date:20200731

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 2:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Non-centrists sometimes seem like lunatics.  They either think Communists are 
taking over the country or they think Nazi's are taking over the country.  And 
I'm like, "Do you none of you realize that nobody is taking over the country 
except all of you idiots?"

On 7/31/2020 2:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's about 
people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists 
everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in using 
it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society or section 
of society where some behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't 
believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA is 
compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are canceled by the 
cancel culture.

I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger 
warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place where 
you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard both terms 
in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed such things.  
Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person with mental 
problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact that the terms no 
longer mean anything except to insult a perceived weakness in someone else.  

A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to fully 
express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely implementing 
communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for feeling safe in 
their safe space while not feeling safe to express those ideas in the general 
public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a bunch of weirdos.  I'm a 
believer in the importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun owner (and 
it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a box magazine and a black 
composite stock), and I would be all about joining a militia whose purpose was 
to defend the country and respond to natural disasters with no weird, political 
conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad there isn't one.

If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for you:

I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she was the 
most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: 
https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help 
these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and stupid to help 
themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black people are poor 
and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented the "White 
Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on. 

I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about 
socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet not a 
single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.  Just like 
these dumb kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI 

=youtu.be who think socialism means "helping people" or "closing the 
wealth gap".  What a bunch of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You 
need robust social welfare programs because once the government is "helping 
people" you've now shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just 
wanted to know that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok. 
 The 5% of remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element 
which can now be ignored.

And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with anybody 
in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political spectrum 
repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you silently 
walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and urine.

If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant about 
whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to discriminate. Fight 
me Steve.

On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Good one.

And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the hand”?  
Is it different from “ghosting”?

I hope the university that compiles an annual list of banished words includes 
“trigger warning”, “safe space”, “cancel culture”, and a bunch more that I 
never actually hear normal people say.  Let’s just get rid of all those terms 
that end in “culture” or “lifestyle”.  And maybe we could retire “Karen” and 
“my freedoms”.  And there are some pandemic related terms I’d like to never 
hear again.  Like social distancing and face covering.  Isn’t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
With OCP coming up with a conspiracy just about every time he
  opens his mouth, there are apparently a lot of buyers out there.
  Been watching too much Alex Jones I guess.


bp



On 7/31/2020 12:29 PM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Non-centrists sometimes seem like lunatics.  They either think
Communists are taking over the country or they think Nazi's are
taking over the country.  And I'm like, "Do you none of you
realize that nobody is taking over the country except all of you
idiots?"
  
  On 7/31/2020 2:04 PM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
  
  

Being centrist is particularly dangerous these
  days.


  On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21
PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
  
  

  I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel
culture".  If it's about people shutting down things
they don't like then that behavior exists everywhere,
and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified
in using it as an attack against another group.  There's
literally no society or section of society where some
behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't
believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell
them the NFA is compatible with the constitution, and
then observe as you are canceled by the cancel culture.
  
  I get the idea of not triggering someone's
PTSD.which is what "trigger warning" was originally
about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place where
you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I
first heard both terms in media that was ridiculing the
weakness of people who needed such things.  Whether it's
really a weakness to not want to set off a person with
mental problems or to want to be safe isn't as important
as the fact that the terms no longer mean anything
except to insult a perceived weakness in someone else. 

  
  A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three
Percenters and Boogaloos to fully express their views
about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely
implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of
weak-ass babies for feeling safe in their safe space
while not feeling safe to express those ideas in the
general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for
being a bunch of weirdos.  I'm a believer in the
importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun owner
(and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a
box magazine and a black composite stock), and I would
be all about joining a militia whose purpose was to
defend the country and respond to natural disasters with
no weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad
there isn't one.
  
  If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this
next section is for you:
  
  I've met exactly one person who described themselves as
"woke", and she was the most racist, manipulative
lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw 
That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help these
poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor
and stupid to help themselves.  I'm so woke AF because
I've realized that black people are poor and stupid." 
What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented
the "White Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move
on. 
  
