Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Jaime Solorza]

Welcome

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 5:16 PM Ken Hohhof  Thank you.
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> Breakfast...Picadillo, eggs, beans and hash browns...
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Re: [AFMUG] Ralph Breaks the Internet

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yep.

I've got tickets with my family for tomorrow afternoon.

I'll give review here tomorrow if I remember.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 5:22 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ralph Breaks the Internet

So is there really a movie opening tomorrow by that name?  And I assume it's 
Ralph from Wreck-It Ralph (which was hilarious)?

Seems like this might be required viewing.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Jay Weekley]

Much better.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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[AFMUG] Ralph Breaks the Internet

[Ken Hohhof]

So is there really a movie opening tomorrow by that name?  And I assume it's
Ralph from Wreck-It Ralph (which was hilarious)?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Ken Hohhof]

Thank you.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 5:56 PM
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Breakfast...Picadillo, eggs, beans and hash browns...

 

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 11:05 AM Christopher Gray mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>  wrote:

I hadn't seen any food pictures in a while, so I figured I'd share. 

 

My wife wasn't around for lunch, so I made my own. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa acquired by Airspan

[Mike Hammett]

Airspan is doing a lot of small cell stuff. 




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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 5:11:24 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa acquired by Airspan 


Not sure what to think of this news. I haven't heard much about Airspan in 
years, and actually wasn't even aware that they were still in business. Didn't 
hear many good reviews on their gear back in the day. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Looks better than some of what I've been eating the last couple weeks
(Europe trip).  I'm  thankfully back in north America now, and back in my
own bed hopefully in time for thanksgiving.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 11:05 AM Christopher Gray  I hadn't seen any food pictures in a while, so I figured I'd share.
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[AFMUG] Mimosa acquired by Airspan

[Jason McKemie]

Not sure what to think of this news.  I haven't heard much about Airspan in
years, and actually wasn't even aware that they were still in business.
Didn't hear many good reviews on their gear back in the day.
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Re: [AFMUG] WTF Splice Tray

[Adam Moffett]

About 5x too many?
I didn't see it in person.  But in the photo I think I see 10 buffer 
tubes, plus a bunch of transfer tubing.  I counted 60 splice sleeves, 
but I can't be sure.



On 11/20/2018 4:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

damn how many strands are in there?

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:39 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


A friend encountered this in the wild.  I think it makes a great
cautionary tale about losing control of the splice enclosure.
Whoever this is will never have the wherewithal to disconnect
everyone long enough to fix it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Mathew Howard]

I was half expecting to see a can of dog food... that looks like a fine
lunch.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 2:02 PM part15  wrote:

> I think I just developed diabetes.
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> Jaime needs to post a picture of some real food ASAP so my eyes can unsee
> that.
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> Beat me to the green joke.
> Just be careful with the crumbs getting into the keyboard (aka
> "leftovers").
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Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

[Adam Moffett]

Thanks!

On 11/20/2018 1:10 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
We are selling Rodeo.  It's been a bumpy road but mostly working well 
now. The contact you want is Frank Befera f.bef...@rodeonetworka.com 
.



On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 11:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:


Does anyone have a contact for Rodeo Networks about their IP TV
thing?
I picked up a business card at WISP America, but can't find it now.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[part15]

I think I just developed diabetes. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
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 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch Jaime needs to post a picture 
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November 20, 2018 12:16 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - 
LunchBeat me to the green joke.Just be careful with the crumbs getting into the 
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Timothy Steele]

you should use the Google Maps real world Gaming API and make installing
the CPE/SM Like playing a video game haha

https://cloud.google.com/maps-platform/gaming/

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:15 PM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> I remember tower coverage doing this but whenever I install the app it
> uninstalls its self on android
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> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:11 PM Gino A. Villarini 
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>> And include building data to determine LOS?
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>> TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS
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>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?
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>> Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea
>> is for the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest
>> towers.
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>> We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the
>> LOS calculations.
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>>
>> Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not
>> include it.
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>>
>> Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the
>> data we need.
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Brian Webster]

Here is a copy of the link to use in Google Earth for the National Land Cover 
Dataset (NLCD). This is just raster data with the clutter classes color coded. 
There is no height information and there is no specific building data. The 
resolution for this data set is 30 meters square per classification. You may be 
able to turn on the 3D building layer in Google Earth and try to examine a path 
that way. I haven’t played with that in a long time so not sure if the 
buildings show up in the profile cross section view.

 

One of the easier ways to accomplish this would be to get the building data 
with not only the outlines, but the height information as well. You could then 
merge that data with the elevation information files and use that data within 
Radio Mobile. Buildings would then show up as part of the path profile along 
with the clutter data. The buildings would then be considered the same as 
ground terrain. Hardest part is getting a data set with building heights. There 
are commercial sources to purchase the building data, non in the public domain 
that I would consider good quality. 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Spitler
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 1:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

 

DigitalGlobe did something with Rise last year: 
https://www.risebroadband.com/2017/05/digitalglobe-provide-elevation-data-rise-broadband/

We got a quote from them but it was quite high for us (something like 10s of 
thousands of dollars for decent resolution).

Nearmap has a 3D product now that's cheaper (sub 10k), but still a bit pricey. 
Doubt they have coverage in PR, though.

We were using USGS LIDAR flattened into a DSM that worked wonderfully, but the 
data was from 2010 and showing its age. The city of San Francisco had a DSM 
from 2014 they were kind enough to share and are hopefully getting one for 2018.

Looks like USGS has LIDAR clouds for PR from 2015 though I don't know how 
useful that will be these days: https://apps.nationalmap.gov/download/

On 11/20/18 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

And include building data to determine LOS? 

 

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TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS location 
to do a path analysis.  J  

 

 

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From: AF    On Behalf 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

 

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

 

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

 

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include 
it. 

