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Hi folks- The prospect of getting a compilation album of carl craig's retroactive label seemed like a good idea at the time, but DO NOT get the LP that Buzz has re-issued called Equinox : Night and Da. True, those songs on their are really interesting; wrap me in his arms..ect Even the placid angels and an old octave one track are on it. These records are gold mines on ebay, But Seriously. the pressing is so quiet that I can't even boost the bass to make it sound half decent. Plus, the pressing is really noisy . im going to ask buzz what the deal is. (anybody here have any ideas why they cant do a decent re-press?) The long and short of it is that I heavily advise you save your 20 beans for something else. -j
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i wanted to say that the three tracks on side B are pressed *a little* better. Honestly though, were all the retroactive pressing really that quiet? Somebody with originals care to chime in? sorry about the double post, I'll try to consolidate my thoughts next time. yours -j On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 06:52 PM, jason kenjar wrote: Hi folks- The prospect of getting a compilation album of carl craig's retroactive label seemed like a good idea at the time, but DO NOT get the LP that Buzz has re-issued called Equinox : Night and Da. True, those songs on their are really interesting; wrap me in his arms..ect Even the placid angels and an old octave one track are on it. These records are gold mines on ebay, But Seriously. the pressing is so quiet that I can't even boost the bass to make it sound half decent. Plus, the pressing is really noisy . im going to ask buzz what the deal is. (anybody here have any ideas why they cant do a decent re-press?) The long and short of it is that I heavily advise you save your 20 beans for something else. -j
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im going to ask buzz what the deal is. (anybody here have any ideas why they cant do a decent re-press?) The poor sound quality is partly down to the fact that (like the Transmat Relics LP that was 'repressed' recently) this is a bootleg of the original Buzz LP, not a remaster or even a straight repress. Buzz are no longer in business... But the sound quality is never that great to start with when you're trying to fit more than 15 minutes worth of music on a single side of vinyl... Cheers, Tom
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thank you very much for the info Tom- thats why the record sounds like a recycled pepsi can :) does the original buzz comp sound good enough to 'play out' or should i look for the original 12s the rest of my life? -j On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 07:40 PM, Tom Churchill wrote: im going to ask buzz what the deal is. (anybody here have any ideas why they cant do a decent re-press?) The poor sound quality is partly down to the fact that (like the Transmat Relics LP that was 'repressed' recently) this is a bootleg of the original Buzz LP, not a remaster or even a straight repress. Buzz are no longer in business... But the sound quality is never that great to start with when you're trying to fit more than 15 minutes worth of music on a single side of vinyl... Cheers, Tom
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All I can say about the originals (got the dang1ep and 005/006 promo's) that they sound like all of my records from that era in music history. Full on the bass and Jason what do you mean by noizy.? peace -Original Message- From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 6 mei 2004 1:52 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) bad pressing alert Hi folks- The prospect of getting a compilation album of carl craig's retroactive label seemed like a good idea at the time, but DO NOT get the LP that Buzz has re-issued called Equinox : Night and Da. True, those songs on their are really interesting; wrap me in his arms..ect Even the placid angels and an old octave one track are on it. These records are gold mines on ebay, But Seriously. the pressing is so quiet that I can't even boost the bass to make it sound half decent. Plus, the pressing is really noisy . im going to ask buzz what the deal is. (anybody here have any ideas why they cant do a decent re-press?) The long and short of it is that I heavily advise you save your 20 beans for something else. -j
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Similar to when you make a copy of a cassette to a second cassette, then that second to a third cassette. The quality has diminished. I don't know the technical term for it. If you say those older records are full on the bass, it leads me to believe that problems were not that they were of low quality when originally pressed, but they have diminished over time and maltreated bootleg pressings. I was able to compare my copy of As time goes by with the pressing on the 'bootleg' version of the equinox LP. Its easy to hear a difference. Unless planet e re-mastered that song, the Equinox pressing diminished the quality. As Tom was saying; you take a few older pieces of music, press 15 minutes worth of music on one side of a record, then an ill-legit, low quality bootleg of that weaker pressing is made... explains why i was unhappy with this LP Thanks for helping me with query everyone. -j On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 11:05 PM, Arno wrote: All I can say about the originals (got the dang1ep and 005/006 promo's) that they sound like all of my records from that era in music history. Full on the bass and Jason what do you mean by noizy.?
