Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Yes, it works. The open space district field workers use it all
  the time. You can get it in pharmacies around here.


bp



On 8/6/2019 6:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu
  that claims to remove the oil from poison ivy/oak if you use
  it right away.  Can anyone verify?
 
Unfortunately you would have to buy it
  ahead of time and have it with you, along with running cool
  water.  Kind of like the products they sell at pet stores to
  get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s great if you buy it
  before the actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and
  also have a hose.
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Craig House]

It does work. I use it frequently 


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From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 8:40:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tecnu 

The best skunk on dog remedy is a blend of hydrogen peroxide (the strongest you 
can get at the drugsore) and baking soda. Mixed on the dog. Chemically 
denatures the stink. 
I think for poison ivy/oak, a mental treatment may be more effective. Weed is 
legal in Illinois now, right? 
From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 7:21 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] tecnu 


There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the oil from 
poison ivy/oak if you use it right away. Can anyone verify? 



Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with you, 
along with running cool water. Kind of like the products they sell at pet 
stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s great if you buy it before the 
actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and also have a hose. 



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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Jeremy]

After reading the reviews on Walgreen's website, I just ordered some.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The best skunk on dog remedy is a blend of hydrogen peroxide (the
> strongest you can get at the drugsore) and baking soda.  Mixed on the dog.
> Chemically denatures the stink.
>
> I think for poison ivy/oak, a mental treatment may be more effective.
> Weed is legal in Illinois now, right?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 06, 2019 7:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] tecnu
>
>
> There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the oil
> from poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?
>
>
>
> Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with you,
> along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products they sell at pet
> stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s great if you buy it before
> the actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and also have a hose.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

It works.  I've used it many times.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 8:22 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] tecnu

There's a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the oil from 
poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?

Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with you, 
along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products they sell at pet 
stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it's great if you buy it before the 
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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Chuck McCown]

The best skunk on dog remedy is a blend of hydrogen peroxide (the strongest you 
can get at the drugsore) and baking soda.  Mixed on the dog.  Chemically 
denatures the stink.  

I think for poison ivy/oak, a mental treatment may be more effective.  Weed is 
legal in Illinois now, right?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 7:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] tecnu

There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the oil from 
poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?

 

Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with you, 
along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products they sell at pet 
stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s great if you buy it before the 
actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and also have a hose.




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[AFMUG] tecnu

[Ken Hohhof]

There's a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the oil from
poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?

 

Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with you,
along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products they sell at pet
stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it's great if you buy it before
the actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and also have a hose.

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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Ken Hohhof]

FYI, the people on the Internet who say hot water, almost hot enough to burn, 
will make the itching go away for a few hours.  Feels like getting tazed while 
you’re doing it, and may actually not be a smart thing to do, but it can keep 
you from scratching it, temporarily.

 

Supposedly it is an allergic reaction, so maybe some people are more sensitive 
than others.  Also supposedly subsequent bouts will hit faster.  That’s part of 
the problem, unless you know how to recognize the plant, you may not know you 
got into it for a day or so.  Then unlike a bug bite, it gets worse and worse 
and worse.

 

Like they say, leaves of three, let it be.  If you look at the photos on the 
web, it’s pretty easy to recognize.  The stuff I encountered is just like they 
say, plants on the ground and vines growing up the north side of a tree.  
Poison ivy / brush killer from the store killed it, but supposedly even dead it 
has the urushiol, plus it will grow back, and if you burn it the smoke is 
dangerous.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 7:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I used to get poison ivy every year when I was a kid in Illinois. One year when 
I was around 9 or 10, my brother and I must have found a patch that gave us a 
miserable case of it for at least a couple of weeks. I never got it again while 
I lived in Illinois, or when we moved to Minnesota when I was a teenager.

 

Moved to California after college, and there is no poison ivy out here, but 
poison oak. It's essentially the same stuff. A similar leaf, but a different 
plant configuration. The same Urushiol oil. I'd lived in CA for about 8 years, 
and never got the stuff.

 

I got into a motorcycle accident and the bike went plowing through a giant 
patch of PO (short name for poison oak). I tore off my leather jacket and 
headed down the hill after the bike. Meanwhile, my girlfriend at the time (now 
my wife, bless her heart) tells me "Don't go through there it's all PO!" I 
ignore her, and shout back "I don't get that stuff."

 

Well, I had ruptured my spleen. Many hours later, I went under the knife to get 
that taken care of. The next morning, I had several little round patches of PO 
wherever they had stuck a monitor patch of any kind. They gave me a tube of 
cortisone to take care of it. It did not get "bad", but I still got it.

 

I've had occasional bouts with it over the years. As long as I'm reasonably 
careful, and wash it off within an hour or two, it almost never amounts to 
anything. I don't get a giant rash or anything; just a little redness that goes 
away in a day or so & no "big itch".

 

That said, for people who are sensitive, it can be really nasty.

 




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On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I’m 68 and I encountered poison ivy for the first time in my life this year.  
Jeez Louise, that’s nasty stuff.  It took 3 weeks to mostly clear up.

 

Be careful.  Just touching the outside of the Tyvek or the gloves and you’re 
still screwed.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I put on white Tyvek and HD nitrile gloves to clear a patch of poison oak 
behind the water tanks the other day. It was only about 80 or 85, but I was 
dying out there. When I pulled the gloves off, it seemed like there was a pint 
of water in each one.

 

bp

 

On 8/6/2019 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

The most real work I ever do is to:

Steam Clean

Sandblast

Survey

 

A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It was 109 outside.  I had 
on white tyvek but I thought it was gonna kill me.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in pm, and now getting close 
to Tecate time. 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look 
quite yummy.

