Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Sorry was travelling. 9821013644 preferably after 9pm. Kanchan - Original Message - From: Rohiet A. Patil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 23:15 Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent dear kanchan madum! I would like to talk with you personally on this matter. Can you mail me your cell number of list? PLS mail me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks and regards, Rohiet Patil - Original Message - From: Pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Vetry I have taken the suggestion of the talking calculator as point d. in clause 8 the first point of computer malfunction I dont know what to do about it. I have mentioned the UPS and the Scribe and 2 printers and 2 computers. and the extra time Any other suggestio is welcome in case the above mentioned is not enough. n Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
dear kanchan madum! I would like to talk with you personally on this matter. Can you mail me your cell number of list? PLS mail me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks and regards, Rohiet Patil - Original Message - From: Pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Vetry I have taken the suggestion of the talking calculator as point d. in clause 8 the first point of computer malfunction I dont know what to do about it. I have mentioned the UPS and the Scribe and 2 printers and 2 computers. and the extra time Any other suggestio is welcome in case the above mentioned is not enough. n Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
it means you know this person, and also know what she or he is capable of. At 09:56 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: Kanchan! If a person brings his/her own scribe, then there is no question of percentage? It means. PL clarify. Regards - Original Message - From: Pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Sweety my dear the 55% is not for your scribe but only for the scribe provided by the Authority. Your Scribe is covered in clause 3 and then if you choose not to bring your own scribe then it is the authority who will provide a scribe with some minimum qualifications. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Hello kanchan mam, you are doing a really commendable job. It is a well drafted policy barring few of the points which are debatable. 1. I stand by Pranav sir's point, of allowing extra 30 minutes per hour instead of 20 minutes. 2. As far as the softwares are concerned, in my opinion no softwares must be specified as said by Puneet sir. The college/ university should provide the softwares which the candidate demands for. this is because all candidates may not be comfortable with the specified softwares. Carry on this good work, Abdul -- Original Message - From: AMIT BHATT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent In my opinion, when scribe is one level junior than the applicant, deciding the marks in percentage for writer seems illogical to me. Specially, when the scribe is taken from the different stream. Therefore, the candidate should be allowed to use subscribe with whatever maximum percentage of marks. In addition, I would support Pranav's point that extra 30 minutes per hour should be given instead of 20 minutes to the applicant. Thanks, Amit Bhatt - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Kanchan! If a person brings his/her own scribe, then there is no question of percentage? It means. PL clarify. Regards - Original Message - From: Pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Sweety my dear the 55% is not for your scribe but only for the scribe provided by the Authority. Your Scribe is covered in clause 3 and then if you choose not to bring your own scribe then it is the authority who will provide a scribe with some minimum qualifications. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Hi Kanchan, For most of the points, my view is same as others, that specifics of software may be avoided, but I can imagine a senario where a particular software is used and is not screen reader friendly, so may be these policies may include list of software with a condition that only accessible software be used Same is true for Aids and appliances, listing limited number of them may creat problem for those who want to use different once. I can already add couple of them, A. welcrove board for drawing diagrams (I used it in my graduation exams) B. drawing wheel, it is available as part of geometry kit (I guess it should be available from NIVH Dehradun) These policies may be revised from time to time, and list of software along with Aids and appliances may be included in appendix For the following point # 10.C, I feel that there can be confusion regarding who decides if laboratory assistant is used or alternative question is provided. May be the candidate is interested in conducting the experiments, but institution is not willing to provide assistant. So it should be candidates power to decide, and the same conditions as in scribe should be applied with regard to making arrangement of assistant i.e. candidate should be given first opportunity to arrange for the assistant. c. For practical exams the Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the help of a laboratory assistant to conduct the experiment and or be provided alternative oral questions in place of the experiment to be conducted. So the point 1.C may be modified as under 1.c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe / assistant or to be provided by a Scribe / assistant by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. Regards Dinesh Kaushal blog at dineshkaushal.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pamnani Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:34 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Dear Madam, Where there is no problem of language of papers and where the candidate is unable to furnish the names of multiple scribes, he may be allowed to change a scribe in case of medical excegency and that should not be opposed by the examining authorities. It is natural that a scribe may fall ill during the long stretch of examinations. During my graduation the same case was strongly opposed by the examining authorities. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sweety bhalla Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Kanchan! If a person brings his/her own scribe, then there is no question of percentage? It means. PL clarify. Regards - Original Message - From: Pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Sweety my dear the 55% is not for your scribe but only for the scribe provided by the Authority. Your Scribe is covered in clause 3 and then if you choose not to bring your own scribe then it is the authority who will provide a scribe with some minimum qualifications. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations
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Dear friends. Can anyone mail to me the draft policy of exams to my personal id [EMAIL PROTECTED] With regards Mittal. - Original Message - From: Ketan Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Dear Kanchan, It is an excellent document except that there should be a provision for viva exam in certain cases where the use of graphs is immense and those of us who are totally blind by birth find it difficult to read them. Further, after this policy comes into effect the nonimplementing body such as the school/colleges/universities should invalidate the examination and they should reorganize the same as the disabled person looses the marks as it happened in my own case. Thank you. On 11/29/07, pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange the scribe on his/her own. c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print. The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed the use of magnifying glass. 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate a. In case the candidate avails the services of his
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
no such barrier should be there. - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Excellent effort. training /awareness of examining authorities invigilators controllers of exams etc should be added. List of assistive devices could be suggested or disability assistive technology experts could also be included in committees advisory bodies. - Original Message - From: nafisa buhariwala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Well drafted Kanchan. Seems to cover all points.Only a small modification as regards Screen Readers. Mention JAWS or any other screen reading software the candidate is comfortable with. If they get stuck to the word JAWS and not allow Window Eyes someone like me will be miserable. Nafisa Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:02 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks KanchanPolicy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways.a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways.a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe.c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Applicationa. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange the scribe on his/her own.c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print. The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed the use of magnifying glass. 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate a. In case the candidate
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Use of lap tops could be recommended may be with usb querty key board if the candidate is not comfortable with laptop layout - Original Message - From: Pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Vetry I have taken the suggestion of the talking calculator as point d. in clause 8 the first point of computer malfunction I dont know what to do about it. I have mentioned the UPS and the Scribe and 2 printers and 2 computers. and the extra time Any other suggestio is welcome in case the above mentioned is not enough. n Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned
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The examinee may be allowed to bring his own screen reading /magnification software Rohit - Original Message - From: Abdul Razique Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello kanchan mam, you are doing a really commendable job. It is a well drafted policy barring few of the points which are debatable. 1. I stand by Pranav sir's point, of allowing extra 30 minutes per hour instead of 20 minutes. 2. As far as the softwares are concerned, in my opinion no softwares must be specified as said by Puneet sir. The college/ university should provide the softwares which the candidate demands for. this is because all candidates may not be comfortable with the specified softwares. Carry on this good work, Abdul -- Original Message - From: AMIT BHATT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent In my opinion, when scribe is one level junior than the applicant, deciding the marks in percentage for writer seems illogical to me. Specially, when the scribe is taken from the different stream. Therefore, the candidate should be allowed to use subscribe with whatever maximum percentage of marks. In addition, I would support Pranav's point that extra 30 minutes per hour should be given instead of 20 minutes to the applicant. Thanks, Amit Bhatt - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges
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Kanchan, snip a. Visually Disabled candidates can appear in examination on the computer only if students are computer literate and can type at least at the speed of 30 words per minute. /snip The 30 words per minute restriction is not required. A student may elect not to use a computer if he/she is not comfortable typing. On the other hand, this may be limiting for people with orthopedic problems who may not be able to type fast enough but may still prefer a computer to a scribe -- in which case, they should request for more extra time instead of being prevented the use of a computer. The rest looks good to me. Regards, Manish make students write their examinations both in Hindi and English mediums -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Rohit Trivedi Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:55 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent The examinee may be allowed to bring his own screen reading /magnification software Rohit - Original Message - From: Abdul Razique Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello kanchan mam, you are doing a really commendable job. It is a well drafted policy barring few of the points which are debatable. 1. I stand by Pranav sir's point, of allowing extra 30 minutes per hour instead of 20 minutes. 2. As far as the softwares are concerned, in my opinion no softwares must be specified as said by Puneet sir. The college/ university should provide the softwares which the candidate demands for. this is because all candidates may not be comfortable with the specified softwares. Carry on this good work, Abdul -- Original Message - From: AMIT BHATT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent In my opinion, when scribe is one level junior than the applicant, deciding the marks in percentage for writer seems illogical to me. Specially, when the scribe is taken from the different stream. Therefore, the candidate should be allowed to use subscribe with whatever maximum percentage of marks. In addition, I would support Pranav's point that extra 30 minutes per hour should be given instead of 20 minutes to the applicant. Thanks, Amit Bhatt - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange the scribe on his/her own. c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print. The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed
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Dear Kanchan, It is an excellent document except that there should be a provision for viva exam in certain cases where the use of graphs is immense and those of us who are totally blind by birth find it difficult to read them. Further, after this policy comes into effect the nonimplementing body such as the school/colleges/universities should invalidate the examination and they should reorganize the same as the disabled person looses the marks as it happened in my own case. Thank you. On 11/29/07, pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange the scribe on his/her own. c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print. The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed the use of magnifying glass. 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. c. For
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Hai Kanchan: Your work is certainly commendable. In fact, I was also thinking on the same lines as Vetri as I was going through the draft and perhaps, if there is a possibility, organisations can conduct trial tests much before the original tests and make candidates acclimatize with the system. I found talking calculators to be a good suggestion as well, in the event of students attending complex calculation-based tests. By the way, I also feel organisations in Karnataka and other states must take this up as a precedence and ask for a similar policy for visually challenged candidates. Hope someone takes the cue. Warm rgds, Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Adhimoolam Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 AM To: pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from
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Well drafted Kanchan. Seems to cover all points.Only a small modification as regards Screen Readers. Mention JAWS or any other screen reading software the candidate is comfortable with. If they get stuck to the word JAWS and not allow Window Eyes someone like me will be miserable. Nafisa Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:34:02 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks KanchanPolicy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal.a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways.a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways.a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe.c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Applicationa. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange the scribe on his/her own.c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print. The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed the use of magnifying glass. 3. Scribes chosen by Candidate a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream.b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration.c. For internal exams of schools and colleges the condition of the scribe being one grade junior in academic qualification than the
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Hi this is being drafted for India and not for a particular State. You need to spread the word if we succeed. Kanchan Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hai Kanchan: Your work is certainly commendable. In fact, I was also thinking on the same lines as Vetri as I was going through the draft and perhaps, if there is a possibility, organisations can conduct trial tests much before the original tests and make candidates acclimatize with the system. I found talking calculators to be a good suggestion as well, in the event of students attending complex calculation-based tests. By the way, I also feel organisations in Karnataka and other states must take this up as a precedence and ask for a similar policy for visually challenged candidates. Hope someone takes the cue. Warm rgds, Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Adhimoolam Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 AM To: pamnani; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use
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Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes
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Hi Pranav, You said 8. In the Delhi University, before I could take an exam, I had to be tested to ensure that I was still blind. My blindness is unchanging. Once tested, the condition will not change. I was tested every year though. This is a pain. The policy must stop this repeated testing. Dinesh: I faced the same issue, but this was a mistake, there is a notification which specifies that for permanent disability medical certificate is enough, but I don't have the notification with me now. Regards Dinesh Kaushal blog at dineshkaushal.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:45 PM To: 'pamnani'; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Kanchan, 1. Why specify the software that is to be used? A person could be comfortable in writing an exam even in an application like Open office. 2. Why copy and paste from Pagemaker? This could create a problem with tables. Ideally, question papers should be Microsoft Office documents such that the text is in word and data relating to accounts problems etc should be in Excel. Assuming this is not possible then just ask for Word files without specifying the conversion. 3. snip a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. PL] Why should this guideline be present at all? Detecting cheeting is the authority's responsibility. b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. PL] Why? See the logic in the above point. Another thing with a computer, it should be of a configuration greater than what is the minimum required to support the screen reader. This is necessary since the student will be running other software as well so system resources must be sufficient to run the operating system, the screen reader and other software concurrently. 4. It is good to have a UPS at the center but you need to specify that the computer on which the student is writing must be connected to this UPS. Plus, the UPS must be tested to ensure that it is providing backup. 5. A student should be given extra time if the technology fails. 6. If the authority is providing a scribe, the candidate must have a provision to meet the scribe a day before the exam. This would ensure that the 2 get comfortable with one another. It would also give the candidate a chance to check whether the scribe is suitable. 7. As regards the extra time, make it 30 minutes for every hour. 8. In the Delhi University, before I could take an exam, I had to be tested to ensure that I was still blind. My blindness is unchanging. Once tested, the condition will not change. I was tested every year though. This is a pain. The policy must stop this repeated testing. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Sweety my dear the 55% is not for your scribe but only for the scribe provided by the Authority. Your Scribe is covered in clause 3 and then if you choose not to bring your own scribe then it is the authority who will provide a scribe with some minimum qualifications. Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other
