Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hey folks, Really appreciate the views here. I think we should have these discussion on such sensitive issues regularly. My views on the same: 1. Your resume should talk about your qualification, experience, achievements and other skills. Do not mention about your disability because your resume is screened by many ppl in the chain like the recruitor, consultants, managers etc etc. Not all ppl in the chain will be sensitive to the disability and having disability on the resume may trigger negative vibes . Remember, the objective is to sell your skill to suit the job requirement here and get a process shortlist. 2. When you have an interview / process call, do make it point that the concern authorities like H.R, are aware about the same before you reach for the interview. Here is when you may want to ask for any reasonable accomodation as for many jobs you may be required to attend for multiple rounds and may have a case or something like that. Not having your accomodation like screen reader, scribes may hamper your chances. 3. in case there is a application form, asking about disability, do not hide. By adopting this approach, I ensured that I avoid unwarranted judgements of various ppl in the chain who does not really matter for the job. However, by informing just before the interview, I ensure that I do not hide and also may request for any accomodations if required. At the same time, my true stakeholders are duly made aware of the same. In case the company is not really open, they will let you know at this stage only thereby avoiding any embaresement, and time investment. The above may not be in congruance with some of your views, however, the affore approach has proven to be quite effective for me. Open to your views on the same. Regards Ankit 9535767654 On 5/19/11, Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org wrote: Agree with that. Seeing the thread, I think, we should decide from case-to-case.Like if you are applying to companies like IBM, MphasiS etc, where they would ask about disability up front since they have enough sensitization towards disability and based on the nature of disability, they could make necessary arrangements during interview. Best, -Vasu On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:05 AM, RAJ VASWANI mr.rajvasw...@gmail.comwrote: I completely agree with Prateek. - Original Message - From: prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I’m able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer “how able you are”, rather “how disable you are”. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hey Prateek, Though personally I appreciate your approach towards disability, but to me counting disability as a mere health problem doesn't sound perfect from the point of view of other people. Logically you are right, and as a person with blindness I also support such attitude, but it applies to us not to others, where due to lack of awareness they have lots of issues with regard to disability. So, this fact must be known to the employer. We are not differing in terms of letting the fact known to the employer, but its the stage where we differ. On 5/18/11, prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com wrote: hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I’m able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer “how able you are”, rather “how disable you are”. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hello Prateek sir, even if we do not mention our disability in our resume when we apply for a job, it is not going to be hidden when we appear for an interview. Moreover the persons with other health problems which you mentioned have little or no special needs while we as differently able persons do have special needs to overcome our disability/limitations. So i think the employer should be aware of our disability and limitations and the ways and means we use to overcome them. The employers are concerned with the output from us and if they find that the adaptive inputs are less than our output why should they reject us just because we are the persons with special needs! - Original Message - From: prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I’m able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer “how able you are”, rather “how disable you are”. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Instead of not mentioning about our disabilities why don't we preffer to mention the methods we have adapted to overcome it! This will create a clear picture in the employer's mind at the time of an interview and doubts in the employer's mind may be replaced by respect for our currage and confidence. - Original Message - From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hy srinivasu sir I am totally agread with you because in our country things are quite different even the people who are doctors and specially deal with eyes treatment they also don't know the ablities the assistive technology can provide to visually impaired then what about employers? how can we assume that they hav any idea regarding jaws and other assistive technologies though things are quite changed in the recent time but we will have to wate for at least 4 to 5 years to show our impairment in our cv these are my personal views regards On 5/17/11, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots. I would not prefer to convince people who are dam negative, because though after interview I might get the job due to the touch which it leaves on people's brain after seeing such commendable things like assistive technologies, but then at every step I'll need to do an extra effort of making them understand that yes, I can do this or that. I do not fear from taking challenges, but I would not want to take such challenges in areas like job where I need to spend my whole life, or few years, because coming over these challenges gets you nothing out of it, only the thing which you get is that the work is done by you. Whereas if the employer is of understanding nature, then after looking at your working style, he will appoint you, and not only that, he will let you do all things which you are capable of doing. In very few cases, you'll need to convince such an employer, and such cases would be so that where an ordinary person would not presume that a blind can do this thing. For example, using touch screen phone with screen reading technology or understanding images using tactle. Might not be a sound example, but at least that makes my point clear. If I may give my own example, then when I interned in Jan this year, I was well accepted by people of the office, but I was not given good amount of work despite prooving myself in all works which they gave me. Whereas, the place where I am currently interning, I am getting every day some or other thing, and I am making my brain strong. If I would have continued in my previous company, then my progress would have been slower then what I am doing now. Another example, if you go to branch manager for banking facilities, and if he just because of the banking circulars give you all the facilities and if at later date some facility come, he might deny or ask you for another circular. But if your manager is sensible and understanding person, then if he understands at the initial stage itself about various things related