 

But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not just 
metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with eating like 
that.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I wish I had your metabolism!

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] This is what I h

Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Bill Prince]

I used to get poison ivy every year when I was a kid in Illinois. One year
when I was around 9 or 10, my brother and I must have found a patch that
gave us a miserable case of it for at least a couple of weeks. I never got
it again while I lived in Illinois, or when we moved to Minnesota when I
was a teenager.

Moved to California after college, and there is no poison ivy out here, but
poison oak. It's essentially the same stuff. A similar leaf, but a
different plant configuration. The same Urushiol oil. I'd lived in CA for
about 8 years, and never got the stuff.

I got into a motorcycle accident and the bike went plowing through a giant
patch of PO (short name for poison oak). I tore off my leather jacket and
headed down the hill after the bike. Meanwhile, my girlfriend at the time
(now my wife, bless her heart) tells me "Don't go through there it's all
PO!" I ignore her, and shout back "I don't get that stuff."

Well, I had ruptured my spleen. Many hours later, I went under the knife to
get that taken care of. The next morning, I had several little round
patches of PO wherever they had stuck a monitor patch of any kind. They
gave me a tube of cortisone to take care of it. It did not get "bad", but I
still got it.

I've had occasional bouts with it over the years. As long as I'm reasonably
careful, and wash it off within an hour or two, it almost never amounts to
anything. I don't get a giant rash or anything; just a little redness that
goes away in a day or so & no "big itch".

That said, for people who are sensitive, it can be really nasty.


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On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’m 68 and I encountered poison ivy for the first time in my life this
> year.  Jeez Louise, that’s nasty stuff.  It took 3 weeks to mostly clear up.
>
>
>
> Be careful.  Just touching the outside of the Tyvek or the gloves and
> you’re still screwed.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:56 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>
>
>
> I put on white Tyvek and HD nitrile gloves to clear a patch of poison oak
> behind the water tanks the other day. It was only about 80 or 85, but I was
> dying out there. When I pulled the gloves off, it seemed like there was a
> pint of water in each one.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 8/6/2019 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> The most real work I ever do is to:
>
> Steam Clean
>
> Sandblast
>
> Survey
>
>
>
> A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It was 109 outside.  I
> had on white tyvek but I thought it was gonna kill me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>
>
>
> Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in pm, and now getting
> close to Tecate time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look
> quite yummy.
>
>
>
> But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not
> just metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with
> eating like that.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>
>
>
> I wish I had your metabolism!
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>
>
>
> Enjoy
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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Chuck McCown]

Once upon a time, before HIPPA, I was at the Drs office.  

A nurse was on the phone with a new bride.  She been camping and her groom went 
outside to see a man about a horse.  Somehow he got poison ivy on his hands, 
his unit and shortly thereafter inside his new wife...  

She was not happy, I could clearly hear both sides of the conversation 
including the things she was saying to her husband.  

The nurse was in tears suppressing her laughter.  

It still makes me smile when I think about it.  Poor girl.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 6:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

I’m 68 and I encountered poison ivy for the first time in my life this year.  
Jeez Louise, that’s nasty stuff.  It took 3 weeks to mostly clear up.

 

Be careful.  Just touching the outside of the Tyvek or the gloves and you’re 
still screwed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I put on white Tyvek and HD nitrile gloves to clear a patch of poison oak 
behind the water tanks the other day. It was only about 80 or 85, but I was 
dying out there. When I pulled the gloves off, it seemed like there was a pint 
of water in each one.

 

bp On 8/6/2019 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  The most real work I ever do is to:

  Steam Clean

  Sandblast

  Survey

   

  A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It was 109 outside.  I 
had on white tyvek but I thought it was gonna kill me.  

   

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

   

  Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in pm, and now getting 
close to Tecate time. 

   

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look 
quite yummy.

 

But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not 
just metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with eating 
like that.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I wish I had your metabolism!

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m 68 and I encountered poison ivy for the first time in my life this year.  
Jeez Louise, that’s nasty stuff.  It took 3 weeks to mostly clear up.

 

Be careful.  Just touching the outside of the Tyvek or the gloves and you’re 
still screwed.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I put on white Tyvek and HD nitrile gloves to clear a patch of poison oak 
behind the water tanks the other day. It was only about 80 or 85, but I was 
dying out there. When I pulled the gloves off, it seemed like there was a pint 
of water in each one.

 

bp

 

On 8/6/2019 3:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

The most real work I ever do is to:

Steam Clean

Sandblast

Survey

 

A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It was 109 outside.  I had 
on white tyvek but I thought it was gonna kill me.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in pm, and now getting close 
to Tecate time. 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look 
quite yummy.

 

But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not just 
metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with eating like 
that.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I wish I had your metabolism!

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

Enjoy


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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Is that a relleno and an enchilada?

I like good rellenos, but I'm finding that they're oddly inconsistent in
quality from place to place.

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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Jaime Solorza]

Not familiar with tyvek...I use white T-shirts (hot weather ones for
fishing) , shemaghs and bandanas and lots of water...we have had 100
plus days almost all summer...I try to get all outside work done early...

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 4:25 PM  wrote:

> The most real work I ever do is to:
> Steam Clean
> Sandblast
> Survey
>
> A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It was 109 outside.  I
> had on white tyvek but I thought it was gonna kill me.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>
> Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in pm, and now getting
> close to Tecate time.
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both
>> look quite yummy.
>>
>>
>>
>> But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not
>> just metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with
>> eating like that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish I had your metabolism!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't
>>
>>
>>
>> Enjoy
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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I put on white Tyvek and HD nitrile gloves to clear a patch of
  poison oak behind the water tanks the other day. It was only about
  80 or 85, but I was dying out there. When I pulled the gloves off,
  it seemed like there was a pint of water in each one.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  The most real work I ever do is to:
  Steam Clean
  Sandblast
  Survey
   
  A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It
was 109 outside.  I had on white tyvek but I thought it was
gonna kill me.  
  

