years was the rob hood one in 03. aril brikha the night before > >the festival in 03 at foran's was awesome. the 7th city join in 04 > >was super hot, as was the UR live joint that same year, also norm and > >mike clark's night at agave in 04 was ridiculous. and last year the > >three chairs at oslo was the best sh*t ive ever seen. > > > >> So my point is, of course I go, and I don't have unrealistic > >> expectations about any of it. > > > >i expect to see at least one life changing set per year and i havent > >been disappointed yet! > > > >omtt > > >
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
Been to a bunch of popo shutdowns. Two of 'em Organic parties, in fact. Last year, the life changing set was Kenny Larkin at Bleu of all places, who played the very final set of the very last after party Tuesday morning and it was the shiznit. Haven't felt that good about a set in years. fh - >On 4/23/06, Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In my view, the afterparties have been on a swift slide downward >> for the last couple of years. > >you should go to the same afterparties as me;) the only bust ive had >in 3 years was the rob hood one in 03. aril brikha the night before >the festival in 03 at foran's was awesome. the 7th city join in 04 >was super hot, as was the UR live joint that same year, also norm and >mike clark's night at agave in 04 was ridiculous. and last year the >three chairs at oslo was the best sh*t ive ever seen. > >> So my point is, of course I go, and I don't have unrealistic >> expectations about any of it. > >i expect to see at least one life changing set per year and i havent >been disappointed yet! > >omtt >
RE: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
First, I missed the first years of the festival. I've only gone to the last two so my frame of reference is somewhat limited. Second, I would definitely be going again were it not for my new son who I to spend time with. (Priorities...) That said, I've heard many people say that the festival in general was on a downward slide. I will admit that I liked the 04 festival better than last year but I still had an immense amount of fun both years. My experiences at the 'Green Light Go' party in 04 and both events at 1570 Woodward in 05 are some of the memorable experiences that will stay with me for the rest of my life. I had also never been to anything 'techno' that involved that many people so just being in Hart plaza with that many others all dancing to one beat was a truly awe inspiring moment for me. It was also very cool and a bit humbling to be in a city with so much musical history. I ended up meeting several people who I never would have crossed paths with otherwise during both trips out there. Best of all, hearing Detroit techno in Detroit by Detroit artists really gave me a new apreciation for the music. That alone is reason enough for me to go again and reason why I hope others will go again this year. Perhaps the festival is getting a bit "ravey" this year and perhaps there aren't as many home grown acts as we'd like to see. I can completely understand if those reasons compel people outside of the US not to come. For those of us on this side of the pond though, it's still far, far better than the events that we normaly can choose from. That is one of the biggest reasons why I would go. I'm all for supporting something that is really different from the usual run-of-the-mill events. Bottom line is that beggars can't be choosers. It's not like there are a huge number of events like this happening in the US. I hope people will support Fuse-In because it's one of the few decent electronic music happenings that we have here in the states. At risk of sounding overly dramatic, I sincerely hope things work out this year and in the future because Fuse-In is something I'd really like to take my son to when he's a little older. Anton -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:12 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go? I'll be there. Objectively, neither the festival nor the afterparties are all that great, but it's sort of like the county fair or the playoffs -- you go anyway even if you've seen it all before (and usually you get something you haven't seen anyway). In my view, the afterparties have been on a swift slide downward for the last couple of years. The few good ones tend to get shut down, and otherwise it's mostly the same old mix of promoter grandiosity, uninspiring DJs, trainspotters, celebrity chasers and bored kids. There have been some very notable exceptions; the 430 West party at Johansen Charles, that one out at Grand River and Warren last year (great party until it was shut down at the tragic hour of 1 am), Timeline, a couple in Eastern Market three or four years ago, Tresor at the Transmat building on Gratiot. And I've missed a few classics including a couple Cannonballs and the legendary Three Chairs night at (I believe) Cass Cafe. But it's still less than a dozen that really stand out for me after six years. So my point is, of course I go, and I don't have unrealistic expectations about any of it. As for whether out-of-towners will play with locals who didn't make the festival slate, that's the promoter's call. In fact, just look at the flyers and tell me how you think that works, OK? fh
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
