Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
On 4/4/06, Alex Lugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watching Jeremy Ellis working the MPC is the epitome of using that piece of gear live, IMHO. I haven't seen it done better. ill agree with that! the opening bit of his set at movement 03 when he was rocking the mpc solo was absolutely incredible. unfortunately shortly thereafter his show devolved into some show-tunes-esque soul stuff that made me get clowned on by anyone i mentioned how awesome the early part of his set was to. john arnold live on the midi guitar + mpc aint half bad either! to
RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
There are a few different types of live PAing. You've got an Ableton live arrangement/dub, or something like Stewart Walker where he uses an MPC + his other kit where he will have most of the patterns sequenced in advance, but he'll play some of them live on the MPC pads, and then trigger the sequences from the MPC as well (although I vaguely recall hearing he's using a laptop now)? Herbert will have most things pre-sequenced, and then he'll sample the sounds live. Then there's an entirely different level of liveness where almost all of the music is created on the fly a la Ayro and John Arnold, or Shawn Rudiman, where they play multiple instruments or machines in real time, have the seuencer take over for some of those parts, then move on to something else, only relying on a few bits of pre-arranged material. I'd say this last type has the most bang for the buck for sure. That Sendex show I was talking about on Sunday was sort of a cross between Stewart Walker and Shawn Rudiman styles maybe. Oh, and I was corrected after my last post that he actually had an 808 as well if anyone cares. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006
RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
I saw Stewart Walker a couple of months ago and he was basically using ableton and one of those doepfer pocket faderboxes running into a DJM600, nothing else. Seeing Monolake live using ableton was quite impressive - after all he basically designed the software for himself to use. He played a set of really good, deep, chain reaction-type stuff, and all he used was the ableton instruments and effects, no plug-ins. All sounds were generated by operator and he was just tweaking stuff and writing clips on the fly. And again, all he was using to control everything was a doepfer pocket fader and the laptop touchpad/keyboard; the much-vaunted monodeck was nowhere in sight. Mindblowing stuff. Sure, if you recorded the output the sound quality might not be so amazing that you could release it as a track, but in the context of a live show it was wicked. First time I've ever seen ableton used as an instrument, if you know what I mean. For 'proper' live, though, I think you'd have to go a long way to beat Jamie Lidell. He makes pretty much every sound using his mouth and has a custom max/msp program that samples and loops his beatboxing/wailing/silly banter, and then runs that through a mixing desk with some delay and reverb sends, together with an MPC1000 with some beats on it and a minimoog for extra phat crunch. And he puts on a proper show. And it's dripping with soul. You MUST see him if he's playing within 100 miles of you. (further if you have means of transport beyond walking). I'd like to see galoppierende zuversicht live as well - they show up with a bunch of hardware (NO laptops), a fair bit of it home-made, and just jam away for an hour or so. Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/04/2006 10:09 am There are a few different types of live PAing. You've got an Ableton live arrangement/dub, or something like Stewart Walker where he uses an MPC + his other kit where he will have most of the patterns sequenced in advance, but he'll play some of them live on the MPC pads, and then trigger the sequences from the MPC as well (although I vaguely recall hearing he's using a laptop now)? Herbert will have most things pre-sequenced, and then he'll sample the sounds live. Then there's an entirely different level of liveness where almost all of the music is created on the fly a la Ayro and John Arnold, or Shawn Rudiman, where they play multiple instruments or machines in real time, have the seuencer take over for some of those parts, then move on to something else, only relying on a few bits of pre-arranged material. I'd say this last type has the most bang for the buck for sure. That Sendex show I was talking about on Sunday was sort of a cross between Stewart Walker and Shawn Rudiman styles maybe. Oh, and I was corrected after my last post that he actually had an 808 as well if anyone cares. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006
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-Original Message- From: Simon Hindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2006 01:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? For 'proper' live, though, I think you'd have to go a long way to beat Jamie Lidell. He makes pretty much every sound using his mouth and has a custom max/msp program that samples and loops his beatboxing/wailing/silly banter, and then runs that through a mixing desk with some delay and reverb sends, together with an MPC1000 with some beats on it and a minimoog for extra phat crunch. And he puts on a proper show. And it's dripping with soul. You MUST see him if he's playing within 100 miles of you. (further if you have means of transport beyond walking). Ah yes. I forgot about Lidell. Agreed he's a must-see, and up there with the best. I wasn't quite as blown-away by Monolake, but I wasn't really in a state to evaluate properly. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006
Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I saw Stewart Walker a couple of months ago and he was basically using ableton and one of those doepfer pocket faderboxes running into a DJM600, nothing else. Seeing Monolake live using ableton was quite impressive - after all he basically designed the software for himself to use. He played a set of really good, deep, chain reaction-type stuff, and all he used was the ableton instruments and effects, no plug-ins. All sounds were generated by operator and he was just tweaking stuff and writing clips on the fly. And again, all he was using to control everything was a doepfer pocket fader and the laptop touchpad/keyboard; the much-vaunted monodeck was nowhere in sight. Mindblowing stuff. Sure, if you recorded the output the sound quality might not be so amazing that you could release it as a track, but in the context of a live show it was wicked. First time I've ever seen ableton used as an instrument, if you know what I mean. For 'proper' live, though, I think you'd have to go a long way to beat Jamie Lidell. He makes pretty much every sound using his mouth and has a custom max/msp program that samples and loops his beatboxing/wailing/silly banter, and then runs that through a mixing desk with some delay and reverb sends, together with an MPC1000 with some beats on it and a minimoog for extra phat crunch. And he puts on a proper show. And it's dripping with soul. You MUST see him if he's playing within 100 miles of you. (further if you have means of transport beyond walking). I'd like to see galoppierende zuversicht live as well - they show up with a bunch of hardware (NO laptops), a fair bit of it home-made, and just jam away for an hour or so. Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/04/2006 10:09 am There are a few different types of live PAing. You've got an Ableton live arrangement/dub, or something like Stewart Walker where he uses an MPC + his other kit where he will have most of the patterns sequenced in advance, but he'll play some of them live on the MPC pads, and then trigger the sequences from the MPC as well (although I vaguely recall hearing he's using a laptop now)? Herbert will have most things pre-sequenced, and then he'll sample the sounds live. Then there's an entirely different level of liveness where almost all of the music is created on the fly a la Ayro and John Arnold, or Shawn Rudiman, where they play multiple instruments or machines in real time, have the seuencer take over for some of those parts, then move on to something else, only relying on a few bits of pre-arranged material. I'd say this last type has the most bang for the buck for sure. That Sendex show I was talking about on Sunday was sort of a cross between Stewart Walker and Shawn Rudiman styles maybe. Oh, and I was corrected after my last post that he actually had an 808 as well if anyone cares. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006
Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
No wonder there's so many bugs in 5 :) m On 5 Apr 2006, at 12:36, /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers
Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
Don't be silly he won't be using max/msp these days. robin... /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers
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as far as I know and seen he has not used max/msp for a live solo show as monolake for many years... hes was using abelton for his live shows as far back as 2002 which was the last time I hosted him up here in toronto. I think he might use abelton to synthasis sounds in the studio but thats along with a bunch of other tools he uses I know he still uses max/msp for his project with deadbeat but thats a very different beast from the monolake project. neil.. aka naw On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I saw Stewart Walker a couple of months ago and he was basically using ableton and one of those doepfer pocket faderboxes running into a DJM600, nothing else. Seeing Monolake live using ableton was quite impressive - after all he basically designed the software for himself to use. He played a set of really good, deep, chain reaction-type stuff, and all he used was the ableton instruments and effects, no plug-ins. All sounds were generated by operator and he was just tweaking stuff and writing clips on the fly. And again, all he was using to control everything was a doepfer pocket fader and the laptop touchpad/keyboard; the much-vaunted monodeck was nowhere in sight. Mindblowing stuff. Sure, if you recorded the output the sound quality might not be so amazing that you could release it as a track, but in the context of a live show it was wicked. First time I've ever seen ableton used as an instrument, if you know what I mean. For 'proper' live, though, I think you'd have to go a long way to beat Jamie Lidell. He makes pretty much every sound using his mouth and has a custom max/msp program that samples and loops his beatboxing/wailing/silly banter, and then runs that through a mixing desk with some delay and reverb sends, together with an MPC1000 with some beats on it and a minimoog for extra phat crunch. And he puts on a proper show. And it's dripping with soul. You MUST see him if he's playing within 100 miles of you. (further if you have means of transport beyond walking). I'd like to see galoppierende zuversicht live as well - they show up with a bunch of hardware (NO laptops), a fair bit of it home-made, and just jam away for an hour or so. Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/04/2006 10:09 am There are a few different types of live PAing. You've got an Ableton live arrangement/dub, or something like Stewart Walker where he uses an MPC + his other kit where he will have most of the patterns sequenced in advance, but he'll play some of them live on the MPC pads, and then trigger the sequences from the MPC as well (although I vaguely recall hearing he's using a laptop now)? Herbert will have most things pre-sequenced, and then he'll sample the sounds live. Then there's an entirely different level of liveness where almost all of the music is created on the fly a la Ayro and John Arnold, or Shawn Rudiman, where they play multiple instruments or machines in real time, have the seuencer take over for some of those parts, then move on to something else, only relying on a few bits of pre-arranged material. I'd say this last type has the most bang for the buck for sure. That Sendex show I was talking about on Sunday was sort of a cross between Stewart Walker and Shawn Rudiman styles maybe. Oh, and I was corrected after my last post that he actually had an 808 as well if anyone cares. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006 www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