   
  
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for
  lunch and you didn't
  

 
  
  
Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in
  pm, and now getting close to Tecate time. 
 

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2019,
2:01 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:
  
  

  
I could afford to eat maybe the
  taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look quite
  yummy.
 
But since his selfies usually
  show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not just
  metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could
  probably get away with eating like that.
 
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had
  for lunch and you didn't
  

 

  

  I wish I had your
  metabolism!


  

   


  
From: Jaime Solorza 
  
  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6,
2019 1:44 PM
  
  
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group 
  
  
Subject: [AFMUG] This is what
I had for lunch and you didn't
  

  
  
 
  


  
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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[chuck]

The most real work I ever do is to:
Steam Clean
Sandblast
Survey

A couple of days ago I spent an hour sandblasting.  It was 109 outside.  I had 
on white tyvek but I thought it was gonna kill me.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 4:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

Yep.  Tower work in am, nice lunch, relay testing in pm, and now getting close 
to Tecate time. 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look 
quite yummy.



  But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not just 
metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with eating like 
that.





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  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't



  I wish I had your metabolism!



  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[David Coudron]

Corrected, we did get it.   Found it in Junk Mail.   Sounds like that was the 
right place for it 😊

Regards,

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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

We didn't.

We just got the CBRS message yesterday.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

Did anyone else get a survey from Cambium this morning that seems to think that 
we're all Huge corporations that are sitting in a conference room deciding if 
we're going to recommend Cambium to our golfing buddies?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[Jay Weekley]

I wanted the $500.

Ken Hohhof wrote:

My thoughts exactly.

I got a few questions in and was so insulted I abandoned the survey.


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Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

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Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Not for long...


bp



On 8/6/2019 1:17 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  Is there such a time as 24:00?
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid
  

 
  
  

  OK, that makes sense.
   
  Like I’m never sure if midnight is
0:00 or 24:00.
   
   
  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Sean
Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid
   
  
sounds like a good plan ken.

   


  one note, in aviation north is
always 36 or 360 (instead of 0). 

  
   
  

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM
Ken Hohhof 
wrote:


  

  As a non
pilot, I learned something today from the 
Internet.  Airports sometimes have to renumber
runways when the local magnetic field changes.
   
  Those numbers
are the compass bearing to the nearest 10
degrees.  So runway 22R would be oriented at 220
degrees, the R designating the right runway of a
pair of parallel runways.
   
  I was
thinking that would a way to number AP sectors,
instead of what we do now, which is clockwise
starting at AP1 being north.  We could have AP0,
9, 18 and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But
then if the magnetic field of the earth shifted,
we’d have to renumber.
   
   

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[Jerry Head]

Yep.

On 8/6/2019 3:04 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Did anyone else get a survey from Cambium this morning that seems to 
think that we're all Huge corporations that are sitting in a 
conference room deciding if we're going to recommend Cambium to our 
golfing buddies?





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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[David Coudron]

We didn't.

We just got the CBRS message yesterday.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[Ken Hohhof]

My thoughts exactly.

I got a few questions in and was so insulted I abandoned the survey.


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To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Survey

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Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[chuck]

Is there such a time as 24:00?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:11 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

OK, that makes sense.

 

Like I’m never sure if midnight is 0:00 or 24:00.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

 

sounds like a good plan ken.

 

one note, in aviation north is always 36 or 360 (instead of 0). 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  As a non pilot, I learned something today from the  Internet.  Airports 
sometimes have to renumber runways when the local magnetic field changes.

   

  Those numbers are the compass bearing to the nearest 10 degrees.  So runway 
22R would be oriented at 220 degrees, the R designating the right runway of a 
pair of parallel runways.

   

  I was thinking that would a way to number AP sectors, instead of what we do 
now, which is clockwise starting at AP1 being north.  We could have AP0, 9, 18 
and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But then if the magnetic field of the 
earth shifted, we’d have to renumber.

   

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Mike Hammett]

Is that different than getting sauced at the horse track? 




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From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:10:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


We used to get our horsey sauce at the stables. 

bp
 
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But if you can get Horsey Sauce at McDonalds you have that option. 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:20 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 



I think it’s unusual to have a multi-week blackout of CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox. 

And the AT&T UVerse service was already way too expensive, the channel lineup 
was padded with almost entirely crap channels, and the Internet was 
ridiculously slow for the price. Even their phone service is way overpriced. 

Maybe people with satellite TV have only DISH as an alternative. Or they could 
get off their lazy ass and wire up an old fashioned antenna and use streaming 
for the rest. In my case I have 2 cable providers to switch to, and I’m going 
on my third or fourth week of seeing that annoying screen about poor, poor AT&T 
being the victim because CBS wants to charge more, and telling me to use 
Locast. Sorry, AT&T finally overcame my inertia. Every month I can’t believe 
how much I pay them for how little I get, the CBS thing is the straw that broke 
the camel’s back. 

This is like Arbys having a dispute with their supplier of little packets of 
Arbys and Horsey Sauce, so they give you a sad note instead of sauce, with 
suggestions of other places you could go for sauce. You didn’t really like 
Arbys anyway, so you just stop going there. I mean, you’d better be pretty 
confident in your customer loyalty or lack of competition to piss off your 
customers over a few pennies. Unless your margins are really that thing, which 
I assure you, is not the case with AT&T. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:02 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


I meant to say that there's always something major missing on some major 
provider. 