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
I agree to this point of view. You can prove your abilities dispite being a VI once you get a chance to meet the employers. Moment you mention disability in the CV, the employer may by his judgement assume that you cannot do the job and not call you for the interview. Here you do not get a chance to prove your ability though you are very sure that you can do it. Once you are already in the interview, no one can stop you from conveying what your abilities are and how you can overcome your visual disability and perform the tasks efficiently. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of prateek aggarwal Sent: 18 May 2011 08:39 To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I'm able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer how able you are, rather how disable you are. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
I think there are a lot of assumptions being posted to this thread. Each case will be a different situation and needs special ways to handle them. My personal view is that do not disclose disability in cv but discuss it very importantly in the interview. Explain the employer how you can overcome all chalanges. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Gautam Sent: 18 May 2011 05:54 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots. I would not prefer to convince people who are dam negative, because though after interview I might get the job due to the touch which it leaves on people's brain after seeing such commendable things like assistive technologies, but then at every step I'll need to do an extra effort of making them understand that yes, I can do this or that. I do not fear from taking challenges, but I would not want to take such challenges in areas like job where I need to spend my whole life, or few years, because coming over these challenges gets you nothing out of it, only the thing which you get is that the work is done by you. Whereas if the employer is of understanding nature, then after looking at your working style, he will appoint you, and not only that, he will let you do all things which you are capable of doing. In very few cases, you'll need to convince such an employer, and such cases would be so that where an ordinary person would not presume that a blind can do this thing. For example, using touch screen phone with screen reading technology or understanding images using tactle. Might not be a sound example, but at least that makes my point clear. If I may give my own example, then when I interned in Jan this year, I was well accepted by people of the office, but I was not given good amount of work despite prooving myself in all works which they gave me. Whereas, the place where I am currently interning, I am getting every day some or other thing, and I am making my brain strong. If I would have
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
My view is that, if only the disability question has been asked, should it be revealed. Otherwise, attend the interview with confidence and convince the employers about your potential. Renuka E, Section Officer, ICT Centre for Visually Challlenged, CHMK Library, University ofCalicut, Malappuram Dist., Kerala. - Original Message - From: Mohammed Ahtesham Shaikh mohd.ahtes...@integraretail.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? I think there are a lot of assumptions being posted to this thread. Each case will be a different situation and needs special ways to handle them. My personal view is that do not disclose disability in cv but discuss it very importantly in the interview. Explain the employer how you can overcome all chalanges. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep Gautam Sent: 18 May 2011 05:54 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots. I would not prefer to convince people who are dam negative, because though after interview I might get the job due to the touch which it leaves on people's brain after seeing such commendable things like assistive technologies, but then at every step I'll need to do an extra effort of making them understand that yes, I can do this or that. I do not fear from taking challenges, but I would not want to take such challenges in areas like job where I need to spend my whole life, or few years, because coming over these challenges gets you nothing out of it, only the thing which you get is that the work is done by you. Whereas if the employer is of understanding nature, then after looking at your working style, he will appoint you, and not only that, he will let you do all things which you are capable of doing. In very few cases, you'll need to convince such an employer, and such cases would be so that where an ordinary person would not presume that a blind can do this thing. For example, using touch screen phone with screen
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
I completely agree with Prateek. - Original Message - From: prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I’m able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer “how able you are”, rather “how disable you are”. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Agree with that. Seeing the thread, I think, we should decide from case-to-case.Like if you are applying to companies like IBM, MphasiS etc, where they would ask about disability up front since they have enough sensitization towards disability and based on the nature of disability, they could make necessary arrangements during interview. Best, -Vasu On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:05 AM, RAJ VASWANI mr.rajvasw...@gmail.comwrote: I completely agree with Prateek. - Original Message - From: prateek aggarwal prateekagarwa...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I’m able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer “how able you are”, rather “how disable you are”. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming
