Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 0:47:58 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I the only one who has never really got the appeal of a lot of the 80s New romantic stuff to techno heads? Nope, I'm with ya. Duran Duran and Depeche Mode? Who ACTUALLY listens to that crap? -- THE REAL HARDCORE IS OVER HERE. http://www.teamiag.com/go.cfm?id=21507project=76 -DJ Entropy http://www.djentropy.com
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
DJ Entropy wrote: Duran Duran and Depeche Mode? Who ACTUALLY listens to that crap? Probably more than half of the artists whose records are in your crates.
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Dennis DeSantis wrote: I never did understand the OMD appeal though. I think maybe it was because every song was in the shiniest, happiest unrelentingly major key - it all sounded like a vapid commercial for girls' toys or something... Holy smokes. Haven't you ever heard the early OMD stuff, Dennis? Like the first 2 albums (self-titled and Organization) or the Messages 10 single? Man. Those were amazing records. Electricity was the Pop Hit of the era, but everything else from that time period was darker and pure Electronic goodness. And as much as I hate to disagree with Sean Deason (who has put out an album I consider one of the greatest records I've ever heard), but back in the day, Duran (and Spandau) *was* cheesy amongst the headz! (I liked The Scars and Visage a lot more than either of them from that lot) Save a Prayer was nice, but it was considered an anomaly, not an average :-) (Though Save A Prayer was in '82, there's a list Rob Theakston has of Top 100 records of 1981. There was some truly amazing stuff out in that year - Ob. 313: including Sharevari and Alleys Of Your Mind - and yet I found myself thinking of all the amazing songs left out of the list, in addition to the *dozens* that were on it. Wanna post it, Rob? :-) ) That said, I still think it's neat to see what tracks became Big in Detroit back then. They sure didn't get big in Los Angeles! Re: Heaven 17: I'd *still* play out the B.E.F. instrumental track that Shake still plays out (as far as I know). The Music for Stowaways (Walkmans) cassette from 1980 was a way-ahead-of-its-time slice of (occasionally) Funk/Electronic wonderfulness. Re: ABC: The *real* find is to find tracks from Martyn Ware's pre-ABC band, an early Electronic outfit called Vice Versa. Check out this article on this ABC site: http://www.ABCMartinFry.COM/vice1.html Geez, all this nostalgia's getting me hyped for the Sex Pistols show in 3 weeks :-) - Greg the Old Punk Geezer
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] I never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. man, ive liked depeche mode for long enough that i cant remember first hearing about them. and to this day the music for the masses - violator back to back is about as good as it gets by any artist. I think that Violator is a masterpiece. The best album from DM, in my opinion. It has a very Kraftwerk-like sound, especially Policy of Truth and the final sequence of Personal Jesus. And the sound engeneering on that album is amazing, for the ones who dig such thing. The bass drums had a unique analog texture, but yet sounds a lot like our well known TR-808. The bass lines and synth arrangements are very analog too. []s 2/0 --- Check out TWO DIVIDED BY ZERO new track: I | N | T | R | O | S | P | E | C | T | I | V | E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/music/trax/introspective.mp3 ||| || | | ||| || from the forthcoming album A P P E A R E N C E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
-- Original Message -- From: Two divided by zero [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that Violator is a masterpiece. The best album from DM, in my opinion. without question. It has a very Kraftwerk-like sound, especially Policy of Truth and the final sequence of Personal Jesus. the end part of PJ is so off the charts. i just play it over and over again when im in my car. its unbelivably static yet still funky. the part where the drums drop out and come back in is so simple and so effective. And the sound engeneering on that album is amazing, for the ones who dig such thing. The bass drums had a unique analog texture, but yet sounds a lot like our well known TR-808. The bass lines and synth arrangements are very analog too. its like the perfect dark pop record. i cant imagine what the person would be like who shouldnt like that album. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Duran Duran and Spandau were feuding in the 80s. OMD were kinda on their own... maybe pit them against Heaven 17? ;) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 6:35 AM I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) spandau ballet? - Original Message - From: sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
