Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
Hi, Well, there are some technical problems with vinyl, which limit the total amount of music you can put on one side. Dance music with lots of bass and swishing hi-hats sounds best if there is a maximum of 8.00 to 10.00 minutes per side. So if an artist makes a track of say 6 minutes, he or she can either decide to put another track on the same side which has to be around 4 minutes, or decide to leave that one track of six minutes on the side, and fill the other side with a different track. Of course making cash plays a part, but keep in mind that for the clubs the level of a dance record has to be the same 'as all the other records', and the same goes for the quality. Adios, Corneel (aka Kyn Si) _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. the modern day composer refuses to die - E. Varese real music never will - K.S. http://www.boomboomclap.demon.nl/kynsi _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK! - TP's response to T-1000
To my homie - Mr. Al Oldam (aka Mr. Dj T-1000), MUCH RESPECT FOR BREAKING IT DOWN!!! I was going to respond in simular fashion, but after reading your response, I can relax and finish watchin' the LAKERS beat the HEAT! WELL SAID MY BROTHA! :-) peace respect, TP In a message dated 3/5/2000 3:43:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 3/5/00 3:23:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: however, I get the feeling that when an artist releases an EP with only two tracks on it that a) they don't have any other material or b)they're trying to cash in! or both! Am I right? First of all, I'm annoyed when records with only 2 tracks are referred to by anyone as EPs. Wrong ! They're 12s ! Three or more tracks per disc constitute an EP. I also hate it when somebody puts out a 2x12 and refers to it as an EP. Wrong ! It's a double-pack ! (the only difference between a double-pack and an album is a full album cover). Nomenclature aside, I'd rather buy a 12 w/ 2 loud, fat-ass tracks than a 4-song EP where only one or two of the tracks are any good. We've all been there (and I've probably put a few out). a. PS. Assuming anyone on the list actually listens to techno anymore, the new Sender Berlin remix EP on Tresor is a motherfucker.
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
- Original Message - From: Doctor Schinkelfunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 2:29 AM Subject: Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK! Hi, Well, there are some technical problems with vinyl, which limit the total amount of music you can put on one side. Dance music with lots of bass and swishing hi-hats sounds best if there is a maximum of 8.00 to 10.00 minutes per side. So if an artist makes a track of say 6 minutes, he or she can either decide to put another track on the same side which has to be around 4 minutes, or decide to leave that one track of six minutes on the side, and fill the other side with a different track. Good point, but what would You say about records that have only 1 track (btw really a SINGLE by all means ;) on side A , BUT side B has nothing on??? I remember myself thinking of this issue when I was considering of buying a single track record by T-1000's on Pure Sonic , but was low on cash (I live in country where most of underground and even some commercial dj fee is equal to cost of 3-8 records). Unfortunately I can't tell You excatly the name of a record because I didn't buy it, although this SINGLE track was pretty hot. Visu labo ix
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nomenclature aside, I'd rather buy a 12 w/ 2 loud, fat-ass tracks than a 4-song EP where only one or two of the tracks are any good. Also, 12s can only hold so much per side. You can fit more, but at the expense of audio quality (grooves can't be as wide/deep); usually but not always reflected in loss of volume. As Alan pointed out, less is sometimes more. - Craig
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
In a message dated 3/5/00 7:46:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good point, but what would You say about records that have only 1 track (btw really a SINGLE by all means ;) on side A , BUT side B has nothing on??? I remember myself thinking of this issue when I was considering of buying a single track record by T-1000's on Pure Sonic , but was low on cash (I live in country where most of underground and even some commercial dj fee is equal to cost of 3-8 records). Unfortunately I can't tell You excatly the name of a record because I didn't buy it, although this SINGLE track was pretty hot. Visu labo ix Marketing was mentioned before as a factor in determining the configuration/number of tracks on a record. In the case of Track Machine, marketing was part of that decision. Well, that and the fact the other tracks that were supposed to have gone with it weren't as good so I left them off. Now it's out of print. Don't you wish you bought it ? =) a.