 

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Ken Hohhof]

Jaime needs to post a picture of some real food ASAP so my eyes can unsee
that.

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Beat me to the green joke.
Just be careful with the crumbs getting into the keyboard (aka "leftovers").

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:12 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
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> Happy to see you are getting your greens.
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> bp
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> On 11/20/2018 10:03 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Mercedes-Benz Metris Cargo Van

[Nate Burke]

What problems were you seeing with the Sprinters?  I'm about to roll 80k 
miles on one, and after a bunch of exhaust problems in the first 15k 
miles, all fixed under warranty, it's just been humming along. The 
Mercedes techs at the dealership say the only issues they see with them 
are exhaust/EPA Related, and regularly see vans with 200k or 300k miles.


On 11/20/2018 12:34 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Oh crap, we didn't have a small promaster. It was a Ford transit 
connect. That slurred my memory. That thing was junk. Maybe they are 
better now. I think we bought the second year model made.


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 9:27 AM Mark Radabaugh > wrote:


The Ram Promasters (full size) have been good to us - have 3 that
have been pretty trouble free.   The first one (about 4 years old
now) had some initial wiring issues but has settled down.   The
two Ford’s Transit (full size) have been good as well.

The 3 Mercedes vans (the old Dodge Sprinters, etc.) ended up being
complete pieces of shit and are all gone from the fleet.  The
diesels and drivetrain had nothing but problems - engines,
transmissions, and driveline. Mercedes didn’t have a clue how to
fix them and just threw expensive parts and billed you for them
even when it didn’t fix the issues.   Never buying any of their
crap again.

Mark


On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Darin Steffl
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

Does anyone have the Metris cargo van in their fleet? We have had
the WORST issues with our Ram ProMaster City's and they're
complete junk. They've both been in the shop more than 30 days
cumulative each over the last 3 years so they're gone.

I wish Toyota would bring their Proace over to the US as they're
the most reliable brand known to man and we've never had trouble.
Ram on the other hand is junk...

So hopefully someone has some insight into the MB Metris cargo
van? The specs show they're larger and have more cargo space than
the Promaster city, transit connect, nv200, etc. so that would be
nice. It does require Premium fuel though which sucks.

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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Dan Spitler]

DigitalGlobe did something with Rise last year: 
https://www.risebroadband.com/2017/05/digitalglobe-provide-elevation-data-rise-broadband/


We got a quote from them but it was quite high for us (something like 
10s of thousands of dollars for decent resolution).


Nearmap has a 3D product now that's cheaper (sub 10k), but still a bit 
pricey. Doubt they have coverage in PR, though.


We were using USGS LIDAR flattened into a DSM that worked wonderfully, 
but the data was from 2010 and showing its age. The city of San 
Francisco had a DSM from 2014 they were kind enough to share and are 
hopefully getting one for 2018.


Looks like USGS has LIDAR clouds for PR from 2015 though I don't know 
how useful that will be these days: https://apps.nationalmap.gov/download/


On 11/20/18 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


And include building data to determine LOS?

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TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS 
location to do a path analysis. J


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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the 
idea is for the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to 
the nearest towers.


We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in 
the LOS calculations.


Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not 
include it.


Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the 
data we need.


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Re: [AFMUG] Mercedes-Benz Metris Cargo Van

[Lewis Bergman]

Oh crap, we didn't have a small promaster. It was a Ford transit connect.
That slurred my memory. That thing was junk. Maybe they are better now. I
think we bought the second year model made.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 9:27 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> The Ram Promasters (full size) have been good to us - have 3 that have
> been pretty trouble free.   The first one (about 4 years old now) had some
> initial wiring issues but has settled down.   The two Ford’s Transit (full
> size) have been good as well.
>
> The 3 Mercedes vans (the old Dodge Sprinters, etc.) ended up being
> complete pieces of shit and are all gone from the fleet.  The diesels and
> drivetrain had nothing but problems - engines, transmissions, and
> driveline.   Mercedes didn’t have a clue how to fix them and just threw
> expensive parts and billed you for them even when it didn’t fix the issues.
>   Never buying any of their crap again.
>
> Mark
>
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the Metris cargo van in their fleet? We have had the
> WORST issues with our Ram ProMaster City's and they're complete junk.
> They've both been in the shop more than 30 days cumulative each over the
> last 3 years so they're gone.
>
> I wish Toyota would bring their Proace over to the US as they're the most
> reliable brand known to man and we've never had trouble. Ram on the other
> hand is junk...
>
> So hopefully someone has some insight into the MB Metris cargo van? The
> specs show they're larger and have more cargo space than the Promaster
> city, transit connect, nv200, etc. so that would be nice. It does require
> Premium fuel though which sucks.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Josh Luthman]

Jesus...that keyboard...


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On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Andrew Haninger  wrote:

> Beat me to the green joke.
> Just be careful with the crumbs getting into the keyboard (aka
> "leftovers").
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:12 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > Happy to see you are getting your greens.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 11/20/2018 10:03 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
> >
> > I hadn't seen any food pictures in a while, so I figured I'd share.
> >
> > My wife wasn't around for lunch, so I made my own.
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Its not a app, it’s just the Mobil version, TowerCoverage on a app is not used 
anymore.  No point with the mobile version.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

I remember tower coverage doing this but whenever I install the app it 
uninstalls its self on android

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:11 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
And include building data to determine LOS?


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS location 
to do a path analysis.  ☺


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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www.towercoverage.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include it.

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need.

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[Andrew Haninger]

Beat me to the green joke.
Just be careful with the crumbs getting into the keyboard (aka "leftovers").

