Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown
just type up a robots.txt and disallow the search bots -Joe - Original Message - From: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: FW: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown I like the photo list idea. kind of like an insert. I'd be willing to do them up in pshop or whatever if anyone wants. can't believe I didn't think of that. I may even be talked into some of the flash work depending on how involved it is (if you wanna go that route). Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change. -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:13 PM To: Ian; 313 List Subject: Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown or what about just redoing the page in flash? even just a static page of text..bots cant search what's presented on a flash page right? or, using your favorite graphics program, you could create an image of the tracklist and just embed it in the page.. On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: so, zipped/no tracklists then? Any reason why you couldn't just zip the tracklist with it? Or fool the bots with an haxxor style list? 1) m0d31 500 - n0 uf0'5 2) kr4ftw3rk - numb3rz 3) ... -- ian
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Hi All, First off, I have to say this does, suck. I enjoyed your site very much. This type of activity has been happening for quite sometime, at least on the US front. The RIAA, ASCAP, BMI all have spider bots that patrol the web and compare what they find to their database of registered users and songs, and then contact offending parties on the artists behalf, as their representative. So it probably wasn't the guys from Nu Groove, going... I'm going to get that Emotion Electric guy, as compared to that a bot, or a representative (I see plenty of visits from BMI.org and ASCAP.org in my webserver logs) comparing playlists to the databases and getting a positive match. Which is ironic as if you didn't list a playlist, then you'll probably get a harder time getting caught, then if you do, but listing the playlists have always been helpful in sales for dance music. They can get especially nasty to the people who have downloadable content as compared to just streaming, as they view that the same as Soulseek or the old Napster, or even the recent Jetgroove fiasco, as copyright issues don't care if you're making money at it, or giving it away, as the punishments are the same, regardless of money that is made or not. They'll usually go to the ISP and tell them that they'll be sued as well, unless they pull the plug on the host. The only real resolution, to being able to host or webcast what you want, is to contact each and every individual copyright owner of the physical media as well as copyright owner of the composition and publishing owner for every work that you wish to obtain, and get written permission that you are allowed to provide downloads (via seperate mp3/wave or in a mix, a download is a download from the RIAA perspective) of their music and/or webcasts of their music. If you do not get this, then you are subject to VERY heavy fines (up to $150,000 per copyright infringement, so with a mix of let's say 10 songs for download, you are lookning at a possibility 1.5 million dollars in fines and 6 years in jail), with only 1 exception for webcasters. So even if for example Jeff Mills said that it's alright for me to webcast his music, I would actually need to contact 3 seperate company's or people in order to legally webcast or allow downloads. Sometimes this can be the same person, but many times it is not, for example, one of Jeff's records' on Tresor, you would also have to get Tresor's permission as well. Obviously this is a nightmare of Red Tape to do. The 1 exception that I know of that is available for Webcastors (so wouldn't even address Emotion Electric's issues, as they were downloaded mixes correct?), is one can obtain a statuatory license. It was created by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. And this statuatory license doesn't come without a set of rules: Sound recording performance complement. A webcaster may not play in any three-hour period... • more than three songs from a particular album, including no more than two consecutively, or • four songs by a particular artist or from a boxed set, including no more than three consecutively. This limit is called the sound recording performance complement. These are just a few of the RULES that one must comply by in order to have a statuatory license. If not, then you can have the fun job of getting each individual copyright and publishing owners written permission. Now imagine these rules if you're broadcasting an party live, and tell Jeff Mills, that he can't play more then 4 of his songs in the 3 hour set, unless, he can verify that he owns both copyrights and the publishing rights to them and agrees to sign a contract saying that you can broadcast them. With the fact that the RIAA has gone after 10 year olds with Multi Million dollar lawsuits here in America, means that really, nobody is protected. As to the suggestion of hosting the site in Russia... .don't let anybody know about that either, if you really want to do it. As the actual act of uploading the files from your computer in the US or UK to the servers in Russia, is breaking the same copyrights. Now don't intrepet these as MY feelings and thoughts. We've done quite a bit of webcasting in the past, and currently you will only hear Live acts on our webcasting services. These are the RIAA's perspective. I know the BPI is different, but they work together, and I know the American copyright, has some connection to International Copyright. Not that they are going to go after you for these amount of money, but if they do , they will go after these kind of fines, and will give you an option out, if you sign this paper, agreeing that you'll never do anything like this again, or you'll kindly accept everything that's thrown at you. Below is some of the RIAA wording, that actually answers many of the questions and statements that came up in this thread. Happy reading, Dave http://www.riaa.com/issues/music/downup_faq.asp What
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Yes. It is a violation if you upload or download full-length sound recordings without permission of the copyright owners. You should assume other people's works are copyrighted and can't be copied unless you know otherwise there's the wording I was looking for. full-length sound recordings. since songs in a promotional mix are not played at full length (hence negating the up/downloading of any single full-length sound recording), shouldn't this be seen the same as audio clips on a retail site? Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change.
