Re: [AFMUG] Will PMP/PTP 450i 900 MHz Work With Standard Polarity?

[Mathew Howard]

No, they will not. They need to have negative on pins 4&5 and positive on
7&8. It'll work fine if you just swap those two pairs in one end of the
cable.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:23 PM Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> Will the PMP 450i 900 MHz SM work with standard polarity? I understand
> they work with Cambium polarity from 20-32V, but I want to run one off a
> Netonix, and I'm not sure whether I need to reverse polarity or not.
>
> Thank you - Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Steve Jones]

My biggest real concern about this is idiots, particularly young idiots,
like most of us on this list probably were. Printing up the gun on a cheap
printer and blowing their hands off because they don't understand the
plastic quality matters. Granted, dumb kids like us blew things up with
other stuff and manages to keep most of our fingers and a percentage of our
hearing. Maybe I'm just getting old and worry about the consequences of
dumb kids.

And what happens to some kid who loads the file into one of the school
printers, his life is effectively over for being a dumb kid.

I find the hype humorous since you could download anarchist cookbook from
almost day one of the public interwebs. Meth recipes and instruction, ricin
production from castor beans, this krocodile fake heroin, napalm recipes,
etc.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 8:57 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/1/18 6:48 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > Yep. There is a reason guns essential parts are made of metal instead of
> > plastic. They will still shoot metal bullets.
>
>
> Print some plastic ones. Problem solved.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik stuff

[Steve Jones]

I have some keyon stock I'll trade you for them

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 7:55 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Each of those boards is around $150 brand new.  Same with the dark gray
> "NetMetal" on the far right.
>
> Someone must use them, but buying them used is like buying used goldfish.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 8/1/2018 8:06 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>
> Does anyone still use Mikrotik boards?
>
> I am taking down a WSIP that went out of business
>
> and they used Mikrotik boards and MeanWell 24 volt DC power supplies.
>
> Do these have any value?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mitch Koep
>
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[AFMUG] Will PMP/PTP 450i 900 MHz Work With Standard Polarity?

[Christopher Gray]

Will the PMP 450i 900 MHz SM work with standard polarity? I understand they
work with Cambium polarity from 20-32V, but I want to run one off a
Netonix, and I'm not sure whether I need to reverse polarity or not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/1/18 6:48 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Yep. There is a reason guns essential parts are made of metal instead of 
plastic. They will still shoot metal bullets.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Jay Weekley]

Yep. There is a reason guns essential parts are made of metal instead of 
plastic. They will still shoot metal bullets.


justsumname wrote:

In response to OP:
“Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the 
Internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. 
Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it 
unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, 
transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm.”


In response to my Nanny State comment:   I am offended by victimless 
felonies.   They trigger me.   And when I think about them, I feel 
micro-aggressed.


My understanding is that there is NO "plastic gun" even in question.  
 Even a 3-D printed 'firearm' will not function without a few metal 
parts, such as, a chamber.   Or maybe perhaps a trigger spring.   Or a 
barrel.


Ya know, if you make a gun wrongly, you might discover how to make a 
bomb.   And that's illegal already, too.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Mathew Howard]

>From what I've heard (which really isn't much), it sounds like the judge's
order was actually based on export restrictions, but I certainly got the
impression that it was about restricting it inside the US. It seems to me
that it will be difficult to keep a ban like that in place. I'm not trying
to get into the question of whether or not things like that should be
restricted, I just don't see how it can be under current law.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:46 PM  wrote:

