Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread robin


On 23 Apr 2008, at 14:53, Kowalsky wrote:

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995


Nice, and I'm not normally a big dubstep fan (I don't dislike it, more  
I prefer other styles).


robin...


Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Paul
I djed with him a few months back.. he  was doing 2562 / a made up sound 
djing set which encompassed house, techno, bits of dubstep  and all 
manner of thingsall nicely mixed up...  and a really nice guy as well...


p

robin wrote:


On 23 Apr 2008, at 14:53, Kowalsky wrote:

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995


Nice, and I'm not normally a big dubstep fan (I don't dislike it, more 
I prefer other styles).


robin...






Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread robin


On 23 Apr 2008, at 15:44, Paul wrote:
I djed with him a few months back.. he  was doing 2562 / a made up  
sound djing set which encompassed house, techno, bits of dubstep   
and all manner of thingsall nicely mixed up...  and a really  
nice guy as well...


Interesting. I'd like to hear a mix like that.

robin...


RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Mann, Ravinder
Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . . 

http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3

1. likhan - uwill
2. pinch - 136 trek
3. likhan - terre
4. pangaea - nest
5. untold - test signal
6. appleblim & peverelist - circling
7. scuba - outmost
8. peverelist - the grind
9. scuba - inmost
10. scuba - beta
11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)
12. 2562 - circulate
13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison
14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
15. 2562 - kameleon
16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)
17. 2562 - channel two
18. ramadanman - carla
19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz
20. headhunter - locus lotus

Rav


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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
>  Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .
>
>  http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3
>
>  1. likhan - uwill
>  2. pinch - 136 trek
>  3. likhan - terre
>  4. pangaea - nest
>  5. untold - test signal
>  6. appleblim & peverelist - circling
>  7. scuba - outmost
>  8. peverelist - the grind
>  9. scuba - inmost
>  10. scuba - beta
>  11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)
>  12. 2562 - circulate
>  13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison
>  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
>  15. 2562 - kameleon
>  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)
>  17. 2562 - channel two
>  18. ramadanman - carla
>  19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz
>  20. headhunter - locus lotus
>
>  Rav
>
>
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>
>
>  dave huismans ole!
>
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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Nik Stoltzman
Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back? Wouldn't 
people call that
dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.

When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other music - 
I just like good
music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do you have a particular sound or 
artist in mind? Or
do you literally not think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you 
won't have heard? ;)

Personally, I can't get enough of Elemental & 3D - Blob at the moment. Love it.

N



> i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
> how much people are on its jock.
>
> tom
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
>>  Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .
>>
>>  http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3
>>
>>  1. likhan - uwill
>>  2. pinch - 136 trek
>>  3. likhan - terre
>>  4. pangaea - nest
>>  5. untold - test signal
>>  6. appleblim & peverelist - circling
>>  7. scuba - outmost
>>  8. peverelist - the grind
>>  9. scuba - inmost
>>  10. scuba - beta
>>  11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)
>>  12. 2562 - circulate
>>  13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison
>>  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
>>  15. 2562 - kameleon
>>  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)
>>  17. 2562 - channel two
>>  18. ramadanman - carla
>>  19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz
>>  20. headhunter - locus lotus
>>
>>  Rav
>>
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00
>>  To: [313]
>>  Cc: Kowalsky
>>  Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
>>
>>
>>  dave huismans ole!
>>
>>  Kowalsky schreef:
>>  > http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995
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RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Taylor
Burial isn't really dubstep - it's too wet and soft 


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-Original Message-
From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:19
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back?
Wouldn't people call that dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.

When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other
music - I just like good music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do
you have a particular sound or artist in mind? Or do you literally not
think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you won't have
heard? ;)

Personally, I can't get enough of Elemental & 3D - Blob at the moment.
Love it.

