Plasma Active
Sehr geehrten Damen und Herren, seit geraumer Zeit bin ich Linux (Debian) Nutzer. Vor ein paar Wochen habe ich mir das WeTab gekauft. Leider muss ich sagen, dass eigentlich nur Windows 8 darauf gut läuft. Plasma Active fehlen zuviele Sachen vom Unterbau (bleutooth, gps,helligkeitssensor und Rotation). Allerdings gibt es ja alle diese Treiber und skripte schon im Netz. Mir persönlich fehlt die Zeit zum "spielen". Wenn diese Sachen laufen würden, wäre Plasma Active der absolute "Traum", damit hätte man ein Tablet, was nicht nur für ein bisschen "rumschauen" gut ist, sondern man damit wirklich Arbeiten kann. Daher sollte dies auch einen stabilen Debian unterbau bekommen. Damit kann man dann auch die Programme, die man braucht bequem und installieren. Bsp: An der Uni brauche ich es für Internet und ein paar Sachen nachschauen, aber manchmal bräuchte ich eben auch die anderen Progs. wie Gimp, Latex usw. Um die propritären Komponenten zu laufen zu bekommen, kann ja ein Packet extra zur Verfügung gestellt werden, die nicht in den offiziellen Repos enthalten sind. Sollte Sie meinen, OpenSlx oder Kubuntu Active wäre hier die Lösung, muss ich auch sagen, sind es leider nicht. Auf einem Tab ein Login zu schalten mit Tastatur, die dann nicht erscheint und nachgearbeitet werden muss, ist peinlich. Hier muss ein ordentlicher Login über gesten her. Aptosid, diese Entwickler habe ich das Gefühl, reine Intuition, hätten lust sich mit Plasma Active auseinander zu setzen. Super wäre auch noch eine Vermischung, wenn keine Tastatur angeschlossen ist, der Active Desktop, anders auswahlmäßig dann standart oder netbook. Sollte ich nur schwachsinn geschrieben haben, dann Entschuldigen Sie einem einfach Nutzer, oder wenn Sie eine Lösung für mein Problem haben, würde ich mich über Ihre Nachricht freuen. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Holger Eder bioversum Lusenweg 5a 94124 Denkhof Telefon: 0 85 82 / 91 54 72 Fax: 0 85 82 / 91 54 73 Mobil: 0 15 25 / 4 22 66 43 www.bioversum.biz Ust-Nr.: 153/213/42091 Ust-IdNr.: DE258816042 HINWEIS: Dies ist eine vertrauliche Nachricht und nur für den Adressaten bestimmt. Sollten Sie diese Nachricht irrtümlich erhalten haben, bitte ich um Ihre Mitteilung per E-Mail oder unter der oben angegebenen Telefonnummer. Rechtswirksame Dokumente schicken Sie bitte über den Postweg. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active
Hi, i would like to ask, if it is possible to implement the OpenMobile ACL to run also Android Apps. http://www.openmobileww.com/#!home/mainPage WebOS and Tizen have it already, also SailfishOS has a compability layer its also based on Mer. With a compability layer Plasma Active could be realy a alternative to android. Gerald ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
plasma active
Hi, i would like to ask, if you plan to implement the openmobile android compability layer: http://www.openmobileww.com/ That would be gread, if there would be the ability to install also android apps. Tizen, WebOS and SailfishOS have it already. Is there any plan also for plasma active and mer? ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma-active
Hi there, I'm using plasma active on nexus 7 (via multirom) for a couple of days and I really like it so far! I' ve just a couple of consideration first of all fullscreen on bangarang doesn't work because top bar stay visible and also a little bit of bottom desktop is visible, also when I put fullscreen mode I cant pasue the video or return to normal vision I have to kill the app . Then i've also some problem with addons app beacause I can't subscribe to the service. Plasma Media Center also give me some problems... I can't see any videos, I see just a black screen! Anyway I'm really enjoyin this OS, you're doing a great job! francesco P.S. is there a possibility to have a similar project based on archlinux? I would love to have more app to install (for example vlc) ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active 3
Hi all, i would like to propose if other breakages don't surface again the release of pa3 for week 36 or 37, so absolutely before 21 september. on our side of software i consider it pretty much frozen, there won't be big ui updates anyways, and i passed last weeks fixing issues. so what weould be needed, from the technical side is: * final status of our kde software, if calligra or kdepim people wants to have a more recent version that what is packaged now, please build the new packages asap. * fork the project on obs that is currently devel into a fixed and stable Active3 repository, that would basically be a snapshot of current devel, with occasional bugfixes * have the current or next Mer release as a fixed target where to build the Active3 repo against, so there wouldn't be low level updates in a pa3 installation on more pr side, announcement material: * list of some features * announcement and dot articles * tons of screenshots * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) * update the plasma-active.org website: iirc Ivan had done a quite pretty redesign a while ago. * anything else? :) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
plasma active 1
Hi there, is there a possibility , running plasma active on a ztpad c71 "upgrade" (1GB Ram) I tried several How to's, (http://opentablets.org/topic/13-installing-plasma-active-with-mer-base-on-zenithink-c71/ or /https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Vivaldi ) but no success. Every time i use an image as I had to , I got an error message: System running start. skip recovery and android starts again!! Best regards Martin Wohlert ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active Infos
Dear Sir/Madam, Padways is a french company that develops ambient intelligence systems for house livings and industry. These systems uses technologies as touchscreen, nfc, sensors, actuators,... We have designed our own hardware based on ARM core, we use Android OS most of the time and also work on our own embedded linux kernel, from an Angstrom one. But we just took knowledge of the Plasma Active project, we find that it looks very fine and would like to know more about it, in order to use it as an alternative of Android for our new customers. Could you tell me if the kernel is an open source one so that we could customize it for our hardware ? If yes do you provide the source for ARM based devices, as BeagleBone for example ? For Linux HMI programs we use Qt/C++ to develop them, I guess that this would also be possible for applications of Plasma Active interfaces ? I wish you good christmas holidays ! Best regards, Mathieu CALVO Président logo-signature Tel : +33 5 34 32 02 40 Mobile : + 33 (0)6 83 08 76 96 Skype : pad-ways 10 Avenue de l'Europe, 31520 Ramonville (c) Copyright, Toulouse, 2012, Mathieu CALVO CONFIDENTIALITE : Ce message et les éventuelles pièces attachées sont confidentiels. Si vous n'êtes pas dans la liste des destinataires, veuillez informer l'expéditeur immédiatement et ne pas divulguer le contenu à une tierce personne, ne pas l'utiliser pour quelque raison que ce soit, ne pas stocker ou copier l'information qu'il contient sur un quelconque support. CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not a named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose or store or copy the information in any medium. P Please consider the environment before printing this email <>___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active
Hi Holger, The mailing list language is English, so I hope you'll forgive me for responding in English :) On Monday, May 27, 2013 21:08:22 Holger Eder wrote: > Daher sollte dies auch einen stabilen Debian unterbau bekommen. We have sponsored packaging of KDE SC 4.10 for Debian 7 (will appear in backports) and on top of this we will be producing installable Plasma Active packages. So this is coming. > Super wäre auch noch eine Vermischung, wenn keine Tastatur angeschlossen > ist, der Active Desktop, anders auswahlmäßig dann standart oder netbook. Now you are asking for things no other OS currently can do :) But that's ok: we're working on exactly this set of features for Plasma Workspaces 2, which a future release of Plasma Active will be based on. As for things like bluetooth, we do have bluetooth support from Bluedevil, though it comes down to drivers and most importantly user testing. You can help there! :) GPS: similarly, we have Marble that can and does use GPS where available, but it requires drivers for the device and user testing. Again, you can help there :) Rotation: we have a basic rotation system for Plasma Active 4. It's not perfect, however; we need to move off of X11 for the base graphics system. When we move to Wayland, something we are working on right now, then we can implement a proper rotation system. Don't fear: X11 *applications* will still work in such an environment just fine. Cheers .. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Kubuntu Plasma-Active
Apparently Kubuntu has a Plasma Active preinstalled img but I have not been able to successfully flash the image onto my device. I honestly have not found really any documentation on it as well as even a knowledge of it. Has anyone actually gotten to work: http://www.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/20130430.1/ This is the location of the image. Thanks, Daniel ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active
On Friday, November 1, 2013 12:39:00 Gerald Böck wrote: > i would like to ask, if it is possible to implement the OpenMobile ACL > to run also Android Apps. > > http://www.openmobileww.com/#!home/mainPage is this Free software? > WebOS and Tizen have it already, also SailfishOS has a compability layer > its also based on Mer. > With a compability layer Plasma Active could be realy a alternative to > android. afaik the compatibility layer on Sailfish is not free software, though it is mostly complete. i would love to know otherwise :) -- Aaron J. Seigo ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: plasma active
Hi, Is this layer Open Source? Cheers Daniel Am Samstag, 9. November 2013 schrieb Gerald Böck : > Hi, i would like to ask, if you plan to implement the openmobile android > compability layer: > > http://www.openmobileww.com/ > > That would be gread, if there would be the ability to install also > android apps. > Tizen, WebOS and SailfishOS have it already. Is there any plan also for > plasma active and mer? > > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma-active
On Monday 02 June 2014, Francesco Vottari wrote: > just a black screen! > > Anyway I'm really enjoyin this OS, you're doing a great job! thanks :) > > P.S. is there a possibility to have a similar project based on archlinux? I > would love to have more app to install (for example vlc) you can check if arch packages plasma-mobile and plasma-active packages, most of the code is mostly distro agnostic andseveral distributions do package it -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma active OS
Hi I am an engineer and I am interested using Plasma Active into my product. Can you guide me to the right person? I am building smart appliance and I think this OS is perfect for it.ThanksFelix ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
About Plasma Active
Plasma Active Team, We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core team and thought it would be fun to interview you guys *like a team*. We would like to send you some of our questions and *hopefully,* more than one of you will be able to answer. It would be great for our readers to get the perspective of some of the other developers. Would you guys be interested in doing that? In addition to that, we are opening up guest blogs on The Powerbase, 'ala what OMG Ubuntu does for the Ubuntu developer community. We have a strong KDE readership and it would be a great place for you guys to share development updates. Best Regards, -- Dean Howell, Editor-in-chief The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
mer+plasma+active
Hi, FYI among other things i admin/develop "notorious" (in italy) open source educational project or italian primary school, today i have uploaded first simple video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z1lOy5ygriw first fought against windows, now against ipad and android. Nicola (niqt) ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Weekly Plasma Active images
Hi all, we at basysKom setup weekly image builds for following image types: KDE Plasma Active Mer based testing USB/DVD/CD live x86 live and install image KDE Plasma Active Mer based development USB/DVD/CD live x86 live and install image KDE Plasma Active next Mer preview development USB/DVD/CD live x86 live and install image KDE Plasma Active MeeGo based testing USB/DVD/CD live x86 live and install image KDE Plasma Active MeeGo based development USB/DVD/CD live x86 live and install image KDE Plasma Active Mer based Archos gen9 development root filesystem tarball (without hardware acceleration) KDE Plasma Active Mer based Archos gen9 testing root filesystem tarball (without hardware acceleration) KDE Plasma Active Mer based Archos gen9 development root filesystem tarball (with hardware acceleration, but less stable) KDE Plasma Active Mer based Archos gen9 testing root filesystem tarball (with hardware acceleration, but less stable) Those images will be build weekly at Friday and Sunday evening automatically and can be customized by the related kickstart files stored inside 'legacy-kickstarts' directory of following repository: URL: git://anongit.kde.org/plasma-active-kickstart Branch: master Please note, all images are available at our new download area on: http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/ The Plasma Active Installation Wiki was already updated. Please do not wonder, the old download area 'http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/' will be removed soon. Cheers and have fun, Maurice ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active 3: Website
> * update the plasma-active.org website: iirc Ivan had done a quite pretty > redesign a while ago. I'll need some help with content and the top slideshow - don't know with what you did it for the current version. (this time I think we need at most 5 features to show up there - and we can zoom in the pictures) And, I forgot to remind Sebas to take photos of various *pretty* tablets to use them for the slideshow. The design is here: http://plasma-active.org/3/ We could also split the content in a few parts instead of putting everything on one page. Cheerio! -- Cheerio, Ivan -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > on more pr side, announcement material: > * list of some features > * announcement and dot articles > * tons of screenshots > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high > res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) this is a fisrst quick video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI here is shrinked down, should be actually at 720p.. as sequence (what it show) i think is quite ok, maybe to be shortened even more. unfortunately i can't remove that ugly flickering that seems to be linked to camera and monitor refresh, so if someone can do better videos would be way better ;) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 20:26:51 Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > * list of some features > > * announcement and dot articles > > * tons of screenshots > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high > > res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > this is a fisrst quick video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI looks very good imo; i particularly like how the text in between shots is short and clear .. highlights the progress that's been made quite nicely. it may be worth doing a series of videos over the next weeks highlighting individual improvements. things like the changes to the Add To Activity dialogs, how okular active works, etc ... good blogfodder. :) in general, really nice work and awesome to see the progress that is being made across the board. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On 04.09.2012 23:16, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 20:26:51 Marco Martin wrote: On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: on more pr side, announcement material: * list of some features * announcement and dot articles * tons of screenshots * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) this is a fisrst quick video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI looks very good imo; i particularly like how the text in between shots is short and clear .. highlights the progress that's been made quite nicely. I agree, it's very nice! I've just spotted two things that maybe could still be improved: - I don't know if it's because of the low resolution, but at least in that version the text of the resource browser filters is not readable at all and therefore from watching the video one can't tell what these filters do. Therefore the awesomeness of the resource browser doesn't really come across. Maybe it would make sense to zoom in on the drawer during the filtering so one can see what's going on there? - When using Kmail Touch, it looks like you try swiping several times but nothing happens. Either something actually _did_ happen but you can't tell what happened from the video, or the screen didn't recognize the gesture, or there is a bug in Kmail Touch. Either way, it gives the impression that Plasma Active is sluggish, which is not good for a touchscreen UI, so I think that should be cut. it may be worth doing a series of videos over the next weeks highlighting individual improvements. things like the changes to the Add To Activity dialogs, how okular active works, etc ... good blogfodder. :) +1! Okular Active deserves more showcasing as it's really good, and the improvements to the dialogs show attention to detail. However either the dialogs should be filmed on a smaller tablet or with PA on MeeGo, because on a Wetab with PA on Mer's high resolution, the buttons and input fields are clearly way too small, which doesn't shed a good light on our UX. We clearly need DPI-awareness for all interactive QML components in the future, but for now I suggest we just don't show high resolutions where the problem becomes apparent. in general, really nice work and awesome to see the progress that is being made across the board. Agreed! I was especially pleased to see that there is now a "ghost" of the dragged resources in the browser, I must admit I haven't updated since that was implemented. Will have to try it out myself soon! ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Wednesday 05 September 2012 11:07:44 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > - When using Kmail Touch, it looks like you try swiping several times but > nothing happens. Either something actually did happen but you can't tell > what happened from the video, or the screen didn't recognize the gesture, > or there is a bug in Kmail Touch. Either way, it gives the impression that > Plasma Active is sluggish, which is not good for a touchscreen UI, so I > think that should be cut. I had the same impression: everything run smoothly except the kmail Touch application. Same feeling, you tried several times to swipe, but nothing happens. regards -- Bogdan ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Wednesday 05 September 2012, Bogdan Cristea wrote: > On Wednesday 05 September 2012 11:07:44 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > - When using Kmail Touch, it looks like you try swiping several times but > > nothing happens. Either something actually did happen but you can't tell > > what happened from the video, or the screen didn't recognize the > > gesture, or there is a bug in Kmail Touch. Either way, it gives the > > impression that Plasma Active is sluggish, which is not good for a > > touchscreen UI, so I think that should be cut. > > I had the same impression: everything run smoothly except the kmail Touch > application. Same feeling, you tried several times to swipe, but nothing > happens. > > regards i think i should remove the kmail part altogether. problem is, it actually goes to next/prev messages, but is almost invisible, because is not animate. kontact touch was really great because was the first mobile ready kde application... but unfortunately now is really showing its age and rough edges, needs quite some work. -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 20:10:11 Marco Martin wrote: > On Wednesday 05 September 2012, Bogdan Cristea wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 September 2012 11:07:44 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > - When using Kmail Touch, it looks like you try swiping several times > > > but > > > nothing happens. Either something actually did happen but you can't tell > > > what happened from the video, or the screen didn't recognize the > > > gesture, or there is a bug in Kmail Touch. Either way, it gives the > > > impression that Plasma Active is sluggish, which is not good for a > > > touchscreen UI, so I think that should be cut. > > > > I had the same impression: everything run smoothly except the kmail Touch > > application. Same feeling, you tried several times to swipe, but nothing > > happens. > > > > regards > > i think i should remove the kmail part altogether. or just shorten it. you switch between a dozen or more emails.. just one or two switches is enough, particularly between messages that are considerably different in size / content so it is evident that switching is happening -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Wednesday, September 05, 2012 17:52:24 Bogdan Cristea wrote: > On Wednesday 05 September 2012 11:07:44 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > - When using Kmail Touch, it looks like you try swiping several times but > > nothing happens. Either something actually did happen but you can't tell > > what happened from the video, or the screen didn't recognize the gesture, > > or there is a bug in Kmail Touch. Either way, it gives the impression that > > Plasma Active is sluggish, which is not good for a touchscreen UI, so I > > think that should be cut. > > I had the same impression: everything run smoothly except the kmail Touch > application. Same feeling, you tried several times to swipe, but nothing > happens. That's actually a UI problem in kmail touch, the swiping gesture doesn't have visual feedback (i.e. the page doesn't appear dragged), only once the gesture is finished, the message will be switched -- also without animation. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > * list of some features > > * announcement and dot articles > > * tons of screenshots > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high > > res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > this is a fisrst quick video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI with some touches based on comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
Tasty! What hardware is this running on? Carl On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Marco Martin wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: >> On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: >> > on more pr side, announcement material: >> > * list of some features >> > * announcement and dot articles >> > * tons of screenshots >> > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high >> > res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) >> >> this is a fisrst quick video: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > with some touches based on comments: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk > > > -- > Marco Martin > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Sunday 09 September 2012, Carl Symons wrote: > Tasty! > > What hardware is this running on? > usual exopc > On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > >> On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > >> > on more pr side, announcement material: > >> > * list of some features > >> > * announcement and dot articles > >> > * tons of screenshots > >> > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent > >> > high res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > >> > >> this is a fisrst quick video: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > > > with some touches based on comments: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk > > > > > > -- > > Marco Martin > > ___ > > Active mailing list > > Active@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
Hi, > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > > * list of some features > > > * announcement and dot articles > > > * tons of screenshots > > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high > > > res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > > > this is a fisrst quick video: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > with some touches based on comments: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk beatifull!! Where is the image? I want try on my wetab! Nicola ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Sunday 09 September 2012, Nicola De Filippo wrote: > Hi, > > > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > > > * list of some features > > > > * announcement and dot articles > > > > * tons of screenshots > > > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent > > > > high res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > > > > > this is a fisrst quick video: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > > > with some touches based on comments: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk > > beatifull!! Where is the image? I want try on my wetab! > Nicola you can try http://www.notmart.org/basyskom-plasma-active-devel-mer-usb-live-x86.usbimg (meh, i hope we can have weekly automatic images soon) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
Hi, On September 9, 2012 at 7:37 PM Marco Martin wrote: > On Sunday 09 September 2012, Nicola De Filippo wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > > > > * list of some features > > > > > * announcement and dot articles > > > > > * tons of screenshots > > > > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent > > > > > high res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > > > > > > > this is a fisrst quick video: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > > > > > with some touches based on comments: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk > > > > beatifull!! Where is the image? I want try on my wetab! > > Nicola > > you can try > http://www.notmart.org/basyskom-plasma-active-devel-mer-usb-live-x86.usbimg > > (meh, i hope we can have weekly automatic images soon) ^ http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/wetab.html --> "Development Mer Image" does not work? Cheers, Maurice ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Sunday 09 September 2012, Maurice de la Ferte wrote: > > you can try > > http://www.notmart.org/basyskom-plasma-active-devel-mer-usb-live-x86.usbi > > mg > > > > (meh, i hope we can have weekly automatic images soon) > > ^^^^^ > > http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/wetab.html --> "Development Mer > Image" does not work? > Cheers, > yeah, perfectly :) i thinki was still looking in the wrong place, sorry :/ Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Sunday 09 September 2012 15:06:48 Marco Martin wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > > * list of some features > > > * announcement and dot articles > > > * tons of screenshots > > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent high > > > res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > > > this is a fisrst quick video: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > with some touches based on comments: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk Yup, definitely better, great video! ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: plasma active 1
On Friday, September 7, 2012 21:00:12 Martin Wohlert wrote: > Hi there, > > is there a possibility , running plasma active on a ztpad c71 "upgrade" > (1GB Ram) not currently, and i unfortunately don't expect it to at this point -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3
On Sunday 09 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > On Tuesday 04 September 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Thursday 30 August 2012, Marco Martin wrote: > > > on more pr side, announcement material: > > > * list of some features > > > * announcement and dot articles > > > * tons of screenshots > > > * video (can give a try, but i don't have cameras that shoot decent > > > high res video, so anybody with a decent camera is welcome to do so) > > > > this is a fisrst quick video: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0JJUTIEcAI > > with some touches based on comments: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kopxlYA6Bk aand, hopefully the last one (this time higher res) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulcizzAj-N4 -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active application names
On 02.10.2012 12:19, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: It's called Okular Active (although the name is intentionally not user-visible anywhere). i think the Document Viewer is Calligra, actually .. Okular is our eBook reader. but yes, i'd prefer to keep those names out of the marketing and application listings for a variety of reasons. hopefully the distinction between Books and Documents is clear enough for people ... though we hide that detail nicely by replacing the "launch the application, open the resource" workflow with "find the resource, open the resource" The executable of Okular Active is currently called "active-documentviewer", that's why I assume Ivan meant that one. This is what I mean by "Even we confuse the applications" ;) Yes, hiding the application as such is definitely the way to go, but there may still be occasions where we will have to use the name in communication, and then we should still use it consistently. I guess we should hide "Images" from the launcher as well, and probably even "Books", as well as Calligra Active (since its main screen is pretty badly designed anyway). I'm okay with it being called "Files" for now, but it should be called that _everywhere_ then (in the Launcher, in the window title, in crash reports etc.). +1 for Files consistently across the board. - activities (create new activity shot) - market application (what are we actually calling that?) "addons store" The window title and the title for the kwallet dialog was still "Add Ons App" last time I checked. In the Launcher it's currently called "Store". i'd prefer "App" over "Store" as it's a lot more value-neutral. if we could drop 'App' altogether and just call it "Add Ons" that'd be great, but it doesn't seem meaningful enough to communicate the purpose of it to people without "Apps" (or "Store" or something like it) attached. Hmm... Well, the "App" in "Add Ons App" doesn't refer to the content available inside the "store" anyway, so I guess that can be dropped (since it's in the launcher, people know it's an application anyway). Therefore I'd vote for either really just "Add Ons" - or rather "Add-Ons", as that's the more common spelling I guess - or "Add-Ons Store". Just "Store" sounds too much like a thing where you can buy anything to me, like an interface to Amazon or something. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Infos
On Wednesday 26 December 2012 23:23:39 Mathieu Calvo wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, Padways is a french company that develops ambient intelligence systems for house livings and industry. These systems uses technologies as touchscreen, nfc, sensors, actuators,... We have designed our own hardware based on ARM core, we use Android OS most of the time and also work on our own embedded linux kernel, from an Angstrom one. But we just took knowledge of the Plasma Active project, we find that it looks very fine and would like to know more about it, in order to use it as an alternative of Android for our new customers. Could you tell me if the kernel is an open source one so that we could customize it for our hardware ? If yes do you provide the source for ARM based devices, as BeagleBone for example ? For Linux HMI programs we use Qt/C++ to develop them, I guess that this would also be possible for applications of Plasma Active interfaces ? I wish you good christmas holidays ! Hi Not sure if anyone has answered to this thread. I am not very familiar with the development around AP, you could have a look on AP site http://plasma- active.org/. There are also a number of companies involved that also provide periodic builds, so you might contact them for the available platforms. For the GUI Qt/QML is the development framework, but QML seems to be the preferred way to build GUIs. Please also follow the discussions on freenode IRC channel (#active). regards -- Bogdan ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Infos
On Wednesday 26 December 2012, Mathieu Calvo wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > > > Padways is a french company that develops ambient intelligence systems for > house livings and industry. These systems uses technologies as touchscreen, > nfc, sensors, actuators,... > > > > We have designed our own hardware based on ARM core, we use Android OS most > of the time and also work on our own embedded linux kernel, from an > Angstrom one. > > > > But we just took knowledge of the Plasma Active project, we find that it > looks very fine and would like to know more about it, in order to use it as > an alternative of Android for our new customers. That sounds interesting, and yes, I think Active may be adapt at least for projects that require a full linux stack, or a completely customized vertical > > Could you tell me if the kernel is an open source one so that we could > customize it for our hardware ? If yes do you provide the source for ARM > based devices, as BeagleBone for example ? Plasma Active is based on Mer, that is a distribution of all the user space for ARM, kernel not included since it needs to be deployed/built in a quite different way for each different ARM platform. then there are "hardware adaptions" projects focused on a particular platform that provide the kernel/boot loader and anything else that is necessary to boot and run correctly a mer installation on that particular hardware. I can't answer at the moment about the support of a particular board, but in any case if is something not supported at the moment, is usually feasible to get it working in a reasonable amount of time, provided the availability of drivers. Unlike Android, Plasma active is based on top of a "normal linux" stack, so if the board currently works with other distributions (as i seen in the beaglebone example, seems to be present a debian distribution for it) yes, it can work with Mer/Plasma Active. > > For Linux HMI programs we use Qt/C++ to develop them, I guess that this > would also be possible for applications of Plasma Active interfaces ? yes, Qt/C++ (on top of X11) is the main development platform for Active. -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: plasma active 1
may I ask why? is the company not providing some secret drivers? where does it get stuck? isn't it possible to run PlasmaActive on the ztpad c71 "standard" (512MB) ... then, it should be possible on the the upgraded one, no? thanks (happy new year) On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Friday, September 7, 2012 21:00:12 Martin Wohlert wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > is there a possibility , running plasma active on a ztpad c71 "upgrade" > > (1GB Ram) > > not currently, and i unfortunately don't expect it to at this point > > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > > -- Mathieu Jobin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: plasma active 1
Hey Mathieu, On Monday, December 31, 2012 15:16:22 Mathieu Jobin wrote: > may I ask why? > is the company not providing some secret drivers? > where does it get stuck? > > isn't it possible to run PlasmaActive on the ztpad c71 "standard" (512MB) > ... then, it should be possible on the the upgraded one, no? It's a lack of open drivers indeed. Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Reviewboard for Plasma Active?