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:12 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Happy to see you are getting your greens.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/20/2018 10:03 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:
>
> I hadn't seen any food pictures in a while, so I figured I'd share.
>
> My wife wasn't around for lunch, so I made my own.
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Timothy Steele]

I remember tower coverage doing this but whenever I install the app it
uninstalls its self on android

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:11 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> And include building data to determine LOS?
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
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> *From: *AF  on behalf of Dennis Burgess via AF <
> af@af.afmug.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc: *Dennis Burgess 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?
>
>
>
> TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS
> location to do a path analysis.  J
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?
>
>
>
> Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is
> for the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest
> towers.
>
>
>
> We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the
> LOS calculations.
>
>
>
> Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not
> include it.
>
>
>
> Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the
> data we need.
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143
> m:
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Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

[Chris Fabien]

We are selling Rodeo.  It's been a bumpy road but mostly working well now.
The contact you want is Frank Befera f.bef...@rodeonetworka.com.


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 11:33 AM Adam Moffett  Does anyone have a contact for Rodeo Networks about their IP TV thing?
> I picked up a business card at WISP America, but can't find it now.
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Gino A. Villarini]

And include building data to determine LOS?


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From: AF  on behalf of Dennis Burgess via AF 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS location 
to do a path analysis.  ☺


Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include it.

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need.

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143
m:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

[chuck]

CARBS!!! NOO

From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Lunch

I hadn't seen any food pictures in a while, so I figured I'd share.  

My wife wasn't around for lunch, so I made my own. 



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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS location 
to do a path analysis.  ☺


Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include it.

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need.

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143
m:
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Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

[Adam Moffett]

I emailed Michael Coles earlier today just to double check. :)
So yeah I'm all for another look.


On 11/20/2018 12:10 PM, Layne Sisk wrote:

Adam,
We should chat again, we have substantially increased our footprint for 
Layer 2.  We can get to just about everyone now at a pretty reasonable price!

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!


On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At WISP America the Rodeo rep was insistent that it's allowed, but it was an 
uphill battle to get it accepted.  I think he said they had to pay for testing 
to prove the encryption was sufficient.

If I'm putting it all on the table, I really liked what Real Choice had to say, 
but I can't easily get a layer2 connection to them.



On 11/20/2018 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am still wondering how the content providers allow them to transmit on the 
public internet.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

Does anyone have a contact for Rodeo Networks about their IP TV thing?
I picked up a business card at WISP America, but can't find it now.




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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Timothy Steele]

someone already made this ligowave or  Different or whoever they sold to

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.fspin.willibox_source=newsletter_medium=email_term=2014-09-05_campaign=Latest+news+from+LigoWave

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:40 PM Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is
> for the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest
> towers.
>
>
>
> We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the
> LOS calculations.
>
>
>
> Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not
> include it.
>
>
>
> Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the
> data we need.
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143
> m:
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[chuck]

Does GE account for it when doing a path profile?

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

 

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

 

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include 
it. 

 

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need. 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 
m: 
 
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[AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the idea is for 
the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to the nearest towers.

We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in the LOS 
calculations.

Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not include it.

Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the data we 
need.

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143
m:
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Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

[Layne Sisk]

Adam,
   We should chat again, we have substantially increased our footprint for 
Layer 2.  We can get to just about everyone now at a pretty reasonable price!

-Layne
Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing 
auto-corrects!

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> At WISP America the Rodeo rep was insistent that it's allowed, but it was an 
> uphill battle to get it accepted.  I think he said they had to pay for 
> testing to prove the encryption was sufficient.
> 
> If I'm putting it all on the table, I really liked what Real Choice had to 
> say, but I can't easily get a layer2 connection to them.
> 
> 
>> On 11/20/2018 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I am still wondering how the content providers allow them to transmit on the 
>> public internet.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:32 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV
>> 
>> Does anyone have a contact for Rodeo Networks about their IP TV thing?
>> I picked up a business card at WISP America, but can't find it now.
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[chuck]

What would it cost a WISP to implement this for 100 customers?

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Ken, I will answer some of these.  I have been using Calix now since 201, 844E 
since maybe 2016 and here is what I know about your answers.  (Could be wrong)

 

CC+ is basically dead, you would not start with that anymore.  I have it now 
and I am moving to Support Cloud.  From what I understand is that CC+ was 
mostly a third party software that Calix could only do so much with.  They 
wanted to add features and change things but they were not able to fully 
customize the software.  This is why they created Support Cloud (I was told 
this is completely their own I think)

 

So DME Support Cloud is basically what CC+ is or was, it can do auto 
setup/firmware/change ssid/see connected devices/do manual channel scans.  
Think of it as everything you would need for your front staff to easily config 
and change stuff.

 

The biggest difference that I see in EME is what I have always wanted in CC+.  
They integrated their NETFLOW analyzer into EME so you can see real time what a 
customers is doing through the 844E router.  I believe they also record it for 
a few months so when Billy calls in the next day, your front staff can say his 
internet was slow last night because it looks like the XBOX chewed through 
100GB of data at 9PM.  The other main feature is I think you can set it to do 
once a day wifi scans and auto change the channels to mitigate interference.  

 

I hope that helps,  I am up to 500 844E routers now with 2 failures, one was 
fried, other 2.4Ghz quit.  Best router I have ever used.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

Cory, thanks for the info.  I think a forum like this one is helpful when 
dealing with smaller operators like WISPs, you get some leverage by 
communicating with a bunch of us simultaneously, rather than having to answer 
the same questions over and over.

 

1)  When you say Support Cloud is your next Gen product set that replaces CC+, 
how should we interpret that?  Is Consumer Connect deprecated and we should 
only be looking at EME/DME?  Or is Support Cloud something you are moving 
toward in some future timeframe but we should still think in terms of using CC+ 
today and migrating in the future?

