Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Terrance Fixmer did, however, compile a great number of old industrial tracks (hard to find) dist. by musicman, called Aktion Mekanik. It is the only way i've been able to get a hold of skinny puppy's track assimilate. i love those kind of comps. i really lucked out, i found both bites and remission sealed lps. to say i soiled myself is an understatement. i've had the bites/remission combo cd since the early early 90s. i loved to so much i have bought three of them (others were stolen) but to have the vinyl. bites, remission, and the addiction 12 it was a good day for record shopping scotto ps. the new mix up on my site starts off with F242- welcome to paradice http://plaztikjezuz.com/GeorgesBirthdayTagteam.mp3
(313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
they're catchy and unllike several of the excellent acts you listed michael, their music is a little more dance friendly. and yes- DE9 had a lot to do with it. i remember a fellow recordtime employee and serious industrial head going off on some rave kid looking for used nitzer ebb vinyl- where were you the past five years when i couldn't sell any of them!? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
sudden popularity? i thought it happened four or five years ago with the release (and tour) of decks, efx and 909, and the rerelease of derrick may's remix of 'shame'. to add to the list of industrial acts: detroit's code assault, with 'action' remixed by jeff mills (as the wizard). james www.jbucknell.com Michael.Elliot-Kn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 22/06/04 01:48 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK ForwardSourceID:NTE8B2
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly - all you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter followed by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have them acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys. Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this thread on him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...) Lisa :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
join in the chant kills it. don't front. tom -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:48:59 -0500 What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
headhunter is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom -- Original Message -- From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400 Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly - all you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter followed by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have them acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys. Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this thread on him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...) Lisa :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
I guess it depends on your experience. If I never hear those two records
(Headhunter, Join in the Chant) again it will be too soon. Not because
they suck ('cos they are great tunes) - but they got so, SO overplayed
around me. Even now I can go to any goth/industrial night in
NJ/NYC/Philly and they are still playing that stuff. It's not nostalgic
- it's annoying! :o
Lisa
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
headhunter is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with
those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you
guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise
that synths and drum machines were my friends.
tom
-- Original Message --
From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400
Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly -
all
you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter
followed
by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have
them
acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys.
Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just
playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this
thread on
him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...)
Lisa :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's with their sudden popularity again?
Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks,
efx909
mix?
They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm
concerned.
They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and
their debut
album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same
elementary themes
over and over.
There were at least a handful of artists that were better:
Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper)
Front 242
Front Line Assembly
Foetus
Depeche Mode
SPK
Test Dept.
Throbbing Gristle
Cabaret Voltaire
23 Skidoo
A Certain Ratio
and on and on.
each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do
but they all
did it better
and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy
band.
If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire
etc. anymore
I'm going to lose it.
It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap
tune now.
So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and
why do they
end up in so many techno sets nowadays?
MEK
andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? i'm sure it had a lot to do with de9 but fwiw i can't remember a time he wasn't playing nitzer ebb..
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. Futhermore i think that their titles and lyrics really go well with techno..'let your body learn', 'join in the chant', 'murderous' and 'Control i'm here' just fit well with hard looped techno:-) Hawtin, Surgeon and the rest just might feel that these song are classics and they grew up with it as being their early contact with electronic music and this is their way of paying respect. Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? i dogreat tunes were made back in those days, they deserve to be played out again And yes, Douglas Mcarthy, the former shouter of Nitzer Ebb has made a great, very great album with Terence Fixmer called 'between the devil..' and this mix between oldschool EBM, his vocals and 2004 techno really my stereo at the moment...Highly Recommended! just my 50 cents on this sunny morning.. Martijn What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
lisa wrote on Mon, 21 Jun 2004 about following:
I guess it depends on your experience. If I never hear those two records
(Headhunter, Join in the Chant) again it will be too soon. Not because they
suck ('cos they are great tunes) - but they got so, SO overplayed around me.