Hi everyone, all KDE projects besides Plasma Active I'm involved in make extensive use of Reviewboard. This would probably have been useless overhead when Plasma Active and everything involved in it was done either by the small core PA team or by external projects like KDE PIM or Calligra which used their own Reviewboard. Now however, we see the first new contributors like Michael Bohlender joining our effort, and we all hope that many more will come. Maybe this is the point where using Reviewboard may start making sense, so they can get their patches reviewed in a structured process? What do you think? Thomas ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Akonadi and Plasma Active
Hi all, as you know one central pieces of Plasma Active is kontact touch, and we are very happy we have such a nice application. However, since a while we tried to update our obs build to akonadi 1.9 and kdepim/pimlibs/runtime 4.10 and some problems started. the akonadi server is running fine, but seems to be unable to create most of the agents. Mail and alarms seems they get created, notes and calendar don't. even tough the alarms one doesn't seem reliable as well (sometimes we get the list of the alarms, sometimes not) i tried also to create the notes agent from the akonadiconsole utility, and the creation procedure goes on for a while, until it's time to actually create the file with the note and then the ui get stuck for about a minute then spits an error of timeout (same thing for calendars) one possible reason that i can think about is that is using the sqlite backend that may have had some serious regression? (however on plasma active using mysql is not much feasible, because besides not having a package, would be another big daemon on a mobile/arm device) anybody has an idea, or how i can get more debug/informations to help figure out what it is? (to test the problem, if someone is interested, the images here http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/deployment/wetab- exopc/tablet/mer/devel/weekly/ work just fine in virtualbox) I would love to have this fixed for pa4, otherwise we would have to still ship an old version, 4.9 or so :/ so any help, highly appreciated indeed ;) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active Imageviewer Improvements
Hi, I added a branch (rcg/imageviewer) to http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-mobile.git The changes include improvements for the built-in imageviewer. The most important change improves the switching between images by sliding left to right. The result should be that images are pre-loaded in the background and that the load times when switching to the next image is essentially zero. You can test that as follows: Open the "Files" aplication. Select "Images" and click on one image. Change back and forth between the images using the swipe left and right gestures. The images should be there instantly without any load times. Only when switching very rapidly to subsequent images "load-artefacts" should occur. Note that it may take two or three switches until the pre-load fully works. Another change is for scaling images to screensize and loading the full-scale version on-demand when zooming. This currently conflicts with the switching functionality. However, after directly opening a high-resolution image it should be possible to zoom in. You will see that the image is reloaded (this time with the full resolution) and you can fully zoom in then. The request is to move this change to integration: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/IntegrationBranches/plasma-mobile#Workflow Best regards, Ruediger -- http://ruedigergad.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Phone
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 14:34:30 marc_duni...@oxy.com wrote: > With the Vivaldi tablet soon to be released, and Canonical working on it's > own Ubuntu Touch Phone; is there a team/company working on a Plasma Active > mobile phone? Not currently; the only reason for this is a prioritization of manpower. If you would like to begin work on such a project, or know someone who would, I would be happy to sit down with them online and discuss technical details. Otherwise .. we'll get to it eventually :) > In the US, has System 76, Za Reason, or Think Penguin expressed interest in > selling these LTE phones? I have no idea; you'd have to ask them :) -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Phone
Hi > With the Vivaldi tablet soon to be released, and Canonical working on it's > own Ubuntu Touch Phone; is there a team/company working on a Plasma Active > mobile phone? This is absolutely going to happen. Yes. The only problem is getting mickey or another one of the FSO guys to write us support for the broadband chip of the device. But we will certainly tackle this task sooner or later. Since the EOMA-68 (and later) fits more then easily into the modern smart phone cases of common smartphones like the Samsung Galaxy S2 it's one of the most obvious applications of such a board. But for now, my company is going to learn the EOMA to know a little better with a tablet application. If the prototypes don't smoke and burn, and we don't go broke while trying to sell it on the market, feel free to come and ask again ;-) > In the US, has System 76, Za Reason, or Think Penguin expressed interest in > selling these LTE phones? Yeah! People actually would buy it! Another reason to speed up drawing schematics! :-) -David signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active Handbook released
So i'm pleased to announce my first selfmade handbook. The handbook is a startup guide for Plasma Active, and contains some useful informations about baking a Image to USB, installing Plasma Active, Using it as PIM and some things more. The Projectpage is on http://pactivehandbook.sourceforge.net/. On that place you can access the Docbook Sources, you can read it online and you can download the last PDF file. The best: It's free. If you want to honor the autor you can buy a print version of the book: * http://www.lulu.com/commerce/index.php?fBuyContent=14136835 (English) * http://www.lulu.com/commerce/index.php?fBuyContent=13687076 (German) -- Sincerly yours Sascha Manns (bdvb) openSUSE Packager / Membership team http://saigkill.homelinux.net ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active - Ultrabook touchscreen
Hello gents, I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad Flex 14 Touch-80C4000EBR, which came with windows 8.1. I'm a linux user since 2002, currently using openSUSE 13.2 (beta) but I was relly exited to see Plasma Active running in this touchscreen ultrabook. I've seen a lot of things about plasma active running in some tablets, but nothing about touchscreen notebook. I'm just sending this message because I can see a big "market" on touchscreen notebooks as no other linux DE works properly with touchscreen. Why not to create a distro with plasma active? (suse studio is a great tool for this purpose) (yes, there is a old one: https://susestudio.com/a/abQj83/plasma-active#discussion) Best regards, Caio Ferreira ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
plasma-active for Debian
Hi there! I'm trying to figure out what would be involved in getting plasma-active packaged for, and included in, Debian. plasma-active used to be in Ubuntu but was apparently removed because of the dependency on nepomunk. Debian people have told me to find out if this dependency has been reworked to things replacing nepomunk. I'm also wondering if anyone here is connected with the existing packaging efforts that existed for Ubuntu, or has (even a local) debianization going. Thanks, -- Stephen Paul Weber, @singpolyma See <http://singpolyma.net> for how I prefer to be contacted edition right joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active SDK Notes
Hi all, Here are the notes from the breakout session at the sprint about the Plasma SDK and Developer story. Plasma Active SDK = - Three "levels": (0) Simple App / Widget / "fart app" (purely Plasma Quick): Plasmate, (1) Complex App / Existing Qt & KDE app (C++ & Plasma Quick): Mer Plasma Active SDK - VM image of Mer SDK - additional packages (kdelibs, etc) preinstalled - IDE / editor installed on the host machine, way to mount source code inside VM - possibly IDE integration plugins to make building and installing easier - also possibe to SSH into the VM and build - easy to set up! (2) System / Core development - Mer PDK (not further specified at this point - ask fellow developers at this point ;) OBS Workflow - package it, .spec file (examples on OBS) - write yaml file, pass it through command - coolo has a tool to import Debian packages - upload to OBS: - official repo (for example for Spark): reviewed and vetted apps - contrib repo for third parties: no guarantees, basic checks to uploaders Things we need to do: - set up official and contrib repos - document for app developer how these steps work - ensure apps are actually maintainaned, not just dumped and let bitrot Cheers, -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Hello plasma active team !