you're right, this probably isnt max/msp: http://www.monolake.de/atlantic.html robert has both posted his own performance patches, and helped me with mine (subpatcher for midi learn capabilities) in the past 12 months from this, I base my previous statements. robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be silly he won't be using max/msp these days. robin... /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers
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that's for a different project though isn't it? i do however stand (partially) corrected. :) robin... /0 wrote: you're right, this probably isnt max/msp: http://www.monolake.de/atlantic.html robert has both posted his own performance patches, and helped me with mine (subpatcher for midi learn capabilities) in the past 12 months from this, I base my previous statements. robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be silly he won't be using max/msp these days. robin... /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] use it, it exists for a reason Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder there's so many bugs in 5 :) m On 5 Apr 2006, at 12:36, /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers
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thats a different project atlantic waves is his project with deadbeat its not monolake solo... I know he still uses max/msp for his robert henkie and atlantic waves stuff but not for the monolake project when hes playing live any how... Ive hosted robert a number of times in toronto and the first time in 2000 he was using max/msp but since then as monolake hes been using abelton live for his stuff as monolake solo when playing live. On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, /0 wrote: you're right, this probably isnt max/msp: http://www.monolake.de/atlantic.html robert has both posted his own performance patches, and helped me with mine (subpatcher for midi learn capabilities) in the past 12 months from this, I base my previous statements. robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be silly he won't be using max/msp these days. robin... /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
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as interested as I am in parsing the english language with you, (ie I didnt mention monolake, I mentioned robert, who solely comprises monolake at this point) I think i'll go home and play with audio instead. :D Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats a different project atlantic waves is his project with deadbeat its not monolake solo... I know he still uses max/msp for his robert henkie and atlantic waves stuff but not for the monolake project when hes playing live any how... Ive hosted robert a number of times in toronto and the first time in 2000 he was using max/msp but since then as monolake hes been using abelton live for his stuff as monolake solo when playing live. On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, /0 wrote: you're right, this probably isnt max/msp: http://www.monolake.de/atlantic.html robert has both posted his own performance patches, and helped me with mine (subpatcher for midi learn capabilities) in the past 12 months from this, I base my previous statements. robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be silly he won't be using max/msp these days. robin... /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers www.phoniq.net releases available on: www.noisefactoryrecords.com publication: www.vagueterrain.net
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he's played in detroit as monolake, using this software to communicate/collab with deadbeat I think. robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's for a different project though isn't it? i do however stand (partially) corrected. :) robin... /0 wrote: you're right, this probably isnt max/msp: http://www.monolake.de/atlantic.html robert has both posted his own performance patches, and helped me with mine (subpatcher for midi learn capabilities) in the past 12 months from this, I base my previous statements. robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't be silly he won't be using max/msp these days. robin... /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers
Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
You have such a way with words, the wrong way - and when I start getting paid as a bug tester for something they charge $500 for I'll give you or ableton a bell, until then I'll wait until they've finished the next 12 builds before they get midi to work properly, if that's alright with you? [EMAIL PROTECTED] use it, it exists for a reason
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there's a pic of Sendex's set-up here: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f52/tony_little/TTB007.jpg -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2006 01:10 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? There are a few different types of live PAing. You've got an Ableton live arrangement/dub, or something like Stewart Walker where he uses an MPC + his other kit where he will have most of the patterns sequenced in advance, but he'll play some of them live on the MPC pads, and then trigger the sequences from the MPC as well (although I vaguely recall hearing he's using a laptop now)? Herbert will have most things pre-sequenced, and then he'll sample the sounds live. Then there's an entirely different level of liveness where almost all of the music is created on the fly a la Ayro and John Arnold, or Shawn Rudiman, where they play multiple instruments or machines in real time, have the seuencer take over for some of those parts, then move on to something else, only relying on a few bits of pre-arranged material. I'd say this last type has the most bang for the buck for sure. That Sendex show I was talking about on Sunday was sort of a cross between Stewart Walker and Shawn Rudiman styles maybe. Oh, and I was corrected after my last post that he actually had an 808 as well if anyone cares. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006