No electro party this year, and so far we're not playing anywhere either. It's going to be a party and take pics year. I plan on having fun (getting drunk)and catching up with my homies from around the world. It's also my first year of being single during the festival, so I'm going to see how that works. :) "Hello, ladies!" (insert Chef from South Park voice here) --- "O.L. From The Basement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many list members from outside the U.S. or from > the U.S. but require air > travel are going to this year's festival or are > still waiting for the final > artist lineup to make their decision. > Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties > will be affected by the > lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground > artists do not support > the festival will they still have their afterparties > and invite guests from > far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. > have an Interstellar > Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I > just wish they could > plan these events farther in advance. > Some things to ponder. > > Orrin > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
On 4/23/06, Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my view, the afterparties have been on a swift slide downward > for the last couple of years. you should go to the same afterparties as me;) the only bust ive had in 3 years was the rob hood one in 03. aril brikha the night before the festival in 03 at foran's was awesome. the 7th city join in 04 was super hot, as was the UR live joint that same year, also norm and mike clark's night at agave in 04 was ridiculous. and last year the three chairs at oslo was the best sh*t ive ever seen. > So my point is, of course I go, and I don't have unrealistic > expectations about any of it. i expect to see at least one life changing set per year and i havent been disappointed yet! omtt
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
I'll be there. Objectively, neither the festival nor the afterparties are all that great, but it's sort of like the county fair or the playoffs -- you go anyway even if you've seen it all before (and usually you get something you haven't seen anyway). In my view, the afterparties have been on a swift slide downward for the last couple of years. The few good ones tend to get shut down, and otherwise it's mostly the same old mix of promoter grandiosity, uninspiring DJs, trainspotters, celebrity chasers and bored kids. There have been some very notable exceptions; the 430 West party at Johansen Charles, that one out at Grand River and Warren last year (great party until it was shut down at the tragic hour of 1 am), Timeline, a couple in Eastern Market three or four years ago, Tresor at the Transmat building on Gratiot. And I've missed a few classics including a couple Cannonballs and the legendary Three Chairs night at (I believe) Cass Cafe. But it's still less than a dozen that really stand out for me after six years. So my point is, of course I go, and I don't have unrealistic expectations about any of it. As for whether out-of-towners will play with locals who didn't make the festival slate, that's the promoter's call. In fact, just look at the flyers and tell me how you think that works, OK? fh
Re: (313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
There are so many things that happen around the time of DEMF that I would suggest to make the festival _part_ of your trip to this region of the US. There's also MUTEK happening in Montreal (which is GORGEOUS that time of year and not too far away) and also there is Chicago about a three hour drive away from detroit that is a great city to see and do things in. I also suggest a day trip up to Ann Arbor (do not miss out on all the great food and Encore Record store) and other parts of the Detroit area like Cranbrook, Royal Oak, etc. If you're going to be there, might as well make the best out of the greater area. There will be parties- guarenteed. Like every year things happen and start moving about two weeks before hand. If you look at the festival as part of a larger trip I think one could enjoy it more and not invest too much in its 'fun factor'. ...just a suggestion. d (who will not be attending to do work obligations) --- "O.L. From The Basement" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many list members from outside the U.S. or from > the U.S. but require air > travel are going to this year's festival or are > still waiting for the final > artist lineup to make their decision. > Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties > will be affected by the > lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground > artists do not support > the festival will they still have their afterparties > and invite guests from > far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. > have an Interstellar > Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I > just wish they could > plan these events farther in advance. > Some things to ponder. > > Orrin > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(313) DEMF 2006: To Go Or Not To Go?
How many list members from outside the U.S. or from the U.S. but require air travel are going to this year's festival or are still waiting for the final artist lineup to make their decision. Do you think the artist lineups for the afterparties will be affected by the lineup for the festival? If the Detroit underground artists do not support the festival will they still have their afterparties and invite guests from far away or just take the weekend off? Will U.R. have an Interstellar Fugitives party; will Alex have an electro party? I just wish they could plan these events farther in advance. Some things to ponder. Orrin