> I get ITAR.  I have built software that was restricted.
> I remember not being able to sell to Vietnam.
>
> But if they really want to restrict knowledge of gun designs, they would
> have to bar the viewing of patents too.
>
> I think the judge was being emotional and political rather than logical
> and legal minded.
>
> *From:* Chuck Macenski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 5:40 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns
>
> If the "law" in question is that the export of a 3D printed design is an
> ITAR violation, then that's what the discussion (in the courts) should be
> about. Having said that, it is my limited understanding that the judge in
> the case was more worried about its use inside the US. To me, that seems
> like a stretch. You should not read my personal position on whether this is
> a good idea into this comment; I just wish people would argue about
> controversial issues honestly rather than, as an example, using an ITAR
> restriction to control distribution within the US. This is far from the
> only issue where people argue their position based on one set of facts when
> their real concern is something quite different.
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:22 PM justsumname  wrote:
>
>> In response to OP:
>> “Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet,
>> undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years.  Federal law
>> passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to
>> manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an
>> undetectable firearm.”
>>
>> In response to my Nanny State comment:   I am offended by victimless
>> felonies.   They trigger me.   And when I think about them, I feel
>> micro-aggressed.
>>
>> My understanding is that there is NO "plastic gun" even in question.
>> Even a 3-D printed 'firearm' will not function without a few metal parts,
>> such as, a chamber.   Or maybe perhaps a trigger spring.   Or a barrel.
>>
>> Ya know, if you make a gun wrongly, you might discover how to make a
>> bomb.   And that's illegal already, too.
>>
>> --Damn It
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik stuff

[Adam Moffett]

Each of those boards is around $150 brand new.  Same with the dark gray 
"NetMetal" on the far right.


Someone must use them, but buying them used is like buying used goldfish.

-Adam


On 8/1/2018 8:06 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:

Does anyone still use Mikrotik boards?

I am taking down a WSIP that went out of business

and they used Mikrotik boards and MeanWell 24 volt DC power supplies.

Do these have any value?

Thanks

Mitch Koep





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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik stuff

[Chuck McCown]

Trade some Tranzeo for them.

-Original Message- 
From: Mitch Koep 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:06 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik stuff 


Does anyone still use Mikrotik boards?

I am taking down a WSIP that went out of business

and they used Mikrotik boards and MeanWell 24 volt DC power supplies.

Do these have any value?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera system

[Mitch Koep]

Thanks all for the input

Mitch


On 7/31/2018 5:29 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I do...just installed two new ones for a church... they love that they 
can watch, capture or record video off their phones.


Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 1:49 PM Mitch Koep > wrote:


Has anyone used HikVision?

They look pretty nice

We are looking to have 64 Terabyte of storage


On 7/31/2018 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Takes them some time to make your account active so you can see
the price.
I need a product that will also allow a large monitor to watch
certain cameras.
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Camera system

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/nvr/platinum-network-video-recorder-nvr-ltn0764-r8.html

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/nvr/platinum-network-video-recorder-nvr-ltn9664-r.html
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:57 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

That's silly, buy a purpose built NVR specific for the
application.

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/nvr/platinum-network-video-recorder-ltn07128-r16.html
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:51 AM, Timothy Steele
 wrote:

your going to need to build a NVR server with ubuntu
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:50 AM TJ Trout 
wrote:

get lts so you have a standard cam/nvr combo
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Mitch Koep
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Hey Guys,

I have a school that wants 60 Cameras

I need some input for what you have used for the
NVR portion

that works with UBNT gen3 Cameras

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[chuck]

I get ITAR.  I have built software that was restricted.  
I remember not being able to sell to Vietnam.  

But if they really want to restrict knowledge of gun designs, they would have 
to bar the viewing of patents too.  

I think the judge was being emotional and political rather than logical and 
legal minded.  

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 5:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

If the "law" in question is that the export of a 3D printed design is an ITAR 
violation, then that's what the discussion (in the courts) should be about. 
Having said that, it is my limited understanding that the judge in the case was 
more worried about its use inside the US. To me, that seems like a stretch. You 
should not read my personal position on whether this is a good idea into this 
comment; I just wish people would argue about controversial issues honestly 
rather than, as an example, using an ITAR restriction to control distribution 
within the US. This is far from the only issue where people argue their 
position based on one set of facts when their real concern is something quite 
different. 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:22 PM justsumname  wrote:

  In response to OP: 
  “Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet, 
undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years.  Federal law passed 
in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, 
import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable 
firearm.” 