 

2)  Not sure I follow the distinction between EME and DME.  Is this just an 
upgrade, like you could start out on DME, and later decide if you want to 
upgrade at a higher per sub per month rate and get the additional features?  Or 
is this more of a decision that you make upfront?

 

3)  Do we need to deploy any servers in our network to use the 844E and take 
advantage of all the features, or is this all a cloud service available from 
Calix for a fee?  I was assuming the latter, but I’m not clear on this point.

 

4)  Do we need to integrate with other billing/operations systems like 
Powercode or Sonar, or can this be done manually via the Calix cloud services?

 

5)  With DME, do customers get a web portal where they can view analytics and 
make config changes like port forwarding and QoS for their devices?  I could 
only find information on the embedded web interface in the 844E itself, and 
that is very basic stuff, not competitive with what customers get with a 
Netgear Nighthawk or a Google WiFi system, so not going to impress anyone.

 

6)  With the direct sales model and cloud management, there are some signup 
steps needed to even be able to order some eval units and try them out.  Are 
there other barriers to getting started, like minimum volume commitments?  
Basically, anything that says if you’re not going to use at least X of these 
total or per year, Calix is not the right solution for you?  Fiber operators 
are in a different situation, if they are building out to 1,000 locations and 
expect a 50% take rate, they are going to need 500 routers because every 
customer is getting one, just like a cable operator where every customer gets a 
residential or business gateway that also acts as the cable modem.  Whereas a 
WISP faces a decision whether to require that every customer get one and absorb 
the cost, or to offer it as an optional upgrade and charge a fee for the 
additional performance and features.  Also what to do with existing customers 
who may have a customer owned router or another brand of leased/managed router 
like a Mikrotik or Cambium or TP-Link.  If we go the route of optional upgrade, 
then we are only guessing at the take rate.  That will also depend on 
demographics and pricing.  My customer base tilts toward miserly and low tech, 
and the more tech savvy and upscale customers like to shop for their own tech 
toys.  That said, if we decided to 

Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Ken, I will answer some of these.  I have been using Calix now since 201, 844E 
since maybe 2016 and here is what I know about your answers.  (Could be wrong)

CC+ is basically dead, you would not start with that anymore.  I have it now 
and I am moving to Support Cloud.  From what I understand is that CC+ was 
mostly a third party software that Calix could only do so much with.  They 
wanted to add features and change things but they were not able to fully 
customize the software.  This is why they created Support Cloud (I was told 
this is completely their own I think)

So DME Support Cloud is basically what CC+ is or was, it can do auto 
setup/firmware/change ssid/see connected devices/do manual channel scans.  
Think of it as everything you would need for your front staff to easily config 
and change stuff.

The biggest difference that I see in EME is what I have always wanted in CC+.  
They integrated their NETFLOW analyzer into EME so you can see real time what a 
customers is doing through the 844E router.  I believe they also record it for 
a few months so when Billy calls in the next day, your front staff can say his 
internet was slow last night because it looks like the XBOX chewed through 
100GB of data at 9PM.  The other main feature is I think you can set it to do 
once a day wifi scans and auto change the channels to mitigate interference.

I hope that helps,  I am up to 500 844E routers now with 2 failures, one was 
fried, other 2.4Ghz quit.  Best router I have ever used.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Cory, thanks for the info.  I think a forum like this one is helpful when 
dealing with smaller operators like WISPs, you get some leverage by 
communicating with a bunch of us simultaneously, rather than having to answer 
the same questions over and over.

1)  When you say Support Cloud is your next Gen product set that replaces CC+, 
how should we interpret that?  Is Consumer Connect deprecated and we should 
only be looking at EME/DME?  Or is Support Cloud something you are moving 
toward in some future timeframe but we should still think in terms of using CC+ 
today and migrating in the future?

2)  Not sure I follow the distinction between EME and DME.  Is this just an 
upgrade, like you could start out on DME, and later decide if you want to 
upgrade at a higher per sub per month rate and get the additional features?  Or 
is this more of a decision that you make upfront?

3)  Do we need to deploy any servers in our network to use the 844E and take 
advantage of all the features, or is this all a cloud service available from 
Calix for a fee?  I was assuming the latter, but I’m not clear on this point.

4)  Do we need to integrate with other billing/operations systems like 
Powercode or Sonar, or can this be done manually via the Calix cloud services?

5)  With DME, do customers get a web portal where they can view analytics and 
make config changes like port forwarding and QoS for their devices?  I could 
only find information on the embedded web interface in the 844E itself, and 
that is very basic stuff, not competitive with what customers get with a 
Netgear Nighthawk or a Google WiFi system, so not going to impress anyone.

6)  With the direct sales model and cloud management, there are some signup 
steps needed to even be able to order some eval units and try them out.  Are 
there other barriers to getting started, like minimum volume commitments?  
Basically, anything that says if you’re not going to use at least X of these 
total or per year, Calix is not the right solution for you?  Fiber operators 
are in a different situation, if they are building out to 1,000 locations and 
expect a 50% take rate, they are going to need 500 routers because every 
customer is getting one, just like a cable operator where every customer gets a 
residential or business gateway that also acts as the cable modem.  Whereas a 
WISP faces a decision whether to require that every customer get one and absorb 
the cost, or to offer it as an optional upgrade and charge a fee for the 
additional performance and features.  Also what to do with existing customers 
who may have a customer owned router or another brand of leased/managed router 
like a Mikrotik or Cambium or TP-Link.  If we go the route of optional upgrade, 
then we are only guessing at the take rate.  That will also depend on 
demographics and pricing.  My customer base tilts toward miserly and low tech, 
and the more tech savvy and upscale customers like to shop for their own tech 
toys.  That said, if we decided to eat the cost and offer a free 844E and 804 
Mesh units as needed, few people are going to turn down fancy free stuff.  
(Sorry, that question rambled a bit.  Or a lot.)