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From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 

You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider. 



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From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:53:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 
AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS. 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers. IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks? This is 
not my problem to fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix. I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway. In either case, 
I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet, and I get CBS without 
some streaming workaround. 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this. It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


Not that I saw. 



On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions? 






From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 




I tried it out on my Roku. Works well. 








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Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[Bill Prince]

  
  
You could always use true bearing. That does not change much, or
  at least very often.
  

bp



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  Yep, locally we used to have a 34 and now we have a 35.
   
  The runway is 346 magnetic 359 true.  
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid
  

 
  
  

  As a non pilot, I learned something
today from the  Internet.  Airports sometimes have to
renumber runways when the local magnetic field changes.
   
  Those numbers are the compass bearing
to the nearest 10 degrees.  So runway 22R would be
oriented at 220 degrees, the R designating the right
runway of a pair of parallel runways.
   
  I was thinking that would a way to
number AP sectors, instead of what we do now, which is
clockwise starting at AP1 being north.  We could have
AP0, 9, 18 and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But
then if the magnetic field of the earth shifted, we’d
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Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, that makes sense.

 

Like I’m never sure if midnight is 0:00 or 24:00.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

 

sounds like a good plan ken.

 

one note, in aviation north is always 36 or 360 (instead of 0). 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

As a non pilot, I learned something today from the  Internet.  Airports 
sometimes have to renumber runways when the local magnetic field changes.

 

Those numbers are the compass bearing to the nearest 10 degrees.  So runway 22R 
would be oriented at 220 degrees, the R designating the right runway of a pair 
of parallel runways.

 

I was thinking that would a way to number AP sectors, instead of what we do 
now, which is clockwise starting at AP1 being north.  We could have AP0, 9, 18 
and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But then if the magnetic field of the 
earth shifted, we’d have to renumber.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We used to get our horsey sauce at the stables.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  

  But if you can get Horsey Sauce at McDonalds you have
that option.  
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:20 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux
  

 
  
  

  I think it’s unusual to have a
multi-week blackout of CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox.
   
  And the AT&T UVerse service was
already way too expensive, the channel lineup was padded
with almost entirely crap channels, and the Internet was
ridiculously slow for the price.  Even their phone
service is way overpriced.
   
  Maybe people with satellite TV have
only DISH as an alternative.  Or they could get off
their lazy ass and wire up an old fashioned antenna and
use streaming for the rest.  In my case I have 2 cable
providers to switch to, and I’m going on my third or
fourth week of seeing that annoying screen about poor,
poor AT&T being the victim because CBS wants to
charge more, and telling me to use Locast.  Sorry,
AT&T finally overcame my inertia.  Every month I
can’t believe how much I pay them for how little I get,
the CBS thing is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
   
  This is like Arbys having a dispute
with their supplier of little packets of Arbys and
Horsey Sauce, so they give you a sad note instead of
sauce, with suggestions of other places you could go for
sauce.  You didn’t really like Arbys anyway, so you just
stop going there.  I mean, you’d better be pretty
confident in your customer loyalty or lack of
competition to piss off your customers over a few
pennies.  Unless your margins are really that thing,
which I assure you, is not the case with AT&T.
   
   
  

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Mike
Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

  
   
  
I meant
to say that there's always something major missing
on some major provider.

  
  
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  Internet Exchange

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  From:
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  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux
  
You
do realize that the same thing happens to every
single TV provider, right? Comcast, Charter,
AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's
always some major network on some major TV
provider.

  
  
  -
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  Computing Solutions

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  Internet Exchange

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  Brothers WISP

  
  




  

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Ken Hohhof]

Of course, AT&T has not reduced the $8 broadcast TV charge, and will probably 
increase it whenever they settle with CBS.  I’d have to check if they also 
charge a sports recovery fee.  And of course there’s the hardware fee, HD fee, 
DVR fee, etc.  I think the Wowway broadcast fee is actually $10.  I’m not sure 
why AT&T doesn’t just settle and raise the broadcast fee, since it’s a phony 
fee anyway and they can raise it anytime.  But charging me for CBS and then 
telling me to stream CBS via Locast is just wrong.

 

Arbys needs to add a “sauce recovery fee” to their bills.  On top of the 
advertised price.  And whether you use the sauce or not.  I mean, what is 
Horsey Sauce?  Horses?  OK, I know, it’s horseradish sauce.  The real question 
is what’s in the meat.  Again I ask, horses?  We’ve got the meats!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

Charter has gone without WGN for months, possibly years.



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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:20:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

I think it’s unusual to have a multi-week blackout of CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox.

 

And the AT&T UVerse service was already way too expensive, the channel lineup 
was padded with almost entirely crap channels, and the Internet was 
ridiculously slow for the price.  Even their phone service is way overpriced.

 

Maybe people with satellite TV have only DISH as an alternative.  Or they could 
get off their lazy ass and wire up an old fashioned antenna and use streaming 
for the rest.  In my case I have 2 cable providers to switch to, and I’m going 
on my third or fourth week of seeing that annoying screen about poor, poor AT&T 
being the victim because CBS wants to charge more, and telling me to use 
Locast.  Sorry, AT&T finally overcame my inertia.  Every month I can’t believe 
how much I pay them for how little I get, the CBS thing is the straw that broke 
the camel’s back.

 

This is like Arbys having a dispute with their supplier of little packets of 
Arbys and Horsey Sauce, so they give you a sad note instead of sauce, with 
suggestions of other places you could go for sauce.  You didn’t really like 
Arbys anyway, so you just stop going there.  I mean, you’d better be pretty 
confident in your customer loyalty or lack of competition to piss off your 
customers over a few pennies.  Unless your margins are really that thing, which 
I assure you, is not the case with AT&T.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

I meant to say that there's always something major missing on some major 
provider.