  In response to my Nanny State comment:   I am offended by victimless 
felonies.   They trigger me.   And when I think about them, I feel 
micro-aggressed.

  My understanding is that there is NO "plastic gun" even in question.   Even a 
3-D printed 'firearm' will not function without a few metal parts, such as, a 
chamber.   Or maybe perhaps a trigger spring.   Or a barrel.

  Ya know, if you make a gun wrongly, you might discover how to make a bomb.   
And that's illegal already, too.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Chuck Macenski]

If the "law" in question is that the export of a 3D printed design is an
ITAR violation, then that's what the discussion (in the courts) should be
about. Having said that, it is my limited understanding that the judge in
the case was more worried about its use inside the US. To me, that seems
like a stretch. You should not read my personal position on whether this is
a good idea into this comment; I just wish people would argue about
controversial issues honestly rather than, as an example, using an ITAR
restriction to control distribution within the US. This is far from the
only issue where people argue their position based on one set of facts when
their real concern is something quite different.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:22 PM justsumname  wrote:

> In response to OP:
> “Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet,
> undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years.  Federal law
> passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to
> manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an
> undetectable firearm.”
>
> In response to my Nanny State comment:   I am offended by victimless
> felonies.   They trigger me.   And when I think about them, I feel
> micro-aggressed.
>
> My understanding is that there is NO "plastic gun" even in question.
>  Even a 3-D printed 'firearm' will not function without a few metal parts,
> such as, a chamber.   Or maybe perhaps a trigger spring.   Or a barrel.
>
> Ya know, if you make a gun wrongly, you might discover how to make a
> bomb.   And that's illegal already, too.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Paul McCall]

Yep!  That’s what we decided.  Moving PSTs as we speak!

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 11:38 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

Use O365 for Exchange.  It will make your life easier, I promise.  On-prem 
Exchange for small environments rarely makes sense.  :)

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:03 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Since we already own office for all users, the $ 5 per month per user for 50GB 
boxes isn’t so bad.

We are considering that… still working our options

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

365 gets really expensive really quick.


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From: "Ryan Ray" mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted
I've built out 30k mailbox exchange implementations and honestly, unless you 
have someone to keep up on the patches / maintenance it's probably easier and 
cheaper to just use office 365.

To do exchange properly, you're going to need a spam appliance of some sort, a 
couple load balancing appliances (f5).

You don't really move your virtual machine DC or Exchange VM's. You have DAG 
groups with copies of your mailbox databases on multiple servers with cheap 
spinning storage. You should never snapshot an exchange machine, or a DC.

Fill out your requirements on here 
https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/office/Exchange-2013-Server-Role-f8a61780 
and see what comes up.

Of course you can also do exchange improperly / non high available, one server, 
one proxy server, if you lose it though, your email stops. So this really comes 
down to how resilient you would like your email to be.





On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain Controller.  Our 
thoughts are to buy a used box like this...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500-12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=650987938542&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&_from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0

with 48GB.  They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA drives and 
establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured we might as well.  Although, 
in reality, I like the idea of an SSD drive for speed purposes, but have not 
used them in a RAID 1 config.  Not sure if this box would support that.

Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty loaded but could 
be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange VM over to it (IF we do a VM).  
So, might be good to do this box as a ProxMox VM also.

So, looking for someone who can put this software install together for us for a 
reasonable price.

If you know somebody...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Sean Heskett]

It’s more about export laws governing weapons.  Just like you can’t export
strong encryption etc.