Hello! Sorry to intrude like this but, I love KDE and am very interested in Spark (already on the preorder list). I am looking forward to do some apps on the spark but before it comes out, I'd love to help you with whatever I can, maybe you need something for the web (web page, design work, bug fixing, etc). I am a handy man and would love to help you with the load. Here is my linkedin profile, so you can see where I might be able to help you http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrei-sebastian-c%C3%AEmpean/20/707/786 . Thanks and good job! Andrei Sebastian Cimpean ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma active testers needed
Hi all, Please read the whole e-mail :) I'll need a couple of brave volunteers that have nothing to hide (aka no private data on their devices) to install the latest meego image (even better to wait for the first one built after this mail). You would use the same image for a week, two weeks, longer. Without reformatting the drive. And send me a few files after a week, after two, etc. The files needed are: - .kde/share/config/activitymanagerrc - .kde/share/config/locationmanagerrc - .kde/share/apps/activitymanager/activityranking/database -- If you want to help even more (or don't want to keep the same image for a long time) and have different wifis you connect to, please do this: start kdebugdialog --fullmode and set contour's and kactivitymanagerd's debug outputs to two different files in your home folder. Play with wifis and locations (set the location via the location applet for each wifi) turn off the device a couple of times, turn on... And send me the logs. -- Cheerio, Ivan -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:06:42 Dean Howell wrote: > We would like to send you some of our questions and *hopefully,* more than > one of you will be able to answer. It would be great for our readers to > get the perspective of some of the other developers. Would you guys be > interested in doing that? sure thing.. we could either do it by email or something "more live" like irc or skype. most of us are UTC + 0-2 hours (i'm UTC+1) so getting us together at the same time is often not too difficult. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
Hi Dean, Yes, sure, we could do an interview. I am working on the User Interface Design side of things, so if the Interaction Part is interesting as well, I could contribute that part. Regards, Fania Am 27.03.2012 17:06, schrieb Dean Howell: Plasma Active Team, We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core team and thought it would be fun to interview you guys /like a team/. We would like to send you some of our questions and /hopefully,/ more than one of you will be able to answer. It would be great for our readers to get the perspective of some of the other developers. Would you guys be interested in doing that? In addition to that, we are opening up guest blogs on The Powerbase, 'ala what OMG Ubuntu does for the Ubuntu developer community. We have a strong KDE readership and it would be a great place for you guys to share development updates. Best Regards, -- Dean Howell, Editor-in-chief The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
On Tuesday 27 March 2012, Dean Howell wrote: > Plasma Active Team, > > We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most > excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and > everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core team > and thought it would be fun to interview you guys *like a team*. > yep, sure, that sounds great :) when would be suited for you? maybe let's set up a doodle? -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
Dean Hi, I've been doing work on the Device Adaptation side of things for Vivalidi from the Mer community, count me in BR vgrade On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Marco Martin wrote: > On Tuesday 27 March 2012, Dean Howell wrote: > > Plasma Active Team, > > > > We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most > > excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and > > everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core > team > > and thought it would be fun to interview you guys *like a team*. > > > > yep, sure, that sounds great :) > > when would be suited for you? maybe let's set up a doodle? > > -- > Marco Martin > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
On 28.03.2012 17:08, Fania Bremmer wrote: Hi Dean, Yes, sure, we could do an interview. I am working on the User Interface Design side of things, so if the Interaction Part is interesting as well, I could contribute that part. Regards, Fania I clicked the wrong button yesterday so I accidentally replied Dean personally instead of the list. I'm in as well. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
Em Wednesday 28 March 2012, Marco Martin escreveu: > On Tuesday 27 March 2012, Dean Howell wrote: > > Plasma Active Team, > > > > We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most > > excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and > > everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core > > team and thought it would be fun to interview you guys *like a team*. > > yep, sure, that sounds great :) Count me in too. > when would be suited for you? maybe let's set up a doodle? Good idea. I think I am the only one in GMT-3 here, schedulling the interview for afternoon in GMT+1 is better for me :-) -- Lamarque V. Souza http://www.basyskom.com/ ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
Dean Hi, I'm doing much of the Plasma Active Integration on MeeGo/Mer, also I'm involved in some x86/arm hardware adaptions and building device images. You can count me in. Cheers Maurice On March 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM Dean Howell wrote: > Plasma Active Team, > > We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most > excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and > everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core team > and thought it would be fun to interview you guys *like a team*. > > We would like to send you some of our questions and *hopefully,* more than > one of you will be able to answer. It would be great for our readers to > get the perspective of some of the other developers. Would you guys be > interested in doing that? > > In addition to that, we are opening up guest blogs on The Powerbase, 'ala > what OMG Ubuntu does for the Ubuntu developer community. We have a strong > KDE readership and it would be a great place for you guys to share > development updates. > > Best Regards, > > -- > Dean Howell, > Editor-in-chief > The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: About Plasma Active
+1 :) On 29 March 2012 10:04, Maurice de la Ferte wrote: > Dean Hi, > > I'm doing much of the Plasma Active Integration on MeeGo/Mer, > also I'm involved in some x86/arm hardware adaptions and building > device images. You can count me in. > > Cheers > > Maurice > > > On March 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM Dean Howell wrote: > >> Plasma Active Team, >> >> We at The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> are probably the most >> excited blog on the Internet when it comes to Vivaldi, Plasma-Active and >> everything related to it. We want to bring some attention to the core team >> and thought it would be fun to interview you guys *like a team*. >> >> We would like to send you some of our questions and *hopefully,* more than >> one of you will be able to answer. It would be great for our readers to >> get the perspective of some of the other developers. Would you guys be >> interested in doing that? >> >> In addition to that, we are opening up guest blogs on The Powerbase, 'ala >> what OMG Ubuntu does for the Ubuntu developer community. We have a strong >> KDE readership and it would be a great place for you guys to share >> development updates. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> -- >> Dean Howell, >> Editor-in-chief >> The Powerbase <http://www.thepowerbase.com> > > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active -- Cheerio, Ivan -- While you were hanging yourself on someone else's words Dying to believe in what you heard I was staring straight into the shining sun ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Hello Plasma Active Community
Hello Plasma Active Community! I met Carl Symons at LinuxFest Northwest last weekend and got my first hands-on demo of Plasma Active. I am very impressed folks. By way of introduction, I'm Chris and I live on the edge of civilization in Puget Sound outside of Seattle, WA USA. I'm a developer (mostly C/C++) but am essentially a hardware guy at heart. I started my professional career in the late 1980's in the semiconductor industry (a major DSP chip manufacturing company) where I did many years of embedded systems development before wandering up the stack. Most recently I was a senior member of the Windows Core Application Model team at Microsoft in Redmond, WA where I designed and implemented a sophisticated package management system, was part of a small stealth team working under cover during Windows 7 on future enhancements to the Windows OS (software packaging, deployment, servicing, state separation, OS & app-to-app extensibility contracts...), and was intimately involved with the engineering effort underpinning Microsoft's forthcoming Windows 8 release. Specifically, I designed and my team implemented the new Windows Runtime (WinRT) API's leveraged by all Windows 8 Metro applications to access local storage and am listed as an inventor on an as-yes unpublished (but filed) patent that covers loosely-coupled synchronization of Metro application data via Microsoft's cloud infrastructure. It's OT but really none of this has anything to do with the job I took in 2006 when I joined Microsoft. I left the company several months ago and am now busy looking for a much less process-oriented employer who will let me write lots of code instead of spending 80% of my time attending meetings and filling out reports detailing the code I will write/have written in the 20% of my time remaining ;-) Given time constraints and given that I'm a Linux neophyte, I'm going to hang out in the background here and learn the ropes before stepping forward to help this project. I am very interested in the goals and hope to become active at some point in the future TBD. Just wanted to say hello, introduce myself, thank Carl for his time at LinuxFest Northwest, Aaron for talking to us via Skype at the conference, and voice my support for your fantastic work so far. Regards, Chris Russell ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: mer+plasma+active
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 19:40:21 Nicola De Filippo wrote: > Hi, > FYI among other things i admin/develop "notorious" (in italy) open source > educational project or italian primary school, today i have uploaded first > simple video > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z1lOy5ygriw cool :) with a bit more work this could really be kick ass. one thing i notice is that the keyboard interaction isn't great. hopefully we will get that improved shortly ... -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: mer+plasma+active
On 09.05.2012 00:20, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 19:40:21 Nicola De Filippo wrote: Hi, FYI among other things i admin/develop "notorious" (in italy) open source educational project or italian primary school, today i have uploaded first simple video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z1lOy5ygriw cool :) with a bit more work this could really be kick ass. Agreed. Using PA tablets in schools would definitely make sense (also with the whole KDE Edu suite), so any addition in that regard is awesome! one thing i notice is that the keyboard interaction isn't great. hopefully we will get that improved shortly ... +1. A numeric-only keyboard popping up for numeric fields would be great here (and for other numeric fields as well, of course ;) ). So Aaron, any news from the Maliit front? ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: mer+plasma+active
Em Wednesday 09 May 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer escreveu: > On 09.05.2012 00:20, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 19:40:21 Nicola De Filippo wrote: > >> Hi, > >> FYI among other things i admin/develop "notorious" (in italy) open > >> source educational project or italian primary school, today i have > >> uploaded first simple video > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z1lOy5ygriw > > > > cool :) with a bit more work this could really be kick ass. > > Agreed. Using PA tablets in schools would definitely make sense (also with > the whole KDE Edu suite), so any addition in that regard is awesome! > > > one thing i notice is that the keyboard interaction isn't great. > > hopefully we will get that improved shortly ... > > +1. A numeric-only keyboard popping up for numeric fields would be great > here (and for other numeric fields as well, of course ;) ). So Aaron, any > news from the Maliit front? I tested maliit last month and it still needs work to properly work in PA. The small popup showing the character being typed does not disappear if it is draw outsice the virtual keyboard window (that's is known problem from the blog post about maliit in PA). I also noticed other problems not mentioned in the blog: the virtual keyboard window is a bit outsice of the window (about 10px from the bottom is outside the screen), the keyboard does not automatically disappear most of the time (clicking on other windows sometimes makes it disappear), I have not found a way to make it show a dialpad-like keyboard, only the qwerty one. -- Lamarque V. Souza http://www.basyskom.com/ ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3: Website
On Thursday 30 August 2012, Ivan Čukić wrote: > > * update the plasma-active.org website: iirc Ivan had done a quite pretty > > redesign a while ago. > > I'll need some help with content and the top slideshow - don't know > with what you did it for the current version. (this time I think we > need at most 5 features to show up there - and we can zoom in the > pictures) it's just using one of the usual jquery premade stuff. sources of the current one are http://www.notmart.org/misc/activewww.tar.bz2 you can just take the relevant parts for the slideshow (the jquery-lightbox thinghy) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3: Website
Hello Ivan, Ivan Čukić wrote at Donnerstag, 30. August 2012, 19:48:32: > > * update the plasma-active.org website: iirc Ivan had done a quite pretty > > redesign a while ago. > The design is here: > http://plasma-active.org/3/ If you would like you can link to my PA Guide. Actually WIP. Have a nice evening Sascha -- Sincerly yours Sascha Manns Community & Support Agent / Balsam Plasma Active Developer open-slx GmbH Web (business): http://www.open-slx.com Web (private): http://saigkill.homelinux.net open-slx GmbH, GF: Dr. Ing. Stefan Werden , HR: 25786, Ust-ID: DE267619018 Einsteinring 7, 90 453 Nuremberg / Germany ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3: Website
Sascha Manns wrote at Freitag, 31. August 2012, 23:00:25: > Hello Ivan, > > Ivan Čukić wrote at Donnerstag, 30. August 2012, 19:48:32: > > > * update the plasma-active.org website: iirc Ivan had done a quite > > > pretty > > > redesign a while ago. > > > > The design is here: > > http://plasma-active.org/3/ > > If you would like you can link to my PA Guide. Actually WIP. Oops forgotten the link: http://pactivehandbook.sourceforge.net/ -- Sincerly yours Sascha Manns Community & Support Agent / Balsam Plasma Active Developer open-slx GmbH Web (business): http://www.open-slx.com Web (private): http://saigkill.homelinux.net open-slx GmbH, GF: Dr. Ing. Stefan Werden , HR: 25786, Ust-ID: DE267619018 Einsteinring 7, 90 453 Nuremberg / Germany ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active 3: Website