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up to $150,000 per copyright infringement, so with a mix of let's say 10 songs for download, you are looking at a possibility 1.5 million dollars in fines and 6 years in jail jail time... think about how crazy that is really. They're feel that downloading is enough of a *threat* to society that they will remove you from society and lock you up for 6 years of your life. I could kill someone and be in there for just a few more years (10) comparatively. This is just f*cking ridiculous and out-of-hand. Doesn't that seem like cruel and unusual punishment? I think if turn over the bill at the end of the night and it says you owe $1.5 billion dollars for a round of drinks would be enough to make you rethink your past actions but to throw someone in jail is seriously harsh. MEK
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Sadly (and from recent personal experience which I don't want to go into) we're at the point where the large corporations (in this case the major labels and their 'industry watchdogs' like the RIAA) have enough money to effectively buy the law. So yes, in these corporations eyes infringing (note..not stealing) the copyright of their products is worse than you killing a random joe. I agree it is completely out of hand but as long as they decide they don't like it and are funding major political candidates and campaigns (hello Mr Ashcroft) the law will be bent to their will. Curiously, I'm not sure if the Emotion Electric peeps saw any documentation pertaining to the shutdown but my recent experience which involved US law enforcement offices certainly had at the bottom of key documentation 'investigations were assisted by various intellectual property trade associations, includingthe Recording Industry Association of America. Which basically means the US judicial system is in bed massivlely with the media peoples. In a kind of inbred not healthy way. Head for the hills... Kev jail time... think about how crazy that is really. They're feel that downloading is enough of a *threat* to society that they will remove you from society and lock you up for 6 years of your life. I could kill someone and be in there for just a few more years (10) comparatively. This is just f*cking ridiculous and out-of-hand. Doesn't that seem like cruel and unusual punishment? I think if turn over the bill at the end of the night and it says you owe $1.5 billion dollars for a round of drinks would be enough to make you rethink your past actions but to throw someone in jail is seriously harsh. MEK
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At 10:48 AM 10/15/2004, Kev wrote: Sadly (and from recent personal experience which I don't want to go into) we're at the point where the large corporations (in this case the major labels and their 'industry watchdogs' like the RIAA) have enough money to effectively buy the law. not only that. The RIAA was spotted walking down the streets of LA impersonating cops and threatening to shut down street vendors: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/07/news-sullivan.php The RIAA saw it differently. Figuring the discs were bootlegs, a four-man RIAA squad descended on his stand a few days before Christmas and persuaded the 4-foot-11 Borrayo to hand over voluntarily a total of 78 discs. It wasn't a tough sell. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They tried to scare me, Borrayo said. They told me, ?You?re a pirate!? I said, ?C?mon, guys, pirates are all at sea. I just work in a parking lot.? LOL! MEK matt kane's brain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: OT: Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown 10/15/2004 09:58 AM At 10:48 AM 10/15/2004, Kev wrote: Sadly (and from recent personal experience which I don't want to go into) we're at the point where the large corporations (in this case the major labels and their 'industry watchdogs' like the RIAA) have enough money to effectively buy the law. not only that. The RIAA was spotted walking down the streets of LA impersonating cops and threatening to shut down street vendors: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/07/news-sullivan.php The RIAA saw it differently. Figuring the discs were bootlegs, a four-man RIAA squad descended on his stand a few days before Christmas and persuaded the 4-foot-11 Borrayo to hand over voluntarily a total of 78 discs. It wasn't a tough sell. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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there's the wording I was looking for. full-length sound recordings Kamal As I posted once before apparently they have a definition of not full length; 30 seconds. And you still have to pay them money for having the less than 30 sec bits.