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facing the confused attitude, on spot. Adina On May 16, 2011, at 18:23, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amar, What if the employer doesn't have awareness about assistive technology till the interview? And the candidate sensitises him on the same and manages to convince him that visually challenged people can work in his office. Do you want to miss such an interview? On 5/16/11, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: If I am asked, then I would recommend revealing disability on CV itself, because even after knowing about your disability if the employer is willing to interview you, then I consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots. I would not prefer to convince people who are dam negative, because though after interview I might get the job due to the touch which it leaves on people's brain after seeing such commendable things like assistive technologies, but then at every step I'll need to do an extra effort of making them understand that yes, I can do this or that. I do not fear from taking challenges, but I would not want to take such challenges in areas like job where I need to spend my whole life, or few years, because coming over these challenges gets you nothing out of it, only the thing which you get is that the work is done by you. Whereas if the employer is of understanding nature, then after looking at your working style, he will appoint you, and not only that, he will let you do all things which you are capable of doing. In very few cases, you'll need to convince such an employer, and such cases would be so that where an ordinary person would not presume that a blind can do this thing. For example, using touch screen phone with screen reading technology or understanding images using tactle. Might not be a sound example, but at least that makes my point clear. If I may give my own example, then when I interned in Jan this year, I was well accepted by people of the office, but I was not given good amount of work despite prooving myself in all works which they gave me. Whereas, the place where I am currently interning, I am getting every day some or other thing, and I am making my brain strong. If I would have continued in my previous company, then my progress would have been slower then what I am doing now. Another example, if you go to branch manager for banking facilities, and if he just because of the banking circulars give you all the facilities and if at later date some facility come, he might deny or ask you for another circular. But if your manager is sensible and understanding person, then if he understands at the initial stage itself about various things related to disability, then at later stage you will not need to convince him that you can use this facility. The only thing which
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Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2011, at 5:53, Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com wrote: HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots. I would not prefer to convince people who are dam negative, because though after interview I might get the job due to the touch which it leaves on people's brain after seeing such commendable things like assistive technologies, but then at every step I'll need to do an extra effort of making them understand that yes, I can do this or that. I do not fear from taking challenges, but I would not want to take such challenges in areas like job where I need to spend my whole life, or few years, because coming over these challenges gets you nothing out of it, only the thing which you get is that the work is done by you. Whereas if the employer is of understanding nature, then after looking at your working style, he will appoint you, and not only that, he will let you do all things which you are capable of doing. In very few cases, you'll need to convince such an employer, and such cases would be so that where an ordinary person would not presume that a blind can do this thing. For example, using touch screen phone with screen reading technology or understanding images using tactle. Might not be a sound example, but at least that makes my point clear. If I may give my own example, then when I interned in Jan this year, I was well accepted by people of the office, but I was not given good amount of work despite prooving myself in all works which they gave me. Whereas, the place where I am currently interning, I am getting every day some or other thing, and I am making my brain strong. If I would have continued in my previous company, then my progress would have been slower then what I am doing now. Another example, if you go to branch manager for banking facilities, and if he just because of the banking circulars give you all the facilities and if at later date some
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
hi Folks, In my view, when you apply for a job, your motto is not to test how aware the employer is. You want job, and the kind of lack of awareness we have in India, there are very few employers who would call you for interview after seeing disability mentioned on your CV. Moreover, I wonder why do we need to mention disability on CV? I find no reason at all until I’m able to perform equally with my other sighted colleagues. Many of the sighted folks have health problems like heart issues, diabetes etc, and like its not necessary for them to reveal their health problems on CV, it should be same in disability too. The purpose of CV is to answer “how able you are”, rather “how disable you are”. So in my humble advise, mention your skillset on your resume, not disability. its just a physical difference, which does not matter at all till you are able enough to perform the job you are appearing for. The road ahead from submitting resume is already tuff, I find it unwise to make it tuffer by yourself by committing unnecessary mistakes. Regards, Prateek agarwal. Director, Daedal technovations pvt. Ltd. www.daedaltechnovations.com We bring the change we wish to see! Website: www.prateekagarwal.webs.com | www.prateekagarwal.tk -- Original message -- From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula sriniv...