From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cory Polman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

[Adam Moffett]

At WISP America the Rodeo rep was insistent that it's allowed, but it 
was an uphill battle to get it accepted.  I think he said they had to 
pay for testing to prove the encryption was sufficient.


If I'm putting it all on the table, I really liked what Real Choice had 
to say, but I can't easily get a layer2 connection to them.



On 11/20/2018 11:39 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am still wondering how the content providers allow them to transmit 
on the public internet.


-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:32 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo IP TV

Does anyone have a contact for Rodeo Networks about their IP TV thing?
I picked up a business card at WISP America, but can't find it now.





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Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[chuck]

844E and the ancillary programs that support its use.  

From: Cory Polman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

We could do that…on support cloud correct?

 

 

Cory Polman-Calix

612-360-1426-Cell

cory.pol...@calix.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

Do a webinar for us.

 

From: Cory Polman 

Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:04 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

Morning Ken & All!

 

I’m trying to follow all the questions…so I’ll do my best.  Let me know where I 
can help and we’ll see what we can do to help plug the holes.  Sometimes there 
is a lot of info on the Calix site and it can be hard to locate too…make sure 
you have a log in to get to the engineering documentation.  

 

So on the Cloud/CC+ side.  Think of Support Cloud as our next Gen product set.  
So it replaces CC+.  However, there are two flavors of Support cloud – EME 
(Experience Management Addition) and DME (Device Management).  So DME is = CC+ 
with some new features and functionality.  If I recall the pricing is in line 
with CC+.  EME is the upgraded version, with Smart Check/flow per sub/tie into 
the billing system…. Call avoidance reports…etc.  Anyway, we can give you a 
demo of both so you can compare and see.  EME has some really great features 
especially if you have nontechnical folks/of after hour call support desk 
taking calls.  Both the cloud tools support TR 69, some TR 181/TR 98 as well 
based upon what device your using for a GTWY/Router….with the 804/844E/G/GE we 
can get some really great analytics, but other devices we can pull some of that 
info from as well.

 

As far as set up…its very straight forward on both the 844E and 804/Cloud 
items.  We’ll help walk you through and get things going. If you want some help 
on the marketing materials for managed wifi we have been helping folks with 
Marketing Consultations as well.  Below is a link with some videos/info from 
folks on here as well.  

 

Lastly – Let me know how I can help/where you are at and I’ll be sure to get a 
call set up.  I’d be happy to help heard our folks if they are not getting back 
to you.  Just let me know.  

 

My contact info is below…Cory

 

https://www.calix.com/solutions/service-providers/wisps.html

 

https://www.calix.com/platforms/calix_cloud.html

 

 

 

 

Cory Polman-Calix

612-360-1426-Cell

cory.pol...@calix.com

 

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 8:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

I should add that I talked to Mike Carpinelli at WISPAmerica in March 2016 and 
he has been returning my emails and had actually set up a time for a 
conference.  But as I plowed through all the documentation on the Calix site, I 
couldn’t find any of the basic information most vendors give you, basically a 
getting started guide.  What are you  going to need, a step-by-step guide to 
hooking it all up, and screenshots of the GUI that your people will see, and 
that your customers will see.

 

Furthermore, from the discussion here, it seems even WISPs that are using Calix 
products aren’t clear on Calix Cloud vs Consumer Connect, are they the same 
thing, are they different.  It seems like one is too expensive, and the other 
has the secret sauce and without it you’re missing half the features.  Or maybe 
they are different names for the same thing.  Very confusing.

 

Originally I thought I just needed to order a handful of devices for lab  and 
beta testing, and that we’d learn through the hands-on experience.  But I 
backed off when I found the documentation wasn’t telling me any of the things I 
needed to know.  Clearly just getting some devices in my hands wasn’t going to 
resolve the knowledge gap, if I was finding the documentation totally unhelpful.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

Cory is about as official as it gets.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:28 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

I would love to see "official" answers.  I'm looking at routers and managed 
WiFi for an FTTH build passing around 10,000 households.  I haven't made any 
commitments yet, so I'd be willing to talk about Calix.

On 11/19/2018 6:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Actually this is the beginning.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:50 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  

Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[Cory Polman]

We could do that…on support cloud correct?


Cory Polman-Calix
612-360-1426-Cell
cory.pol...@calix.com






From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Do a webinar for us.

From: Cory Polman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Morning Ken & All!

I’m trying to follow all the questions…so I’ll do my best.  Let me know where I 
can help and we’ll see what we can do to help plug the holes.  Sometimes there 
is a lot of info on the Calix site and it can be hard to locate too…make sure 
you have a log in to get to the engineering documentation.

So on the Cloud/CC+ side.  Think of Support Cloud as our next Gen product set.  
So it replaces CC+.  However, there are two flavors of Support cloud – EME 
(Experience Management Addition) and DME (Device Management).  So DME is = CC+ 
with some new features and functionality.  If I recall the pricing is in line 
with CC+.  EME is the upgraded version, with Smart Check/flow per sub/tie into 
the billing system…. Call avoidance reports…etc.  Anyway, we can give you a 
demo of both so you can compare and see.  EME has some really great features 
especially if you have nontechnical folks/of after hour call support desk 
taking calls.  Both the cloud tools support TR 69, some TR 181/TR 98 as well 
based upon what device your using for a GTWY/Router….with the 804/844E/G/GE we 
can get some really great analytics, but other devices we can pull some of that 
info from as well.

As far as set up…its very straight forward on both the 844E and 804/Cloud 
items.  We’ll help walk you through and get things going. If you want some help 
on the marketing materials for managed wifi we have been helping folks with 
Marketing Consultations as well.  Below is a link with some videos/info from 
folks on here as well.

