Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
art is imitation--this doesnt mean that people dont imitate unconsciously or indirectly on deeper levels-- who's arrogant or just simply in a bad mood here? every ripple has its source! Wonderfully said!! darw_n... ... :i: explore. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
art is imitation--this doesnt mean that people dont imitate unconsciously or indirectly on deeper levels-- who's arrogant or just simply in a bad mood here? every ripple has its source! That's a great way of rationalizing what was clearly an arrogant statement. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com/ | 877.741.3571 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
- Original Message - From: Alexander Ohanyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! art is imitation--this doesnt mean that people dont imitate unconsciously or indirectly on deeper levels-- who's arrogant or just simply in a bad mood here? every ripple has its source! so you are saying only derrick, juan and kevin should play the demf? Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
and what May should realize, along with *many* of us, is exactly what the original poster said... Art IS imitation, and every ripple has its source... darw_n... Couldn't agree more! Some people think it all magically started in Detroit and everything after that is a copy-style. Early techno itself is a copy-style of a number of things and I've never heard Kraftwerk claim to be the be-all-end-all of techno. Groet, Paul _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
It`s not the first time Derrick said things like that, he even said that a lot of the artist from Detroit that came after him and Kev and Juan were just doing it for the money. Although that might be true in some cases it`s a really bad attitude. John, from NY, out From: Paul Coomans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:40:25 +0200 and what May should realize, along with *many* of us, is exactly what the original poster said... Art IS imitation, and every ripple has its source... darw_n... Couldn't agree more! Some people think it all magically started in Detroit and everything after that is a copy-style. Early techno itself is a copy-style of a number of things and I've never heard Kraftwerk claim to be the be-all-end-all of techno. Groet, Paul _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Carl Craig Fired!
A HREF=http://www.detroitfreepress.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm; Producers pull plug on festival director/A - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
I think my biggest concern is that SFX will have more say in the line-up next year. Personally, I think SFX is pure evil. ~Jessica Staller Pittsburgh, PA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
What I think is that this forum should be used for constructive debate not 'told you so' snipe [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 05/11/2001 11:23:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: Paul Matheson/US/BBHComm) Subject: Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! From The Detroit Free Press: Several of Detroit's pioneering techno musicians met with Craig in April at the office of Derrick May, the Detroit DJ scheduled to play the festival's closing set. They included May, Stacey Pullen and Kevin Saunderson, who asked Craig to include more Detroit artists on the bill. 'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' /// Not to say I told you so, but as I recall when I was commenting on this list about the lineup a few weeks ago, saying I didn't feel it was extremely representative of Detroit talent, I feel I was getting hated on a little. Matter of fact, noone really wanted to touch that topic that much at all, which is one that I felt was certainly worth discussing on a 313 list. It's almost as if people didn't want to dare question the holy DEMF and Carl Craig. But now here it is, from the mouth of the prodigal son of techno himself, Mr. Derrick May. And it seems that Carl Craig is on the out and out with this festival anyway. What do y'all think now? - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by UUNET delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.uk.uu.net/products/security/virus/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
Hey, Not to say I told you so, but as I recall when I was commenting on this list about the lineup a few weeks ago, saying I didn't feel it was extremely representative of Detroit talent, I feel I was getting hated on a little. Matter of fact, noone really wanted to touch that topic that much at all, which is one that I felt was certainly worth discussing on a 313 list. It's almost as if people didn't want to dare question the holy DEMF and Carl Craig. But now here it is, from the mouth of the prodigal son of techno himself, Mr. Derrick May. And it seems that Carl Craig is on the out and out with this festival anyway. What do y'all think now? I dunno what you're talking about... What about the Conspiracy Theory post by Logavo or did you miss that? I dunno how long you've been on this list but you'd better realise, people won't acknowledge you unless you stand out. I'm rude to people and I question what people class as accepted, that's how I get a response. It's not the best way tho... Better just to make very good posts... Later, Nick:) Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' I was going to point out this quote as well... who the hell on that lineup does derrick may consider an imitator? True, it's not detroit talent. But I don't see anyone on there that I'd even remotely call a detroit imitator. It almost sounds like he's trying to imply that anything not from detroit is inherently an imitation. I'd like to think he doesn't have his head that far up his ass, but it's hard to see what else he'd mean. True, the lineup isn't as representative of detroit talent as it was last year, but I'd hardly call anyone on there an imitator. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