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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider.



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[AFMUG] Cambium Survey

[Nate Burke]

Did anyone else get a survey from Cambium this morning that seems to 
think that we're all Huge corporations that are sitting in a conference 
room deciding if we're going to recommend Cambium to our golfing buddies?


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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Ken Hohhof]

I could afford to eat maybe the taco and the rice.  Luckily they both look 
quite yummy.

 

But since his selfies usually show him working or hiking, maybe it’s not just 
metabolism.  If I worked that hard, I could probably get away with eating like 
that.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

I wish I had your metabolism!

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

 

Enjoy

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Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[Sean Heskett]

sounds like a good plan ken.

one note, in aviation north is always 36 or 360 (instead of 0).

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As a non pilot, I learned something today from the  Internet.  Airports
> sometimes have to renumber runways when the local magnetic field changes.
>
>
>
> Those numbers are the compass bearing to the nearest 10 degrees.  So
> runway 22R would be oriented at 220 degrees, the R designating the right
> runway of a pair of parallel runways.
>
>
>
> I was thinking that would a way to number AP sectors, instead of what we
> do now, which is clockwise starting at AP1 being north.  We could have AP0,
> 9, 18 and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But then if the magnetic field
> of the earth shifted, we’d have to renumber.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[chuck]

I wish I had your metabolism!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

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Re: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[chuck]

Yep, locally we used to have a 34 and now we have a 35.

The runway is 346 magnetic 359 true.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

As a non pilot, I learned something today from the  Internet.  Airports 
sometimes have to renumber runways when the local magnetic field changes.

 

Those numbers are the compass bearing to the nearest 10 degrees.  So runway 22R 
would be oriented at 220 degrees, the R designating the right runway of a pair 
of parallel runways.

 

I was thinking that would a way to number AP sectors, instead of what we do 
now, which is clockwise starting at AP1 being north.  We could have AP0, 9, 18 
and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But then if the magnetic field of the 
earth shifted, we’d have to renumber.

 

 




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[AFMUG] compass bearing factoid

[Ken Hohhof]

As a non pilot, I learned something today from the  Internet.  Airports
sometimes have to renumber runways when the local magnetic field changes.

 

Those numbers are the compass bearing to the nearest 10 degrees.  So runway
22R would be oriented at 220 degrees, the R designating the right runway of
a pair of parallel runways.

 

I was thinking that would a way to number AP sectors, instead of what we do
now, which is clockwise starting at AP1 being north.  We could have AP0, 9,
18 and 27.  Or 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 and 30.  But then if the magnetic field of
the earth shifted, we'd have to renumber.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Mike Hammett]

Charter has gone without WGN for months, possibly years. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:20:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 



I think it’s unusual to have a multi-week blackout of CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox. 

And the AT&T UVerse service was already way too expensive, the channel lineup 
was padded with almost entirely crap channels, and the Internet was 
ridiculously slow for the price. Even their phone service is way overpriced. 

Maybe people with satellite TV have only DISH as an alternative. Or they could 
get off their lazy ass and wire up an old fashioned antenna and use streaming 
for the rest. In my case I have 2 cable providers to switch to, and I’m going 
on my third or fourth week of seeing that annoying screen about poor, poor AT&T 
being the victim because CBS wants to charge more, and telling me to use 
Locast. Sorry, AT&T finally overcame my inertia. Every month I can’t believe 
how much I pay them for how little I get, the CBS thing is the straw that broke 
the camel’s back. 

This is like Arbys having a dispute with their supplier of little packets of 
Arbys and Horsey Sauce, so they give you a sad note instead of sauce, with 
suggestions of other places you could go for sauce. You didn’t really like 
Arbys anyway, so you just stop going there. I mean, you’d better be pretty 
confident in your customer loyalty or lack of competition to piss off your 
customers over a few pennies. Unless your margins are really that thing, which 
I assure you, is not the case with AT&T. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:02 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


I meant to say that there's always something major missing on some major 
provider. 



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Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 

You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider. 



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From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:53:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 
AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS. 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers. IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks? This is 
not my problem to fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix. I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway. In either case, 
I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet, and I get CBS without 
some streaming workaround. 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this. It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


Not that I saw. 



On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions? 






From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 




I tried it out on my Roku. Works well. 








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locast.org 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[chuck]

But if you can get Horsey Sauce at McDonalds you have that option.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:20 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

I think it’s unusual to have a multi-week blackout of CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox.

 

And the AT&T UVerse service was already way too expensive, the channel lineup 
was padded with almost entirely crap channels, and the Internet was 
ridiculously slow for the price.  Even their phone service is way overpriced.

 

Maybe people with satellite TV have only DISH as an alternative.  Or they could 
get off their lazy ass and wire up an old fashioned antenna and use streaming 
for the rest.  In my case I have 2 cable providers to switch to, and I’m going 
on my third or fourth week of seeing that annoying screen about poor, poor AT&T 
being the victim because CBS wants to charge more, and telling me to use 
Locast.  Sorry, AT&T finally overcame my inertia.  Every month I can’t believe 
how much I pay them for how little I get, the CBS thing is the straw that broke 
the camel’s back.

 

This is like Arbys having a dispute with their supplier of little packets of 
Arbys and Horsey Sauce, so they give you a sad note instead of sauce, with 
suggestions of other places you could go for sauce.  You didn’t really like 
Arbys anyway, so you just stop going there.  I mean, you’d better be pretty 
confident in your customer loyalty or lack of competition to piss off your 
customers over a few pennies.  Unless your margins are really that thing, which 
I assure you, is not the case with AT&T.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

I meant to say that there's always something major missing on some major 
provider.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:53:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS.