Lastly – Let me know how I can help/where you are at and I’ll be sure to get a 
call set up.  I’d be happy to help heard our folks if they are not getting back 
to you.  Just let me know.

My contact info is below…Cory

https://www.calix.com/solutions/service-providers/wisps.html

https://www.calix.com/platforms/calix_cloud.html




Cory Polman-Calix
612-360-1426-Cell
cory.pol...@calix.com




From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 8:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

I should add that I talked to Mike Carpinelli at WISPAmerica in March 2016 and 
he has been returning my emails and had actually set up a time for a 
conference.  But as I plowed through all the documentation on the Calix site, I 
couldn’t find any of the basic information most vendors give you, basically a 
getting started guide.  What are you  going to need, a step-by-step guide to 
hooking it all up, and screenshots of the GUI that your people will see, and 
that your customers will see.

Furthermore, from the discussion here, it seems even WISPs that are using Calix 
products aren’t clear on Calix Cloud vs Consumer Connect, are they the same 
thing, are they different.  It seems like one is too expensive, and the other 
has the secret sauce and without it you’re missing half the features.  Or maybe 
they are different names for the same thing.  Very confusing.

Originally I thought I just needed to order a handful of devices for lab  and 
beta testing, and that we’d learn through the hands-on experience.  But I 
backed off when I found the documentation wasn’t telling me any of the things I 
needed to know.  Clearly just getting some devices in my hands wasn’t going to 
resolve the knowledge gap, if I was finding the documentation totally unhelpful.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Cory is about as official as it gets.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

I would love to see "official" answers.  I'm looking at routers and managed 
WiFi for an FTTH build passing around 10,000 households.  I haven't made any 
commitments yet, so I'd be willing to talk about Calix.
On 11/19/2018 6:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Actually this is the beginning.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

For those of you who’ve successfully deployed Calix:

Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[chuck]

Do a webinar for us.

From: Cory Polman 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Morning Ken & All!

 

I’m trying to follow all the questions…so I’ll do my best.  Let me know where I 
can help and we’ll see what we can do to help plug the holes.  Sometimes there 
is a lot of info on the Calix site and it can be hard to locate too…make sure 
you have a log in to get to the engineering documentation.  

 

So on the Cloud/CC+ side.  Think of Support Cloud as our next Gen product set.  
So it replaces CC+.  However, there are two flavors of Support cloud – EME 
(Experience Management Addition) and DME (Device Management).  So DME is = CC+ 
with some new features and functionality.  If I recall the pricing is in line 
with CC+.  EME is the upgraded version, with Smart Check/flow per sub/tie into 
the billing system…. Call avoidance reports…etc.  Anyway, we can give you a 
demo of both so you can compare and see.  EME has some really great features 
especially if you have nontechnical folks/of after hour call support desk 
taking calls.  Both the cloud tools support TR 69, some TR 181/TR 98 as well 
based upon what device your using for a GTWY/Router….with the 804/844E/G/GE we 
can get some really great analytics, but other devices we can pull some of that 
info from as well.

 

As far as set up…its very straight forward on both the 844E and 804/Cloud 
items.  We’ll help walk you through and get things going. If you want some help 
on the marketing materials for managed wifi we have been helping folks with 
Marketing Consultations as well.  Below is a link with some videos/info from 
folks on here as well.  

 

Lastly – Let me know how I can help/where you are at and I’ll be sure to get a 
call set up.  I’d be happy to help heard our folks if they are not getting back 
to you.  Just let me know.  

 

My contact info is below…Cory

 

https://www.calix.com/solutions/service-providers/wisps.html

 

https://www.calix.com/platforms/calix_cloud.html

 

 

 

 

Cory Polman-Calix

612-360-1426-Cell

cory.pol...@calix.com

 

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 8:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

I should add that I talked to Mike Carpinelli at WISPAmerica in March 2016 and 
he has been returning my emails and had actually set up a time for a 
conference.  But as I plowed through all the documentation on the Calix site, I 
couldn’t find any of the basic information most vendors give you, basically a 
getting started guide.  What are you  going to need, a step-by-step guide to 
hooking it all up, and screenshots of the GUI that your people will see, and 
that your customers will see.

 

Furthermore, from the discussion here, it seems even WISPs that are using Calix 
products aren’t clear on Calix Cloud vs Consumer Connect, are they the same 
thing, are they different.  It seems like one is too expensive, and the other 
has the secret sauce and without it you’re missing half the features.  Or maybe 
they are different names for the same thing.  Very confusing.

 

Originally I thought I just needed to order a handful of devices for lab  and 
beta testing, and that we’d learn through the hands-on experience.  But I 
backed off when I found the documentation wasn’t telling me any of the things I 
needed to know.  Clearly just getting some devices in my hands wasn’t going to 
resolve the knowledge gap, if I was finding the documentation totally unhelpful.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

Cory is about as official as it gets.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:28 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

 

I would love to see "official" answers.  I'm looking at routers and managed 
WiFi for an FTTH build passing around 10,000 households.  I haven't made any 
commitments yet, so I'd be willing to talk about Calix.

On 11/19/2018 6:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Actually this is the beginning.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:50 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

   

  For those of you who’ve successfully deployed Calix:

   

  I’ve been wanting to do something with the 844E and 804 since WISPAmerica 2.5 
years ago, but I feel like I’m at the starting line of a marathon with my feet 
stuck in buckets full of concrete.

   

  Calix has tons of documentation, and after reading it, I feel about 1% 
smarter.  I don’t know what the end user or a tech sees as an interface for 
analytics and troubleshooting and tweaking settings.  I don’t know if you can 

Re: [AFMUG] Mercedes-Benz Metris Cargo Van

[Mark Radabaugh]

The Ram Promasters (full size) have been good to us - have 3 that have been 
pretty trouble free.   The first one (about 4 years old now) had some initial 
wiring issues but has settled down.   The two Ford’s Transit (full size) have 
been good as well.