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
Nomenclature aside, I'd rather buy a 12 w/ 2 loud, fat-ass tracks than a 4-song EP where only one or two of the tracks are any good. We've all been there (and I've probably put a few out). i'll second that opinion. PS. Assuming anyone on the list actually listens to techno anymore, the new Sender Berlin remix EP on Tresor is a motherfucker. also check out Pacou's recent EP on DJax-four tracks of hard banging techno with subdued acid lines. has a nice '93-'94 production feel to it. lamenting, -- Kuri Kondrak Resonance Magazine
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
Moodymann is notorious for doing the single sided record. I'd agree with the rest of the crew here - I quite like the idea of an absolutely excellent track all by itself, plenty of pressing space for some fat bass. If the song is good enough, that's all that matters. Also, i like to think of it as a concept thing - don't clutter up a record with filler - just give us your best shot. On the other hand, I've been told that the kdj on moods / grooves isn't actually that good (I guess when you compare it to other moodyman stuff). I'll still hear it for myself, if mike grant decides to repress the sucker. I'm loving all these represses of theo / kdj etc that are out... picked up the three chairs with kdj, theo and rick wilhite. The moodymann track on there - Gawdamn An absolutely killer. On 5 Mar 00, at 15:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: however, I get the feeling that when an artist releases an EP with only two tracks on it that a) they don't have any other material or b)they're trying to cash in! or both! Am I right? Nomenclature aside, I'd rather buy a 12 w/ 2 loud, fat-ass tracks than a 4-song EP where only one or two of the tracks are any good. We've all been there (and I've probably put a few out). a. PS. Assuming anyone on the list actually listens to techno anymore, the new Sender Berlin remix EP on Tresor is a motherfucker. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
Most records have only one choon on them that I would play, so I am more or less paying full price for one five minute track at a time anyway. I think if you hear a record that you like, even if it has only got one track on it you should still buy it. We the listeners are not into buying records for the sake of value, we are in it for the love of the music. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
i disagree. eps and 12s cos the same price, so who cares how many tracks are on there? it's about quality, not quantity. some of my favorite records have a track on side A and side B is the instrumental of side A. i'd rather 2 good tracks on a 12 or EP than 4 tracks just so it can be said there's four tracks here. andrew duke ps ditto for albums; albums used to have 6 or 8 tracks, sometimes just 4 long ones, but you'll find the quality was higher. today, especially with cds, artists often jam up cds to 74 + minutes and some of it is filler because of this. if they did 40 minute LPs and 40 min cds, the quality might be higher. again, i'd rather 40 mins of good music on an LP, than 78 minutes comprised of 40 min good and 38 mins filler just to make it 78 minutes. quality always wins over quantity. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought, I'm not sure what anyone else thinKs, but I get really annoyed and feel somewhat ripped off when an artist realeases an EP with only two tracks (the two that broke the camels back today where the latest releases from Joey Beltram and KDJ, moods and grooves) Both Artist offer great quality and in fact both the tracks on the KDJ release where good, one of the Beltram tracks was a little weak, but the other was really good and fresh for Joey. however, I get the feeling that when an artist releases an EP with only two tracks on it that a) they don't have any other material or b)they're trying to cash in! or both! Am I right? WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com -- Cognition/Andrew Duke's In The Mix mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://techno.ca/cognition 1096 Queen St #123 Halifax NS Canada B3H 2R9
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
Andrew Duke wrote: today, especially with cds, artists often jam up cds to 74 + minutes and some of it is filler because of this. if they did 40 minute LPs and 40 min cds, the quality might be higher. Case in point: Lil' Louis - Journey With The Lonely clocks in at 48:57 minutes :) Otto
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
In a message dated 3/5/00 12:43:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also hate it when somebody puts out a 2x12 and refers to it as an EP. Wrong ! It's a double-pack ! (the only difference between a double-pack and an album is a full album cover). So what's your point?
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
In a message dated 3/6/00 9:22:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also hate it when somebody puts out a 2x12 and refers to it as an EP. Wrong ! It's a double-pack ! (the only difference between a double-pack and an album is a full album cover). So what's your point? Read the above again. Slow. a.
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
In a message dated 3/6/00 8:07:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also hate it when somebody puts out a 2x12 and refers to it as an EP. Wrong ! It's a double-pack ! (the only difference between a double-pack and an album is a full album cover). So what's your point? Read the above again. Slow. a. SEMANTICS.
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
I use the same criteria - money better spent. Its little cost corners like that that can be the difference between a good collection and a great collection. J. Staurt McMillan (Soma/ Slam/ Counterplan/ Pressure) won't buy a 12 record unless its got a half decent 2nd side/ track, thats why he only travels with 10 -15 records. jason -- Knecht
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
Similarly, it seems like a lot of DJs overlook 10s, and 7s. It seems like a shame to me. Good music is good music, plain and simple. If you don't buy it, you don't have it. My personal budget strategy tends to be if I'm going to hear it a lot when I go out, then why pay for it? Otherwise, it could be a 1 sided 7 at $10 and I'd still buy it. Thanks, Scott Stone - Original Message - From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK! Staurt McMillan (Soma/ Slam/ Counterplan/ Pressure) won't buy a 12 record unless its got a half decent 2nd side/ track, thats why he only travels with 10 -15 records. jason
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
I disagree. I bought 12s in the past which had 8 very similar mixes of the same tune, and one-sided 12s, double and triple packs which could all fit on a single plate of wax, etc. It's all marketing schemes. The important thing is that there is something on there which is worth paying for. Had there been 8 boring tracks on the 12s you bought, would it have made you happier? SqrRt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: 5 mars, 2000 15:23 Subject: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK! Just a thought, I'm not sure what anyone else thinKs, but I get really annoyed and feel somewhat ripped off when an artist realeases an EP with only two tracks (the two that broke the camels back today where the latest releases from Joey Beltram and KDJ, moods and grooves) Both Artist offer great quality and in fact both the tracks on the KDJ release where good, one of the Beltram tracks was a little weak, but the other was really good and fresh for Joey. however, I get the feeling that when an artist releases an EP with only two tracks on it that a) they don't have any other material or b)they're trying to cash in! or both! Am I right? WorkZ talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
In a message dated 3/5/00 3:23:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: however, I get the feeling that when an artist releases an EP with only two tracks on it that a) they don't have any other material or b)they're trying to cash in! or both! Am I right? First of all, I'm annoyed when records with only 2 tracks are referred to by anyone as EPs. Wrong ! They're 12s ! Three or more tracks per disc constitute an EP. I also hate it when somebody puts out a 2x12 and refers to it as an EP. Wrong ! It's a double-pack ! (the only difference between a double-pack and an album is a full album cover). Nomenclature aside, I'd rather buy a 12 w/ 2 loud, fat-ass tracks than a 4-song EP where only one or two of the tracks are any good. We've all been there (and I've probably put a few out). a. PS. Assuming anyone on the list actually listens to techno anymore, the new Sender Berlin remix EP on Tresor is a motherfucker.
Re: (313) 2 track EP's SUCK!
It's sort of irresponsible to use that much plastic for so little music. As long as we record labels are making products that will take forever to decompose - we might as well use both sides of the disc. environ * 73 mandeville drive * wayne, NJ 07470-6566 * USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.webspan.net/~environ