On 31.08.2012 23:28, Sascha Manns wrote: Sascha Manns wrote at Freitag, 31. August 2012, 23:00:25: Hello Ivan, Ivan Čukić wrote at Donnerstag, 30. August 2012, 19:48:32: * update the plasma-active.org website: iirc Ivan had done a quite pretty redesign a while ago. The design is here: http://plasma-active.org/3/ If you would like you can link to my PA Guide. Actually WIP. Oops forgotten the link: http://pactivehandbook.sourceforge.net/ Linking to the handbook from the page makes sense (if it reflects the current status). And please also link to the FAQ. They may really come in handy for new users as well. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma active capabilities and direction
Hello, I have some questions/ramblings/thoughts regarding Plasma Active ( PA ) that I really would appreciate some response to. Let me start with my "use case": I envision having a device which lets me, in no particular order of interest: stay up date with RSS feeds, browse some office documents, read my mail ( several different accounts ), connect to my irc networks ( quassel or plain ssh+irssi is what I use today ), do some general web surfin', listen to my music and watch some movies, as well as letting me use ssh in a couple of terminals. I also wish to be able to use a separate screen and keyboard to do some lighter coding ( read text editing ). I envision this device to be: somewhere between a phone and a tablet in size ( a samsung galaxy note II comes to mind ). A device fullfilling all of the above would for me completly eliminate the need for a laptop I know PA today satisfies a bunch of the above, so I'll get on to the specific questions: I) How does PA deal with multiple screens? a) Does kwin support using different themes/modes for different screens, ie could I have kwin-active handling the built-in display and regular kwin handle external desktop? b) What would happen to programs displayed on the external monitor when disconnected? Would they be hidden until a external monitor is reattached, or would they just receive a kill signal? c) Will there be tiling support on external monitor? Last status of kwin as far as I know is that is in-between ( it did support tiling, support was removed, might come back via kwin-scripts ). II) How does PA visavi virtual keyboard deal with external keyboards? Is the virtual keyboard disabled when there is a connected external kbd? III) Who does the device adaptations? From what I understand PA rely on Mer for the base OS, which in turn does not themselfs do the device adaptations. So who does? Best regards Andreas Nilsson ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Krita Sketch for Plasma Active
Hello Active-ists, A new version of Krita has just been announced. http://krita.org/item/124-krita-on-the-go-krita-sketch This application was done in cooperation with Intel primarily for Windows 8. The user interface needs some QML-tweaking so it doesn't look alien on Plasma Active. KO GmbH is restricted by their agreement with Intel from doing this. Krita Sketch could be a great app for Plasma Active. Imagine being able to do real artistic work without a desktop computer and a Wacom pen tablet. https://projects.kde.org/projects/calligra/repository/show?rev=krita-sketch-rempt Is there anyone working on Active who would be willing to take this on? Carl ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
On 01.01.2013 15:33, Artur Dębski wrote: Sorry for the dropbox thing. I uploaded it on my server. http://mentero.net/ktpactive/ [8] 2012/12/31 David Edmundson On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Artur Dębski wrote: > Hi, > My name is Artur Dębski and I am a student from Poland. I am doing my BSc > degree at the moment and was suggested to try making KTp for PlasmaActive as > the graduation project. I have been talking to Dan quite a while ago and he > asked me to contact you guys. But as I was new to QML I wanted to make some > prototypes to get my feet wet first. So today I have some code I'm willing > to show you guys. I noticed you had some thoughts on the topic [1], as well > as a little mockup which I really liked. I put some personal touches to the > idea and started work. In the following link [2] you can get my code and > some screenshots. The app is not ready yet but I decided it's a good time > for some feedback. Please give me your opinions. QML at the moment is filled > with a lot of static content which I am slowly starting to replace with your > data. I was asked to save as much of your original code as possible which > sounds reasonable. I found your declarative plugins really awesome and gave > them a try by passing the ContactList model to my QML. I'll try to play a > little with your chat qml plugin next and then I guess I need to try create > similar tool for account management. Please ignore all of the C++ side at > the moment. I give you my code as .zip because my remote repo is hosted on > bitbucket and as far as I know it only allows up to five user per > repository. Sounds awesome. o/ I'm currently in the process of redesigning our contact-list-applet, and sorting out all the declarative backends and models, so we'll be able to fix a lot of things very soon. > > With all of that I am willing to wish you all Happy New Year :) Happy new years to you. > With best regars, > Artur Dębski > > [1] http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-telepathy/2012-March/006044.html [2] > [2] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1co2jqnh664e3lh/Yn4Zh0plnW [3] > That dropbox link takes me to a login page. If you can't make it public, email me privately and I'll host it somewhere for everyone to reach. > ___ > KDE-Telepathy mailing list > kde-telepa...@kde.org [4] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy [5] > ___ KDE-Telepathy mailing list kde-telepa...@kde.org [6] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy [7] -- Pozdrawiam, Artur Dębski Links: -- [1] mailto:xment...@gmail.com [2] http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-telepathy/2012-March/006044.html [3] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1co2jqnh664e3lh/Yn4Zh0plnW [4] mailto:kde-telepa...@kde.org [5] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy [6] mailto:kde-telepa...@kde.org [7] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy [8] http://mentero.net/ktpactive/ [9] mailto:da...@davidedmundson.co.uk Hi Artur, first of all: I'm really happy that you are working on this! Having a good, well-integrated IM client for Plasma Active is very important for us, so your work is very much appreciated by the Plasma Active project! In case you have not heard my name yet: I am currently "the User Experience guy" in the Plasma Active team, I am responsible for the Plasma Active Human Interface Guidelines (http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development/ActiveHIG) and I consult the KTp team on UX issues as well, so there are numerous reasons why we should work closely together. Since many aspects of the application you are creating are not covered by the HIGs yet (because they haven't come up in PA apps yet), KTp Active will be a precedent for other applications. For that reason it is even more important that we work closeley together, because the precedent of course has to give the best example possible ;) Your mockups look pretty nice already, I just want to make sure that the KTp UI blens in with the rest oif Plasma Active as well as possible. I have CC'd the Plasma Active mailing list because I think it makes sense to work with the Plasma Active team as well as the KTp team on both UX and technical aspects. What means of communication works best for you? Email? IM? IRC? Looking forward to working with you, Thomas ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
I talked to Thomas today. Here comes summary as requested: - Thomas suggested different method of setting you status message. To do it now you have to enter status selection mode and click on the button next to it. I disliked it but couldnt think of anything else. Thomas idea was to spilt the button clickable area into to part: icon and text. When you click on text you enter message editing mode. When you click on icon you enter status selection mode. It will be easier to use and will save you one step when changing status message. - Active conversations sidebar will be overlay drawer as primarliy intended. It looks like the feature I was seeking was just not implemented yet. It should be available now. - The contacts list will end up in the split drawer as well. When drawers were created there was an assumption the applications will have only one drawer (if any), and it will be positioned on the right. In KTp Active it feels ok to have two drawers at the same time. The reason behind this is to give user a possibility to hide whole contact list to save space on smaller devices. However we will have to wait for this. This feature takes some work to implement and was not scheduled by PlasmaActive team. - Thomas was not so sure about the menu sidebar idea. I kind of insisted it stayed as it is. Its meant to give you options not only related to contact list, such as link to application settings dialog. You can toggle its visibility and since it isnt using much space I imagine some people who want to have it visible all the time. - The lightbulb idea was appreciated. If you don't know what I am talking about you might want to read my blogpost on KTp Active: http://www.blog.mentero.net/kde/ktp-active/bringing-ktp-active-to-life/ If you are unfamiliar with Plasma Active components and don't know what drawers are: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Development/ActiveHIG/Drawers Artur 2013/1/2 David Edmundson > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer > wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 January 2013 22:38:16 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > >> On Tuesday 01 January 2013 18:28:54 Artur Dębski wrote: > >> > > What means of communication works best for you? Email? IM? IRC? > >> > > >> > Any will do :) I will show myself on IRC today. > >> > > >> > Artur > >> > >> Do you have time tomorrow afternoon or evening to meet on IRC? If so, > what > >> time would work best for you? What's your nickname on IRC? Mine is > colomar. > > Can I remind everyone that all discussions should be summarised on the > mailing list (or in bug reports) afterwards. > > >> > >> Thomas > > > > *grml* I meant to to send to Artur directly. Sorry for the two spam > mails... > > > > > ___ > > KDE-Telepathy mailing list > > kde-telepa...@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy > ___ > KDE-Telepathy mailing list > kde-telepa...@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy > -- Pozdrawiam, Artur Dębski ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
On Thursday 03 January 2013, Artur Dębski wrote: > I talked to Thomas today. Here comes summary as requested: first of all: grat job! it's a badly needed application and i think is pretty near to be really good looking :) > - Thomas suggested different method of setting you status message. To do it > now you have to enter status selection mode and click on the button next to > it. I disliked it but couldnt think of anything else. Thomas idea was to > spilt the button clickable area into to part: icon and text. When you click > on text you enter message editing mode. When you click on icon you enter > status selection mode. It will be easier to use and will save you one step > when changing status message. it can just stay a lineedit, in this case is obvious it's always editable and there are no "modes" > - Active conversations sidebar will be overlay drawer as primarliy > intended. It looks like the feature I was seeking was just not implemented > yet. It should be available now. > > - The contacts list will end up in the split drawer as well. When drawers > were created there was an assumption the applications will have only one > drawer (if any), and it will be positioned on the right. In KTp Active it > feels ok to have two drawers at the same time. The reason behind this is to > give user a possibility to hide whole contact list to save space on smaller > devices. However we will have to wait for this. This feature takes some > work to implement and was not scheduled by PlasmaActive team. just wondering: there seems to be plenty of space anyways.. any particular use case for wanting to close the contact list? i can think about very small screens or vertical ones > - Thomas was not so sure about the menu sidebar idea. I kind of insisted it > stayed as it is. Its meant to give you options not only related to contact > list, such as link to application settings dialog. You can toggle its > visibility and since it isnt using much space I imagine some people who > want to have it visible all the time. what is it? the round buttons at a side? I'm really not sure about them: at the moment they add quite a fair amount of visual noise (especially because they have a background always there) and are not really clear to me what they do, i would have to press them and see the effect to discover what they are about. a side note: The oxygen icons don't work that well in active, especially for actions. They are ok, but only if in any given moment there aren't more than 2-3 together in the same screen. > - The lightbulb idea was appreciated. what does the lightbulb icon exactly? again, if those actions were in a menu of only text, except the 2 or 3 more used te effect is probably slightly better. just a couple of other comments related to the look (meant in a purely constructive way eh ;) * if the sidebar is directly attached to the edge not only removes that column of icons but also the left shadow, that is an element more in the screen * what is used as background for the contact list? there is a standard element for that that is a bit more light (and will probably become even more) * bold text should usually be avoided (we still have to implement in a good way font guidelines) * toolbars: would be possible to merge the two top toolbars in just one? (again by limiting the number of actions to the bare minimum) right now the bottom one is also displayed with all the 4 borders, adding more graphical elements * instead a place where it may look better *adding* a toolbar is the textarea used to write a message: right now the messages kindof disappear into nothing and most components don't work too much in the blue area, if there was a toolbar around (arranged in a way only the top border is visible) the messages would look like they are scrolling behind it, would look more organic * messages: now the dialogs/background element of framesvg has a balloon-tip element (just a little triangle), it may be used as a comic balloon tip to connect the avatars and the message frame Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