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That looks pretty cool Dave, all that kit in a sweat hot nightclub tho, don't think I could :) - Original Message - From: Dave Stenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] there's a pic of Sendex's set-up here: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f52/tony_little/TTB007.jpg
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go back to sleep martin, you've outlived your use to me. - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? You have such a way with words, the wrong way - and when I start getting paid as a bug tester for something they charge $500 for I'll give you or ableton a bell, until then I'll wait until they've finished the next 12 builds before they get midi to work properly, if that's alright with you? [EMAIL PROTECTED] use it, it exists for a reason
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@o/ Keep posting troll shxt and you just may outlive your use to the world. And I thought to was a hater :). Plus, aren't you the one always whining about how if it's not on topic it shouldn't be here? Let's see monolake? Max/msp? Doesn't sound Detroit to me...Dumba$$... On another note. And maybe barely more topical. BETH ORTON: The British singer-songwriter combines a traditional acoustic folk sound with electronic beats. Free Press special writer Martin Bandyke said Orton's voice has an overwhelming emotional tug. Willy Mason opens the show. Doors at 6:30 p.m. Majestic Theatre, 4140 Woodward, Detroit. 313-833-9700. $20. Now I'm not too familiar with beth orton's voice except in passing, but has she been doing the folk over electronica thing for long? Anyone hear anything about this show? Anyone going? I'm really interested in this kind of thing as I'm currently doing some collabo work with someone along the same lines. Anyone here have any recommendations for this type of thing if not exactly beth-Orton-goes-electro? Thanks. Kks Mwnb
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you're saying that monolake is offtopic on a techno list, and j dilla isn't?! On Apr 5, 2006, at 16:51, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Let's see monolake? Max/msp? Doesn't sound Detroit to me...Dumba$$... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No- not any more- he's def. using Live- usually a slightly modified version as far as I know cheers Jason On 5 Apr 2006, at 12:36, /0 wrote: actually, I think robert is using max/msp. live is based off an msp patch, which has been available for years and years. a lot of lives concepts come from msp patchers - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
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I have to say, it works pretty damn well for me- using two MOTU Midi Express XT's with 8 outs each and I'm well happy Jason On 5 Apr 2006, at 19:00, Martin Dust wrote: You have such a way with words, the wrong way - and when I start getting paid as a bug tester for something they charge $500 for I'll give you or ableton a bell, until then I'll wait until they've finished the next 12 builds before they get midi to work properly, if that's alright with you? [EMAIL PROTECTED] use it, it exists for a reason
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Stick a Powercore and Virus Ti and you won't be :) They're know bugs Jason and have been there for a long time, I love the program just sick of waiting... - Original Message - From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I have to say, it works pretty damn well for me- using two MOTU Midi Express XT's with 8 outs each and I'm well happy Jason
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Well in Joe's defence I'd say a hefty proportion of the stuff on the list isn't directly about Detroit these days- Robert Henke's music is certainly a hell of a lot closer (in my mind) to the spirit of adventurous electronic music that Detroit helped to foster/inspire- there's a shed load of Detroit releases which have been out recently which haven't even raised a single comment on the list so a wee conversation about Monolake doesn't seem to out of place in the meantime Jason On 5 Apr 2006, at 21:51, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: @o/ Keep posting troll shxt and you just may outlive your use to the world. And I thought to was a hater :). Plus, aren't you the one always whining about how if it's not on topic it shouldn't be here? Let's see monolake? Max/msp? Doesn't sound Detroit to me...Dumba$$... On another note. And maybe barely more topical. BETH ORTON: The British singer-songwriter combines a traditional acoustic folk sound with electronic beats. Free Press special writer Martin Bandyke said Orton's voice has an overwhelming emotional tug. Willy Mason opens the show. Doors at 6:30 p.m. Majestic Theatre, 4140 Woodward, Detroit. 313-833-9700. $20. Now I'm not too familiar with beth orton's voice except in passing, but has she been doing the folk over electronica thing for long? Anyone hear anything about this show? Anyone going? I'm really interested in this kind of thing as I'm currently doing some collabo work with someone along the same lines. Anyone here have any recommendations for this type of thing if not exactly beth-Orton-goes-electro? Thanks. Kks Mwnb