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crap... sorry I missed that. so, zipped/no tracklists then? seems it's the only way out of this quandry without bowing down to irrational requests driven by misguided greed. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems Bebop was about change, about evolution. It wasn't about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:20 PM To: '313 Org' Subject: RE: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown there's the wording I was looking for. full-length sound recordings Kamal As I posted once before apparently they have a definition of not full length; 30 seconds. And you still have to pay them money for having the less than 30 sec bits.
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On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: so, zipped/no tracklists then? Any reason why you couldn't just zip the tracklist with it? Or fool the bots with an haxxor style list? 1) m0d31 500 - n0 uf0'5 2) kr4ftw3rk - numb3rz 3) ... -- ian
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or what about just redoing the page in flash? even just a static page of text..bots cant search what's presented on a flash page right? or, using your favorite graphics program, you could create an image of the tracklist and just embed it in the page.. On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: so, zipped/no tracklists then? Any reason why you couldn't just zip the tracklist with it? Or fool the bots with an haxxor style list? 1) m0d31 500 - n0 uf0'5 2) kr4ftw3rk - numb3rz 3) ... -- ian
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One interesting wrap could be the SMIL format. It stand for Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language : Define an XML-based language that allows authors to write interactive multimedia presentations. Using SMIL 2.0, an author can describe the temporal behavior of a multimedia presentation, associate hyperlinks with media objects and describe the layout of the presentation on a screen. So for example, you could write the full tracklisting, and put in a defined color the track that is being played according to passed time. What a pity its not enough used, but theres a good reason, only RealPlayer support it. The presentation is displayed in the Media window, but i think other players could handle it quite easly, in their Movie window or whatever. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown or what about just redoing the page in flash? even just a static page of text..bots cant search what's presented on a flash page right? or, using your favorite graphics program, you could create an image of the tracklist and just embed it in the page.. On Oct 15, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: so, zipped/no tracklists then? Any reason why you couldn't just zip the tracklist with it? Or fool the bots with an haxxor style list? 1) m0d31 500 - n0 uf0'5 2) kr4ftw3rk - numb3rz 3) ... -- ian
RE: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown
Woah. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 October 2004 16:08 To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin...
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Can they do that without telling you specifically which copyrighted works you are allegedly distributing? At 11:08 AM 10/14/2004, robin wrote: hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin... -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robin Really sorry to hear about this. It stinks. Think I mentioned BPI etc. and their stance in a reply to Brendan in a previous thread. Your mail arrived seconds after I said there was going to be audio on our site for the first time! Better watch out on that then. Not that it matters at present as I can't get the thing to work anyway (so ignore that stuff about checking it, any peeps who were going to). Oh well, back to the drawing board. Francis
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so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. ruddy pirates. *we will be back* glad to hear it r kid. although my friend, don't be doing owt daft like putting your job in jeopardy over it. gutted for you, know how you enjoy having that site. all the chicken. Alex. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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as far as i'm aware though this is a new stance by the BPI. (or the RIAA). have dj mixes been targetted like this before? i know technically we're (as a community, not me specifically :)) possibly in the wrong but for this kind of music prromotional mixes are the norm. or have things changed? cheers robin... On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. ruddy pirates. *we will be back* glad to hear it r kid. although my friend, don't be doing owt daft like putting your job in jeopardy over it. gutted for you, know how you enjoy having that site. all the chicken. Alex.
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Its not as if you're raking in thousands of pounds a week from the public dispersal of these mixes is it. Bonkers.. the lot of em... p -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 October 2004 16:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown as far as i'm aware though this is a new stance by the BPI. (or the RIAA). have dj mixes been targetted like this before? i know technically we're (as a community, not me specifically :)) possibly in the wrong but for this kind of music prromotional mixes are the norm. or have things changed? cheers robin... On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. ruddy pirates. *we will be back* glad to hear it r kid. although my friend, don't be doing owt daft like putting your job in jeopardy over it. gutted for you, know how you enjoy having that site. all the chicken. Alex.