@srinivasu.org To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:11:10 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi all, Please don't mistake me but I see no reason for mentioning disability. CV should explain the skill set and qualifications. Why would any employer feel Ee are hiding facts. Srinivasu Sent from my iPhone -- Original message -- From: norbu lepcha norbu.a...@gmail.com To: abees...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 03:38:38 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Hi http://fpeurl.com/video/index.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Sandeep Gautam sandeepgautam.n...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 05:53:37 +0530 Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? HI friends, by not disclosing disability in our CV, can influence potential employer both way.. on one hand, employer can assume that the person is hiding the facts. Although, the CV holder can either convince interviewer that why he did not disclose the disability in CV and can make him understood what disables can do with assistive technology. on the contrary, the interview can start with negative and suspicious atmosphere. I think it is better to give some idea to potential employer about our disability before any interview. one way, we can do, we dont reveal disability in our CV but we can try to contact him via telephone or email simultaneously and can have an informal chat about our disability. Sandeep G - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? My take is a little different. I believe that full disclosure is critical if you want to advance to senior positions in the workplace. When preparing a CV I think that we should not apologetic about our disabilities and therefore we should not add a column stating that we have a disability, but rather couch the wording in a different way and give clues as to our disability. For example, you can think of adding for example, Can work with most assistive technology including NVDA and JAWS or Member of National Association of the Blind. So when meeting the employer for the interview he already has some idea that you have a disability. If the employer taking the interview finds out about your disability only at the interview, it may come as a shock and reduce your chances. I think it is also important at the interview to demonstrate what you can do by giving a demo of what you can do on your laptop. Be upfront and say something at the beginning of your interview to put the employer at ease, something like I know that you are surprised to find a blind person coming for an interview, but I assure you that I am just as capable as anyone else when I am behind a computer. A smile from you here will be useful. As a person with physical disability who walks with crutches I have found that a combination of ability and confidence can overcome any prejudices that employers may have. Rahul Cherian Inclusive Planet On 17 May 2011 10:23, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
If I am asked, then I would recommend revealing disability on CV itself, because even after knowing about your disability if the employer is willing to interview you, then I consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hi Amar, What if the employer doesn't have awareness about assistive technology till the interview? And the candidate sensitises him on the same and manages to convince him that visually challenged people can work in his office. Do you want to miss such an interview? On 5/16/11, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: If I am asked, then I would recommend revealing disability on CV itself, because even after knowing about your disability if the employer is willing to interview you, then I consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Vamshi, That's exactly my thought. Vasu Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2011, at 18:23, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amar, What if the employer doesn't have awareness about assistive technology till the interview? And the candidate sensitises him on the same and manages to convince him that visually challenged people can work in his office. Do you want to miss such an interview? On 5/16/11, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: If I am asked, then I would recommend revealing disability on CV itself, because even after knowing about your disability if the employer is willing to interview you, then I consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
One just needs to make a specification in the CV. At least, out of curiosity, I think the interview will take place. I am personally for revealing it, rather than facing the confused attitude, on spot. Adina On May 16, 2011, at 18:23, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amar, What if the employer doesn't have awareness about assistive technology till the interview? And the candidate sensitises him on the same and manages to convince him that visually challenged people can work in his office. Do you want to miss such an interview? On 5/16/11, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: If I am asked, then I would recommend revealing disability on CV itself, because even after knowing about your disability if the employer is willing to interview you, then I consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