The 3 Mercedes vans (the old Dodge Sprinters, etc.) ended up being complete 
pieces of shit and are all gone from the fleet.  The diesels and drivetrain had 
nothing but problems - engines, transmissions, and driveline.   Mercedes didn’t 
have a clue how to fix them and just threw expensive parts and billed you for 
them even when it didn’t fix the issues.   Never buying any of their crap again.

Mark

> On Nov 20, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have the Metris cargo van in their fleet? We have had the WORST 
> issues with our Ram ProMaster City's and they're complete junk. They've both 
> been in the shop more than 30 days cumulative each over the last 3 years so 
> they're gone.
> 
> I wish Toyota would bring their Proace over to the US as they're the most 
> reliable brand known to man and we've never had trouble. Ram on the other 
> hand is junk...
> 
> So hopefully someone has some insight into the MB Metris cargo van? The specs 
> show they're larger and have more cargo space than the Promaster city, 
> transit connect, nv200, etc. so that would be nice. It does require Premium 
> fuel though which sucks.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Mercedes-Benz Metris Cargo Van

[Nate Burke]

I test drove a metris (passenger) last year, it would continually shift 
gears, but drove OK.  Driving around the Chicago metro, I see Lots of 
work vans on the road.  I hardly see any Metris vans.  I don't know 
why.  Without keeping an exact count, of the small style van, it seems 
that the most common is Ford, 2nd is Ram.


On 11/20/2018 8:30 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Does anyone have the Metris cargo van in their fleet? We have had the 
WORST issues with our Ram ProMaster City's and they're complete junk. 
They've both been in the shop more than 30 days cumulative each over 
the last 3 years so they're gone.


I wish Toyota would bring their Proace over to the US as they're the 
most reliable brand known to man and we've never had trouble. Ram on 
the other hand is junk...


So hopefully someone has some insight into the MB Metris cargo van? 
The specs show they're larger and have more cargo space than the 
Promaster city, transit connect, nv200, etc. so that would be nice. It 
does require Premium fuel though which sucks.


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Re: [AFMUG] Mercedes-Benz Metris Cargo Van

[Lewis Bergman]

I think it is important to draw a distinction between the Promaster series
and the Promaster City. I had a city and got rid of it at 65000 miles.
Mainly because it was too small with to low clearance but it did break down
more often than anything I had before.

I have two Promaster series full size and other than one recall we haven't
done anything other than change oil.

I know you are talking about the smaller ones, just clarifying. We are 200
miles from a Mercedes dealer so I have never had experience with them.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 8:32 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Does anyone have the Metris cargo van in their fleet? We have had the
> WORST issues with our Ram ProMaster City's and they're complete junk.
> They've both been in the shop more than 30 days cumulative each over the
> last 3 years so they're gone.
>
> I wish Toyota would bring their Proace over to the US as they're the most
> reliable brand known to man and we've never had trouble. Ram on the other
> hand is junk...
>
> So hopefully someone has some insight into the MB Metris cargo van? The
> specs show they're larger and have more cargo space than the Promaster
> city, transit connect, nv200, etc. so that would be nice. It does require
> Premium fuel though which sucks.
>
>
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> Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[Cory Polman]

Morning Ken & All!

I’m trying to follow all the questions…so I’ll do my best.  Let me know where I 
can help and we’ll see what we can do to help plug the holes.  Sometimes there 
is a lot of info on the Calix site and it can be hard to locate too…make sure 
you have a log in to get to the engineering documentation.

So on the Cloud/CC+ side.  Think of Support Cloud as our next Gen product set.  
So it replaces CC+.  However, there are two flavors of Support cloud – EME 
(Experience Management Addition) and DME (Device Management).  So DME is = CC+ 
with some new features and functionality.  If I recall the pricing is in line 
with CC+.  EME is the upgraded version, with Smart Check/flow per sub/tie into 
the billing system…. Call avoidance reports…etc.  Anyway, we can give you a 
demo of both so you can compare and see.  EME has some really great features 
especially if you have nontechnical folks/of after hour call support desk 
taking calls.  Both the cloud tools support TR 69, some TR 181/TR 98 as well 
based upon what device your using for a GTWY/Router….with the 804/844E/G/GE we 
can get some really great analytics, but other devices we can pull some of that 
info from as well.

As far as set up…its very straight forward on both the 844E and 804/Cloud 
items.  We’ll help walk you through and get things going. If you want some help 
on the marketing materials for managed wifi we have been helping folks with 
Marketing Consultations as well.  Below is a link with some videos/info from 
folks on here as well.

Lastly – Let me know how I can help/where you are at and I’ll be sure to get a 
call set up.  I’d be happy to help heard our folks if they are not getting back 
to you.  Just let me know.

My contact info is below…Cory

https://www.calix.com/solutions/service-providers/wisps.html

https://www.calix.com/platforms/calix_cloud.html




Cory Polman-Calix
612-360-1426-Cell
cory.pol...@calix.com




From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 8:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

I should add that I talked to Mike Carpinelli at WISPAmerica in March 2016 and 
he has been returning my emails and had actually set up a time for a 
conference.  But as I plowed through all the documentation on the Calix site, I 
couldn’t find any of the basic information most vendors give you, basically a 
getting started guide.  What are you  going to need, a step-by-step guide to 
hooking it all up, and screenshots of the GUI that your people will see, and 
that your customers will see.

Furthermore, from the discussion here, it seems even WISPs that are using Calix 
products aren’t clear on Calix Cloud vs Consumer Connect, are they the same 
thing, are they different.  It seems like one is too expensive, and the other 
has the secret sauce and without it you’re missing half the features.  Or maybe 
they are different names for the same thing.  Very confusing.