N



> i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end 
> how much people are on its jock.
>
> tom
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle

>> Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .
>>
>>  http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3
>>
>>  1. likhan - uwill
>>  2. pinch - 136 trek
>>  3. likhan - terre
>>  4. pangaea - nest
>>  5. untold - test signal
>>  6. appleblim & peverelist - circling  7. scuba - outmost  8. 
>> peverelist - the grind  9. scuba - inmost  10. scuba - beta  11. 
>> peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)  12. 2562 - circulate

>> 13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk  
>> 15. 2562 - kameleon  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)  17. 
>> 2562 - channel two  18. ramadanman - carla  19. kode 9 vs. badawi - 
>> den of drumz  20. headhunter - locus lotus
>>
>>  Rav
>>
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00
>>  To: [313]
>>  Cc: Kowalsky
>>  Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
>>
>>
>>  dave huismans ole!
>>
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RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Nik Stoltzman
Silly me!

So what defines dubstep? Hard and edgy? Firm and moist? Turgid?


> Burial isn't really dubstep - it's too wet and soft
>
>
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> From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 23 April 2008 16:19
> To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
>
> Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back?
> Wouldn't people call that dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.
>
> When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other
> music - I just like good music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do
> you have a particular sound or artist in mind? Or do you literally not
> think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you won't have
> heard? ;)
>
> Personally, I can't get enough of Elemental & 3D - Blob at the moment.
> Love it.
>
> N
>
>
>
>> i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
>> how much people are on its jock.
>>
>> tom
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
>
>>> Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .
>>>
>>>  http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3
>>>
>>>  1. likhan - uwill
>>>  2. pinch - 136 trek
>>>  3. likhan - terre
>>>  4. pangaea - nest
>>>  5. untold - test signal
>>>  6. appleblim & peverelist - circling  7. scuba - outmost  8.
>>> peverelist - the grind  9. scuba - inmost  10. scuba - beta  11.
>>> peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)  12. 2562 - circulate
>
>>> 13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
>>> 15. 2562 - kameleon  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)  17.
>>> 2562 - channel two  18. ramadanman - carla  19. kode 9 vs. badawi -
>>> den of drumz  20. headhunter - locus lotus
>>>
>>>  Rav
>>>
>>>
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>>>  Cc: Kowalsky
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>>>
>>>
>>>  dave huismans ole!
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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Nik Stoltzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back? Wouldn't 
> people call that
>  dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.

nah, that is 2-step. it really has no connection in beat patterns,
sound pallette, or feel to anything in the dubstep genre, it shares
many of those things with 2-step records though.

>  When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other 
> music - I just like good
>  music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do you have a particular sound 
> or artist in mind? Or
>  do you literally not think much of a whole tranche of music much of which 
> you won't have heard? ;)

i like exactly none of it. most of it is either too angry, too boring,
or just ridiculous sounding. i guess i dont mind the original "blood
on my hands" by shackleton but its not good enough that i went out and
bought it. and that is only one track!

tom


RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Taylor
I dunno - phat basslines for sure, slo-mo beats too - like a junglist
trying to wade through treacle 


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-Original Message-
From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:22
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

Silly me!

So what defines dubstep? Hard and edgy? Firm and moist? Turgid?


> Burial isn't really dubstep - it's too wet and soft
>
>
> Rob Taylor
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> -Original Message-
> From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 23 April 2008 16:19
> To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
>
> Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back?
> Wouldn't people call that dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.
>
> When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any 
> other music - I just like good music. When you say you don't like 
> dubstep, do you have a particular sound or artist in mind? Or do you 
> literally not think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you

> won't have heard? ;)
>
> Personally, I can't get enough of Elemental & 3D - Blob at the moment.
> Love it.
>
> N
>
>
>
>> i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end 
>> how much people are on its jock.
>>
>> tom
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
>
>>> Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .
>>>
>>>  http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3
>>>
>>>  1. likhan - uwill
>>>  2. pinch - 136 trek
>>>  3. likhan - terre
>>>  4. pangaea - nest
>>>  5. untold - test signal
>>>  6. appleblim & peverelist - circling  7. scuba - outmost  8.
>>> peverelist - the grind  9. scuba - inmost  10. scuba - beta  11.
>>> peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)  12. 2562 - circulate
>
>>> 13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk 
>>> 15. 2562 - kameleon  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)  17.
>>> 2562 - channel two  18. ramadanman - carla  19. kode 9 vs. badawi - 
>>> den of drumz  20. headhunter - locus lotus
>>>
>>>  Rav
>>>
>>>
>>>  -Original Message-
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>>>  Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00
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>>>  Cc: Kowalsky
>>>  Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
>>>
>>>
>>>  dave huismans ole!
>>>
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RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Mann, Ravinder
next dj kicks mix is going to be burial