Even now I can go to any goth/industrial night in NJ/NYC/Philly and they are
still playing that stuff. It's not nostalgic - it's annoying! :o
Well, every generation of club-goers will see this happen; dj's bring
back big hits from the past and the older crowd will probably think
'what he's doin, playin these old overplayed hits, duh' and the younger
generation probably thinks (if they know the track) 'whoah, he's playing
some classics, COOL'.
I don't go to goth/industrial clubs anymore because they are playing:
1) too much plain rock for my taste
2) too much really cheap trance/hard house
3) too much of that 'future-pop' (or something)
4) they don't play ebm/industrial
sakke
--
It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things.
http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
ive been actively ignoring industrial music for almost 10 years
now, itsd very easy to only remember it in the best possible
light.
tom
-- Original Message --
From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:27:44 -0400
I guess it depends on your experience. If I never hear those two
records
(Headhunter, Join in the Chant) again it will be too soon. Not
because
they suck ('cos they are great tunes) - but they got so, SO
overplayed
around me. Even now I can go to any goth/industrial night in
NJ/NYC/Philly and they are still playing that stuff. It's not
nostalgic
- it's annoying! :o
Lisa
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
headhunter is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong
with
those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of
you
guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me
realise
that synths and drum machines were my friends.
tom
-- Original Message --
From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400
Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a
weekly -
all
you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter
followed
by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd
have
them
acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys.
Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was
just
playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this
thread on
him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...)
Lisa :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's with their sudden popularity again?
Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks,
efx909
mix?
They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm
concerned.
They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and
their debut
album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same
elementary themes
over and over.
There were at least a handful of artists that were better:
Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper)
Front 242
Front Line Assembly
Foetus
Depeche Mode
SPK
Test Dept.
Throbbing Gristle
Cabaret Voltaire
23 Skidoo
A Certain Ratio
and on and on.
each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do
but they all
did it better
and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy
band.
If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire
etc. anymore
I'm going to lose it.
It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap
tune now.
So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and
why do they
end up in so many techno sets nowadays?
MEK
andythepooh.com
andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
On Jun 21, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Garrett wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? i'm sure it had a lot to do with de9 but fwiw i can't remember a time he wasn't playing nitzer ebb.. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I've always thought that it was the low point of de9. It breaks what is otherwise a seamless flow through the mix. I don't dislike the track...I've heard it work well in other techno sets I guess... I do have to agree with the OP that they are low on my list of favorite EBM/industrial acts though. -- Tim Moore
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Ditto for me. I was a close-minded metalhead as a teenager until someone played me Skinny Puppy's Cleanse Fold Manipulate. Changed everything, I loved dark, angry music at the time (teen angst and all) and industrial showed me that a synth, a sampler and a drum machine could be every bit as dark (and more so) as Slayer or any of their ilk. Industrial gave me a bridge from metal over to harder techno and the harder techno stuff prepared me for the day someone played me Plastikman. :) john. headhunter is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
those are good points. I suppose my wish is that DJs could work on keeping a
balance so stuff doesn't sound tired, no matter how old or new it is. It's our
own fault this stuff is overplayed. I know it's hard to do, but gosh there is
SO much good music to pick from that surely there isn't the need to play the
same stuff constantly or jump the bandwagon of whatever trend is happening.
it's all just a big wheel anyways ... what's old is new, etc.
LOL @ the reasons why not to goth/ind club - I have to say I was surprised a
few years back when I went to a club, in their basement area - which was
supposed to be the dungeon - super-cool music, etc. and someone was playing a
trance anthem from Chicane or similar! I found it hilarious seeing guys in
combat books and leather jackets dancing to that. The mood was later restored
with some KMFDM.
I've always felt detroit style techno would work well in this scene.
lisa
- Original Message -
From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:43 am
Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh?
lisa wrote on Mon, 21 Jun 2004 about following:
I guess it depends on your experience. If I never hear those two
records
(Headhunter, Join in the Chant) again it will be too soon. Not
because they
suck ('cos they are great tunes) - but they got so, SO
overplayed around me.