 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers.  IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks?  This is 
not my problem to  fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix.  I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway.  In either 
case, I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet,  and I get CBS 
without some streaming workaround.

 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this.  It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

Not that I saw. 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM  wrote:

  Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions?

   

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

   

  I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.  

   

   

   

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM  wrote:

locast.org

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Ken Hohhof]

I think it’s unusual to have a multi-week blackout of CBS, NBC, ABC or Fox.

 

And the AT&T UVerse service was already way too expensive, the channel lineup 
was padded with almost entirely crap channels, and the Internet was 
ridiculously slow for the price.  Even their phone service is way overpriced.

 

Maybe people with satellite TV have only DISH as an alternative.  Or they could 
get off their lazy ass and wire up an old fashioned antenna and use streaming 
for the rest.  In my case I have 2 cable providers to switch to, and I’m going 
on my third or fourth week of seeing that annoying screen about poor, poor AT&T 
being the victim because CBS wants to charge more, and telling me to use 
Locast.  Sorry, AT&T finally overcame my inertia.  Every month I can’t believe 
how much I pay them for how little I get, the CBS thing is the straw that broke 
the camel’s back.

 

This is like Arbys having a dispute with their supplier of little packets of 
Arbys and Horsey Sauce, so they give you a sad note instead of sauce, with 
suggestions of other places you could go for sauce.  You didn’t really like 
Arbys anyway, so you just stop going there.  I mean, you’d better be pretty 
confident in your customer loyalty or lack of competition to piss off your 
customers over a few pennies.  Unless your margins are really that thing, which 
I assure you, is not the case with AT&T.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

I meant to say that there's always something major missing on some major 
provider.



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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider.



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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:53:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS.

 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers.  IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks?  This is 
not my problem to  fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix.  I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway.  In either 
case, I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet,  and I get CBS 
without some streaming workaround.

 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this.  It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

Not that I saw. 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions?

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.  

 

 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:11 AM mailt

Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Mike Hammett]

I assume people do 24/7 phone support because it's easy and cheap enough to do. 


I did mean residential truck rolls. It doesn't cost much different to have 
someone work 2 - 10 as it does for someone to work 9 - 5. Then you can provide 
service when people are actually home. 


Businesses that are only open when most people are unable to interact with said 
business (because they're at work) annoy me. 




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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:45:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use" 



Yes, exactly. 

I don’t think we’re saying phone support stops at 5pm unless you’re a business, 
but we’re not doing an evening or weekend truck roll for a residential trouble 
call. 

I should note that probably 80+ percent of calls are resolved over the phone 
without a truck roll. And some things are resolved by sending customer a 
replacement POE or router via UPS which gets there next day. Assuming the 
customer didn’t wait until 5pm to call in, since we have to drop things off for 
UPS by 6pm. And sometimes there are workarounds, like forcing the SM-router 
link to 10BaseT because a surge suppressor got degraded in a lightning storm 
and is causing CRC errors. 

The other thing I tell people is that if Internet access is “mission critical”, 
everyone – businesses included – should have a backup. Even fiber and cable 
Internet have outages. If you’re losing millions every hour, you need to have 
at least a mobile hotspot or a DSL line for backup. And seriously, who doesn’t 
have a smartphone with a data plan. If a business has an onsite VoIP PBX from 
us, we offer to set it up with out SIP trunk provider to fail over to a 
cellphone if the PBX becomes unavailable. 

We used to offer all broadband customers a free dialup account for backup, but 
of course that’s useless now, people would rather drive into town and use the 
WiFi at Starbucks or Panera. And BTW we got out of the dialup business 10 years 
ago. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 12:09 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use" 


Difference between having support on shift to answer the phone and work with 
the customer and having them page out a service tech. 

For DIA we page and escalate after hours and get a tech out of bed if we have 
to. 

For SMB we try, i.e if someone is available and willing then we dispatch and 
pay the overtime. They aren't going to be offline over the weekend but they 
also won't get a 2AM service call like DIA. 

For residential it gets fit into the next business days schedule. 



On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:01 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Well, that's one strategy. The other is you have a guy whose normal shift 
covers evenings, serving residential customers. 



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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:12:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use" 

and no after hours response on Residential 



On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I used to publish a triage/response time sheet in our faq page. Something like: 
“Residential trouble tickets would be dispatched to a technician within 24 
hours on business days when when work load permits. Business customers have 
priority over residential customers. No weekend response.” 






From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use" 




Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price. 




On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their 
internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need they 
are "running a business from home" etc? 



Do you make them jump up to business package? Or add a fee on their bill for 
"commercial use"??? 



Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking 
advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service. 




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Mike Hammett]

I meant to say that there's always something major missing on some major 
provider. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:58:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:53:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 



AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS. 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers. IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks? This is 
not my problem to fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix. I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway. In either case, 
I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet, and I get CBS without 
some streaming workaround. 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this. It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


Not that I saw. 



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Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions? 






From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 




I tried it out on my Roku. Works well. 








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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Mike Hammett]

You do realize that the same thing happens to every single TV provider, right? 
Comcast, Charter, AT&T, Dish, MediaCom, etc., etc. There's always some major 
network on some major TV provider. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:53:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 



AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS. 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers. IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks? This is 
not my problem to fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix. I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway. In either case, 
I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet, and I get CBS without 
some streaming workaround. 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this. It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 


Not that I saw. 



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Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions? 






From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux 




I tried it out on my Roku. Works well. 