'We hear whisperings from the studio that he may treat his dearest
dubstep, techno and even r'n'b tracks with his unique production style
before mixing them with exclusive material and... well watch this space'



-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:04
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread


i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
>  Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .
>
>  http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3
>
>  1. likhan - uwill
>  2. pinch - 136 trek
>  3. likhan - terre
>  4. pangaea - nest
>  5. untold - test signal
>  6. appleblim & peverelist - circling
>  7. scuba - outmost
>  8. peverelist - the grind
>  9. scuba - inmost
>  10. scuba - beta
>  11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)
>  12. 2562 - circulate
>  13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison
>  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
>  15. 2562 - kameleon
>  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)
>  17. 2562 - channel two
>  18. ramadanman - carla
>  19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz
>  20. headhunter - locus lotus
>
>  Rav
>
>
>  -Original Message-----
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>  Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00
>  To: [313]
>  Cc: Kowalsky
>  Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread
>
>
>  dave huismans ole!
>
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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Mann, Ravinder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> next dj kicks mix is going to be burial
>
>  'We hear whisperings from the studio that he may treat his dearest
>  dubstep, techno and even r'n'b tracks with his unique production style
>  before mixing them with exclusive material and... well watch this space'

yeah i saw that the other day, should be very interesting.

tom


RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Toby Frith

I would suspect that once the likes of the Wire and Boomkat-deriven shops stop 
enthusing over it so wildly and let it run its course, the genre might actually 
become interesting, because it doesn't really deserve the fawning it receives 
right now. 

That's not to say there's nothing good in the genre, but the slavish drivel 
that is written about it by some people about it just puts me off. 





-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:25
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread


On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Nik Stoltzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back? Wouldn't 
> people call that
>  dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.

nah, that is 2-step. it really has no connection in beat patterns,
sound pallette, or feel to anything in the dubstep genre, it shares
many of those things with 2-step records though.

>  When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other 
> music - I just like good
>  music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do you have a particular sound 
> or artist in mind? Or
>  do you literally not think much of a whole tranche of music much of which 
> you won't have heard? ;)

i like exactly none of it. most of it is either too angry, too boring,
or just ridiculous sounding. i guess i dont mind the original "blood
on my hands" by shackleton but its not good enough that i went out and
bought it. and that is only one track!

tom


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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Kowalsky
I agree about boomkat. Their reviews are awful. Everything is  
wonderful, essential. Everything is limited. They love to hype over  
unknown artists releases and speculate it's an aphex twin release if  
it has the word "window" on the title. Ridiculous.


On 23/04/2008, at 12:31, Toby Frith wrote:



I would suspect that once the likes of the Wire and Boomkat-deriven  
shops stop enthusing over it so wildly and let it run its course,  
the genre might actually become interesting, because it doesn't  
really deserve the fawning it receives right now.


That's not to say there's nothing good in the genre, but the  
slavish drivel that is written about it by some people about it  
just puts me off.






-Original Message-
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:25
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread


On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Nik Stoltzman  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back?  
Wouldn't people call that

 dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.


nah, that is 2-step. it really has no connection in beat patterns,
sound pallette, or feel to anything in the dubstep genre, it shares
many of those things with 2-step records though.

 When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any  
other music - I just like good
 music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do you have a  
particular sound or artist in mind? Or
 do you literally not think much of a whole tranche of music much  
of which you won't have heard? ;)


i like exactly none of it. most of it is either too angry, too boring,
or just ridiculous sounding. i guess i dont mind the original "blood
on my hands" by shackleton but its not good enough that i went out and
bought it. and that is only one track!

tom


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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Martin Dust


On 23 Apr 2008, at 17:16, Kowalsky wrote:

I agree about boomkat. Their reviews are awful. Everything is  
wonderful, essential. Everything is limited. They love to hype over  
unknown artists releases and speculate it's an aphex twin release if  
it has the word "window" on the title. Ridiculous.