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I've got a Powercore (plus warious Waldorf and Acess 3rd party plug ins) and it too works fine with Live on my system- the Virus Ti seems to cause a lot of people a lot of problems (in particular a Mr Rei Loci of Iridite who hasn't been able to get much out of his since getting it a couple of months ago- Cubase SX user)- not saying that Live is completely flawless but I would say its the most well implemented piece of software I've used since Notator in the early 90's Jason On 5 Apr 2006, at 22:37, Martin Dust wrote: Stick a Powercore and Virus Ti and you won't be :) They're know bugs Jason and have been there for a long time, I love the program just sick of waiting... - Original Message - From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I have to say, it works pretty damn well for me- using two MOTU Midi Express XT's with 8 outs each and I'm well happy Jason
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no problems here either...but the midi is pretty simplified so i'm still using cubase for more delicate midi projects... what kinda bugs have you runt into martin? ps that richard h kirk track on the dust science myspaz page does it for me bigtime... -Original Message- From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 5, 2006 5:32 PM To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I have to say, it works pretty damn well for me- using two MOTU Midi Express XT's with 8 outs each and I'm well happy Jason On 5 Apr 2006, at 19:00, Martin Dust wrote: You have such a way with words, the wrong way - and when I start getting paid as a bug tester for something they charge $500 for I'll give you or ableton a bell, until then I'll wait until they've finished the next 12 builds before they get midi to work properly, if that's alright with you? [EMAIL PROTECTED] use it, it exists for a reason
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Nh, I'M not saying ANYTHING'S off topic. I'm saying this cat has habitually called folks out for being techno-but-not-Detroit or Detroit-but-not-techno or any other type of OT he can think of, meanwhile lobbing troll comments to one of the most polite people I've read messages from here (martin). Just saying cool out and talk about something or don't. but no need to be rude without provocation. For the record though. I thought it was a pretty interesting thread until it got to the point of, I know more about what monolake uses than you. I think the list is good for all things music that can be remotely traced back to tha d. which is pretty much everything. So I don't trip as much about OT (actually not at all). Unless it devolves into something rude and ugly. Which his comments were. And I agree about the spirit of Detroit thing Jason said about monolake. Maybe I'm just getting soft. Or maybe I've outlived my use to this list (as if I've ever had one :) Kks mwnb NP: Violent Femmes - Children Of The Revolution -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:02 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: /0; Martin Dust; 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? you're saying that monolake is offtopic on a techno list, and j dilla isn't?! On Apr 5, 2006, at 16:51, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Let's see monolake? Max/msp? Doesn't sound Detroit to me...Dumba$$... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've got a Powercore (plus warious Waldorf and Acess 3rd party plug ins) There's a few memory problems with the Powercore but it seems that when you add a Ti it becomes a world of pain, a good friend sold their Ti because of the grief... and it too works fine with Live on my system- the Virus Ti seems to cause a lot of people a lot of problems (in particular a Mr Rei Loci of Iridite who hasn't been able to get much out of his since getting it a couple of months ago- Cubase SX user)- not saying that Live is completely flawless but I would say its the most well implemented piece of software I've used since Notator in the early 90's I have no problems at all with 4.1.4 but five has been a pain where midi has been concerned. Dropping notes, holding notes and switching patches - and if you do a long jam session the whole thing starts to lose sync... M
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no problems here either...but the midi is pretty simplified so i'm still using cubase for more delicate midi projects... what kinda bugs have you runt into martin? All kinds :) Crashes, missing data, out of sync mostly ps that richard h kirk track on the dust science myspaz page does it for me bigtime... Yeah, he still does the biz after all this time, I really love his work m
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h, I'M not saying ANYTHING'S off topic. I'm saying this cat has .habitually called folks out for being techno-but-not-Detroit or Detroit-but-not-techno or any other type of OT he can think of, meanwhile lobbing troll comments to one of the most polite people I've read messages from here (martin). Hey Kamal, thanks for the props but don't worry about me, I can take the harsh comments, there's no harm done. m
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Oh man, I didn't get offended personally. I can get all ocd about fairness sometimes though (need meds). Thanks for the kind words. So no one with any kind of anything on the folk/electro thing? Everybody as unfamiliar as me with beth orton's music then I take it? Very well then... Kks mwnb -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:55 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal; Matt Kane's Brain Cc: Martin Dust; 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I'm sorry if what I said offended you Kamal. and as I do comment when the list goes off topic, you're perfectly justified in your desire to call me out when you feel I've gone off topic. you and I have no problem, I hope this finds you in better spirits. -Joe
Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it?