I always thought People Are People was wack as a kid. I liked early Depeche but I wasn't a devout fan. I think there's a longheld stigma against Duran Duran because of the UK rock press - and the videos. Don't forget Carl Craig sampled The Reflex on the Piece track Free Your Mind. ;) -- From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'sean deason' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 8:36 AM I am actually going to give those two tracks another listen with an open mind, maybe my appreciation for them will increase. I admit I'm a little biased against Duran Duran because whenever I think of them I hear the chorus of Rio going through my mind!!! Lol _Dave -Original Message- From: sean deason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:50 PM To: David Powers; 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Re Duran Duran; the 'Night Version' extended mix of 'Girls On Film' is also enjoying a resurgence on many dancefloors at the moment, being championed by the likes of Erol Alkan and the DFA. 20 years old and relevant again - plus ca change... -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 11 August 2003 4:40 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. I always thought People Are People was wack as a kid. I liked early Depeche but I wasn't a devout fan. I think there's a longheld stigma against Duran Duran because of the UK rock press - and the videos. Don't forget Carl Craig sampled The Reflex on the Piece track Free Your Mind. ;) -- From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'sean deason' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 8:36 AM I am actually going to give those two tracks another listen with an open mind, maybe my appreciation for them will increase. I admit I'm a little biased against Duran Duran because whenever I think of them I hear the chorus of Rio going through my mind!!! Lol _Dave -Original Message- From: sean deason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:50 PM To: David Powers; 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
And as much as I hate to disagree with Sean Deason (who has put out an album I consider one of the greatest records I've ever heard), but back in the day, Duran (and Spandau) *was* cheesy amongst the headz! That was latent sexism in the UK rock press because they had a young female following it was assumed that they were wack - their male fans were silent as they didn't want to look unmasculine/uncool. I always had an issue with that. To this day I despise NME. As I get older all these male Duranies are emerging... Trivia for the day: I once read Lauryn Hill was a Duranie.
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Maybe listen to the first Propaganda album. I think that album pre-empted a lot of sounds of today - from industrial to Detroit - and the sleeve notes remind me of Axis' liner notes! I guess the whole fantasy element of the Blitz Kids fed into the imaginations of Motor City's youth. There is a book called The Book With No Name which is worth seeking. I recently found a copy second-hand, after not seeing it for a decade. It was the New Romantic bible. It was such a radical thing to hear songs like Vienna or Fade To Grey and Controversy (as a kid Prince *was* New Romantic to me, and let's not forget Sheila E's get-up for Romance 1600) in the charts as a kid, it was so refreshing after all that dull rock - Australia is a country where pub-rock/MOR country rules, after all. I mean how did Japan chart in the UK with Ghosts? Such an abstract record! The videos were so powerful. With Duran Duran, you really have to listen to the album material. It's purely elitism in the rock media that deems them of less critical value than Depeche. I didn't mind Depeche, I just wasn't as gripped by them as I was by Duran, Visage, etc. That's not a value judgment, just personal. Not so sure of Vince Clarke's recent work - like that Erasure covers album, ahem. The story of Duran's roots in industrial Birmingham, their associations with the New Romantic club Rumrunner, the Andy Warhol thing, it was all great stuff! Am I the only one who has never really got the appeal of a lot of the 80s New romantic stuff to techno heads? I mean I can understand a few individual tracks, but I've always thought of bands like ABC and Duran Duran as being a bit...well...not my cup of tea anyway. Admitidly I've not listened to any of it since it was all over the radio in the 80s so maybe the cheesy pop music that I associate with many of these bands isn't all there is to be discovered and I should delve deeper. I was a big Adam and the Ants fan when I was a kid, but thats about the only impact the whole new romantic thing ever had on me. My guess is I'm missing the target by a mile and theres a wealth of undiscovered gems out there. I'd like that, but when I think of ABC I think of Poison Arrow and the Look of Love and it just doesn't register with me at all. Stewart __ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. What's the getting old theory??? We're working on a new club nite called Blitz 2 Bling, Goth 2 Gangsta, where you play Duran Duran back to back with Missy, Siouxie and Notorious BIG.