And also it is still LENT -Stay klassy San Diego ;)

-sean




On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:36 AM  wrote:

> Sorry, I guess we are actually getting into politics.  But it is just
> files, and the rights to own and share files.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 11:31 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns
> I am out of here for now ...you open the door I don't want to go in...you
> will not like my response
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 10:36 AM  wrote:
>
>> No, bicycle spoke drawings are not forbidden
>>
>> There are 3D metal printers.  But for really good ones you are probably
>> taking 6 figures.
>>
>> But a manual lathe and mill can be purchased for $1K and you can buy
>> metal...
>>
>> I don’t think they are going to be able to draw a line, but let’s assume
>> for a moment Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters are queens of the world.  What
>> would they say I wonder...  We can only rent sporks from the restaurant
>> while dining.  No sharp pencils allowed?
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:29 AM
>> *To:* AFMUG
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns
>>
>> Yeah... most people seem to have a very unrealistic idea of what a 3D
>> printer actually does.  I'm pretty sure I can't go buy a cheap 3D printer,
>> download that file, and have it spit out a functional gun 10 minutes later.
>>
>> If I post instructions on the internet for building a gun out of an old
>> bicycle, using a file and a hacksaw, would that be illegal? it's really no
>> different...
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:12 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/1/18 8:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> > I had all of the 3D files for an AR-15 years ago.
>>> > Widely available for download.
>>> > Easy to send to a 3D printer or a CNC milling machine.
>>> > The news is hyping this as something new.  I’ll bet those files I
>>> > downloaded are at least 10 years old.
>>> > Give me a gun, micrometer, calipers, height gauge and I will re-create
>>> > those files in a day.
>>> > What is the difference between thick walled tubing and a barrel?
>>> > Is a file that gives the design for a trigger or hammer going to be
>>> > outlawed.
>>> > But what if you make cap guns...  Squire guns... airsoft or paint ball
>>> > guns
>>> > And are they going to outlaw just certain gun part files or
>>> combinations
>>> > of files this seems totally impossible to outlaw.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> It seems like people think anyone can go buy a $90 entry level 3D
>>> printer and crank out a fully functional weapon instantly. Well,
>>> something for stabbing could be done in one print. I have to assume that
>>> everyone who is freaking out has never seen a real 3D printer.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Mathew Howard]

The obvious difference there is that it's going to take a certain amount of
skill to use a manual lathe and mill. They're making it sound like any
idiot can just print out a complete, fully functional gun. Even with one of
those really good 6 figure printers, I'm assuming you're still going to at
least have to assemble the thing (not that it's really matters anyway, if
you can afford to spend that kind of money, you're going to be able to get
as many untraceable guns as you want). Anyway, if somebody actually did
manage to make a gun with a $90 3D printer, what are the chances it won't
blow up in their face when they try to use it?

Pencils do seem pretty dangerous... and do we really need them, when safe,
soft tipped sharpies are so easily available? It would probably be best if
all just lived in padded cells, and were only allowed to use our sporks at
meal times, under proper supervision...

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:36 AM  wrote:

> No, bicycle spoke drawings are not forbidden
>
> There are 3D metal printers.  But for really good ones you are probably
> taking 6 figures.
>
> But a manual lathe and mill can be purchased for $1K and you can buy
> metal...
>
> I don’t think they are going to be able to draw a line, but let’s assume
> for a moment Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters are queens of the world.  What
> would they say I wonder...  We can only rent sporks from the restaurant
> while dining.  No sharp pencils allowed?
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:29 AM
> *To:* AFMUG
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns
>
> Yeah... most people seem to have a very unrealistic idea of what a 3D
> printer actually does.  I'm pretty sure I can't go buy a cheap 3D printer,
> download that file, and have it spit out a functional gun 10 minutes later.
>
> If I post instructions on the internet for building a gun out of an old
> bicycle, using a file and a hacksaw, would that be illegal? it's really no
> different...
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:12 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 8/1/18 8:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > I had all of the 3D files for an AR-15 years ago.
>> > Widely available for download.
>> > Easy to send to a 3D printer or a CNC milling machine.
>> > The news is hyping this as something new.  I’ll bet those files I
>> > downloaded are at least 10 years old.
>> > Give me a gun, micrometer, calipers, height gauge and I will re-create
>> > those files in a day.
>> > What is the difference between thick walled tubing and a barrel?
>> > Is a file that gives the design for a trigger or hammer going to be
>> > outlawed.
>> > But what if you make cap guns...  Squire guns... airsoft or paint ball
>> > guns
>> > And are they going to outlaw just certain gun part files or
>> combinations
>> > of files this seems totally impossible to outlaw.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It seems like people think anyone can go buy a $90 entry level 3D
>> printer and crank out a fully functional weapon instantly. Well,
>> something for stabbing could be done in one print. I have to assume that
>> everyone who is freaking out has never seen a real 3D printer.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[chuck]