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does the original buzz comp sound good enough to 'play out' or should i look for the original 12s the rest of my life? like Tom said, squeeze all that music on one side of vinyl anyway and the difference between that and a 12 (especially for playing out)is even audible to my ears (so it must be fairly bad). And that's not withstanding the fact that some cowboy motherf**king bootlegger has mastered it from an already poor vinyl copy. (probably). hmm, bootleggers who bootleg techno? need shooting in my opinion - it's not as if any artist in techno makes enough money to live on (except for maybe a very small minority). get back to ripping off chemical bros remixes of coldplay or something, you bunch of f**king no-mark pikey motherf**kers and leave 'our' music alone. c**ts. sorry for the swearing, I know there's ladies present. I hope you forgive my foul mouth. Alex *in a top mood* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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which buzz comp are we talking about? virtual sex, panic in detroit? they all had cd releases. what dum bootlegger would use an old bit of vinyl to master a bootleg when using the cd as a master could have made for a better pressing than the orignal. james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 06/05/04 08:15 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) bad pressing alert does the original buzz comp sound good enough to 'play out' or should i look for the original 12s the rest of my life? like Tom said, squeeze all that music on one side of vinyl anyway and the difference between that and a 12 (especially for playing out)is even audible to my ears (so it must be fairly bad). And that's not withstanding the fact that some cowboy motherf**king bootlegger has mastered it from an already poor vinyl copy. (probably). hmm, bootleggers who bootleg techno? need shooting in my opinion - it's not as if any artist in techno makes enough money to live on (except for maybe a very small minority). get back to ripping off chemical bros remixes of coldplay or something, you bunch of f**king no-mark pikey motherf**kers and leave 'our' music alone. c**ts. sorry for the swearing, I know there's ladies present. I hope you forgive my foul mouth. Alex *in a top mood* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring ForwardSourceID:NTBADA
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panic in detroit? this one.. they probably did do it from the cd, I don't know. sounds s**t however they did it. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I think its 'equinox\nite and da' unfortunately i just ordered it from the Uk which works out quite expensive. Isn't the main reason the record would sound bad is someone pressed 1 whole album on to 1 piece of vinyl? I mean i have relics and i assume this is the original and it sounds real low/poor quality also. I mean if your gonna bootleg then lets improve on the original and make a nice sounding 3 record set. Or better stiill repress/re-release and keep the artists happy also. I wouldn't want to short change someone like Carl. Does anyone know what happens to the rights of defunct record lables like Buzz? Could Carl bootleg his own release? Quest Pond -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2004 17:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) bad pressing alert panic in detroit? this one.. they probably did do it from the cd, I don't know. sounds s**t however they did it. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Does anyone know what happens to the rights of defunct record lables like Buzz? Could Carl bootleg his own release? Carl still owns the rights, Buzz just licensed tracks... Martin
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Does anyone know what happens to the rights of defunct record lables like Buzz? Could Carl bootleg his own release? I would imagine (but don't really know), that Buzz just licensed all the tracks in question. (on these compilation releases anyway) Isn't the main reason the record would sound bad is someone pressed 1 whole album on to 1 piece of vinyl? I mean i have relics and i assume this is the original and it sounds real low/poor quality also. Well, a little, but I have plenty of albums that are just on one bit of vinyl that sound fine. I guess it must be a combination of lo-fi recording and not enough space on the vinyl? My Relics Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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on 5/6/04 5:38 AM, Martin Dust at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what happens to the rights of defunct record lables like Buzz? Could Carl bootleg his own release? Carl still owns the rights, Buzz just licensed tracks... Martin exactly. Carl would not have to bootleg his own compilation. all licensing contracts state how long the licensing agreement will be in effect and what territories they cover. if you have your own label its best to maintain the rights to press in your own territory. in most cases the agreements are in effect for 60 months (five years) with the licensors rights and claims to the recordings expiring after that time. I've even seen some contracts for as little as 6 months :^) after the agreed upon time the artist/owner (licensee) is free to do with the master recordings what he or she wants in all territories (re-release, remix, re-license to someone else, bury in a landfill in Arizona). there are many other legal stipulations to licensing but I only mean to address why there is no need for Carl to bootleg this compilation. sean deason: contract killer
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Thanks everyone. How do we know Carl didn't re-release this copy then? Might be a silly question sorry, its just everyone is saying bootleg but i'm wondering. Quest -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2004 19:03 To: Martin Dust; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) bad pressing alert on 5/6/04 5:38 AM, Martin Dust at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what happens to the rights of defunct record lables like Buzz? Could Carl bootleg his own release? Carl still owns the rights, Buzz just licensed tracks... Martin exactly. Carl would not have to bootleg his own compilation. all licensing contracts state how long the licensing agreement will be in effect and what territories they cover. if you have your own label its best to maintain the rights to press in your own territory. in most cases the agreements are in effect for 60 months (five years) with the licensors rights and claims to the recordings expiring after that time. I've even seen some contracts for as little as 6 months :^) after the agreed upon time the artist/owner (licensee) is free to do with the master recordings what he or she wants in all territories (re-release, remix, re-license to someone else, bury in a landfill in Arizona). there are many other legal stipulations to licensing but I only mean to address why there is no need for Carl to bootleg this compilation. sean deason: contract killer