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Also Larry Levan did a Duran Duran remix, forget which record though! So they must be GOOD. -- From: sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 5:49 AM Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Two divided by zero [EMAIL PROTECTED] It has a very Kraftwerk-like sound, especially Policy of Truth and the final sequence of Personal Jesus. the end part of PJ is so off the charts. i just play it over and over again when im in my car. its unbelivably static yet still funky. the part where the drums drop out and come back in is so simple and so effective. I love the way PJ is not the straight foward 4/4 beat but a triplet 4 divided by 6 one. I have this Razormaid Remix that has the Kraftwerk-like arrangement of the final sequence in the original version, all over the entire remix. I bet you will like it. []s 2/0 --- Check out TWO DIVIDED BY ZERO new track: I | N | T | R | O | S | P | E | C | T | I | V | E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/music/trax/introspective.mp3 ||| || | | ||| || from the forthcoming album A P P E A R E N C E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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a track entitled: Block block block of the OMD Crush album I think its a tribute to our very own Christian Bloch! :^) but for a real treat listen to Talking Loud And Clear also by OMD and tell me your not a fan. Very Kraftwerkian indeed :^) sean - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 4:50 AM Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Hmmm Where does this come from now? I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words!
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Hallo! This whole new order thread reminded me of something I once read in the FAQ section of the 313 mailing list at Hyperreal: The MI, through Derrick, brought a European vibe to our city, something that there never was before. Before, we were just a bunch of middle-class black kids who read The Face and GQ and Melody Maker and dreamt about what London or New York would be like; now ABC and Depeche Mode came to the MI in its heyday to witness the relentless Mayday at work, and to hang out with us. Real Brits ! Real accents ! In our club ! So, the question is: Depeche Mode and Detroit techno has something to do? We've read a lot of comments about New Order already. And how 'bout DM? I'm very curious to know what you guys think about that. []s 2/0 Maarten Baute wrote: Hi, this question was probably asked a couple of times allready on this list... well... then once more. Can someone please tell me how important new order was for the development of techno? What do the detroit guys think of new order? how did it influence what they were doing? Can I find some information on the net covering the link between new order and detroit techno? And what new order albums should I buy as an introduction to the band? --- Check out TWO DIVIDED BY ZERO new track: I | N | T | R | O | S | P | E | C | T | I | V | E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/music/trax/introspective.mp3 ||| || | | ||| || from the forthcoming album A P P E A R E N C E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
While we're on this topic, what was the ABC record that Mayday remixed! Always wondered about that. Just played Lexicon Of Love last night, it really stands up. -- From: Two divided by zero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 2:33 PM Hallo! This whole new order thread reminded me of something I once read in the FAQ section of the 313 mailing list at Hyperreal: The MI, through Derrick, brought a European vibe to our city, something that there never was before. Before, we were just a bunch of middle-class black kids who read The Face and GQ and Melody Maker and dreamt about what London or New York would be like; now ABC and Depeche Mode came to the MI in its heyday to witness the relentless Mayday at work, and to hang out with us. Real Brits ! Real accents ! In our club ! So, the question is: Depeche Mode and Detroit techno has something to do? We've read a lot of comments about New Order already. And how 'bout DM? I'm very curious to know what you guys think about that. []s 2/0 Maarten Baute wrote: Hi, this question was probably asked a couple of times allready on this list... well... then once more. Can someone please tell me how important new order was for the development of techno? What do the detroit guys think of new order? how did it influence what they were doing? Can I find some information on the net covering the link between new order and detroit techno? And what new order albums should I buy as an introduction to the band? --- Check out TWO DIVIDED BY ZERO new track: I | N | T | R | O | S | P | E | C | T | I | V | E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/music/trax/introspective.mp3 ||| || | | ||| || from the forthcoming album A P P E A R E N C E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