No, bicycle spoke drawings are not forbidden

There are 3D metal printers.  But for really good ones you are probably taking 
6 figures.  

But a manual lathe and mill can be purchased for $1K and you can buy metal...  

I don’t think they are going to be able to draw a line, but let’s assume for a 
moment Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters are queens of the world.  What would they 
say I wonder...  We can only rent sporks from the restaurant while dining.  No 
sharp pencils allowed?

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:29 AM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

Yeah... most people seem to have a very unrealistic idea of what a 3D printer 
actually does.  I'm pretty sure I can't go buy a cheap 3D printer, download 
that file, and have it spit out a functional gun 10 minutes later.

If I post instructions on the internet for building a gun out of an old 
bicycle, using a file and a hacksaw, would that be illegal? it's really no 
different... 


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:12 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 8/1/18 8:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > I had all of the 3D files for an AR-15 years ago.
  > Widely available for download.
  > Easy to send to a 3D printer or a CNC milling machine.
  > The news is hyping this as something new.  I’ll bet those files I 
  > downloaded are at least 10 years old.
  > Give me a gun, micrometer, calipers, height gauge and I will re-create 
  > those files in a day.
  > What is the difference between thick walled tubing and a barrel?
  > Is a file that gives the design for a trigger or hammer going to be 
  > outlawed.
  > But what if you make cap guns...  Squire guns... airsoft or paint ball 
  > guns
  > And are they going to outlaw just certain gun part files or combinations 
  > of files this seems totally impossible to outlaw.
  > 
  > 

  It seems like people think anyone can go buy a $90 entry level 3D 
  printer and crank out a fully functional weapon instantly. Well, 
  something for stabbing could be done in one print. I have to assume that 
  everyone who is freaking out has never seen a real 3D printer.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... most people seem to have a very unrealistic idea of what a 3D
printer actually does.  I'm pretty sure I can't go buy a cheap 3D printer,
download that file, and have it spit out a functional gun 10 minutes later.

If I post instructions on the internet for building a gun out of an old
bicycle, using a file and a hacksaw, would that be illegal? it's really no
different...

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:12 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/1/18 8:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > I had all of the 3D files for an AR-15 years ago.
> > Widely available for download.
> > Easy to send to a 3D printer or a CNC milling machine.
> > The news is hyping this as something new.  I’ll bet those files I
> > downloaded are at least 10 years old.
> > Give me a gun, micrometer, calipers, height gauge and I will re-create
> > those files in a day.
> > What is the difference between thick walled tubing and a barrel?
> > Is a file that gives the design for a trigger or hammer going to be
> > outlawed.
> > But what if you make cap guns...  Squire guns... airsoft or paint ball
> > guns
> > And are they going to outlaw just certain gun part files or combinations
> > of files this seems totally impossible to outlaw.
> >
> >
>
> It seems like people think anyone can go buy a $90 entry level 3D
> printer and crank out a fully functional weapon instantly. Well,
> something for stabbing could be done in one print. I have to assume that
> everyone who is freaking out has never seen a real 3D printer.
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[AFMUG] OT 3d printing and guns

[chuck]

I had all of the 3D files for an AR-15 years ago.  
Widely available for download.  
Easy to send to a 3D printer or a CNC milling machine.  