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If he had of, then surely he's have made a better job of it, and done a press release like the 69 represses. I don't think there was a single person who didn't know 69 was going to be repressed. p -Original Message- From: quest pond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2004 10:23 To: matrix313; Martin Dust; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) bad pressing alert Thanks everyone. How do we know Carl didn't re-release this copy then? Might be a silly question sorry, its just everyone is saying bootleg but i'm wondering. Quest -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2004 19:03 To: Martin Dust; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) bad pressing alert on 5/6/04 5:38 AM, Martin Dust at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what happens to the rights of defunct record lables like Buzz? Could Carl bootleg his own release? Carl still owns the rights, Buzz just licensed tracks... Martin exactly. Carl would not have to bootleg his own compilation. all licensing contracts state how long the licensing agreement will be in effect and what territories they cover. if you have your own label its best to maintain the rights to press in your own territory. in most cases the agreements are in effect for 60 months (five years) with the licensors rights and claims to the recordings expiring after that time. I've even seen some contracts for as little as 6 months :^) after the agreed upon time the artist/owner (licensee) is free to do with the master recordings what he or she wants in all territories (re-release, remix, re-license to someone else, bury in a landfill in Arizona). there are many other legal stipulations to licensing but I only mean to address why there is no need for Carl to bootleg this compilation. sean deason: contract killer
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How do we know Carl didn't re-release this copy then? Might be a silly question sorry, its just everyone is saying bootleg but i'm wondering. Well, just guessing again, but I would presume that Carl could get it mastered properly from his master tapes, and would have no need to brand it as a Buzz thing, he could just repress them all on Planet E with a nice new posh sleeve. He doesn't need the Buzz tag to sell those tracks to the peeps for sure. See last years Planet E re-issue of As Time Goes By, or Urban Tribe's Covert Action as an example (was it time goes by? can't remember!) I also presume that the retroactive stuff never gets re-pressed because him and Damon Booker no longer work together, which of course is a shame as I still need Retroactive001 - I got the rest : p But I know nothing of that situation, apart from all the daft rumours you hear. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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See last years Planet E re-issue of As Time Goes By, or Urban Tribe's Covert Action as an example (was it time goes by? can't remember!) Not 'Time Goes By' IRRC. By the way, 'Covert Action' repress was slightly inferior in sound quality to the original (on the EP with 'Eastward') to my ears. Remember the early 90s, when pressing 4 or even more tracks per side was common for LPs (check out many Trax LPs licensed to PRT, etc)? Whilst there was some weakness in volume, it's nowhere near as bad as the repress in question sounds. So it is definitely a duffer. (Is this in html? Outlook got upgraded overnight) k
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See last years Planet E re-issue of As Time Goes By, or Urban Tribe's Covert Action as an example (was it time goes by? can't remember!) Not 'Time Goes By' IRRC. Yeah, it was - the 12 included A Wonderful Life and As Time Goes By (Sitting Under a Tree)... see http://www.discogs.com/release/51747 Cheers, Tom
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Just what I was afraid of sigh! k -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:01 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; Alex Bond; 313 Subject: Re: (313) bad pressing alert See last years Planet E re-issue of As Time Goes By, or Urban Tribe's Covert Action as an example (was it time goes by? can't remember!) Not 'Time Goes By' IRRC. Yeah, it was - the 12 included A Wonderful Life and As Time Goes By (Sitting Under a Tree)... see http://www.discogs.com/release/51747 http://www.discogs.com/release/51747 Cheers, Tom
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Remember the early 90s, when pressing 4 or even more tracks per side was common for LPs (check out many Trax LPs licensed to PRT, etc)? Whilst there was some weakness in volume, it's nowhere near as bad as the repress in question sounds. So it is definitely a duffer. I agree. I'm not the big fan some are of spreading recordings over more and more pieces of vinyl till you get CDs spread over 4 (or 2 x 4 packs, 'surely not'? - Reprazent's first album) packs of vinyl. OK maybe I'm just old and still think in terms of what came out on a single piece of vinyl in the 70s or 80s as an album, but I have some of those that weigh in at 35 mins a side and while I'm not pretending they're really suitable for modern DJ/club use you can mix with them, normalise the level from them without running out of mixer gain control and most importantly they sound good, better than the poorer of today's bootlegs. I know some people want everything pressed at increasingly higher levels but there's a limit to how much you can deflect a stylus by before you encounter problems (a limit that is sometimes passed on current pressings). So don't while some may not like anything over 15 mins on one side it still has a kind of appeal to me when I see a current artist album (Dwele, Ms. Dynamite) released on single vinyl rather than a multi pack. I can drop it on my turntable and start making my tea or relax with a book without having to turn it over every 7 minutes! I can fit more music in my box too. Francis-looking-forward-to-Basic-Channel-for-his-birthday
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Yehaw! Looky'dere folks! Alex One Shot Bond is back in town to rustle up all you scaly snake bootleggers and chase you out of town like a mean dog after a school girl. An if there any of you sly song stealin' vinyl stampers left he's gunna shoot'cha right between your pearly blues. Go get 'em One Shot! ;) __ hmm, bootleggers who bootleg techno? need shooting in my opinion - it's not as if any artist in techno makes enough money to live on (except for maybe a very small minority). get back to ripping off chemical bros remixes of coldplay or something, you bunch of f**king no-mark pikey motherf**kers and leave 'our' music alone. c**ts. sorry for the swearing, I know there's ladies present. I hope you forgive my foul mouth. Alex *in a top mood*