While we're on this topic, what was the ABC record that Mayday remixed! The Greatest Love of All -- have never heard it though, I think Dan Sicko might have a copy? Always wondered about that. Just played Lexicon Of Love last night, it really stands up. yep, good years for producer Trevor Horn. Also the title track from a later album, How To Be A Zillionaire had some hot remixes (esp. the Bond St. mix) that got lots of play in detroit hotmix radio shows... when that stuff was getting mixed with the native electronic dance music of the time... around the same time Channel One 'Technicolor' was getting hammered constantly on the air... The Wizard on JLB era radio shows. peace Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Wow, thanks for that. I always wondered. I really disliked that second ABC album. We had the cassette and I have not seen it for years! I just found it abrasive. I really get annoyed how 80s synth-pop is referred to as electro now, as it wasn't. It was New Wave or New Romantic - (I am feeling sentimental about that Blitz Kids phenom). Electro was a distinct scene. Not that labels matter that much... I really like the early things done by the US outfit Berlin, like Sex (I'm A) and The Metro - pre Take My Breath Away. Their recent comeback Voyeur was terrible though. Like a bad version of Ray Of Light. I am rediscovering new sounds from the 80s... I think of all the 80s New Romantic records Dare really stands up, as does ABC's first, and Visage sound surprisingly good, and Propaganda's first album is among my all-time favourites, though I only got it years later. I never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. After Notorious they were very hit and miss. I hear Siobhan Fahey (ex Bananarama, Shakespear's Sister) is now doing electro, but I can't get the track - Bitter Pills. I've seen it on a Larry Tee mix-CD. While we're on this topic, what was the ABC record that Mayday remixed! The Greatest Love of All -- have never heard it though, I think Dan Sicko might have a copy? Always wondered about that. Just played Lexicon Of Love last night, it really stands up. yep, good years for producer Trevor Horn. Also the title track from a later album, How To Be A Zillionaire had some hot remixes (esp. the Bond St. mix) that got lots of play in detroit hotmix radio shows... when that stuff was getting mixed with the native electronic dance music of the time... around the same time Channel One 'Technicolor' was getting hammered constantly on the air... The Wizard on JLB era radio shows. peace Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
-- Original Message -- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] I never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. man, ive liked depeche mode for long enough that i cant remember first hearing about them. and to this day the music for the masses - violator back to back is about as good as it gets by any artist. tom andythepooh.com
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I know in Sicko's Techno Rebels, he lists such groups as ABC in lists of records pertaining to various chapters within the book. I'm still playing Heaven 17's Penthouse and Pavement to this day. ;) On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:19:00 +1000, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: While we're on this topic, what was the ABC record that Mayday remixed! Always wondered about that. Just played Lexicon Of Love last night, it really stands up. -- Wrom: PWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCR To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 2:33 PM Hallo! This whole new order thread reminded me of something I once read in the FAQ section of the 313 mailing list at Hyperreal: The MI, through Derrick, brought a European vibe to our city, something that there never was before. Before, we were just a bunch of middle-class black kids who read The Face and GQ and Melody Maker and dreamt about what London or New York would be like; now ABC and Depeche Mode came to the MI in its heyday to witness the relentless Mayday at work, and to hang out with us. Real Brits ! Real accents ! In our club ! So, the question is: Depeche Mode and Detroit techno has something to do? We've read a lot of comments about New Order already. And how 'bout DM? I'm very curious to know what you guys think about that. []s 2/0 Maarten Baute wrote: Hi, this question was probably asked a couple of times allready on this list... well... then once more. Can someone please tell me how important new order was for the development of techno? What do the detroit guys think of new order? how did it influence what they were doing? Can I find some information on the net covering the link between new order and detroit techno? And what new order albums should I buy as an introduction to the band? --- Check out TWO DIVIDED BY ZERO new track: I | N | T | R | O | S | P | E | C | T | I | V | E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com/music/trax/introspective.mp3 ||| || | | ||| || from the forthcoming album A P P E A R E N C E http://www.twodividedbyzero.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Benn Glazier email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 (0)413 316 618 http://www.royaltech.net