The news is hyping this as something new.  I’ll bet those files I downloaded 
are at least 10 years old.
Give me a gun, micrometer, calipers, height gauge and I will re-create those 
files in a day.  

What is the difference between thick walled tubing and a barrel?
Is a file that gives the design for a trigger or hammer going to be outlawed.  
But what if you make cap guns...  Squire guns... airsoft or paint ball guns

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Re: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy

[chuck]

I wish I had the luxury of time.  They have a network of base stations out 
here, not sure if there is a cost for obtaining real time correction data for 
post processing or not.  I even have some decent RTK GNSS sub systems laying 
around here.  Maybe I will spin one.  

From: Gerard Dupont III 
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 6:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy

Chuck, 

I built a system using a couple of raspberry pi's. It worked well once I was 
able to very accurately determine the base station location using another GNSS 
system. I was able to obtain cm accuracy in real time and sub cm with post 
processing.

I used NEO-M8T GPS boards from 
https://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=228. 
I used rtklib software and instructions/software from 
https://rtklibexplorer.wordpress.com/ and 
https://github.com/Francklin2/RTKLIB_Touchscreen_GUI

I think my biggest take away from that project was make sure your base station 
location is as accurate as possible. If it's not, you will never get a good 
fix. 

In the end, someone moved my base station antenna and robbed the pi's for 
something else before I put it into production.

Gerard

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need a survey stick with as much accuracy as I can get for the dollar.  
Last time I bought one of these it was over $10K and had to use post 
correction.  Surly there is a better deal in the past 10 years.

  Map grade accuracy is good enough for me.  Sub 1 meter.  Like to have the 
stick with the antenna on top.  Like to post correct.  Just not sure what is 
the latest out there.



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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Dave]

A! STOP! IT MAKE MY HEAD HURT!


On 08/01/2018 07:36 AM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
I agree, it can become a maintenance nightmare.  It is not so much 
installing it and getting it up and running but moving to new 
revisions of windows and exchange, We got rid of all of our hosted 
services and put them on O365, Best decision we made.  Not to mention 
the licensing is not cheap either, once you add in the cost of Windows 
and Exchange and CALs, Spam software...  Don't forget backups..


Erich Kaiser




On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Ryan Ray > wrote:


I've built out 30k mailbox exchange implementations and honestly,
unless you have someone to keep up on the patches / maintenance
it's probably easier and cheaper to just use office 365.

To do exchange properly, you're going to need a spam appliance of
some sort, a couple load balancing appliances (f5).

You don't really move your virtual machine DC or Exchange VM's.
You have DAG groups with copies of your mailbox databases on
multiple servers with cheap spinning storage. You should never
snapshot an exchange machine, or a DC.

Fill out your requirements on here

https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/office/Exchange-2013-Server-Role-f8a61780


and see what comes up.

Of course you can also do exchange improperly / non high
available, one server, one proxy server, if you lose it though,
your email stops. So this really comes down to how resilient you
would like your email to be.





On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain
Controller.  Our thoughts are to buy a used box like this...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500-12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=650987938542&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&_from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0



with 48GB.  They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA
drives and establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured
we might as well.  Although, in reality, I like the idea of an
SSD drive for speed purposes, but have not used them in a RAID
1 config.  Not sure if this box would support that.

Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty
loaded but could be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange
VM over to it (IF we do a VM).  So, might be good to do this
box as a ProxMox VM also.

So, looking for someone who can put this software install
together for us for a reasonable price.

If you know somebody...

Paul, PDMNet

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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Paul McCall]

Since we already own office for all users, the $ 5 per month per user for 50GB 
boxes isn’t so bad.

We are considering that… still working our options

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via AF
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Mike Hammett 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

365 gets really expensive really quick.


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From: "Ryan Ray" mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted
I've built out 30k mailbox exchange implementations and honestly, unless you 
have someone to keep up on the patches / maintenance it's probably easier and 
cheaper to just use office 365.