Even now I can go to any goth/industrial night in NJ/NYC/Philly
and they are
still playing that stuff. It's not nostalgic - it's annoying! :o
Well, every generation of club-goers will see this happen; dj's
bring
back big hits from the past and the older crowd will probably
think
'what he's doin, playin these old overplayed hits, duh' and the
younger
generation probably thinks (if they know the track) 'whoah, he's
playing
some classics, COOL'.
I don't go to goth/industrial clubs anymore because they are playing:
1) too much plain rock for my taste
2) too much really cheap trance/hard house
3) too much of that 'future-pop' (or something)
4) they don't play ebm/industrial
sakke
--
It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things.
http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.bizcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back
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I agree with what Yussel said basically, that stuff works really well on the dance floor. I personally think their synth basslines are great. In a way I think their beats sound closer to techno than some of the other artists you mentioned, and mix very well with contemporary stuff. I agree those other bands are great, but I think Nitzer Ebb had a good little niche. Granted, their songs do sound quite alike... ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] they're catchy and unllike several of the excellent acts you listed michael, their music is a little more dance friendly. and yes- DE9 had a lot to do with it. i remember a fellow recordtime employee and serious industrial head going off on some rave kid looking for used nitzer ebb vinyl- where were you the past five years when i couldn't sell any of them!? On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
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didnt terrence fixmer do a mix album of all this sort of stuff recently? anyone buy it? seems an extension/progression fo the electroclash '80s fixation, with dj hell typically out front. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.bizcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw
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exactly -- the old EBM stuff like 242, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly etc is what got me interested in electronic music in the first place. Feels like there is quite a resurgence of interest in this stuff lately, even amongst those whose closets contain colors other than black. Seems to correlate rather well with the resurgence of interest in Detroit techno and Chicago house classics lately -- roughly the same time frame, I believe someone referred to it as people's "primary earning years". all I can tell you is this stuff's still relevant -- Front 242 "Headhunter" into Polarius' retro-acid-ish"Ride the Chopper" will move *any* crowd... - bot - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:51 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? "headhunter" is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom-- Original Message -- From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400 Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly - all you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter followed by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have them acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys.Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this thread on him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...)Lisa :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his "Decks, efx909" mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line "Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc." anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK andythepooh.com
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i am from detroit motown i am from detroit i am from detroit motown i am from detroit... and then counting down a few dj names? i dont think thats really better, but anyway i like that scan 7 song as well as i like NE's songs. if you dont like it, just dont listen to it, instead of wasting my bandwidth with emails complaining about NE. taste is always different. btw, i just saw douglas mccarthy and terrence fixmer in berlin last saturday playing live at the watergate club. it was a great show. minimalistic sounds combined with dougs voice. and yes, they played join in the chant too:- as well as many stuff of their new album 'between the devil'. some pictures could be found at our weblog http://www.energylab.de/wordpress/ it could all be so easy in this world... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire
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I may be a touch late on this reply, but... I've been an Ebb fan for years and years. TBH I noticed a slight popularity from Decks and Effects, but most of the people that didn't know them before that album, didn't care one way or the other when they heard it. Industrial is making a sudden resurgence of late, as are other forms of electronic music that rooted some people into techno or other various forms of electronic music. It has more to do with the argument based on the future of electronic music, then it does with Richie's mix. As for your critique of Nitzer Ebb, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with everything you've stated. In 1987, That Total Age was WAYYY before its time, and includes the anticipation of the fall of Communist power in eastern europe, as well as very liberal views on society and change. That album stands out as my favorite by Ebb, but the song Warsaw Ghetto is absolutely my favorite tune, and captures the mood of the concentration camps/german work camps, and is a good reminder of the terrible things that happened barely 50 years ago. my $.02 dense On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those are good points. I suppose my wish is that DJs could work on keeping a balance so stuff doesn't sound tired, no matter how old or new it is. It's our own fault this stuff is overplayed. I know it's hard to do, but gosh there is SO much good music to pick from that surely there isn't the IMO, a good tune is a good tune. If you play it 500 times or you play it 10, it's still teh same good tune. If I hear a tune 6 or 7 times at one party, tho, (as I heard music sounds better during its height in Chicago in 98) it's no longer playing records, it's playing a song. To me, this doesn't decrease the value of the song, just the person playing it so much. I've heard people tell me that they don't like the Jaguar anymore, because its overplayed, but TBH, it's still the same great tune, and everytime i hear it I still think it's got what it takes to be a classic techno tune. Even though Jeff Mills opened with it for the last 3 or 4 years straight... my $.o2 again dense