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What a bummer - that's harsh Robin. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:08 PM To: 313 Org Subject: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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-Original Message- From: matt kane's brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 October 2004 16:12 To: robin; 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown Can they do that without telling you specifically which copyrighted works you are allegedly distributing? Matt Here in Europe I'm afraid we have to deal with this, don't know how it is in the states. Basically these people have the legal right to go round collecting money of all and sundry for playing music. Wherever! If it's in public they want £. On the net, on the radio, in a disco, in a hairdresser, in a shop. This money is then supposedly distributed to artists. But of course no small independent ever sees a penny. So you can have club playing underground sounds and this lot come along, tax the venue an extortionate amount and then make off with it to their fancy offices in Paris and no musician or label gets a penny. Guess if they've got the right to collect royalties whether they're paying people or not they can shut you down too.
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they did tell me. something on nu-groove (in placid's mix) and something on de-construction (in paul mac's mix) but that is neither here nor there. all mixes have tracklists. maybe that's where i made the mistake. thing is tho without tracklists no-one can track the tunes down and buy product from BPI members labels. you get my drift. rubbish robin... On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:11, matt kane's brain wrote: Can they do that without telling you specifically which copyrighted works you are allegedly distributing? At 11:08 AM 10/14/2004, robin wrote: hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin... -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe it's something to do with tracklistings? i.e. they're never going to find out whats on what without a tracklist? presumably they've done a search or something on particular tracks, and Robins site came up? otherwise, if you look at all the other sites doing mixes who are un-touched, none of these have tracklistings? so, maybe in the future for anyone, just don't do a tracklist for your mixes, and you might slip under the radar? maybe? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Can they do that without telling you specifically which copyrighted works you are allegedly distributing? Yeah this seems strange, unless you've violated their (or someone they represent) copyrighted material how can they tell you to take down the site? Surely if they don't 'own' any of the music on the site all they can do is report you to the people who do. There needs to be some sort of system setup where producers can opt in/out of a scheme which allows your music to be released for promotional purposes online. What's the difference a mix where each record is on for under 1 min between audio clips on record stores? I bet quite a few smaller labels and artists would do so. I'd say 75% of music I've bought in the past year has been stuff I've heard on mixes. It's a real shame :( I'd suggest caution when putting the site back up, they may not take to kindly to asking the same people again and again. -Mike This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
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But then everyone loses out cos people can't buy the records they hear in mixes. It's absurd. I'm getting more angry about this the more I think of it. Grrr. Thank f*** Twatkins, Matt, Brendan Guy are playing tonight cos I need to dance off some anger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown Maybe it's something to do with tracklistings? i.e. they're never going to find out whats on what without a tracklist? presumably they've done a search or something on particular tracks, and Robins site came up? otherwise, if you look at all the other sites doing mixes who are un-touched, none of these have tracklistings? so, maybe in the future for anyone, just don't do a tracklist for your mixes, and you might slip under the radar? maybe? _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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they did tell me. something on nu-groove (in placid's mix) and something on de-construction (in paul mac's mix) Can you not just take down the two mixes then? -Mike This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
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On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's something to do with tracklistings? i.e. they're never going to find out whats on what without a tracklist? exactly. presumably they've done a search or something on particular tracks, and Robins site came up? otherwise, if you look at all the other sites doing mixes who are un-touched, none of these have tracklistings? or looked on LD. both mixes are up there? could be from anywhere tho. without tracklistings tho it's hard to turn people on to new sounds and sell them music (thinking from a bpi point of view). this policy is just unfair. i'm not a pirate. so, maybe in the future for anyone, just don't do a tracklist for your mixes, and you might slip under the radar? maybe? i would guess that's bang on. anyway paranoid thought: mr. bpi the site is gone, i think you're wrong but i can't be arsed fighting the good fight against you. ahem robin...
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f8ck!! sorry man :( what barstewards! -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 10/14/2004 4:08 PM To: 313 Org Cc: Subject: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin...