To do exchange properly, you're going to need a spam appliance of some sort, a 
couple load balancing appliances (f5).

You don't really move your virtual machine DC or Exchange VM's. You have DAG 
groups with copies of your mailbox databases on multiple servers with cheap 
spinning storage. You should never snapshot an exchange machine, or a DC.

Fill out your requirements on here 
https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/office/Exchange-2013-Server-Role-f8a61780 
and see what comes up.

Of course you can also do exchange improperly / non high available, one server, 
one proxy server, if you lose it though, your email stops. So this really comes 
down to how resilient you would like your email to be.





On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain Controller.  Our 
thoughts are to buy a used box like this...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500-12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=650987938542&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&_from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0

with 48GB.  They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA drives and 
establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured we might as well.  Although, 
in reality, I like the idea of an SSD drive for speed purposes, but have not 
used them in a RAID 1 config.  Not sure if this box would support that.

Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty loaded but could 
be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange VM over to it (IF we do a VM).  
So, might be good to do this box as a ProxMox VM also.

So, looking for someone who can put this software install together for us for a 
reasonable price.

If you know somebody...

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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Erich Kaiser]

I agree, it can become a maintenance nightmare.  It is not so much
installing it and getting it up and running but moving to new revisions of
windows and exchange, We got rid of all of our hosted services and put them
on O365, Best decision we made.  Not to mention the licensing is not cheap
either, once you add in the cost of Windows and Exchange and CALs, Spam
software...  Don't forget backups..

Erich Kaiser




On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I've built out 30k mailbox exchange implementations and honestly, unless
> you have someone to keep up on the patches / maintenance it's probably
> easier and cheaper to just use office 365.
>
> To do exchange properly, you're going to need a spam appliance of some
> sort, a couple load balancing appliances (f5).
>
> You don't really move your virtual machine DC or Exchange VM's. You have
> DAG groups with copies of your mailbox databases on multiple servers with
> cheap spinning storage. You should never snapshot an exchange machine, or a
> DC.
>
> Fill out your requirements on here https://gallery.technet.
> microsoft.com/office/Exchange-2013-Server-Role-f8a61780 and see what
> comes up.
>
> Of course you can also do exchange improperly / non high available, one
> server, one proxy server, if you lose it though, your email stops. So this
> really comes down to how resilient you would like your email to be.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain
>> Controller.  Our thoughts are to buy a used box like this...
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500
>> -12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=
>> item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=65098793854
>> 2&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&
>> _from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0
>>
>> with 48GB.  They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA drives and
>> establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured we might as well.
>> Although, in reality, I like the idea of an SSD drive for speed purposes,
>> but have not used them in a RAID 1 config.  Not sure if this box would
>> support that.
>>
>> Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty loaded but
>> could be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange VM over to it (IF we do
>> a VM).  So, might be good to do this box as a ProxMox VM also.
>>
>> So, looking for someone who can put this software install together for us
>> for a reasonable price.
>>
>> If you know somebody...
>>
>> Paul, PDMNet
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Re: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy

[Gerard Dupont III]

Chuck,

I built a system using a couple of raspberry pi's. It worked well once I
was able to very accurately determine the base station location using
another GNSS system. I was able to obtain cm accuracy in real time and sub
cm with post processing.

I used NEO-M8T GPS boards from
https://www.csgshop.com/product.php?id_product=228.
I used rtklib software and instructions/software from
https://rtklibexplorer.wordpress.com/ and
https://github.com/Francklin2/RTKLIB_Touchscreen_GUI

I think my biggest take away from that project was make sure your base
station location is as accurate as possible. If it's not, you will never
get a good fix.

In the end, someone moved my base station antenna and robbed the pi's for
something else before I put it into production.