On Thursday 03 January 2013 21:11:21 Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 January 2013, Artur Dębski wrote: > > I talked to Thomas today. Here comes summary as requested: > first of all: grat job! it's a badly needed application and i think is > pretty near to be really good looking :) Agreed. I'm really looking forward to it! > > - Thomas suggested different method of setting you status message. To do > > it > > now you have to enter status selection mode and click on the button next > > to > > it. I disliked it but couldnt think of anything else. Thomas idea was to > > spilt the button clickable area into to part: icon and text. When you > > click > > on text you enter message editing mode. When you click on icon you enter > > status selection mode. It will be easier to use and will save you one step > > when changing status message. > > it can just stay a lineedit, in this case is obvious it's always editable > and there are no "modes" Possible, but I'm not sure about it. I don't think people edit their status messages often enough to warrant a permanent lineedit. It has a strong typing affordance... > > - Active conversations sidebar will be overlay drawer as primarliy > > intended. It looks like the feature I was seeking was just not implemented > > yet. It should be available now. > > > > - The contacts list will end up in the split drawer as well. When drawers > > were created there was an assumption the applications will have only one > > drawer (if any), and it will be positioned on the right. In KTp Active it > > feels ok to have two drawers at the same time. The reason behind this is > > to > > give user a possibility to hide whole contact list to save space on > > smaller > > devices. However we will have to wait for this. This feature takes some > > work to implement and was not scheduled by PlasmaActive team. > > just wondering: there seems to be plenty of space anyways.. any particular > use case for wanting to close the contact list? > i can think about very small screens or vertical ones Exactly, these two ;) It's useless on a Wetab, but on a 7" screen (or even smaller if you're on a smartphone) you may want more space for the actual conversation and only show the contact list when you actually need it. > > - Thomas was not so sure about the menu sidebar idea. I kind of insisted > > it > > stayed as it is. Its meant to give you options not only related to contact > > list, such as link to application settings dialog. You can toggle its > > visibility and since it isnt using much space I imagine some people who > > want to have it visible all the time. > > what is it? the round buttons at a side? > I'm really not sure about them: at the moment they add quite a fair amount > of visual noise (especially because they have a background always there) > and are not really clear to me what they do, i would have to press them and > see the effect to discover what they are about. > > a side note: > The oxygen icons don't work that well in active, especially for actions. > They are ok, but only if in any given moment there aren't more than 2-3 > together in the same screen. Maybe we'll find a better way to present these actions, yes. > > - The lightbulb idea was appreciated. > > what does the lightbulb icon exactly? > again, if those actions were in a menu of only text, except the 2 or 3 more > used te effect is probably slightly better. > > just a couple of other comments related to the look (meant in a purely > constructive way eh ;) > * if the sidebar is directly attached to the edge not only removes that > column of icons but also the left shadow, that is an element more in the > screen > > * what is used as background for the contact list? there is a standard > element for that that is a bit more light (and will probably become even > more) > > * bold text should usually be avoided (we still have to implement in a good > way font guidelines) Ah yes, the font guidelines... I guess we'll have to sit together with Andrew and Aaron to think about how we can actually implement Andrew's suggestions soon. > * toolbars: would be possible to merge the two top toolbars in just one? > (again by limiting the number of actions to the bare minimum) > right now the bottom one is also displayed with all the 4 borders, adding > more graphical elements > > * instead a place where it may look better *adding* a toolbar is the > textarea used to write a message: right now the messages kindof disappear > into nothing and most components don't work too much in the blue area, if > there was a toolbar around (arranged in a way only the top border is > visible) the messages would look like they are scrolling behind it, would > look more organic > > * messages: now the dialogs/background element of framesvg has a balloon-tip > element (just a little triangle), it may be used as a comic balloon tip to > connect the avatars and the message frame Oh yes, absolutely, the triangle would make sens
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
On Thursday 03 January 2013, Artur Dębski wrote: > - The contacts list will end up in the split drawer as well. When drawers > were created there was an assumption the applications will have only one > drawer (if any), and it will be positioned on the right. In KTp Active it > feels ok to have two drawers at the same time. The reason behind this is to > give user a possibility to hide whole contact list to save space on smaller > devices. However we will have to wait for this. This feature takes some > work to implement and was not scheduled by PlasmaActive team. this is a quick and dirty attempt of flipping SplitDrawer: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/01/04/plasma-desktopVR5079.png the look would have to stay that way, sidebar on bottom with blue background and content on top with white background. it may work in some case and not in others... maybe in the case of ktp would be worth having a custom component? also because you would probably want different icons in the left and right handles. i see some options: * keeping it that way (the code of the drawer becomes a tad crappy tough) * custom code to do the opening panel at the left * keeping the splitdrawer api, but internally loading two completely different sets of code when doing left/right drawers * keeping the left sidebar fixed, always open if the screen is big (ie more than x characters wide) and auto transforming it in an overlay drawer when the screen is narrow (phisical size or vertical) last option would also involve flipping overlay drawer, and changing it on the fly isn't that easy but i'm leaning towards it from a pure design pov Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
On Thursday 03 January 2013, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > devices. However we will have to wait for this. This feature takes some > > > work to implement and was not scheduled by PlasmaActive team. > > > > just wondering: there seems to be plenty of space anyways.. any > > particular use case for wanting to close the contact list? > > i can think about very small screens or vertical ones > > Exactly, these two ;) It's useless on a Wetab, but on a 7" screen (or even > smaller if you're on a smartphone) you may want more space for the actual > conversation and only show the contact list when you actually need it. hmm, so makes me wonder... * closing the sidebar is completely useless on wetab size * on a small, even worse vertical screen, it becomes too narrow to keep open and still be able to read the messages (there would end up a word per line or something like that) so shouldn't it be fixed when the screen is big and just an overlay drawer when the screen is narrow? (i think also that some day we'll need to be able to auto change split drawers in overlay drawers on vertical screens but that's another story) Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: KTp and Plasma Active
ktp-active repository has now been created \o/ Artur, Dan could you make sure all the licenses are fixed. There's a program called licensecheck which is useful for this. It should be correct for all cpp, h and qml files. Once that's done, let me me know and I'll check and do the initial import. >From there we can get Artur KDE commit access, and we can work on making 1-1 chat work and work on basing it on the move_plasma branch of ktp-common-internals. Dave On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Marco Martin wrote: > On Thursday 03 January 2013, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > >> > > devices. However we will have to wait for this. This feature takes some >> > > work to implement and was not scheduled by PlasmaActive team. >> > >> > just wondering: there seems to be plenty of space anyways.. any >> > particular use case for wanting to close the contact list? >> > i can think about very small screens or vertical ones >> >> Exactly, these two ;) It's useless on a Wetab, but on a 7" screen (or even >> smaller if you're on a smartphone) you may want more space for the actual >> conversation and only show the contact list when you actually need it. > > hmm, so makes me wonder... > * closing the sidebar is completely useless on wetab size > * on a small, even worse vertical screen, it becomes too narrow to keep open > and still be able to read the messages (there would end up a word per line or > something like that) > > so shouldn't it be fixed when the screen is big and just an overlay drawer > when the screen is narrow? > (i think also that some day we'll need to be able to auto change split drawers > in overlay drawers on vertical screens but that's another story) > > Cheers, > Marco Martin > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Plasma Active on ZTE V9
Hi, My name is Bill and I'm interested to install the plasma active in one ZTE V9 tablet. how is this possible? Thanks Bill ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Reviewboard for Plasma Active?
On Monday, January 14, 2013 14:11:25 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Maybe this is the point where using Reviewboard may start making sense, > so they can get their patches reviewed in a structured process? absolutely. question is whether we want/need a unique product for this, or if we just use the plasma group for it. personally, i'd be happy with using the plasma group as much of the changes should be looked at by the same group of folks... -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Reviewboard for Plasma Active?
On Tuesday 15 January 2013, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2013 15:38:22 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On Monday, January 14, 2013 14:11:25 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > Maybe this is the point where using Reviewboard may start making sense, > > > so they can get their patches reviewed in a structured process? > > > > absolutely. question is whether we want/need a unique product for this, > > or if we just use the plasma group for it. personally, i'd be happy with > > using the plasma group as much of the changes should be looked at by the > > same group of folks... > > hasn't there been the idea to merge active more into plasma again? If that > is still the plan, it should just reuse the Plasma group. yeah, i thin this is still the plan,, also counting recent discussions on plsama-devel about bringing together all "workspace" related projects -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Reviewboard for Plasma Active?
On Tuesday 15 January 2013 17:44:56 Marco Martin wrote: > On Tuesday 15 January 2013, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 January 2013 15:38:22 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > On Monday, January 14, 2013 14:11:25 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > > Maybe this is the point where using Reviewboard may start making > > > > sense, > > > > so they can get their patches reviewed in a structured process? > > > > > > absolutely. question is whether we want/need a unique product for this, > > > or if we just use the plasma group for it. personally, i'd be happy with > > > using the plasma group as much of the changes should be looked at by the > > > same group of folks... > > > > hasn't there been the idea to merge active more into plasma again? If that > > is still the plan, it should just reuse the Plasma group. > > yeah, i thin this is still the plan,, also counting recent discussions on > plsama-devel about bringing together all "workspace" related projects Okay, so how exactly should we use it? Ask new contributors to request reviews for their patches from the Plasma group? What about things the "core team" does? Should any of that be reviewed there as well and if so, what kinds of things? ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Reviewboard for Plasma Active?
On Saturday 19 January 2013, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > yeah, i thin this is still the plan,, also counting recent discussions on > > plsama-devel about bringing together all "workspace" related projects > > Okay, so how exactly should we use it? Ask new contributors to request > reviews for their patches from the Plasma group? What about things the > "core team" does? Should any of that be reviewed there as well and if so, > what kinds of things? i would say mostly 2 use cases: * when one does patches on somebody else's branch * when a feature branchis about to mbe merged in master, for last comments on code -- Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Akonadi and Plasma Active
On Friday 18 January 2013, Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > as you know one central pieces of Plasma Active is kontact touch, and we > are very happy we have such a nice application. > However, since a while we tried to update our obs build to akonadi 1.9 and > kdepim/pimlibs/runtime 4.10 and some problems started. > > the akonadi server is running fine, but seems to be unable to create most > of the agents. > Mail and alarms seems they get created, notes and calendar don't. even > tough the alarms one doesn't seem reliable as well (sometimes we get the > list of the alarms, sometimes not) > > i tried also to create the notes agent from the akonadiconsole utility, and > the creation procedure goes on for a while, until it's time to actually > create the file with the note and then the ui get stuck for about a minute > then spits an error of timeout (same thing for calendars) > > one possible reason that i can think about is that is using the sqlite > backend that may have had some serious regression? (however on plasma > active using mysql is not much feasible, because besides not having a > package, would be another big daemon on a mobile/arm device) > > anybody has an idea, or how i can get more debug/informations to help > figure out what it is? > > (to test the problem, if someone is interested, the images here > http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/deployment/wetab- > exopc/tablet/mer/devel/weekly/ > work just fine in virtualbox) > > > I would love to have this fixed for pa4, otherwise we would have to still > ship an old version, 4.9 or so :/ so any help, highly appreciated indeed > ;) > > Cheers, > Marco Martin looking a bit into it i see that is a problem that happens now everywhere when using the qsqlite3 backend. I tried to bisect the akonadi repository, and the commit where it starts to have problems is 7d3c102570c906dd427af1271eefc07bb18d45b5 "Cache prepared queries and re-use them whenever possible." 13 Jul 2012 I guess that from that revision it started to generate queries that can't be parsed by sqlite? and any idea how and if this can be solved? It passed a long time without being noticed because the image of Plasma Active 3 still used an older akonadi/kdepim release. Cheers, Marco Martin ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Imageviewer Improvements