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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[Ken Hohhof]

AT&T is telling UVerse and DirecTV customers to use Locast (which they help 
fund) because of their retransmission fee dispute with CBS.

 

I have AT&T at my house (I don’t live in my own service area), and my response 
is to switch providers.  IMHO, AT&T is already charging me twice what they 
should, and now they can’t even deliver one of the 4 major networks?  This is 
not my problem to  fix, AT&T, for what I pay it is yours to fix.  I am either 
going to switch my Internet to Wide Open West cable and use an OTA antenna for 
TV, or just go ahead and get the middle TV package from Wowway.  In either 
case, I cut my costs in half or more, I get faster Internet,  and I get CBS 
without some streaming workaround.

 

I think AT&T will lose a bunch of customers over this.  It’s not like they have 
great service or prices or Internet speeds to begin with, and their channel 
lineup is mostly crap.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

Not that I saw. 

 

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions?

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

 

I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.  

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes,  exactly.

 

I don’t think we’re saying phone support stops at 5pm unless you’re a business, 
but we’re not doing an evening or weekend truck roll for a residential trouble 
call.

 

I should note that probably 80+ percent of calls are resolved over the phone 
without a truck roll.  And some things are resolved by sending customer a 
replacement POE or router via UPS which gets there next day.  Assuming the 
customer didn’t wait until 5pm to call in, since we have to drop things off for 
UPS by 6pm.  And sometimes there are workarounds, like forcing the SM-router 
link to 10BaseT because a surge suppressor got degraded in a lightning storm 
and is causing CRC errors.

 

The other thing I tell people is that if Internet access is “mission critical”, 
everyone – businesses included – should have a backup.  Even fiber and cable 
Internet have outages.  If you’re losing millions every hour, you need to have 
at least a mobile hotspot or a DSL line for backup.  And seriously, who doesn’t 
have a smartphone with a data plan.  If a business has an onsite VoIP PBX from 
us, we offer to set it up with out SIP trunk provider to fail over to a 
cellphone if the PBX becomes unavailable.

 

We used to offer all broadband customers a free dialup account for backup, but 
of course that’s useless now, people would rather drive into town and use the 
WiFi at Starbucks or Panera.  And BTW we got out of the dialup business 10 
years ago.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 12:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

 

Difference between having support on shift to answer the phone and work with 
the customer and having them page out a service tech.   

For DIA we page and escalate after hours and get a tech out of bed if we have 
to.  

For SMB we try, i.e if someone is available and willing then we dispatch and 
pay the overtime.  They aren't going to be offline over the weekend but they 
also won't get a 2AM service call like DIA.

For residential it gets fit into the next business days schedule.  

 

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Well, that's one strategy. The other is you have a guy whose normal shift 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

and no after hours response on Residential

 

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like:   “Residential trouble tickets would be dispatched to a technician within 
24 hours on business days when when work load permits.  Business customers have 
priority over residential customers.  No weekend response.”

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

 

Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price.

 

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What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their 
internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need they 
are  "running a business from home" etc?  

 

Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill for 
"commercial use"???

 

Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking 
advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Carl Peterson]

Difference between having support on shift to answer the phone and work
with the customer and having them page out a service tech.
For DIA we page and escalate after hours and get a tech out of bed if we
have to.
For SMB we try, i.e if someone is available and willing then we dispatch
and pay the overtime.  They aren't going to be offline over the weekend but
they also won't get a 2AM service call like DIA.
For residential it gets fit into the next business days schedule.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:01 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Well, that's one strategy. The other is you have a guy whose normal shift
> covers evenings, serving residential customers.
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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming
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>> I used to publish a triage/response time sheet in our faq page.
>> Something like:   “Residential trouble tickets would be dispatched to a
>> technician within 24 hours on business days when when work load permits.
>> Business customers have priority over residential customers.  No weekend
>> response.”
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming
>> "business use"
>>
>> Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
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>>> What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when
>>> their internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they
>>> need they are  "running a business from home" etc?
>>>
>>> Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their
>>> bill for
>>> "commercial use"???
>>>
>>> Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are
>>> taking advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.
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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Mike Hammett]

Well, that's one strategy. The other is you have a guy whose normal shift 
covers evenings, serving residential customers. 




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From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:12:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use" 


and no after hours response on Residential 


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I used to publish a triage/response time sheet in our faq page. Something like: 
“Residential trouble tickets would be dispatched to a technician within 24 
hours on business days when when work load permits. Business customers have 
priority over residential customers. No weekend response.” 




From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use" 


Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price. 


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What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their 
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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Business class customers get priority treatment on our network.  Price is $20 a 
month more.
If we have eight service calls and one of them is the business, the business is 
bumped up to the top of the queue.

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  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:44 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"


  What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their 
internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need they 
are  "running a business from home" etc? 


  Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill for 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

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Not that I saw.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM  wrote:

> Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions?
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux
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> I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[chuck]

Do they have any pause, record, dvr type functions?

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.  



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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

[chuck]

There is already a legal battle brewing ACE has filed a complaint.  Not sure 
how they can claim they are not aereo in a non profit wrapper.  I hope they can 
survive.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.  



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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[chuck]

Yes, good point.  8-5 time permitting.  Liberal injections of phrases about 
Business packages get the priority.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

and no after hours response on Residential

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM  wrote:

  I used to publish a triage/response time sheet in our faq page.  Something 
like:   “Residential trouble tickets would be dispatched to a technician within 
24 hours on business days when when work load permits.  Business customers have 
priority over residential customers.  No weekend response.”

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

  Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price.

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their 
internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need they 
are  "running a business from home" etc?  

Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

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I tried it out on my Roku. Works well.