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Kanchan, 1. Why specify the software that is to be used? A person could be comfortable in writing an exam even in an application like Open office. 2. Why copy and paste from Pagemaker? This could create a problem with tables. Ideally, question papers should be Microsoft Office documents such that the text is in word and data relating to accounts problems etc should be in Excel. Assuming this is not possible then just ask for Word files without specifying the conversion. 3. snip a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. PL] Why should this guideline be present at all? Detecting cheeting is the authority's responsibility. b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. PL] Why? See the logic in the above point. Another thing with a computer, it should be of a configuration greater than what is the minimum required to support the screen reader. This is necessary since the student will be running other software as well so system resources must be sufficient to run the operating system, the screen reader and other software concurrently. 4. It is good to have a UPS at the center but you need to specify that the computer on which the student is writing must be connected to this UPS. Plus, the UPS must be tested to ensure that it is providing backup. 5. A student should be given extra time if the technology fails. 6. If the authority is providing a scribe, the candidate must have a provision to meet the scribe a day before the exam. This would ensure that the 2 get comfortable with one another. It would also give the candidate a chance to check whether the scribe is suitable. 7. As regards the extra time, make it 30 minutes for every hour. 8. In the Delhi University, before I could take an exam, I had to be tested to ensure that I was still blind. My blindness is unchanging. Once tested, the condition will not change. I was tested every year though. This is a pain. The policy must stop this repeated testing. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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In my opinion, when scribe is one level junior than the applicant, deciding the marks in percentage for writer seems illogical to me. Specially, when the scribe is taken from the different stream. Therefore, the candidate should be allowed to use subscribe with whatever maximum percentage of marks. In addition, I would support Pranav's point that extra 30 minutes per hour should be given instead of 20 minutes to the applicant. Thanks, Amit Bhatt - Original Message - From: sweety bhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Moreover the scribe with 55 % marks for examinations, it is very difficult to get in this time. It should be at least 60%marks. Telling my own experience and facing problems in my dept examinations. Regards (Sweety Bhalla) - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: 29/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe
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Vetry I have taken the suggestion of the talking calculator as point d. in clause 8 the first point of computer malfunction I dont know what to do about it. I have mentioned the UPS and the Scribe and 2 printers and 2 computers. and the extra time Any other suggestio is welcome in case the above mentioned is not enough. n Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hello Kanchan, It is certainly a well drafted policy. It pretty much covers everything. But a couple of suggestions though: The policy also should include sufficient guidelines describing what should be done in the event of certain delays as the result of computer problems or the malfunctioning of the software. Because things can go wrong on that front and visually challenged candidates should not suffer as the result of such issues. So in my view, the software/hardware requirements should be amended to be inclusive of this issue. Second, visually impaired candidates are also increasingly appearing on various exams that require solving of extensive mathematical problems. Some of those exams may actually allow regular students to use calculator and in such circumstances, visually challenged candidates also should be allowed to bring talking calculator in to the examination hall. Vetri. - Original Message - From: pamnani To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use
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Ketan Non implementation is your headache and that of the NGO and then the court is always open. Cant put it in the Policy. . Kanchan Pamnani Advocate Solicitor 9, Suleman Chambers, Battery Street, Colaba, Mumbai - 400 039. - Original Message - From: Ketan Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Dear Kanchan, It is an excellent document except that there should be a provision for viva exam in certain cases where the use of graphs is immense and those of us who are totally blind by birth find it difficult to read them. Further, after this policy comes into effect the nonimplementing body such as the school/colleges/universities should invalidate the examination and they should reorganize the same as the disabled person looses the marks as it happened in my own case. Thank you. On 11/29/07, pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Friends Have drafted a Policy for Examinations of the Visually disabled in India thanks to the input from Anjali, Asif, Dipendra, Harish, Ketan, Neha, Pranav, Rajesh, Sam and SGS Sisodia and numerous others who helped when the Maharashtra Guidelines were being framed. Please let me have your comments on this draft urgently and no later than this evening. I need to send it to the Disability commission. thanks Kanchan Policy for Examination of the Visually Disabled The need for a standard and comprehensive Policy throughout India for the examination of the Visually Disabled has been growing since: a.. Every year more and more Visually Disabled candidates are appearing for various examinations. b.. Number of examining bodies has been increasing over the years a.. Various orders/judgments/directions have been passed by various Courts/Commissions/Authorities and deal with the problem in piecemeal. a.. Various examination conducting