Out of interest, what do you expect them to say? This release is sh1t ;)

m


RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Odeluga, Ken
They do have a spattering of 'this record stinks' reviews.

This makes them look even dumber, in my book!

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:19 PM
To: [313]
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread



On 23 Apr 2008, at 17:16, Kowalsky wrote:

> I agree about boomkat. Their reviews are awful. Everything is
> wonderful, essential. Everything is limited. They love to hype over  
> unknown artists releases and speculate it's an aphex twin release if  
> it has the word "window" on the title. Ridiculous.


Out of interest, what do you expect them to say? This release is sh1t ;)

m


Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Kowalsky
You mean what i expect a record store to say? I expect they do what  
they do, they wanna sell records and make the hype lovers believe  
they're really into something.
But that's annoying. I wouldn't do like that if i had a record shop.  
Guess i would be a bad record seller. :)


On 23/04/2008, at 13:18, Martin Dust wrote:



On 23 Apr 2008, at 17:16, Kowalsky wrote:

I agree about boomkat. Their reviews are awful. Everything is  
wonderful, essential. Everything is limited. They love to hype  
over unknown artists releases and speculate it's an aphex twin  
release if it has the word "window" on the title. Ridiculous.



Out of interest, what do you expect them to say? This release is  
sh1t ;)


m





Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Kowalsky

Dubstep is the new psytrance? I mean: ???

On 23/04/2008, at 14:59, J.C. wrote:


It's the new Psytrance, remember.

Even with that as the case though, there have been SOME tracks that  
have moved me.  MOST though. ;)


On 23 April 2008, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:


i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom




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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Frank Glazer
wha???

as a former psytrance dj who can still appreciate it to some extent
(shutup tom;) i fail to see any comparison at all between the two,
except perhaps that you really need to be on massive quantities of
drugs to "get" either one.

i hate dubstep though.  i have a soft nostalgic spot in my heart for
psytrance, but god damn is it way too fast for me now, and it has
gotten much worse than it used to be, in general.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:59 PM, J.C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's the new Psytrance, remember.
>
>  Even with that as the case though, there have been SOME tracks that have
> moved me.  MOST though. ;)
>
>
>
>  On 23 April 2008, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
>
>
> > i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
> > how much people are on its jock.
> >
> > tom
> >
> >
>
>
>  --
>  San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ:
>  http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php
>  AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.)
>
>  "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of
>  KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.)
>



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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Kowalsky
Still disagree. The dubstep public has got nothing to do with the  
psytrance public. The psytrance public is the average public that  
receives information only thru mainstream "channels". The public is  
that guy who wants to go to a crazy rave, to a crowded place with  
frenetic music going on.

At least here, in Brasil, and, as far as i know, in Europe and US too.

On 23/04/2008, at 15:56, J.C. wrote:


Referring to the fan base when I put that out there. :)

Must not be as obvious in some communities as it is on the west coast.

On 23 April 2008, Kowalsky wrote:


Dubstep is the new psytrance? I mean: ???

On 23/04/2008, at 14:59, J.C. wrote:


It's the new Psytrance, remember.




--
San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best  
Radio DJ:

http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php
AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.)

"Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of
KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.)





Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Frank Glazer
Brasil must be a very interesting place if the average public listens
to psytrance and psytrance is considered mainstream.

Granted, psytrance has changed a lot since 99-2001 when i was into it,
but i still can't imagine it being mainstream.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Still disagree. The dubstep public has got nothing to do with the psytrance
> public. The psytrance public is the average public that receives information
> only thru mainstream "channels". The public is that guy who wants to go to a
> crazy rave, to a crowded place with frenetic music going on.
>  At least here, in Brasil, and, as far as i know, in Europe and US too.
>
>
>
>  On 23/04/2008, at 15:56, J.C. wrote:
>
>
> > Referring to the fan base when I put that out there. :)
> >
> > Must not be as obvious in some communities as it is on the west coast.
> >
> > On 23 April 2008, Kowalsky wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Dubstep is the new psytrance? I mean: ???
> > >
> > > On 23/04/2008, at 14:59, J.C. wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's the new Psytrance, remember.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ:
> > http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php
> > AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.)
> >
> > "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of
> > KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.)
> >
> >
>
>



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RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Interesting.  They have a totally different crowd here in the UK.