Gerard

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need a survey stick with as much accuracy as I can get for the dollar.
> Last time I bought one of these it was over $10K and had to use post
> correction.  Surly there is a better deal in the past 10 years.
>
> Map grade accuracy is good enough for me.  Sub 1 meter.  Like to have the
> stick with the antenna on top.  Like to post correct.  Just not sure what
> is the latest out there.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Mike Hammett via AF]

365 gets really expensive really quick. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ryan Ray"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted 


I've built out 30k mailbox exchange implementations and honestly, unless you 
have someone to keep up on the patches / maintenance it's probably easier and 
cheaper to just use office 365. 


To do exchange properly, you're going to need a spam appliance of some sort, a 
couple load balancing appliances (f5). 


You don't really move your virtual machine DC or Exchange VM's. You have DAG 
groups with copies of your mailbox databases on multiple servers with cheap 
spinning storage. You should never snapshot an exchange machine, or a DC. 


Fill out your requirements on here 
https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/office/Exchange-2013-Server-Role-f8a61780 
and see what comes up. 


Of course you can also do exchange improperly / non high available, one server, 
one proxy server, if you lose it though, your email stops. So this really comes 
down to how resilient you would like your email to be. 










On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 


We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain Controller. Our 
thoughts are to buy a used box like this... 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500-12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=650987938542&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&_from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0
 

with 48GB. They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA drives and 
establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured we might as well. Although, 
in reality, I like the idea of an SSD drive for speed purposes, but have not 
used them in a RAID 1 config. Not sure if this box would support that. 

Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty loaded but could 
be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange VM over to it (IF we do a VM). So, 
might be good to do this box as a ProxMox VM also. 

So, looking for someone who can put this software install together for us for a 
reasonable price. 

If you know somebody... 

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Re: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy

[Jaime Solorza]

Makes one wonder how Chaco Canyon alignment was done without this
technology? Good article but sales oriented

Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 9:35 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> This article may help you Chuck.
>
>
>
> https://eos-gnss.com/high-accuracy-data-collection-for-beginners/
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 12:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy
>
>
>
> Wow those are some serious prices.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:50 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy
>
>
>
> Check out Javad.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Chuck McCown 
>
> Date: 7/31/18 10:45 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS GNSS Accuracy
>
>
>
> I need a survey stick with as much accuracy as I can get for the dollar.
> Last time I bought one of these it was over $10K and had to use post
> correction.  Surly there is a better deal in the past 10 years.
>
>
>
> Map grade accuracy is good enough for me.  Sub 1 meter.  Like to have the
> stick with the antenna on top.  Like to post correct.  Just not sure what
> is the latest out there.
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Re: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

[Dennis Burgess]

Shoot me a call, its just time to load it up and configure it.  Etc.  Simple as 
that..   As far as software, I can get you quotes.. 


Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Exchange Domain Controller expert wanted

We are looking to subcontract a new build of Exchange / Domain Controller.  Our 
thoughts are to buy a used box like this...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Build-Your-Own-Dell-Precision-T7500-12-Core-3-06GHz-X5675-No-OS-Wholesale/382099411087?hash=item58f6e6508f%3Am%3AmoWAAapWvQJ0VWFy5npBnFQ=650987938542&_sop=15&_sacat=0&_nkw=dell+precision+t7500+%2212-core%22&_from=R40=nc_TitleDesc=0%7C0

with 48GB.  They charge a whopping $ 60 to put in dual TB SATA drives and 
establish the mirror (RAID 1) for you, so figured we might as well.  Although, 
in reality, I like the idea of an SSD drive for speed purposes, but have not 
used them in a RAID 1 config.  Not sure if this box would support that.  

Thinking of redundancy, we have a couple ProxMox boxes (pretty loaded but could 
be used in a pinch to move the DC / Exchange VM over to it (IF we do a VM).  
So, might be good to do this box as a ProxMox VM also.

So, looking for someone who can put this software install together for us for a 
reasonable price.

If you know somebody...

Paul, PDMNet

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