On Wednesday 20 February 2013 23:36:02 Ruediger Gad wrote: > Hi, > > I added a branch (rcg/imageviewer) to > http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-mobile.git > > The changes include improvements for the built-in imageviewer. > > The most important change improves the switching between images by > sliding left to right. > The result should be that images are pre-loaded in the background and > that the load times when switching to the next image is essentially zero. > > You can test that as follows: > Open the "Files" aplication. > Select "Images" and click on one image. > Change back and forth between the images using the swipe left and right > gestures. > The images should be there instantly without any load times. > Only when switching very rapidly to subsequent images "load-artefacts" > should occur. > Note that it may take two or three switches until the pre-load fully works. > > Another change is for scaling images to screensize and loading the > full-scale version on-demand when zooming. > This currently conflicts with the switching functionality. > However, after directly opening a high-resolution image it should be > possible to zoom in. > You will see that the image is reloaded (this time with the full > resolution) and you can fully zoom in then. > > The request is to move this change to integration: > http://community.kde.org/Plasma/IntegrationBranches/plasma-mobile#Workflow These sound like useful improvements! Could you open a review request on reviewboard.kde.org for the plasma group? Thanks, Thomas ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Imageviewer Improvements
On Thursday, February 21, 2013 00:09:15 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > These sound like useful improvements! > Could you open a review request on reviewboard.kde.org for the plasma group? We already discussed this with Ruedigar on irc and have looked through the code, so a review request is not necessary in this particular case. I've added it to the integration schedule. It will hit integration on Monday. -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Imageviewer Improvements
On 21.02.2013 13:08, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, February 21, 2013 00:09:15 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: These sound like useful improvements! Could you open a review request on reviewboard.kde.org for the plasma group? We already discussed this with Ruedigar on irc and have looked through the code, so a review request is not necessary in this particular case. I've added it to the integration schedule. It will hit integration on Monday. Okay, all the better :) Looking forward to trying it out! ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Project involving Mer/Plasma Active
Plasma Team, I know you are all incredibly busy advancing Plasma Active. As a KDE user from 1.1 (konqueror was so simple yet powerful back then!) I believe many KDE technologies are poised for a breakthrough in the markets around the world. I am going to be creating a tablet based product and would love to partner with a good team and estimate the cost to get it completed for investors. Do you know the best avenue for communication to take? I know several of you work for companies that do this type of thing. All my best, Jason Spisak (formerly #2 at Lycoris, a KDE based distro way back in time ;-) ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Some questions regarding Plasma Active
Hi all, I've been playing around with PA, and I'm looking to get involved with the project. I also have a Nexus 7 to play with, and a 10 I'd like to get PA on. I've installed the Mer SDK and read its documentation. I have a few questions regarding PA: 1) Aaron mentioned in one of his video cast that PA was using zypper for it's package management, but the kickstarter files default to yum. Which manager is meant to be used by PA? If zypper is supposed to be the default, I'll post a patch to change it. 2) When building development images for the Nexus 7, there is the ssu script run, but it doesn't have tokens mapped by default. Is this by design, and I should I be specifying appropriate token map arguments to mic? Or is this a bug? 3) Is ssu system the future for repository management? The latest image I have using it is missing various debuginfo packages (from the repositories), making debugging a pain. 4) When trying to build a PA4 image for the Nexus 7, it fails with the error: Error : Unable to find package: graphics-adaptation-tegra3-libEGL Which seems to come from the tegra3 repositories not having packages in testing. Thus, is PA4 currently targeting the N7, and if so, is there some way I can help get those packages ready? Or is the N7 not going to be included in PA4? Development images are fine, as long as I target latest- devel, and the repositories are all found so the yaml files seem to be fine in general. Thanks for any help, -- Matthew smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
What Plasma Active 4 offers
Hello Plasma Activists, Today is Release Day, and we are finalizing the announcement that will appear on The Dot (dot.kde.org) In the discussion was the following interchange: Aaron Seigo: "what I do wish was in the article was a list of things Plasma Active comes with (touch-friendly groupware including email and calendaring; file management; etc.) so people don’t forget or people new to it understand what is there." Thomas Pfeiffer: Yes. That's also what we agreed on during the release marketing meeting, but somehow it turned into a "what's new" anyway. Maybe the paragraph should be renamed to "What Plasma Active 4 offers" and contain everything important and cool, regardless of when it was introduced. So what should be on the list of what Plasma Active 4 offers? Time is short. Please reply to the list with your suggestions for what should be included. Thank you Carl ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active Handbook released
On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 15:38:24 Sascha Manns wrote: > So i'm pleased to announce my first selfmade handbook. The handbook is a > startup guide for Plasma Active, and contains some useful informations about > baking a Image to USB, installing Plasma Active, Using it as PIM and some > things more. Very cool; I’ll give this some promo tomorrow on G+ and my blog. This will be a great resource to many people, I’m sure! -- Aaron J. Seigo ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active - Ultrabook touchscreen
Hallo what version of Plasma Active did you run and how did you install it? Cheers Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active - Ultrabook touchscreen
On Thursday 09 October 2014 15:51:19 Caio Ferreira wrote: > Hello gents, > I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad Flex 14 Touch-80C4000EBR, which came with > windows 8.1. I'm a linux user since 2002, currently using openSUSE 13.2 > (beta) but I was relly exited to see Plasma Active running in this > touchscreen ultrabook. > > I've seen a lot of things about plasma active running in some tablets, but > nothing about touchscreen notebook. I'm just sending this message because I > can see a big "market" on touchscreen notebooks as no other linux DE works > properly with touchscreen. > Why not to create a distro with plasma active? (suse studio is a great tool > for this purpose) (yes, there is a old one: > https://susestudio.com/a/abQj83/plasma-active#discussion) > > Best regards, > > Caio Ferreira Hi Caio, (btw, why are you so sure there are no ladies in the Plasma Active team? ;) ) You are right, convertible laptop/tablets such as the Ideapad Flex are indeed a prime target for Plasma - though not for Plasma Active alone, but for the combination of Plasma Desktop in the laptop mode and Plasma Active in the tablet mode. Plasma Active was explicitly designed for pure touchscreen use, so it's what should be used in tablet mode when the keyboard and touchpad are hidden. Being able to seamlessly switch between the different shells when the device mode is changed has always been the goal of Plasma. However, in the Plasma 4 times, this didn't work smoothly yet. This will change with Plasma 5, though. The thing is that the port of Plasma Active to Plasma 5 is not finished yet. As soon as it's done, it should work in any distribution that ships Plasma, so it makes most sense to pick it up at that point. Another reason why we don't see widespread adoption of Plasma Active in regular Linux distributions yet might be that it was developed based on the mobile-focused Mer platform and packaging it in other distributions turned out not to be trivial. This will change with the Plasma 5 version, too, since at that point Plasma Active is just a regular shell package like Plasma Desktop. So, tl;dr : If you want the optimal experience with Plasma on your convertible, either wait for the port to Plasma 5 or help make it happen faster by contributing code / money / whatever to its development ;) Best, Thomas ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active - Ultrabook touchscreen
Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2014, 18:23:44 schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > On Thursday 09 October 2014 15:51:19 Caio Ferreira wrote: > > Hello gents, > > > > I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad Flex 14 Touch-80C4000EBR, which came with > > windows 8.1. I'm a linux user since 2002, currently using openSUSE 13.2 > > (beta) but I was relly exited to see Plasma Active running in this > > touchscreen ultrabook. > > > > I've seen a lot of things about plasma active running in some tablets, but > > nothing about touchscreen notebook. I'm just sending this message because > > I > > can see a big "market" on touchscreen notebooks as no other linux DE works > > properly with touchscreen. > > > > Why not to create a distro with plasma active? (suse studio is a great > > tool > > for this purpose) (yes, there is a old one: > > https://susestudio.com/a/abQj83/plasma-active#discussion) > > > > Best regards, > > > > Caio Ferreira > > Hi Caio, > (btw, why are you so sure there are no ladies in the Plasma Active team? ;) > ) You are right, convertible laptop/tablets such as the Ideapad Flex are > indeed a prime target for Plasma - though not for Plasma Active alone, but > for the combination of Plasma Desktop in the laptop mode and Plasma Active > in the tablet mode. > Plasma Active was explicitly designed for pure touchscreen use, so it's what > should be used in tablet mode when the keyboard and touchpad are hidden. > > Being able to seamlessly switch between the different shells when the device > mode is changed has always been the goal of Plasma. However, in the Plasma > 4 times, this didn't work smoothly yet. > This will change with Plasma 5, though. The thing is that the port of Plasma > Active to Plasma 5 is not finished yet. As soon as it's done, it should > work in any distribution that ships Plasma, so it makes most sense to pick > it up at that point. > > Another reason why we don't see widespread adoption of Plasma Active in > regular Linux distributions yet might be that it was developed based on the > mobile-focused Mer platform and packaging it in other distributions turned > out not to be trivial. This will change with the Plasma 5 version, too, > since at that point Plasma Active is just a regular shell package like > Plasma Desktop. > > So, tl;dr : If you want the optimal experience with Plasma on your > convertible, either wait for the port to Plasma 5 or help make it happen > faster by contributing code / money / whatever to its development ;) > > Best, > Thomas > > > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active Very good news Thomas Cheers Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Romey Krokusstraße 37 47249 Duisburg Bitte Anhänge nur in freien Formaten. Die Nachricht ist signiert, der öffentliche Schlüssel wird auf Anfrage zugeleitet. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active - Ultrabook touchscreen
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, hier wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2014, 18:23:44 schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > > On Thursday 09 October 2014 15:51:19 Caio Ferreira wrote: > > > Hello gents, > > > > > > I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad Flex 14 Touch-80C4000EBR, which came > with > > > windows 8.1. I'm a linux user since 2002, currently using openSUSE 13.2 > > > (beta) but I was relly exited to see Plasma Active running in this > > > touchscreen ultrabook. > > > > > > I've seen a lot of things about plasma active running in some tablets, > but > > > nothing about touchscreen notebook. I'm just sending this message > because > > > I > > > can see a big "market" on touchscreen notebooks as no other linux DE > works > > > properly with touchscreen. > > > > > > Why not to create a distro with plasma active? (suse studio is a great > > > tool > > > for this purpose) (yes, there is a old one: > > > https://susestudio.com/a/abQj83/plasma-active#discussion) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Caio Ferreira > > > > Hi Caio, > > (btw, why are you so sure there are no ladies in the Plasma Active team? > ;) > > ) You are right, convertible laptop/tablets such as the Ideapad Flex are > > indeed a prime target for Plasma - though not for Plasma Active alone, > but > > for the combination of Plasma Desktop in the laptop mode and Plasma > Active > > in the tablet mode. > > Plasma Active was explicitly designed for pure touchscreen use, so it's > what > > should be used in tablet mode when the keyboard and touchpad are hidden. > > > > Being able to seamlessly switch between the different shells when the > device > > mode is changed has always been the goal of Plasma. However, in the > Plasma > > 4 times, this didn't work smoothly yet. > > This will change with Plasma 5, though. The thing is that the port of > Plasma > > Active to Plasma 5 is not finished yet. As soon as it's done, it should > > work in any distribution that ships Plasma, so it makes most sense to > pick > > it up at that point. > > > > Another reason why we don't see widespread adoption of Plasma Active in > > regular Linux distributions yet might be that it was developed based on > the > > mobile-focused Mer platform and packaging it in other distributions > turned > > out not to be trivial. This will change with the Plasma 5 version, too, > > since at that point Plasma Active is just a regular shell package like > > Plasma Desktop. > > > > So, tl;dr : If you want the optimal experience with Plasma on your > > convertible, either wait for the port to Plasma 5 or help make it happen > > faster by contributing code / money / whatever to its development ;) > > > > Best, > > Thomas > > > > > > ___ > > Active mailing list > > Active@kde.org > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > Very good news Thomas > > Cheers > > Wolfgang > This is indeed an important area to investigate. I was discussing with David (another Plasma devel) this week that maybe we should get a laptop of those for testing. It's kind of hard to push this kind of things without the hardware... ;) Either way, the infrastructure is there, now it just needs the love. Cheers! Aleix ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: plasma-active for Debian
Hi > I'm trying to figure out what would be involved in getting plasma-active > packaged for, and included in, Debian. plasma-active used to be in Ubuntu > but was apparently removed because of the dependency on nepomunk. Debian > people have told me to find out if this dependency has been reworked to > things replacing nepomunk. I'm also wondering if anyone here is connected > with the existing packaging efforts that existed for Ubuntu, or has (even > a local) debianization going. Don't go this road... After my pointless discussion with the Debian people back then I finally decided to move over to openSUSE, Fedora and MerProject for having plasma-active, since the Debian people are the definition of incooperative and stubborn. I suppose plasma-active on Debian will never happen, just because it's Debian. Just use Mer-Project. Mer is the only distro where multitouch gestures are working as well... Cheers -- David Lanzendörfer OpenSourceSupport GmbH System engineer and supporter http://www.o2s.ch/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: plasma-active for Debian