> From: J.C. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 23 April 2008 19:57
> 
> Referring to the fan base when I put that out there. :)
> 
> Must not be as obvious in some communities as it is on the west coast.
> 
> On 23 April 2008, Kowalsky wrote:
> 
> > Dubstep is the new psytrance? I mean: ???



Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Frank Glazer
this doesn't sound anything at all like the dubstep that i've heard.
sounds like techno to me.  and i like it.

2008/4/23 Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995
>



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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Kowalsky
Psytrance raves, here, are megaevents attended by the average high  
school bunch.


Kw

On 23/04/2008, at 16:34, Frank Glazer wrote:


Brasil must be a very interesting place if the average public listens
to psytrance and psytrance is considered mainstream.

Granted, psytrance has changed a lot since 99-2001 when i was into it,
but i still can't imagine it being mainstream.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:
Still disagree. The dubstep public has got nothing to do with the  
psytrance
public. The psytrance public is the average public that receives  
information
only thru mainstream "channels". The public is that guy who wants  
to go to a

crazy rave, to a crowded place with frenetic music going on.
 At least here, in Brasil, and, as far as i know, in Europe and US  
too.




 On 23/04/2008, at 15:56, J.C. wrote:



Referring to the fan base when I put that out there. :)

Must not be as obvious in some communities as it is on the west  
coast.


On 23 April 2008, Kowalsky wrote:



Dubstep is the new psytrance? I mean: ???

On 23/04/2008, at 14:59, J.C. wrote:



It's the new Psytrance, remember.







--
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Radio DJ:

http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php
AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.)

"Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of
KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.)









--
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frank

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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-23 Thread Kowalsky

It has more a garage shaped beat than a half tempo dubstep beat.
But it's a styles crossover, anyway.

Kw

On 24/04/2008, at 01:00, Frank Glazer wrote:


this doesn't sound anything at all like the dubstep that i've heard.
sounds like techno to me.  and i like it.

2008/4/23 Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995





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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread darnistle
You don't need to be on drugs to appreciate psytrance, though the music 
may "click" more if you've experienced the drugs and can relate to the 
headspace the music comes from.  Same is probably true of any musical 
form that is closely linked to certain drugs (dub and pot, gabber and 
speed, etc)


Personally, I loved psychedelic trance when it was goa and the music was 
coming from an LSD and mushrooms headspace.  As it morphed into 
psytrance, the whole feel of the music changed and lost much of what 
first caught my interest.  Suomisaundi is really the only style in that 
scene that still inspires me with its musical abandon and sense of humor.


Dubstep seems to have gotten as staid and singular as psytrance did.  I 
loved the whole 2Step sound and like the early dubstep that still showed 
its perky 2Step roots, but now much of the dubstep I've heard is a 
dreary sludgefest and all too similar sounding.  This style of music 
could be so much more fun than most of it is.


Its like a macho-man mentality crept in and got rid of all the bouncy 
and perky "girlie" aspects of 2Step to focus on being harder, darker and 
skankier than the next guy.


I can't really think of that same mindset showing up in Detroit techno. 
 Perhaps my perspective is limited, but even when it is very hard, dark 
and minimal I don't get the same "macho boys club" feeling from Detroit 
techno.  When I lived in Ann Arbor and clubbed in Detroit, I didn't get 
that sense overall from the music I heard.


Is it just me, or has the Detroit techno scene managed to sidestep the 
"macho boys club" musical mentality that seems to eventually plague most 
other scenes?