My point is that if the employer sees your CV, and finds suitable qualifications, though if not remarkable achievements, and knowing that if he calls you, then he is open towards understanding about disability or things like assistive technoligies. Presuming employer's awareness at the initial stage is unlikely in 99% cases, unless you deal with bigshots. I would not prefer to convince people who are dam negative, because though after interview I might get the job due to the touch which it leaves on people's brain after seeing such commendable things like assistive technologies, but then at every step I'll need to do an extra effort of making them understand that yes, I can do this or that. I do not fear from taking challenges, but I would not want to take such challenges in areas like job where I need to spend my whole life, or few years, because coming over these challenges gets you nothing out of it, only the thing which you get is that the work is done by you. Whereas if the employer is of understanding nature, then after looking at your working style, he will appoint you, and not only that, he will let you do all things which you are capable of doing. In very few cases, you'll need to convince such an employer, and such cases would be so that where an ordinary person would not presume that a blind can do this thing. For example, using touch screen phone with screen reading technology or understanding images using tactle. Might not be a sound example, but at least that makes my point clear. If I may give my own example, then when I interned in Jan this year, I was well accepted by people of the office, but I was not given good amount of work despite prooving myself in all works which they gave me. Whereas, the place where I am currently interning, I am getting every day some or other thing, and I am making my brain strong. If I would have continued in my previous company, then my progress would have been slower then what I am doing now. Another example, if you go to branch manager for banking facilities, and if he just because of the banking circulars give you all the facilities and if at later date some facility come, he might deny or ask you for another circular. But if your manager is sensible and understanding person, then if he understands at the initial stage itself about various things related to disability, then at later stage you will not need to convince him that you can use this facility. The only thing which he will check is that there should not be something which denies such new facility to disabled. Come back for more clerifications. On 5/16/11, Adina Galani lotusflowe...@gmail.com wrote: One just needs to make a specification in the CV. At least, out of curiosity, I think the interview will take place. I am personally for revealing it, rather than facing the confused attitude, on spot. Adina On May 16, 2011, at 18:23, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amar, What if the employer doesn't have awareness about assistive technology till the interview? And the candidate sensitises him on the same and manages to convince him that visually challenged people can work in his office. Do you want to miss such an interview? On 5/16/11, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: If I am asked, then I would recommend revealing disability on CV itself, because even after knowing about your disability if the employer is willing to interview you, then I consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
consider him as the person having some positiveness. Otherwise it is said na let your head hit the walls, it is your head which is going to get hurted and not the wall! On 5/16/11, Pankaj Kwatra pankaj.kwa...@tecnovate.co.in wrote: Hello All, Truth is my word and does disability needs any declaration, if yes than it should be at first instance rather then later. Thanks, Pankaj Kwatra -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi George, I think, it's a tough decision to make whether to reveal disability on CV or not and I think, one needs to make the judgement based on the company and the level of awareness that company has. Although, it's unfortunate, but at times, when a employer sees disability on CV and if he / she is not sensitized towards disability, then chance are more for rejection and he / she may not even inform the reason for rejection. Thanks, -Srinivasu On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, George Abraham geo...@eyeway.org wrote: The question I would raise is should your cv reveal disability? In most cases the disability would be evident during the interview or written exam stage. But I certainly do believe that the employer must be made aware of the disability before he signs on the dotted line. - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
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Well, if you require reasonable accommodation, or rather enabling environment, disability has to be revealed, there is no choice, I believe... -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:05 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search? Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Reserve Bank of India accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi Pranav, I think, at present, as long as we have a right aptitude and skills to sell our skills, it shouldn't matter about the disability. I have seen several employers who just talk about the business but not about the disability. but most of them quite curious, how we perform the job and I think, it's our responsbility to explain them. I think, for anyone to get employment, he or she need to have a skills to make employer excited and get a confidance that the candidate is absolute fit for the job and can do the justice. Best, -Srinivasu On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Srinivasu, We have had this discussion several times before though I would be curious to know what, if anything Indian law says on this matter. The article also states: As you mention, the ADA prohibits hiring managers from asking job candidates any medical questions, and the consensus among legal experts in this field is that you're under no obligation to bring up the subject in an interview, unless you have reason to believe it could affect your ability to do your job. And there's the rub. Since you managed to work around your condition in your last job, do you think you could do the same in a new position? Or do you have reason to believe it will be harder this time around (for example, if the illness has gotten more severe, or the episodes more frequent)? PL] In my experience, it is not so much whether you believe that your disability will impact your job. It is all about the employer's perception. I see no easy answer to that problem. chuckle You know, people say that you are sized in the first 3 minutes. So, is the problem as simple as doing something to shatter that perception in the first 3 minutes? grin Pranav Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] Should you reveal disability during the job search?
Found this article on the net; hope would be useful to someone. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Should-you-reveal-a-hftn-357976674.html?x=0.v=1 Thanks, -Srinivasu -- Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://www.learnaccessibility.org Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