I think my biggest concern is that SFX will have more say in the line-up next year. Personally, I think SFX is pure evil. This is so true. Nobody has mentioned the fact that Carl Craig is not too happy about the incident. In the article he would not comment as to whether or not he was going to take legal action. This is an obvious attempt for SFX and other big parties involved to gain getter control over the festival, through the creative process, making it more commercially viable, and therefore milk the cow for all its worth. Did anyone else find it funny that none of the performers are listed in Ford's massive ad campaign? John _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
okay. Ive been trying to stay out of it, but this comment has drawn me in. you shouldnt just accept what you read or are spoon fed by the media as truth. theres *always* more to a story than what youre told in the paper. I'm contantly reading the paper with a smirk or scepticism. I always read stories wondering about what it is they're *not* telling us. this is one of those cases. yes there was some behind the scenes stuff going on which was touched upon in the article (way more than you can imagine!) Rememeber this :History is written by the victors. He who controls the information controls the power. In America we have what is called The American Revolution in our history books. I'd bet in the British history books it's called The Colonial Riots or The Colonialist Uprising. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! From The Detroit Free Press: Several of Detroit's pioneering techno musicians met with Craig in April at the office of Derrick May, the Detroit DJ scheduled to play the festival's closing set. They included May, Stacey Pullen and Kevin Saunderson, who asked Craig to include more Detroit artists on the bill. 'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' /// Not to say I told you so, but as I recall when I was commenting on this list about the lineup a few weeks ago, saying I didn't feel it was extremely representative of Detroit talent, I feel I was getting hated on a little. Matter of fact, noone really wanted to touch that topic that much at all, which is one that I felt was certainly worth discussing on a 313 list. It's almost as if people didn't want to dare question the holy DEMF and Carl Craig. But now here it is, from the mouth of the prodigal son of techno himself, Mr. Derrick May. And it seems that Carl Craig is on the out and out with this festival anyway. What do y'all think now? - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
. Did anyone else find it funny that none of the performers are listed in Ford's massive ad campaign? John Yes! I've noticed and i guess more power to them, but it is quite dis- heartening. I certainly hope Carl Craig takes action against them for breech of contract, but we don't know what his contract entails. I will say, I was disappointed that Alan (T1000) wasn't invited to perform either year, but that's another subject I will not get into. ~Jess Pittsburgh, PA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
actually, we call it the war of independance. which is pretty flattering;) - Original Message - From: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: RE: [313] Carl Craig Fired! okay. Ive been trying to stay out of it, but this comment has drawn me in. you shouldnt just accept what you read or are spoon fed by the media as truth. theres *always* more to a story than what youre told in the paper. I'm contantly reading the paper with a smirk or scepticism. I always read stories wondering about what it is they're *not* telling us. this is one of those cases. yes there was some behind the scenes stuff going on which was touched upon in the article (way more than you can imagine!) Rememeber this :History is written by the victors. He who controls the information controls the power. In America we have what is called The American Revolution in our history books. I'd bet in the British history books it's called The Colonial Riots or The Colonialist Uprising. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! From The Detroit Free Press: Several of Detroit's pioneering techno musicians met with Craig in April at the office of Derrick May, the Detroit DJ scheduled to play the festival's closing set. They included May, Stacey Pullen and Kevin Saunderson, who asked Craig to include more Detroit artists on the bill. 'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' /// Not to say I told you so, but as I recall when I was commenting on this list about the lineup a few weeks ago, saying I didn't feel it was extremely representative of Detroit talent, I feel I was getting hated on a little. Matter of fact, noone really wanted to touch that topic that much at all, which is one that I felt was certainly worth discussing on a 313 list. It's almost as if people didn't want to dare question the holy DEMF and Carl Craig. But now here it is, from the mouth of the prodigal son of techno himself, Mr. Derrick May. And it seems that Carl Craig is on the out and out with this festival anyway. What do y'all think now? - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
actually, it's known as the american war of independence From: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Carl Craig Fired! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:59:50 -0400 okay. Ive been trying to stay out of it, but this comment has drawn me in. you shouldnt just accept what you read or are spoon fed by the media as truth. theres *always* more to a story than what youre told in the paper. I'm contantly reading the paper with a smirk or scepticism. I always read stories wondering about what it is they're *not* telling us. this is one of those cases. yes there was some behind the scenes stuff going on which was touched upon in the article (way more than you can imagine!) Rememeber this :History is written by the victors. He who controls the information controls the power. In America we have what is called The American Revolution in our history books. I'd bet in the British history books it's called The Colonial Riots or The Colonialist Uprising. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! From The Detroit Free Press: Several of Detroit's pioneering techno musicians met with Craig in April at the office of Derrick May, the Detroit DJ scheduled to play the festival's closing set. They included May, Stacey Pullen and Kevin Saunderson, who asked Craig to include more Detroit artists on the bill. 'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' /// Not to say I told you so, but as I recall when I was commenting on this list about the lineup a few weeks ago, saying I didn't feel it was extremely representative of Detroit talent, I feel I was getting hated on a little. Matter of fact, noone really wanted to touch that topic that much at all, which is one that I felt was certainly worth discussing on a 313 list. It's almost as if people didn't want to dare question the holy DEMF and Carl Craig. But now here it is, from the mouth of the prodigal son of techno himself, Mr. Derrick May. And it seems that Carl Craig is on the out and out with this festival anyway. What do y'all think now? - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
Did anyone else find it funny that none of the performers are listed in Ford's massive ad campaign? Yes! I've noticed and i guess more power to them, but it is quite dis- heartening. where the hell would they put them all? there's like 60 performers! They'd have to be in like 8 point type to fit them all in any sort of print ad. I'm pretty sure it was a conscious decision to list the performers in alphabetical order such that there's no hierarchy of headliners vs supporting acts, so that makes it a little hard for ad designers to pick out a select few to put in an ad. If carl craig, as creative director, had decided to highlight a few performers as headliners, then I'm sure they would've been mentioned in ad campaigns. I know you're all looking for every chance to demonize ford for their involvement, but i think this is more grasping at straws than anything. Why don't you wait and see how things turn out? Then if it sucks afterwards, complain all you want. I might even join in. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
Thanks Sean, that is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. We do not have all the facts, maybe Carol Marvin is right, maybe she is trying to jack the festival. We do not really know yet, do we? From: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Carl Craig Fired! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:59:50 -0400 okay. Ive been trying to stay out of it, but this comment has drawn me in. you shouldnt just accept what you read or are spoon fed by the media as truth. theres *always* more to a story than what youre told in the paper. I'm contantly reading the paper with a smirk or scepticism. I always read stories wondering about what it is they're *not* telling us. this is one of those cases. yes there was some behind the scenes stuff going on which was touched upon in the article (way more than you can imagine!) Rememeber this :History is written by the victors. He who controls the information controls the power. In America we have what is called The American Revolution in our history books. I'd bet in the British history books it's called The Colonial Riots or The Colonialist Uprising. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! From The Detroit Free Press: Several of Detroit's pioneering techno musicians met with Craig in April at the office of Derrick May, the Detroit DJ scheduled to play the festival's closing set. They included May, Stacey Pullen and Kevin Saunderson, who asked Craig to include more Detroit artists on the bill. 'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' /// Not to say I told you so, but as I recall when I was commenting on this list about the lineup a few weeks ago, saying I didn't feel it was extremely representative of Detroit talent, I feel I was getting hated on a little. Matter of fact, noone really wanted to touch that topic that much at all, which is one that I felt was certainly worth discussing on a 313 list. It's almost as if people didn't want to dare question the holy DEMF and Carl Craig. But now here it is, from the mouth of the prodigal son of techno himself, Mr. Derrick May. And it seems that Carl Craig is on the out and out with this festival anyway. What do y'all think now? - This message was sent via the Ulsternet webmail system. http://www.ulster.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
From: Jess Staller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:00:33 -0400 (EDT) . Did anyone else find it funny that none of the performers are listed in Ford's massive ad campaign? Perhaps its because they weren't confirmed??? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] What do y'all think now? I think this post made you look like a tool. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com NOTE: mp3.com has now removed my artist page. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Derrick May an arrogant prick! Re: [313] Carl Craig Fired!
art is imitation--this doesnt mean that people dont imitate unconsciously or indirectly on deeper levels-- who's arrogant or just simply in a bad mood here? every ripple has its source! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'We let him know that we are one, and he has our support, but we just want Detroit to be recognized at the festival, said May. Everybody's coming here to be down with the source -- not the people who imitate the source.' I was going to point out this quote as well... who the hell on that lineup does derrick may consider an imitator? True, it's not detroit talent. But I don't see anyone on there that I'd even remotely call a detroit imitator. It almost sounds like he's trying to imply that anything not from detroit is inherently an imitation. I'd like to think he doesn't have his head that far up his ass, but it's hard to see what else he'd mean. True, the lineup isn't as representative of detroit talent as it was last year, but I'd hardly call anyone on there an imitator. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