{}0+>|


Frank Glazer wrote:

wha???

as a former psytrance dj who can still appreciate it to some extent
(shutup tom;) i fail to see any comparison at all between the two,
except perhaps that you really need to be on massive quantities of
drugs to "get" either one.

i hate dubstep though.  i have a soft nostalgic spot in my heart for
psytrance, but god damn is it way too fast for me now, and it has
gotten much worse than it used to be, in general.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:59 PM, J.C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's the new Psytrance, remember.

 Even with that as the case though, there have been SOME tracks that have
moved me.  MOST though. ;)



 On 23 April 2008, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:



i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom




 --
 San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ:
 http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php
 AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.)

 "Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of
 KZSU Radio or Stanford University." (or words to that effect.)







RE: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UR?  ;-)

> -Original Message-
> From: darnistle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 26 April 2008 16:16
> 
> Is it just me, or has the Detroit techno scene managed to sidestep the
> "macho boys club" musical mentality that seems to eventually plague
> most
> other scenes?



Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread darnistle
Unfortunately, "hard and edgy" seems seems to be the requirement for 
dubstep now.


However, I would recommend Benga's new album on Tempa, which is not 
stuck in the aforementioned rut! He actually changes up the styles, 
rhythms and moods. The album is really fun to listen and dance to and it 
veers close enough to 2Step


I just picked up the Caspa and Rusko mix (Fabriclive37) and it is 
enjoyable, as long as I don't scrutinize the tracks too much.  Good to 
dance to, not necessarily to sit and listen to.  In some ways it has 
that raw, early rave feel, where the squeeches and squelches manage to 
work in a mix, but the tracks themselves probably wouldn't stand up if 
you had to listen to them in their entirety.


I would consider Burial dubstep.  His first album was like 2Step for 
Goths.  His second album was like dubstep for haunted ravers.  He's soft 
and hard and edgy and turgid and moist and chill and so much more...


I too have been "on dubstep's jock" (to quote Tom) somewhat lately, in 
spite of myself.


{}0+>|


Nik Stoltzman wrote:

Silly me!

So what defines dubstep? Hard and edgy? Firm and moist? Turgid?



Burial isn't really dubstep - it's too wet and soft


Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:19
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back?
Wouldn't people call that dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.

When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any other
music - I just like good music. When you say you don't like dubstep, do
you have a particular sound or artist in mind? Or do you literally not
think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you won't have
heard? ;)

Personally, I can't get enough of Elemental & 3D - Blob at the moment.
Love it.

N




i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .

 http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3

 1. likhan - uwill
 2. pinch - 136 trek
 3. likhan - terre
 4. pangaea - nest
 5. untold - test signal
 6. appleblim & peverelist - circling  7. scuba - outmost  8.
peverelist - the grind  9. scuba - inmost  10. scuba - beta  11.
peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)  12. 2562 - circulate
13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
15. 2562 - kameleon  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)  17.
2562 - channel two  18. ramadanman - carla  19. kode 9 vs. badawi -
den of drumz  20. headhunter - locus lotus

 Rav


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 Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00
 To: [313]
 Cc: Kowalsky
 Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread


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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread Frank Glazer
Oh PLEASE.  I'd hardly call UR a "macho boys club" relative to, say,
techstep.  The UR guys are all about collaboration and community, not
competition and one-upsmanship.  If you think UR is a boys club you
either don't understand what darnistle was getting at, or you REALLY
don't understand UR.

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> UR?  ;-)
>
>
>
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: darnistle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Sent: 26 April 2008 16:16
>  >
>  > Is it just me, or has the Detroit techno scene managed to sidestep the
>  > "macho boys club" musical mentality that seems to eventually plague
>  > most
>  > other scenes?
>
>



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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread Alex Lugo
You really don't understand a ;).

It's sarcasm.

Peace,
Alex

- Original Message 
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To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:22:45 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

Oh PLEASE.  I'd hardly call UR a "macho boys club" relative to, say,
techstep.  The UR guys are all about collaboration and community, not
competition and one-upsmanship.  If you think UR is a boys club you
either don't understand what darnistle was getting at, or you REALLY
don't understand UR.