Originally I thought I just needed to order a handful of devices for lab  and 
beta testing, and that we’d learn through the hands-on experience.  But I 
backed off when I found the documentation wasn’t telling me any of the things I 
needed to know.  Clearly just getting some devices in my hands wasn’t going to 
resolve the knowledge gap, if I was finding the documentation totally unhelpful.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

Cory is about as official as it gets.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

I would love to see "official" answers.  I'm looking at routers and managed 
WiFi for an FTTH build passing around 10,000 households.  I haven't made any 
commitments yet, so I'd be willing to talk about Calix.
On 11/19/2018 6:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Actually this is the beginning.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 8:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

For those of you who’ve successfully deployed Calix:

I’ve been wanting to do something with the 844E and 804 since WISPAmerica 2.5 
years ago, but I feel like I’m at the starting line of a marathon with my feet 
stuck in buckets full of concrete.

Calix has tons of documentation, and after reading it, I feel about 1% smarter. 
 I don’t know what the end user or a tech sees as an interface for analytics 
and troubleshooting and tweaking settings.  I don’t know if you can do a 
standalone implementation with just the Calix Cloud and some Gigacenters and 
Mesh units, I get the impression you  need to mess with APIs and tie 

[AFMUG] Mercedes-Benz Metris Cargo Van

[Darin Steffl]

Does anyone have the Metris cargo van in their fleet? We have had the WORST
issues with our Ram ProMaster City's and they're complete junk. They've
both been in the shop more than 30 days cumulative each over the last 3
years so they're gone.

I wish Toyota would bring their Proace over to the US as they're the most
reliable brand known to man and we've never had trouble. Ram on the other
hand is junk...

So hopefully someone has some insight into the MB Metris cargo van? The
specs show they're larger and have more cargo space than the Promaster
city, transit connect, nv200, etc. so that would be nice. It does require
Premium fuel though which sucks.

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Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix Gigacenters - how difficult to implement?

[Chris Fabien]

The SR400ac has mesh wifi feature now using a second one as a wired AP. Not
quite the same as the calix wireless mesh extender though.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 11:36 PM Charles Boening  +1
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> We went with SmartRG back when it was ClearAccess (just over 10 years
> now).  IMO they have the nicest ACS out there.  Couple that with their new
> analytics  and it’s a nice win.
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> We are deploying the SR555ac  as a
> single device for Ethernet, xDSL and bonded xDSL.
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> I just wish SmartRG had a nice whole home wireless setup.  Something where
> we could deploy range extenders or whole home wireless that worked with the
> router to keep SSID and security in sync.  I heard they were coming out
> with something this year but haven’t seen it yet.
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>
>
> SmartRG is looking at TR-143 for FCC testing.  They say they should have
> something in Q2 2019.
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chris Fabien
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> Ken
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> We evaluated about 8 routers a couple years ago wanting a solid managed
> wifi offering. Calix GigaCenter 844E and SmartRG  SR400AC were standouts
> from the rest of the lot which included cambium, ready net, ignitenet and a
> few consumer routers for comparison. Between the two the 844E had slightly
> higher 5ghz speeds but the 2.4 range was better on SmartRG.
>
>
>
> Ultimately we decided smartrg was a better fit for us from how they priced
> the management platform and also the Calix required a DHCP option to set a
> provisioning URL which our powercode BMU was unable to provide. So that
> broke the zero touch config. SmartRG routers phone home to a redirect
> server and they maintain a list if what MACs were sold to who so your units
> end up in your device manager system without any input from your network.
> Works great.
>
>
>
> Overall we are happy with them. The Smartrg "home analytics" is TR161
> based where it logs wifi signal and usage info from each device in the
> home. The Calix solution was more of a traffic analysis system to sort
> usage by application. I am not sure if it ties that to a device or not.
> Essentially when the customer calls up asking why was Netflix buffering
> last night, SmartRG gives you the info to say, dads laptop with a poor wifi
> signal was doing some kind of large transfer and hogging all the Wifi
> airtime, while calix gives you the answer, some device was doing a windows
> update and hogging all the bandwidth. At least that was my take on it 2
> years ago.
>
>
>
> I've also found the SmartRG people more accessible to work with. Calix had
> a serious superiority complex attitude problem. That extended to their
> pricing. Actually the 844E was very competitive but anything with GPON in
> it they priced as if it were solid gold. It's like they do not realize GPON
> is 15? Years old technology and should be a commodity priced thing like
> gigabit ethernet switches. Calix GPON doesnt work any faster than my cheap
> chinese GPON stuff although there are some bells and whistles you don't get
> with ZTE. However my customers dont pay me extra for the GPON shelf having
> bells and whistles.
>
>
>
> So, that's how we ended up with ZTE GPON and SmartRG router behind it.
> Although SmartRG is supposedly releasing a SR900? Which has an SFP WAN port
> with several options for wan interface ( GPON, AE BiDi, VDSL, gigE)
>
>
>
> Hope that's helpful info
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 9:25 PM Ken Hohhof 
> I should add that I talked to Mike Carpinelli at WISPAmerica in March 2016
> and he has been returning my emails and had actually set up a time for a
> conference.  But as I plowed through all the documentation on the Calix
> site, I couldn’t find any of the basic information most vendors give you,
> basically a getting started guide.  What are you  going to need, a
> step-by-step guide to hooking it all up, and screenshots of the GUI that
> your people will see, and that your customers will see.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, from the discussion here, it seems even WISPs that are using
> Calix products aren’t clear on Calix Cloud vs Consumer Connect, are they
> the same thing, are they different.  It seems like one is too expensive,
> and the other has the secret sauce and without it you’re missing half the
> features.  Or maybe they are different names for the same thing.