I have no problems at all with 4.1.4 but five has been a pain where midi has been concerned. Dropping notes, holding notes and switching patches - and if you do a long jam session the whole thing starts to lose sync... ohh yeah, rewind...i got those same problems. i just figured it was my comp or something. i just redo until it comes out ok, which is my normal process anyways.
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So no one with any kind of anything on the folk/electro thing? Everybody as unfamiliar as me with beth orton's music then I take it? Very well then... Black Dog did a few remixes for her, Caroline Martin is also worth checking out, she has a really soft lullaby voice that manages to transfer a lot of feelings - I like her work a lot, she did a track with us but we haven't mixed it yet. Have you tried Fire+Ice/Death In June stuff? m
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I have no problems at all with 4.1.4 but five has been a pain where midi has been concerned. Dropping notes, holding notes and switching patches - and if you do a long jam session the whole thing starts to lose sync... ohh yeah, rewind...i got those same problems. i just figured it was my comp or something. i just redo until it comes out ok, which is my normal process anyways. It's more for live stuff really, it's fine with pure audio but we wanted to add more machines to set up to help break things up and random factors - I guess it will work out soon enough...
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Have you tried Fire+Ice/Death In June stuff? Nope not at all. Thanks for the response. I got tired of vocals in dance music back in the old times when all the vocalist were either screaming, wailing, or trying to sound sexier than the next. Haven't really given in to vocals fully since (barring the odd gripping track here or there). My girl is wy into vocals though, so consequently I've been coming more round to them. I've liked what I've heard of the folk/electro hybrid, as folk singers tend to concentrate more on what they're conveying vocally than the amount of sex (or any other type of)appeal in their voice. I'm stoked about it (hence the collabo) and I'll definitely give those recommendations a listen. KKS MWNB -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:05 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? So no one with any kind of anything on the folk/electro thing? Everybody as unfamiliar as me with beth orton's music then I take it? Very well then... Black Dog did a few remixes for her, Caroline Martin is also worth checking out, she has a really soft lullaby voice that manages to transfer a lot of feelings - I like her work a lot, she did a track with us but we haven't mixed it yet. m
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Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Coil and Sol Invictus may be worth a look then, although I recommend to listen before you buy as some of it may be a tad way out there - I'll have a dig through my collection and see if I can add more names to the list... Have you tried Fire+Ice/Death In June stuff? Nope not at all. Thanks for the response. I got tired of vocals in dance music back in the old times when all the vocalist were either screaming, wailing, or trying to sound sexier than the next. Haven't really given in to vocals fully since (barring the odd gripping track here or there). My girl is wy into vocals though, so consequently I've been coming more round to them. I've liked what I've heard of the folk/electro hybrid, as folk singers tend to concentrate more on what they're conveying vocally than the amount of sex (or any other type of)appeal in their voice. I'm stoked about it (hence the collabo) and I'll definitely give those recommendations a listen. I'd agree, just look at what Cash did with Hurt, that track and video is one of the most moving things I've heard in a long time...I always thought Los Hermanos may move into this area... m
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I'm sorry if what I said offended you Kamal. and as I do comment when the list goes off topic, you're perfectly justified in your desire to call me out when you feel I've gone off topic. you and I have no problem, I hope this finds you in better spirits. -Joe - Original Message - From: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: RE: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? Nh, I'M not saying ANYTHING'S off topic. I'm saying this cat has habitually called folks out for being techno-but-not-Detroit or Detroit-but-not-techno or any other type of OT he can think of, meanwhile lobbing troll comments to one of the most polite people I've read messages from here (martin). Just saying cool out and talk about something or don't. but no need to be rude without provocation. For the record though. I thought it was a pretty interesting thread until it got to the point of, I know more about what monolake uses than you. I think the list is good for all things music that can be remotely traced back to tha d. which is pretty much everything. So I don't trip as much about OT (actually not at all). Unless it devolves into something rude and ugly. Which his comments were. And I agree about the spirit of Detroit thing Jason said about monolake. Maybe I'm just getting soft. Or maybe I've outlived my use to this list (as if I've ever had one :) Kks mwnb NP: Violent Femmes - Children Of The Revolution -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:02 PM To: Stoddard, Kamal Cc: /0; Martin Dust; 313@Hyperreal.Org 313 Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? you're saying that monolake is offtopic on a techno list, and j dilla isn't?! On Apr 5, 2006, at 16:51, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Let's see monolake? Max/msp? Doesn't sound Detroit to me...Dumba$$... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm actually very curious to know what people mean when they say they play live. What exactly are they playing live? They only have two hands For drums, they can play some kind of pattern, but if they're playing even close to a whole beat, they'd have no hands left. Do they mostly just have some sequencer(s) going and maybe they choose which pattern or sequence of patterns will come next? That's do-able with a drum machine. I've never used a hardware sequencer, so I don't know if it works the same way. In short, just how live is live? And why do I get the impression live-without-a-laptop is supposed to be more live than with-a-laptop? thanks, Jamil seek wrote: http://www.derivativeinc.com/Events/15-Plastikman/ Richie is using Ableton Live and his new CTRL controller as the front-end to Derivative's TouchMixer, which is generating live visuals for over 25 Plastikman songs. Playing a music loop in Ableton also automatically triggers and syncs a visual element in TouchMixer, while volume faders and other sliders affect details of the visual elements, like brightness or size. This setup enables Richie to experiment with visual combinations, which as a side effect, induces unique sonic combinations..
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everythign is pre-written, but part-sequenced live. basically they are using fx and muting/unmuting tracks - Original Message - From: Jamil Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? I'm actually very curious to know what people mean when they say they play live. What exactly are they playing live? They only have two hands For drums, they can play some kind of pattern, but if they're playing even close to a whole beat, they'd have no hands left. Do they mostly just have some sequencer(s) going and maybe they choose which pattern or sequence of patterns will come next? That's do-able with a drum machine. I've never used a hardware sequencer, so I don't know if it works the same way. In short, just how live is live? And why do I get the impression live-without-a-laptop is supposed to be more live than with-a-laptop? thanks, Jamil seek wrote: http://www.derivativeinc.com/Events/15-Plastikman/ Richie is using Ableton Live and his new CTRL controller as the front-end to Derivative's TouchMixer, which is generating live visuals for over 25 Plastikman songs. Playing a music loop in Ableton also automatically triggers and syncs a visual element in TouchMixer, while volume faders and other sliders affect details of the visual elements, like brightness or size. This setup enables Richie to experiment with visual combinations, which as a side effect, induces unique sonic combinations..
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On 4/4/06, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everythign is pre-written, but part-sequenced live. basically they are using fx and muting/unmuting tracks which essentially is live arranging for the most part. although you can use some roland drum machines (808, 909 definitely, not sure about the 626 or 707 or any others) in write mode with all percussion lines and arrangement done on the fly. and of course if youre using actual synths, you can tweak/program all your sounds live too. tom
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if you'r;e using x0x gear in write mode, you're missing the boat. its all about tap input - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) how Richie does it -- how do most do it? On 4/4/06, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everythign is pre-written, but part-sequenced live. basically they are using fx and muting/unmuting tracks which essentially is live arranging for the most part. although you can use some roland drum machines (808, 909 definitely, not sure about the 626 or 707 or any others) in write mode with all percussion lines and arrangement done on the fly. and of course if youre using actual synths, you can tweak/program all your sounds live too. tom
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Watching Jeremy Ellis working the MPC is the epitome of using that piece of gear live, IMHO. I haven't seen it done better. Peace, Alex --- Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/06, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everythign is pre-written, but part-sequenced live. basically they are using fx and muting/unmuting tracks which essentially is live arranging for the most part. although you can use some roland drum machines (808, 909 definitely, not sure about the 626 or 707 or any others) in write mode with all percussion lines and arrangement done on the fly. and of course if youre using actual synths, you can tweak/program all your sounds live too. tom __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