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I tend to lump them with the whole batch of Mute things (Normal, Fad Gadget, DM, Robert Rental) form the late 70s/early 80s) which fall under the larger hand of Daniel Miller. It's hard to get past Miller's seminal influence status during that period, right alongside TG, Cab Volt, etc. I remember when Vince left DM and everyone thought they would fall to pieces; nobody mentions Speak and Spell when they think of Depeche anymore. Interesting shift in style! After Yaz split, Clarke had some pretty nice one-off singles under the name of The Assembly (paired with various vocalists) which bear tracking down. Weren't Depeche Mode and ABC among those who would fly to Detroit to pop in to the old Music Institute? jeff
RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Sure. The old TG/EN/Cab Volt/Mute stuff certainly threads into techno - but bands like Cab Volt and even New Order (which after all evolved from Joy Division) had their flirtations with the whole NY Funk/proto-electro scene via Arthur Baker, John Robie, Benitez, etc...and it might be argued that the latter scene ties more into house. Looking back, the Durannies are quite marked up by the time period and feel awfully cheesy, but then again they did NOT seem that way when those first 12s rolled out. They were what was new and hot before they were mass-marketed. I listened to old school industrial and new wave pop (as well as most anything else I could get my hands on) and I like a good deal of what I hear these days. Also, people's tastes change as time goes on - I'm not sure how much weight one can place upon where one came from with regard to where one is going. Influences are always important, but any number of factors can influence progression or regression. I used to listen to Raw Power a lot (and I'm not opposed to slapping it on right now :-), but I'm not sure that has a lot of effect on what I like in electronic music. I think people have come to the table through a variety of paths, but it's tough at the end of the day to separate cleanly the tributaries which have flowed into the current ocean. I suppose I could have mixed in another metaphor, but I'll let the notion of using a body of water as a table suffice. :-) jeff
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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To add another layer of contentiousness to this fascinating discussion, I'll throw in my 2 cents... I like D2 AND DM. That (along with Tangerine Dream) was basically what turned me on to electronic music in the early days. And I agree, Save a Prayer is ridiculously beautiful. That little bleepy delayed sequence that goes wildly out of tune near the end...magic. I never did understand the OMD appeal though. I think maybe it was because every song was in the shiniest, happiest unrelentingly major key - it all sounded like a vapid commercial for girls' toys or something... Donning flame-retardant suit, -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com sean deason wrote: Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^)
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) spandau ballet? - Original Message - From: sean deason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
I never did understand the OMD appeal though. I think maybe it was because every song was in the shiniest, happiest unrelentingly major key - it all sounded like a vapid commercial for girls' toys or something... No flame suit necessary but I bet hearing their really early stuff like Architecture Morality and Dazzle Ships LPs would change your mind quick. 80-83 era OMD, not vapid at all, but still pop inflections, er... kind of. Cool moody conceptual electronic experimentation (shortwave radio samples of GMT timezone announcers with all the lovable blips and bleeps that go with them, cracking voice samples in other languages) and some of it quite film soundtracky. To me that era of OMD has more in common with early Kraftwerk more than the more overt teen-pop that they finely honed into the later 80s. (which I also like, but in a much different way... in that John Hughes film way I suppose, ha ha). Remember 'If You Leave' appeared on the Pretty In Pink soundtrack alongside New Order, etc.. much more 80s sugary alterna-pop. Check out the track Apollo on the Junk Culture LP... pure tr-808 workout and crazy crashing/explosion sounds at the end... but really it's essentially still an uptempo love song... brilliant IMHO. Didn't OMD have an early 12 release on Factory records? electricity worth checking, not sure how hard that one is to find, anyone? peace, Matt MacQueen
RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
I am actually going to give those two tracks another listen with an open mind, maybe my appreciation for them will increase. I admit I'm a little biased against Duran Duran because whenever I think of them I hear the chorus of Rio going through my mind!!! Lol _Dave -Original Message- From: sean deason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:50 PM To: David Powers; 'J. T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. Duran2!? Cheesy!?? Heretic!! :^) I'm with Cyclone on this issue. If we werent so busy trying to be cool and rejecting all things popular we'd realize the beauty of tracks like The Chauffer and Save a Prayer and the sheer brilliance of the Arcadia album. I never realized there was such a divide on this list between Duran fans and Depeche fans. Next thing you know we'll be feuding over OMD verses...u... funny... I cant seem to think of any group to compare to OMD at the moment...:^) sean I want to go down to Detroit. I want to lie in the shade. I wanna visit the president. And then I wanna get laid. Name that tune! I defy Eminem to deny he's not influenced by those brilliant words! - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'J. T.' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: RE: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. You guys gotta be kidding, Duran Duran is so cheesy! Whereas Depeche Mode I like musically--they had a pretty innovative sound for the time, and also find the things they sing about to be pretty interesting. Of course one could fault them with providing lots of ammo for future goth posers, but really is that fair? I feel that there is a relationship between techno and (esp. early) goth and industrial; I think this is a difference between techno and the deep house scene, although they do have many things in common. It's just a little hard for me to see much of a connection between deep house/neosoul/broken beat stuff and the old goth and industrial stuff, whereas with techno (and maybe stuff coming out of acid house) I definitely see a connection. We hear too much the getting old theory of musical taste, but maybe whether people came to techno through an enjoyment of some type of industrial music also has a lot do with the direction of their musical tastes??? Please discuss. Regardless, I like it all. Actually after repeated listens I've started to dig some stuff I didn't get into at first, most especially Amp Fiddler's Basementality, and Love and War, neither of which I really dug on first listen. Now I am almost considering trying to find them and buying. BTW, our own Sean Deason must have liked DM cus he sampled that I Just Can't Get Enough song on the white label Matrix record he made a little while ago. Although personally I prefer the material that came about a little later, when they moved from synthpop into a slightly darker vein. The album with Lie to Me and Blasphemous Rumors is really great in my opinion, and the use of electronics and production on the album is just excellent. _Dave -Original Message- From: J. T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order. never liked Depeche Mode as much but *every* electronic musician will namecheck them. I preferred Duran Duran. They were really underrated, probably as they were too pretty. ;) The Chauffeur was amazing. Their remixes (or extended versions) are great. hehe. i gotta confess that i was always more into the durans than depeche mode too, but that could've been because DM just wasnt on the radio on much where i grew up, compared to dd...plus the durans had sexy girls in their videos while depeche mode were usually wandering around some london streets or something looking upsethaha actually i am a big fan of either one of those settings.. anyways speaking of good 80's pop/romantic, i still love the fixx's reach the beach. some really nice sounds jt _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) How about Depeche Mode? was: new order.
Am I the only one who has never really got the appeal of a lot of the 80s New romantic stuff to techno heads? I mean I can understand a few individual tracks, but I've always thought of bands like ABC and Duran Duran as being a bit...well...not my cup of tea anyway. Admitidly I've not listened to any of it since it was all over the radio in the 80s so maybe the cheesy pop music that I associate with many of these bands isn't all there is to be discovered and I should delve deeper. I was a big Adam and the Ants fan when I was a kid, but thats about the only impact the whole new romantic thing ever had on me. My guess is I'm missing the target by a mile and theres a wealth of undiscovered gems out there. I'd like that, but when I think of ABC I think of Poison Arrow and the Look of Love and it just doesn't register with me at all. Stewart __ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.