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> UR?  ;-)
>
>
>
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: darnistle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > Sent: 26 April 2008 16:16
>  >
>  > Is it just me, or has the Detroit techno scene managed to sidestep the
>  > "macho boys club" musical mentality that seems to eventually plague
>  > most
>  > other scenes?
>
>



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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread darnistle

Oh, this is nice!

Even Tom might like it...

{}0+>|


Mann, Ravinder wrote:

Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on Hessle
Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . . 


http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3

1. likhan - uwill
2. pinch - 136 trek
3. likhan - terre
4. pangaea - nest
5. untold - test signal
6. appleblim & peverelist - circling
7. scuba - outmost
8. peverelist - the grind
9. scuba - inmost
10. scuba - beta
11. peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)
12. 2562 - circulate
13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison
14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
15. 2562 - kameleon
16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)
17. 2562 - channel two
18. ramadanman - carla
19. kode 9 vs. badawi - den of drumz
20. headhunter - locus lotus

Rav


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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread Kowalsky
Yes, i agree with you about dubstep. I would not say this in a list  
that's not very dubstep friendly, and i've already said this, for  
sure, in the dubstep forums. In the dubstep forums i stand up to  
other genres, like techno. :-)
The "this" i would not say, but i got to, is: the same downpath that  
drum n' bass traced, dubstep is tracing right now. Producers with no  
sensibility or no feeling are taking their 15 minutes of fame with  
angry wo-wo-wo basslines and agressive drum rolls. The macho thing is  
gonna create a paralysis.


But well... in other way of looking at things, dubstep is not only  
dubstep. Drum n' bass was not only drum n' bass. Jungle was not only  
jungle. You got to see this things all together as the urban music  
from the uk. As a mutanting thing that keeps revolving. And all of  
these styles, such as dubstep, they are not functionally made based  
on drugs or drugs headspace. Drugs are all around, yes. But dubstep,  
when it was born, and drum n' bass, when it was born, were much more  
about pavement, the city, the boroughs, the crew, it's urban music.  
They were connected directly to the beat shapped by and for the  
"kids", the expression of a moment in urban culture and its musical  
pulse. I don't know how things are moving right now – (recently,  
there are was a big night with all dubstep main producers at ministry  
of sound, in london...) – but there was no strobe light in dubstep  
nights. No clubism, no search for escapim, as you can find in the  
majority of trance related music and trance club scene.


What i see on the bright side is that the best contributions of  
jungle, drum n' bass, grime, dubstep, they produce the seeds for the  
uk urban music to show his freshness from time to time. I like to  
look at the timeline and see how things evolved since first raves  
untill now.


Kw

On 26/04/2008, at 12:15, darnistle wrote:

You don't need to be on drugs to appreciate psytrance, though the  
music may "click" more if you've experienced the drugs and can  
relate to the headspace the music comes from.  Same is probably  
true of any musical form that is closely linked to certain drugs  
(dub and pot, gabber and speed, etc)


Personally, I loved psychedelic trance when it was goa and the  
music was coming from an LSD and mushrooms headspace.  As it  
morphed into psytrance, the whole feel of the music changed and  
lost much of what first caught my interest.  Suomisaundi is really  
the only style in that scene that still inspires me with its  
musical abandon and sense of humor.


Dubstep seems to have gotten as staid and singular as psytrance  
did.  I loved the whole 2Step sound and like the early dubstep that  
still showed its perky 2Step roots, but now much of the dubstep  
I've heard is a dreary sludgefest and all too similar sounding.   
This style of music could be so much more fun than most of it is.


Its like a macho-man mentality crept in and got rid of all the  
bouncy and perky "girlie" aspects of 2Step to focus on being  
harder, darker and skankier than the next guy.


I can't really think of that same mindset showing up in Detroit  
techno.  Perhaps my perspective is limited, but even when it is  
very hard, dark and minimal I don't get the same "macho boys club"  
feeling from Detroit techno.  When I lived in Ann Arbor and clubbed  
in Detroit, I didn't get that sense overall from the music I heard.