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mmm - set lists inside a zip file perhaps and a password on the site - just a thought like On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:48, robin wrote: On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's something to do with tracklistings? i.e. they're never going to find out whats on what without a tracklist? exactly. presumably they've done a search or something on particular tracks, and Robins site came up? otherwise, if you look at all the other sites doing mixes who are un-touched, none of these have tracklistings? or looked on LD. both mixes are up there? could be from anywhere tho. without tracklistings tho it's hard to turn people on to new sounds and sell them music (thinking from a bpi point of view). this policy is just unfair. i'm not a pirate. so, maybe in the future for anyone, just don't do a tracklist for your mixes, and you might slip under the radar? maybe? i would guess that's bang on. anyway paranoid thought: mr. bpi the site is gone, i think you're wrong but i can't be arsed fighting the good fight against you. ahem robin...
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For crying out loud, DJ mixtapes are one of The Five Pillars Of Dance Music. BPI act on behalf of artists/labels, but you do wonder how many would be troubled about the copying in this instance. Other than the likes of Deconstruction, who are BMG in disguise. Anyone wanna leave BPI and join my newly-formed BLP Phonographic Industry? I promise to represent your interests but turn a blind eye to mixtapes with your stuff on. But don't expect an invite to the next Brit Awards. carl robin wrote: hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin...
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i'm not a pirate You sure? That eyepatch, wooden leg and parrot on your shoulder give it away a little. _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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How about a server in Russia... I'll get me coat Martin On 14 Oct 2004, at 17:01, robin wrote: good idea...kills the streaming too r On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:51, Martin Dust wrote: mmm - set lists inside a zip file perhaps and a password on the site - just a thought like On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:48, robin wrote: On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's something to do with tracklistings? i.e. they're never going to find out whats on what without a tracklist? exactly. presumably they've done a search or something on particular tracks, and Robins site came up? otherwise, if you look at all the other sites doing mixes who are un-touched, none of these have tracklistings? or looked on LD. both mixes are up there? could be from anywhere tho. without tracklistings tho it's hard to turn people on to new sounds and sell them music (thinking from a bpi point of view). this policy is just unfair. i'm not a pirate. so, maybe in the future for anyone, just don't do a tracklist for your mixes, and you might slip under the radar? maybe? i would guess that's bang on. anyway paranoid thought: mr. bpi the site is gone, i think you're wrong but i can't be arsed fighting the good fight against you. ahem robin...
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On 14 Oct 2004, at 17:14, Martin Dust wrote: How about a server in Russia... I'll get me coat i've just said that to someone else :) know any russian service providers/hosting providers then? robin...
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Thats a nightmare Robin - and totally unfair reward for all the time and effort you (and people like Placid, Alex etc) put into creating mixes and a making them available to us and others. Corporate to$$ers Cheers BT --- robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin...
RE: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown
yeah, so are you going to switch to another ISP? or is it more complicated than that? -Original Message- From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:33 PM To: 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown Thats a nightmare Robin - and totally unfair reward for all the time and effort you (and people like Placid, Alex etc) put into creating mixes and a making them available to us and others. Corporate to$$ers Cheers BT --- robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. all the stuff on the site was dj mixes (promotional) so if you have a similar site then just watch yer backs. *we will be back* robin...
Re: (313) Emotion Electric shutdown
I have read a couple articles about the RIAA cracking down on unauthorised mixes here in the states, but only when they were being sold in brick-and-mortar record shops (and mainly targeting hip-hop.) Never heard any mention of free mixes online, but I suppose it was inevitable. :( as far as i'm aware though this is a new stance by the BPI. (or the RIAA). have dj mixes been targetted like this before? i know technically we're (as a community, not me specifically :)) possibly in the wrong but for this kind of music prromotional mixes are the norm. or have things changed? cheers robin... On 14 Oct 2004, at 16:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, i've been contacted by the BPI (www.bpi.co.uk) and they've shut the site down because of my alleged trade in copyright material. ruddy pirates. *we will be back* glad to hear it r kid. although my friend, don't be doing owt daft like putting your job in jeopardy over it. gutted for you, know how you enjoy having that site. all the chicken. Alex.