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and no after hours response on Residential

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 12:10 PM  wrote:

> I used to publish a triage/response time sheet in our faq page.  Something
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> customers have priority over residential customers.  No weekend response.”
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming
> "business use"
>
> Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price.
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when
>> their internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they
>> need they are  "running a business from home" etc?
>>
>> Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill
>> for
>> "commercial use"???
>>
>> Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking
>> advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.
>>
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[AFMUG] Fw: Aereo redux

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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[chuck]

I used to publish a triage/response time sheet in our faq page.  Something 
like:   “Residential trouble tickets would be dispatched to a technician within 
24 hours on business days when when work load permits.  Business customers have 
priority over residential customers.  No weekend response.”

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their 
internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need they 
are  "running a business from home" etc?  

  Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill for 
  "commercial use"???

  Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking 
advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.


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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Lewis Bergman]

Sounds like they want an SLA type service so they need an SLA type price.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their
> internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need
> they are  "running a business from home" etc?
>
> Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill
> for
> "commercial use"???
>
> Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking
> advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Carl Peterson]

Tell them if they want business service they can buy business service and
give them the price sheet.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their
> internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need
> they are  "running a business from home" etc?
>
> Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill
> for
> "commercial use"???
>
> Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking
> advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Colin Stanners]

"Our system shows that you have a residential, non-business package, so
please note that our business customers receive priority tech support and
service calls over the residential ones. If you wish to upgrade to the
business package to enjoy its advantages, I can pass you over to
accounting".

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their
> internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need
> they are  "running a business from home" etc?
>
> Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill
> for
> "commercial use"???
>
> Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking
> advantage of residential pricing but wanting business type service.
>
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[AFMUG] residential customers that alway claiming "business use"

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What is everyone doing for all these residential customers that when their
internet is down are always requesting expedited repairs beause they need
they are  "running a business from home" etc?

Do you make them jump up to  business package? Or add a fee on their bill
for
"commercial use"???

Seems to be happening all the time lately and I feel like they are taking
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[AFMUG] need 450 lite to full key ASAP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Does anyone have a PMP450 lite to full key that I can use? I am in pinch. I
have one on order with Streakwave, but they are saying up to 24 hour
turnaround time. If someone can front me a key i can give them mine when it
comes in the next 24 hours.

thanks,

Kurt F. 419-569-5814
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Re: [AFMUG] El Paso Mass shooting

[Chuck McCown]

Tim, I have asked you to stop, I listed our rules about this kind of thing.  I 
have killed the thread.  Do we really have to take further action?

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> On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Tim Reichhart  
> wrote:
> 
> May I ask what the hell does this that to do with trump? I don’t see you 
> bashing obummer aka Obama with this 31 massive gun violence so tell me again 
> why this is trump fault for?
> Maybe you should look at democrats / media propaganda bs what the hell they 
> started on msm with there hated against trump you know this probably going 
> help trump in 2020 so I’m going say this fuck liberals of this country they 
> are the ones of root of most of problems we have today.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] El Paso Mass shooting
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Date: 08/04/19 07:53:24pm
> 
> 
> 
> And to make it clear...I have white Anglo blood in my family, my first wife 
> is Anglo, my kids are mixed race...My view on Trump is not based on race  but 
> his total ineptitude and racism.
> Bye.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 11:49 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I stand by my comments...take me off the list if you wish...Fuck Trump..
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 8:35 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2 words: gun control
> 
> Is so clearly written in the wall but y'all don't see it..
> 
> Gino Villarini
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
> m: 
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> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968From: 
> AF  on behalf of Tim Hardy 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 10:29 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] El Paso Mass shooting
> 
> So what you really meant to say after all that bull shit is thoughts and 
> prayers - well we're getting tired of that bull crap!  WTF?
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Tim Reichhart  
> wrote:
> 
> Ya ok he posted manifeso but it still doesnt mean he is linked to trump 
> anybody say that you all have is mental illness issue when there is gun 
> shooting and you all automatically blame trump and his supporters because of 
> this but failed to say there could be mental illness issue and media aka 
> media propaganda likes to twist things around to fit there agenda and that is 
> sad they dont want to come out and say this dude had mental illness issue but 
> want to go ahead and blame trump and his supporters for this. So get off your 
> high horse and stop blaming trump and his supporters for the media spin 
> around job. Lets focus on the issue at hand which is mental health issue 
> right now because NOBODY is talking about this in media land because they 
> want to blame trump and his supporters and this is why trump is going to win 
> 2020.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Date: 08/03/19 08:35
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] El Paso Mass shooting
> 
> He posted his manifesto...the chief of police mentioned it in press 
> conference and FBI looking into hate crime. He drove from Allen, Texas to 
> help stop Hispanic invasion his social media posts are proTrump... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 5:36 PM Tim Reichhart  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am seeing this right now on local news how do you know he is trump 
> supporter and not some liberal sick minded person?
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Date: 08/03/19 07:20
> Subject: [AFMUG] El Paso Mass shooting
> 
> Lone gunman from Allen, Texas came to El Paso and killed 15 confirmed dead 
> with lots more injured!! Outside and inside a Walmart. El Paso blood banks 
> all have long lines with folks donating for all the injured in hospitals. 
> He was arrested by police and apparently wrote a manifesto against Hispanics 
> and a vocal Trump supporter.
> This was one of the safest cities in the world and some worthless piece of 
> shit racist asshole fucked it up.
> I am sure he will be put in isolation because otherwise he will be killed by 
> prisoners.
> To say I am angry is an understatement...
> My daughter knows some of the parents and children killed...they were at a 
> fund raiser for T-ball...fuck!!
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