Is it just me, or has the Detroit techno scene managed to sidestep  
the "macho boys club" musical mentality that seems to eventually  
plague most other scenes?


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Frank Glazer wrote:

wha???
as a former psytrance dj who can still appreciate it to some extent
(shutup tom;) i fail to see any comparison at all between the two,
except perhaps that you really need to be on massive quantities of
drugs to "get" either one.
i hate dubstep though.  i have a soft nostalgic spot in my heart for
psytrance, but god damn is it way too fast for me now, and it has
gotten much worse than it used to be, in general.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:59 PM, J.C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

It's the new Psytrance, remember.

 Even with that as the case though, there have been SOME tracks  
that have

moved me.  MOST though. ;)



 On 23 April 2008, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:



i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom




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Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

2008-04-26 Thread Kowalsky
Caspa and Rusko sit among the starters of this wave of angry bass and  
of being hard and edgy, for the sake of itself, that i don't like  
much. For me, they represent what Bad Company represented to drum n'  
bass.
Although Burial did not walk on the footsteps of dubstep stylings,  
his first EP, South London Bouroughs, was fundamental to shape the  
dubstep to come, 3 years ago.


Kw

On 26/04/2008, at 12:54, darnistle wrote:

Unfortunately, "hard and edgy" seems seems to be the requirement  
for dubstep now.


However, I would recommend Benga's new album on Tempa, which is not  
stuck in the aforementioned rut! He actually changes up the styles,  
rhythms and moods. The album is really fun to listen and dance to  
and it veers close enough to 2Step


I just picked up the Caspa and Rusko mix (Fabriclive37) and it is  
enjoyable, as long as I don't scrutinize the tracks too much.  Good  
to dance to, not necessarily to sit and listen to.  In some ways it  
has that raw, early rave feel, where the squeeches and squelches  
manage to work in a mix, but the tracks themselves probably  
wouldn't stand up if you had to listen to them in their entirety.


I would consider Burial dubstep.  His first album was like 2Step  
for Goths.  His second album was like dubstep for haunted ravers.   
He's soft and hard and edgy and turgid and moist and chill and so  
much more...


I too have been "on dubstep's jock" (to quote Tom) somewhat lately,  
in spite of myself.


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Nik Stoltzman wrote:

Silly me!
So what defines dubstep? Hard and edgy? Firm and moist? Turgid?

Burial isn't really dubstep - it's too wet and soft


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-Original Message-
From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 23 April 2008 16:19
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread

Weren't you raving about the last Burial album a few months back?
Wouldn't people call that dubstep?. Not that it matters, I think.

When it comes to 'dubstep' I do not like it more or less than any  
other
music - I just like good music. When you say you don't like  
dubstep, do
you have a particular sound or artist in mind? Or do you  
literally not

think much of a whole tranche of music much of which you won't have
heard? ;)

Personally, I can't get enough of Elemental & 3D - Blob at the  
moment.

Love it.

N




i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.

tom

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Mann, Ravinder

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aye, some dubstep seems to be going 4/4. See also releases on  
Hessle

Audio. Here's a mix I've been enjoying recently . .

 http://www.djdowee.com/dreamvol1/dowee-dreammix-march2008.mp3

 1. likhan - uwill
 2. pinch - 136 trek
 3. likhan - terre
 4. pangaea - nest
 5. untold - test signal
 6. appleblim & peverelist - circling  7. scuba - outmost  8.
peverelist - the grind  9. scuba - inmost  10. scuba - beta  11.
peverelist - erstwhile rhythm (forsaken remix)  12. 2562 -  
circulate

13. benny ill vs. hatcha - poison  14. a made up sound - sleepwalk
15. 2562 - kameleon  16. pattie blingh - brother (2562 remix)  17.
2562 - channel two  18. ramadanman - carla  19. kode 9 vs.  
badawi -

den of drumz  20. headhunter - locus lotus

 Rav


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 23 April 2008 15:00
 To: [313]
 Cc: Kowalsky
 Subject: Re: (313) Recalling that dubstepxtechno thread


 dave huismans ole!

 Kowalsky schreef:
 > http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=93995
 >
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