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He probably did, although i don't have info on it. I do have an excellent EBM mix by Hell tho, called electronic body. Terrance Fixmer did, however, compile a great number of old industrial tracks (hard to find) dist. by musicman, called Aktion Mekanik. It is the only way i've been able to get a hold of skinny puppy's track assimilate. dense On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Ben Britz wrote: didnt terrence fixmer do a mix album of all this sort of stuff recently? anyone buy it? seems an extension/progression fo the electroclash '80s fixation, with dj hell typically out front. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.bizcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline
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I don't go to goth/industrial clubs anymore because they are playing: 1) too much plain rock for my taste 2) too much really cheap trance/hard house 3) too much of that 'future-pop' (or something) 4) they don't play ebm/industrial
you really hit that nail on the head. all I usually hear at the 'goth nights' is trance with dhk Germanic vocals over top, the occasional played out Lords of Acid record, and straight up trance.It just confuses me becausea lot of the "techno" (to those people anyway) out there seems like it fits the whole experimental-EBM history more. I don't understand why Legowelt, Terence Fixmer, older Anthony Rother, Drexciyaetc.hasn't caught on amongst this crowd. I really can't hear the spirit of supposedly 'goth' bands like Throbbing Gristle and Skinny Puppyoff stuff on Metropolis or Cleopatra. Some dude with a fake, generic European accent shout-crooning over amateur JP8000 riffs just doesn't do it for me.
- jobot
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From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:43 am
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lisa wrote on Mon, 21 Jun 2004 about following:I guess it depends on your experience. If I never hear those two records (Headhunter, Join in the Chant) again it will be too soon. Not because they suck ('cos they are great tunes) - but they got so, SO overplayed around me. Even now I can go to any goth/industrial night in NJ/NYC/Philly and they are still playing that stuff. It's not nostalgic - it's annoying! :o Well, every generation of club-goers will see this happen; dj's bring back big hits from the past and the older crowd will probably think 'what he's doin, playin these old overplayed hits, duh' and the younger generation probably thinks (if they know the track) 'whoah, he's playing some classics, COOL'.
I don't go to goth/industrial clubs anymore because they are playing: 1) too much plain rock for my taste 2) too much really cheap trance/hard house 3) too much of that 'future-pop' (or something) 4) they don't play ebm/industrialsakke -- It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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btw, i just saw douglas mccarthy and terrence fixmer in berlin last saturday playing live at the watergate club. it was a great show. minimalistic sounds combined with dougs voice. and yes, they played join in the chant too:- as well as many stuff of their new album 'between the devil'. BTW, the single by Fixmer and McCarthy freefall/destroy was my 12 of the year last year, even tho it came out in Dec. Just a blistering set of tracks! dense
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At 01:29 PM 6/22/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why Legowelt, Terence Fixmer, older Anthony Rother, Drexciya etc. hasn't caught on amongst this crowd. I'd say it has something to do with the goth scene not having ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with music anymore. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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aktion mekanik is what i was thinking of love that hell disc Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: He probably did, although i don't have info on it. I do have an excellent EBM mix by Hell tho, called electronic body. Terrance Fixmer did, however, compile a great number of old industrial tracks (hard to find) dist. by musicman, called Aktion Mekanik. It is the only way i've been able to get a hold of skinny puppy's track assimilate. dense On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Ben Britz wrote: didnt terrence fixmer do a mix album of all this sort of stuff recently? anyone buy it? seems an extension/progression fo the electroclash '80s fixation, with dj hell typically out front. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.bizcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond
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and douglas Mcarthy has a family 313 connection so =P On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Martijn de Blaauw wrote: Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. Futhermore i think that their titles and lyrics really go well with techno..'let your body learn', 'join in the chant', 'murderous' and 'Control i'm here' just fit well with hard looped techno:-) Hawtin, Surgeon and the rest just might feel that these song are classics and they grew up with it as being their early contact with electronic music and this is their way of paying respect. Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? i dogreat tunes were made back in those days, they deserve to be played out again And yes, Douglas Mcarthy, the former shouter of Nitzer Ebb has made a great, very great album with Terence Fixmer called 'between the devil..' and this mix between oldschool EBM, his vocals and 2004 techno really my stereo at the moment...Highly Recommended! just my 50 cents on this sunny morning.. Martijn What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc. anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 about following: the only way i've been able to get a hold of skinny puppy's track assimilate. It might be quite difficult to find on vinyl but the cd's are easily available - since even here in Finland you can walk into a record shop and you can buy about every one of their albums. And there was couple compilations released some years ago, called The Singles Collect and B-Sides Collect that compiled most of their major hits in to two different cd's, first one including Assimilate. Funny thing is that today in record shop i was just watching around rock+pop vinyl albums while my friend was checking some techno records, and there was some Front 242 albums.. (no, they were not second hand) sakke -- It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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Say that again and I'll have to get out my leather paddles and whips and tie you down and punish you for being a naughty boy. or something like that MEK matt kane's brain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 12:32 PM At 01:29 PM 6/22/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why Legowelt, Terence Fixmer, older Anthony Rother, Drexciya etc. hasn't caught on amongst this crowd. I'd say it has something to do with the goth scene not having ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with music anymore. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good very true. Nitzer Ebb is fun in the same way that something like LA Style "James Brown Is Dead"is -- a nonsensical time trip. It is not, was not, and never will be quality music -- but to me it's still fun. In moderation. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:17 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I totally agree - just wish that Nitzer Ebb wasn't getting the bulk of the attention. I think they are overrated at this point. they came rather late to the party (industrial dance had been going for at least five year by then) and didn't really have much to say imo they made some catchy electronic tunes that relied on militaristic sloganchanting but they had absolutely no substance I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] om To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 06/22/04 11:45 AM Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? Please respond to jbartuski exactly -- the old EBM stuff like 242, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assemblyetc is what got me interested in electronic music in the first place. Feels like there is quite a resurgence of interest in this stuff lately,even amongst those whose closets contain colors other than black. Seems to correlate rather well with the resurgence of interest in Detroit techno and Chicago house classics lately -- roughly the same time frame, I believesomeone referred to it as people's "primary earning years".all I can tell you is this stuff's still relevant -- Front 242 "Headhunter"into Polarius' retro-acid-ish "Ride the Chopper" will move *any* crowd...- bot - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:51 pmSubject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? "headhunter" is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom -- Original Message -- From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400 Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly - all you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter followed by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have them acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys. Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this thread on him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...) Lisa :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again?Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his "Decks, efx909"mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debutalbum (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themesover and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better:Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper)Front 242Front Line AssemblyFoetusDepeche ModeSPKTest Dept.Throbbing GristleCabaret Voltaire23 SkidooA Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they alldid it betterand any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line "Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc." anymoreI'm going to lose it.It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do theyend up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK andythepooh.com
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I think that bands like Cabaret Voltaire, Nitzer Ebb, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle / Chris Cosey, Front 242, MBM, et al, have just as much relevance as Kraftwerk, P-Funk, Prince, Laid Back, Liquid Liquid, Newcleus, Manuel Gottsching, etc.. in shaping the sound of current detroit dance [and non-dance] music.. If it weren't for the magazines Freestylin' + Homebpy [a freestyle BMX / skate mag, edited by Andy Jenkins from Girl Skateboards, Mark Lewman, and Spike Jonze, which regularly listed albums they were listening to in the office], and MTV's 120 Minutes [which had regularly played videos from such artists, as well as my first glimpse of 808 State].. I probably would have never had the inspiration to start making music on my own. And I think many others can say the same.. My first steps towards electronic music were through Kraftwerk and Industrial music -- living in the rust belt of Cleveland we didn't have much choice but to like industrial music as that was what was happening... in fact I wouldn't have met of my best friends, Charles Noel, aka Archetype, from 21/22 if I didn't go to the Revolting Cocks' beers, steers, queers show in 1991. I distinctly remember HATING Nitzer Ebb in high school. I thought, why was this guy so damn angry? But now Join in the Chant and Let Your Body Learn are as much of a classic as White Horse, Erotic City, Blue Monday, or Optimo in my bag. +odd -- + SCALE : http://www.scalestudio.com/ /// connecting the space between and within.