authorities have different rules and/or implement the rules in different ways. a.. Technology is improving and needs to be taken into account a.. The anxiety suffered by the examinees before and during the examination has to be removed a.. Questions asked at written examinations and the examinations themselves are varied and need to be answered in various ways. a.. Competition is increasing and the Visually Disabled have to be given a level playing field This Policy will apply to all examinations being conducted in India generally and specifically to examinations conducted by Educational institutions- schools and colleges (both internal and external), School and College Boards, universities and deemed universities, autonomous bodies conducting entrance or promotional examinations as well as all recruiting/promoting authorities and any other authorities or bodies under which a Visually Disabled examinee wishes to appear for an examination for any purpose whatsoever. The paramount purpose of the Policy is to alleviate the hardship being caused to the Visually disabled candidate due to uncertainty in policy and to mitigate the effects of a disability. 1. Scribe a. The Visually Disabled candidate must be allowed the use of a Scribe who will read the question papers and write/type the answers dictated by the Visually disabled candidate. b. Since one of the important factors while doing an examination is speed, adequate practice is necessary, Visually Disabled persons should be allowed to use the services of a scribe of his/her own choice. The Visually Disabled candidate may however request the Examining authority to provide a Scribe. c. The discretion to arrange for his/her own Scribe or to be provided by a Scribe by the Examining Authority is with the candidate alone. d. No other restriction other than those mentioned in Clauses 3 or 4 herein below should be imposed on the selection of a scribe. e. It is desirable that the candidate and the scribe are from the same stream. 2. Examination Form/Application a. All Application Forms/Advertisements for exams should mention that a Visually Disabled candidate will be allowed the use of a Scribe and alternative formats will be provided. b. The examining authority should give a clear option in the advertisement itself whether the examinee wishes the scribe to be provided by the examination conducting body or he/she wishes to arrange the scribe on his/her own. c. The Examining authority at the time of advertisement/application should also print the criteria/qualification for scribe to be followed. d. The application form should have a provision asking low vision persons to indicate the requirement of question paper in large print. The advertisement for examination as well as the application form should also clearly mention that the low vision persons would be allowed the use
Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent
I am afraid, a scribe with 55% marks may not be found in all subjects, particularly in an area like Kolkata where low scoring was the general trend even a few years back. Moreover, emphasis should be laid on competitive examinations for recruitments so that these guidelines are followed in those exams. - Original Message - From: Punit Diwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Kanchan ji, No doubt, this draft of policy is commendable piece of work from your side. I would like to say as far as softwares are concerned, we should not be strict on the JAWS and MS Word. Because, practically speaking, most of the universities and colleges in India do not still have a authorized copy of JAWS for Windows. and alternative methods for JAWS will not be accepted. So, I would like to say why don't we mention a Screen Reader and a office application as a software requirements in policy. I think this will minimised any further disputes. Regards Punit Diwan - Original Message - From: Ketan Kothari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pamnani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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points 30 minutes in pranav's mail are, in my opinion, too demanding and far fetched. We should not demand something apparently beyond reasonable. Rajesh and7 regarding scribe not being junior and extra time of 3 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ointsno. 3 and Pranav Lal Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:45 PM To: 'pamnani'; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Draft policy for exams urgent Kanchan, 1. Why specify the software that is to be used? A person could be comfortable in writing an exam even in an application like Open office. 2. Why copy and paste from Pagemaker? This could create a problem with tables. Ideally, question papers should be Microsoft Office documents such that the text is in word and data relating to accounts problems etc should be in Excel. Assuming this is not possible then just ask for Word files without specifying the conversion. 3. snip a. In case the candidate avails the services of his/her own scribe/writer, the scribe/writer should be one grade junior in academic qualification than the candidate if from the same stream. However, this condition shall not apply if the scribe/writer is from a different stream. PL] Why should this guideline be present at all? Detecting cheeting is the authority's responsibility. b. For competitive examinations the scribe needs to be one level below the eligibility criteria of the competitive exam in consideration. PL] Why? See the logic in the above point. Another thing with a computer, it should be of a configuration greater than what is the minimum required to support the screen reader. This is necessary since the student will be running other software as well so system resources must be sufficient to run the operating system, the screen reader and other software concurrently. 4. It is good to have a UPS at the center but you need to specify that the computer on which the student is writing must be connected to this UPS. Plus, the UPS must be tested to ensure that it is providing backup. 5. A student should be given extra time if the technology fails. 6. If the authority is providing a scribe, the candidate must have a provision to meet the scribe a day before the exam. This would ensure that the 2 get comfortable with one another. It would also give the candidate a chance to check whether the scribe is suitable. 7. As regards the extra time, make it 30 minutes for every hour. 8. In the Delhi University, before I could take an exam, I had to be tested to ensure that I was still blind. My blindness is unchanging. Once tested, the condition will not change. I was tested every year though. This is a pain. The policy must stop this repeated testing. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