Don't go this road... After my pointless discussion with the Debian people back then I finally decided to move over to openSUSE, Fedora and MerProject for having plasma-active, since the Debian people are the definition of incooperative and stubborn. Whether it actually gets "into Debian" or not is somewhat less important to me (though of course that would be nice), just getting a working debianization going is definitely the starting point, if there isn't one around anywhere anymore. Well, I guess me getting the whole thing built/working from source is the real starting point, which I should probably work towards at this point. -- Stephen Paul Weber, @singpolyma See <http://singpolyma.net> for how I prefer to be contacted edition right joseph signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active SDK Notes
Em Thursday 08 March 2012, Sebastian Kügler escreveu: > Hi all, > > Here are the notes from the breakout session at the sprint about the Plasma > SDK and Developer story. > > > Plasma Active SDK > = > - Three "levels": > (0) Simple App / Widget / "fart app" (purely Plasma Quick): Plasmate, > (1) Complex App / Existing Qt & KDE app (C++ & Plasma Quick): Mer > Plasma Active SDK > - VM image of Mer SDK > - additional packages (kdelibs, etc) preinstalled > - IDE / editor installed on the host machine, way to mount source > code inside VM With VirtualBox as long as we can install the "guest add-ons" this part is very simple (VBox menu -> Devices -> Shared folders). To install the "guest add-ons" we need to compile its kernel module against the guest's kernel though. > - possibly IDE integration plugins to make building and installing > easier > - also possibe to SSH into the VM and build The ssh part is easy with VBox, just configure the VM network card as NAT and, in the same dialog, click on "Redirect ports" and redirect any port of the host machine (I use ) to port 22 of the guest IP address in the local network (10.0.2.15 here). This way the guest can access Internet and you can connect to its sshd, if with any other configuration I tried either you cannot connect to the sshd or the guest cannot access the Internet (at least not without manually configuring the guest gateway and DNS addressess). > - easy to set up! > (2) System / Core development > - Mer PDK (not further specified at this point > - ask fellow developers at this point ;) > > OBS Workflow > > > - package it, .spec file (examples on OBS) > - write yaml file, pass it through command > - coolo has a tool to import Debian packages > > - upload to OBS: > - official repo (for example for Spark): reviewed and vetted apps > - contrib repo for third parties: no guarantees, basic checks to > uploaders > > Things we need to do: > - set up official and contrib repos > - document for app developer how these steps work > - ensure apps are actually maintainaned, not just dumped and let bitrot > > Cheers, -- Lamarque V. Souza http://www.basyskom.com/ ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active SDK Notes
On Friday 09 March 2012 01:27:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > Hi all, > > Here are the notes from the breakout session at the sprint about the Plasma > SDK and Developer story. > > > Plasma Active SDK > = > - Three "levels": > (0) Simple App / Widget / "fart app" (purely Plasma Quick): Plasmate, > (1) Complex App / Existing Qt & KDE app (C++ & Plasma Quick): Mer Plasma > Active SDK > - VM image of Mer SDK > - additional packages (kdelibs, etc) preinstalled > - IDE / editor installed on the host machine, way to mount source > code inside VM > - possibly IDE integration plugins to make building and installing > easier > - also possibe to SSH into the VM and build > - easy to set up! > (2) System / Core development > - Mer PDK (not further specified at this point > - ask fellow developers at this point ;) > > OBS Workflow > > > - package it, .spec file (examples on OBS) > - write yaml file, pass it through command > - coolo has a tool to import Debian packages > > - upload to OBS: > - official repo (for example for Spark): reviewed and vetted apps > - contrib repo for third parties: no guarantees, basic checks to > uploaders > > Things we need to do: > - set up official and contrib repos > - document for app developer how these steps work > - ensure apps are actually maintainaned, not just dumped and let bitrot > > Cheers, Hi! I know that right now it might sound weird, but now I've just seen these conclusions and I feel like I was not at the same place. Right now there's no SDK whatsoever, the only way I could get to run some of my applications on Active was to actually do it on the device. I guess that applications must be important in active in the future, so a solution must be provided. As I said on the "workout", having a device image is good for having an overview of what the end result looks like, but I don't really think that this is going to scale: - Having two snapshots of the source code can be misleading to the developer. We can hack around ways to minimize this, but this is all logic that we'll have to work out. - It means to run a full-blown system virtualized on a qemu (or something similar) and compiling stuff on it. It's going to be slow. I understand that the plan is that people keep compiling and testing the programs against a locally installed KDE installation and they only compile it against ARM when they want to test it on the device, so why do we need an emulated system at all? Additionally, this solution overlaps with MerSDK in many levels. Also, as I said on the workout, I'd propose to look into something like MADDE or something like they're doing in QtonPi. Aleix ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active SDK Notes
Aleix Hi, Your right that we don't have an app developers SDK story at the moment bit work is going on in the Mer area, see http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-03-09-10.01.log.html. I note the next stage is to concentrate on the app development area. I did take notes from you during the sprint about your current workflow with madde and kdevelop and will feed these into the work going on in the Mer SDK area, The next Mer SDK meeting will be next Friday in #mermeeting and you are welcome there to make sure we are going in the right direction for your workflow. BR vgrade On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Aleix Pol wrote: > On Friday 09 March 2012 01:27:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Here are the notes from the breakout session at the sprint about the > Plasma > > SDK and Developer story. > > > > > > Plasma Active SDK > > = > > - Three "levels": > > (0) Simple App / Widget / "fart app" (purely Plasma Quick): Plasmate, > > (1) Complex App / Existing Qt & KDE app (C++ & Plasma Quick): Mer > Plasma > > Active SDK > > - VM image of Mer SDK > > - additional packages (kdelibs, etc) preinstalled > > - IDE / editor installed on the host machine, way to mount source > > code inside VM > > - possibly IDE integration plugins to make building and > installing > > easier > > - also possibe to SSH into the VM and build > > - easy to set up! > > (2) System / Core development > > - Mer PDK (not further specified at this point > > - ask fellow developers at this point ;) > > > > OBS Workflow > > > > > > - package it, .spec file (examples on OBS) > > - write yaml file, pass it through command > > - coolo has a tool to import Debian packages > > > > - upload to OBS: > > - official repo (for example for Spark): reviewed and vetted apps > > - contrib repo for third parties: no guarantees, basic checks to > > uploaders > > > > Things we need to do: > > - set up official and contrib repos > > - document for app developer how these steps work > > - ensure apps are actually maintainaned, not just dumped and let > bitrot > > > > Cheers, > > Hi! > I know that right now it might sound weird, but now I've just seen these > conclusions and I feel like I was not at the same place. > > Right now there's no SDK whatsoever, the only way I could get to run some > of > my applications on Active was to actually do it on the device. I guess that > applications must be important in active in the future, so a solution must > be > provided. > > As I said on the "workout", having a device image is good for having an > overview of what the end result looks like, but I don't really think that > this > is going to scale: > - Having two snapshots of the source code can be misleading to the > developer. > We can hack around ways to minimize this, but this is all logic that we'll > have to work out. > - It means to run a full-blown system virtualized on a qemu (or something > similar) and compiling stuff on it. It's going to be slow. > > I understand that the plan is that people keep compiling and testing the > programs against a locally installed KDE installation and they only > compile it > against ARM when they want to test it on the device, so why do we need an > emulated system at all? Additionally, this solution overlaps with MerSDK in > many levels. > > Also, as I said on the workout, I'd propose to look into something like > MADDE > or something like they're doing in QtonPi. > > Aleix > > ___ > Active mailing list > Active@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active SDK Notes
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 6:25 PM, martin brook wrote: > Aleix Hi, > > Your right that we don't have an app developers SDK story at the moment bit > work is going on in the Mer area, > see http://mer.bfst.de/meetings/mer-meeting/2012/mer-meeting.2012-03-09-10.01.log.html. > I note the next stage is to concentrate on the app development area. > > I did take notes from you during the sprint about your current workflow with > madde and kdevelop and will feed these into the work going on in the Mer SDK > area, The next Mer SDK meeting will be next Friday in #mermeeting and you > are welcome there to make sure we are going in the right direction for your > workflow. > > BR > > vgrade > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Aleix Pol wrote: >> >> On Friday 09 March 2012 01:27:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Here are the notes from the breakout session at the sprint about the >> > Plasma >> > SDK and Developer story. >> > >> > >> > Plasma Active SDK >> > = >> > - Three "levels": >> > (0) Simple App / Widget / "fart app" (purely Plasma Quick): >> > Plasmate, >> > (1) Complex App / Existing Qt & KDE app (C++ & Plasma Quick): Mer >> > Plasma >> > Active SDK >> > - VM image of Mer SDK >> > - additional packages (kdelibs, etc) preinstalled >> > - IDE / editor installed on the host machine, way to mount >> > source >> > code inside VM >> > - possibly IDE integration plugins to make building and >> > installing >> > easier >> > - also possibe to SSH into the VM and build >> > - easy to set up! >> > (2) System / Core development >> > - Mer PDK (not further specified at this point >> > - ask fellow developers at this point ;) >> > >> > OBS Workflow >> > >> > >> > - package it, .spec file (examples on OBS) >> > - write yaml file, pass it through command >> > - coolo has a tool to import Debian packages >> > >> > - upload to OBS: >> > - official repo (for example for Spark): reviewed and vetted apps >> > - contrib repo for third parties: no guarantees, basic checks to >> > uploaders >> > >> > Things we need to do: >> > - set up official and contrib repos >> > - document for app developer how these steps work >> > - ensure apps are actually maintainaned, not just dumped and let >> > bitrot >> > >> > Cheers, >> >> Hi! >> I know that right now it might sound weird, but now I've just seen these >> conclusions and I feel like I was not at the same place. >> >> Right now there's no SDK whatsoever, the only way I could get to run some >> of >> my applications on Active was to actually do it on the device. I guess >> that >> applications must be important in active in the future, so a solution must >> be >> provided. >> >> As I said on the "workout", having a device image is good for having an >> overview of what the end result looks like, but I don't really think that >> this >> is going to scale: >> - Having two snapshots of the source code can be misleading to the >> developer. >> We can hack around ways to minimize this, but this is all logic that we'll >> have to work out. >> - It means to run a full-blown system virtualized on a qemu (or something >> similar) and compiling stuff on it. It's going to be slow. >> >> I understand that the plan is that people keep compiling and testing the >> programs against a locally installed KDE installation and they only >> compile it >> against ARM when they want to test it on the device, so why do we need an >> emulated system at all? Additionally, this solution overlaps with MerSDK >> in >> many levels. >> >> Also, as I said on the workout, I'd propose to look into something like >> MADDE >> or something like they're doing in QtonPi. >> >> Aleix >> >> ___ >> Active mailing list >> Active@kde.org >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active > Hi! I'll try to be there. At what time? Aleix ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active SDK Notes
Em Friday 09 March 2012, Aleix Pol escreveu: > > Hi! > I know that right now it might sound weird, but now I've just seen these > conclusions and I feel like I was not at the same place. > > Right now there's no SDK whatsoever, the only way I could get to run some > of my applications on Active was to actually do it on the device. I guess > that applications must be important in active in the future, so a solution > must be provided. > > As I said on the "workout", having a device image is good for having an > overview of what the end result looks like, but I don't really think that > this is going to scale: > - Having two snapshots of the source code can be misleading to the > developer. We can hack around ways to minimize this, but this is all logic > that we'll have to work out. > - It means to run a full-blown system virtualized on a qemu (or something > similar) and compiling stuff on it. It's going to be slow. Not only slow, things like touchscreen-ony features (pinch and zoom), wifi, battery and kwin+opengl do not work in VirtualBox for example, you have to test them in a real device. Sound only works if you use the opensource version of VirtualBox plus the correct plugin or, for the binary-only version of VirtualBox, if you manually enable sdl's dlopen feature (sdl developers consider it broken). Shared folders do not work because VirtualBox is not able to compile its add-ons against the kernel in the image, of course, we could provide a rpm package with the add-ons to fix this problem (as long as that is permitted by VirtualBox's license). I do not own a tablet, I only use VirtualBox and have obs installed in my notebook to build rpm packages. Obs is also slow because for every package you build it firstly uninstalls any package that is not needed to build it and that takes time. There is also the fact that rpmbuild does not continue to build a package from the last error (after the error is fixed), you have to start from the begining. > I understand that the plan is that people keep compiling and testing the > programs against a locally installed KDE installation and they only compile > it against ARM when they want to test it on the device, so why do we need > an emulated system at all? Additionally, this solution overlaps with > MerSDK in many levels. For people like me that do not own a device? :-D > Also, as I said on the workout, I'd propose to look into something like > MADDE or something like they're doing in QtonPi. Interesting, for those using QtCreator MADDE looks nice. -- Lamarque V. Souza http://www.basyskom.com/ ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
Re: Plasma Active SDK Notes
> At what time? 10 am UTC, probably. Best Regards, Laszlo Papp ___ Active mailing list Active@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/active