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I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than Nitzer Ebb. John Acquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it for 20 minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare. Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a silly song. It was silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt an industrial fan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, as is pretty much everything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as opposed to shouting) On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.bizcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear
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GET THIS! - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than Nitzer Ebb. John Acquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it for 20 minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare. Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a silly song. It was silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt an industrialfan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, as is pretty much everything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as opposed to shouting)On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK "Martijn de Blaauw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.biz cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones
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It should have read the only way I've been able to get a hold of SP assimilate _on_vinyl_ :D On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Sakari Karipuro wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 22 Jun 2004 about following: the only way i've been able to get a hold of skinny puppy's track assimilate. It might be quite difficult to find on vinyl but the cd's are easily available - since even here in Finland you can walk into a record shop and you can buy about every one of their albums. And there was couple compilations released some years ago, called The Singles Collect and B-Sides Collect that compiled most of their major hits in to two different cd's, first one including Assimilate. Funny thing is that today in record shop i was just watching around rock+pop vinyl albums while my friend was checking some techno records, and there was some Front 242 albums.. (no, they were not second hand) sakke -- It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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Actually, there is a wicked remix of control i'm here on novamute, by the Hacker, and it has the wicked vocals, and the original synth cut, but updated kick and improved bassline. Fun to play with that and the original... dense On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GET THIS! - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than Nitzer Ebb. John Acquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it for 20 minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare. Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a silly song. It was silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt an industrialfan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, as is pretty much everything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as opposed to shouting) On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.biz cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM
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'That Total Age' isn't such a bad album. Yes, certain songs are completely overplayed, but that doesn't reflect badly on the album itself. Stylistically, 'That Total Age' really is a TOTAL fixation on one aspect of DAF's style. Not that it makes it any less fun in itself, but it makes it less interesting than the thing that inspired it. To their credit though, Nitzer Ebb did become more interesting and progressively less imitative of DAF with subsequent releases. As for the lyrics, Nitzer Ebb's lyrics were hardly eloquent, but the simple, repeated lyrics works with that style of music. I would think that techno fans would be able to appreciate something like that DAF's lyrics were just as simple and repetitive, but they used it to much greater effect and with a lot more sex and mystery. Mmmm... Adventure funk. Kiddie funk for little boys and their mothers... Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.bizcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days
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hey that's a good idea, I've got both records but have never tried them together. there's an excellent Terence Fixmer rmx of "Let Your Body Learn" on the flip of that Novamute record, plusI've got another N. Ebb 12" on Novamute with a Derrick May remix of "Shame"... - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:04 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? Actually, there is a wicked remix of "control i'm here" on novamute, by the Hacker, and it has the wicked vocals, and the original synth cut, but updated kick and improved bassline. Fun to play with that and the original... dense On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GET THIS! - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than NitzerEbb. JohnAcquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it for 20minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare. Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a sillysong. Itwas silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt anindustrialfan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, asis pretty mucheverything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as opposed toshouting) On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider thatto be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playingsomething from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent,longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don'thave to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age'sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the onlyone that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within technosets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn'that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me whatthis is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them toit except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 hasthem beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vagueyet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along typelyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target orcause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calmthe f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while stillmaking me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about asinteresting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums upNitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down apummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hookson top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge
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On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BODYP/P Pgt; I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was BRgt; intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good /P Pvery true.nbsp; Nitzer Ebb is fun in the same way that something like LA Style James Brown Is Deadnbsp;is -- a nonsensical time trip.nbsp; It is not, was not, and never will be quality music -- but to me it's still fun.nbsp; /P And I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of HTML mail. *Flogs jbartuski with his Goth cat-o'-nine-tails 'til he turns it off* :) On Jun 22, 2004, at 2:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BODYP/P I think that bands like Cabaret Voltaire, Nitzer Ebb, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle / Chris Cosey, Front 242, MBM, et al, have just as much relevance as Kraftwerk, P-Funk, Prince, Laid Back, Liquid Liquid, Newcleus, Manuel Gottsching, etc.. in shaping the sound of current Detroit dance [and non-dance] music.. At some LA gig (Autechre? Scion? Don't remember ... ) during the pre-set music, they started playing Sharivari. I ran over to cEvin Key (from Skinny Puppy) and said Listen to this! It's the first Detroit Techno record!!! and he listened for a bit and said, Wow. Really? This sounds like the Cabs. If it weren't for the magazines Freestylin' + Homebpy [a freestyle BMX / skate mag, edited by Andy Jenkins from Girl Skateboards, Mark Lewman, and Spike Jonze, which regularly listed albums they were listening to in the office], [...] .. I probably would have never had the inspiration to start making music on my own. anecdote Andy Jenkins was in a great LA Industrial band called Factory (yah, I know, poorly named) in the mid 80's. We tried to get them on the bill to support Skinny Puppy for their 1987 show upstairs at the Variety Arts Center (I still have the handbill with them listed as support), but through some promoter shenanigans, they got thrown off. /anecdote Ob313: Speaking of Old Music, I just got the Made In Sheffield DVD. It's brilliant, but probably better discussed on little detroit :) - Greg (who'll see Skinny Puppy 4 times in the next 2 weeks. heh)
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
sorry, it's a webmail interface and there's no setting in the preferences to turn it off all the time... I'll try and remember to switch it manually when I reply to the list. - jobot - Original Message - From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:22 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BODYP/P Pgt; I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was BRgt; intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good /P Pvery true. Nitzer Ebb is fun in the same way that something like LA Style James Brown Is Dead is -- a nonsensical time trip. It is not, was not, and never will be quality music -- but to me it's still fun. /P And I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of HTML mail. *Flogs jbartuski with his Goth cat-o'-nine-tails 'til he turns it off* :) On Jun 22, 2004, at 2:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BODYP/P I think that bands like Cabaret Voltaire, Nitzer Ebb, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle / Chris Cosey, Front 242, MBM, et al, have just as much relevance as Kraftwerk, P-Funk, Prince, Laid Back, Liquid Liquid, Newcleus, Manuel Gottsching, etc.. in shaping the sound of current Detroit dance [and non-dance] music.. At some LA gig (Autechre? Scion? Don't remember ... ) during the pre-set music, they started playing Sharivari. I ran over to cEvin Key (from Skinny Puppy) and said Listen to this! It's the firstDetroit Techno record!!! and he listened for a bit and said, Wow.Really? This sounds like the Cabs. If it weren't for the magazines Freestylin' + Homebpy [a freestyle BMX / skate mag, edited by Andy Jenkins from Girl Skateboards, Mark Lewman, and Spike Jonze, which regularly listed albums they were listening to in the office], [...] .. I probably would have never had the inspiration to start making music on my own. anecdote Andy Jenkins was in a great LA Industrial band called Factory (yah, I know, poorly named) in the mid 80's. We tried to get them on the bill to support Skinny Puppy for their 1987 show upstairs at the Variety Arts Center (I still have the handbill with them listed as support), but through some promoter shenanigans, they got thrown off. Ob313: Speaking of Old Music, I just got the Made In Sheffield DVD. It's brilliant, but probably better discussed on little detroit :) - Greg (who'll see Skinny Puppy 4 times in the next 2 weeks. heh)