  I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who
won't shut up about socialism.  I'd bet not a single one
of them is a real socialist.  I bet not a single one of
them actually knows what the F they're talking about. 
Just like these dumb kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be
who think socialism means "helping people" or "closing
the wealth gap".  What a bunch of goons.  Otto Von
Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social
welfare programs because once the government is "helping
people" you've now shut up 95% of the self described
socialists who really just wanted to know that if they
get too old or too sick to work

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Non-centrists sometimes seem like lunatics.  They either think 
Communists are taking over the country or they think Nazi's are taking 
over the country.  And I'm like, "Do you none of you realize that nobody 
is taking over the country except all of you idiots?"


On 7/31/2020 2:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture". 
If it's about people shutting down things they don't like then
that behavior exists everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups
think they're justified in using it as an attack against another
group.  There's literally no society or section of society where
some behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't believe
me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA is
compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are
canceled by the cancel culture.

I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what
"trigger warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was
supposed to be a place where you won't be harassed for being black
or gay (etc).  I first heard both terms in media that was
ridiculing the weakness of people who needed such things.  Whether
it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person with mental
problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact that
the terms no longer mean anything except to insult a perceived
weakness in someone else.

A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and
Boogaloos to fully express their views about the elitist pedophile
cabal discretely implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch
of weak-ass babies for feeling safe in their safe space while not
feeling safe to express those ideas in the general public who
would absolutely "cancel" them for being a bunch of weirdos.  I'm
a believer in the importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun
owner (and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a box
magazine and a black composite stock), and I would be all about
joining a militia whose purpose was to defend the country and
respond to natural disasters with no weird, political conspiracy
BS baked in.  Too bad there isn't one.

If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section
is for you:

I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke",
and she was the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my
life.  Here: https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw That video freakin nails
it.  "Oh we have to help these poor, stupid persons of color
because they're too poor and stupid to help themselves.  I'm so
woke AF because I've realized that black people are poor and
stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented
the "White Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on.

I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut
up about socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real
socialist.  I bet not a single one of them actually knows what the
F they're talking about. Just like these dumb kids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be who
think socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth
gap".  What a bunch of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100%
correct.  You need robust social welfare programs because once the
government is "helping people" you've now shut up 95% of the self
described socialists who really just wanted to know that if they
get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of
remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element
which can now be ignored.

And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree
with anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the
political spectrum repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for
the same reason you silently walk past a wild eyed street preacher
who smells like whiskey and urine.

If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to
rant about whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't
want to discriminate. Fight me Steve.


On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Good one.

And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to
the hand”?  Is it different from “ghosting”?

I hope the university that compiles an annual list of banished
words includes “trigger warning”, “safe space”, “cancel culture”,
and a bunch more that I never actually hear normal people say.
Let’s just get rid of all those terms that end in “culture” or
“lifestyle”.  And maybe we could retire “Karen” and “my
freedoms”.  And there are some pandemic related terms I’d like to
never hear again. Like social distancing

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread chuck

Play both ends against the middle and get them divorced again.  For their own 
good you know...

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

What do you do with the ones that get divorced again and marry the first 
partner again? 

Mark

  On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I’ll bet if friends get divorced, you try to remain friends with both of 
them.  Nope, can’t be done, there is no middle ground.  Cancel, cancel, cancel.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:32 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

  Should I be scared?  I try to adopt some Buddhist ideals to mix with my 
Mormon cultural behaviors.  Moderation in all things.

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

  Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

  On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's 
about people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists 
everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in using 
it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society or section 
of society where some behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't 
believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA is 
compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are canceled by the 
cancel culture.
I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger 
warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place where 
you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard both terms 
in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed such things.  
Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person with mental 
problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact that the terms no 
longer mean anything except to insult a perceived weakness in someone else.  
A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to 
fully express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely 
implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for feeling 
safe in their safe space while not feeling safe to express those ideas in the 
general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a bunch of weirdos. 
 I'm a believer in the importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun owner 
(and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a box magazine and a 
black composite stock), and I would be all about joining a militia whose 
purpose was to defend the country and respond to natural disasters with no 
weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad there isn't one.
If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for 
you:
I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she was 
the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: 
https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help 
these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and stupid to help 
themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black people are poor 
and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented the "White 
Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on. 
I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about 
socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet not a 
single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.  Just like 
these dumb kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be 
who think socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth gap".  What a 
bunch of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social 
welfare programs because once the government is "helping people" you've now 
shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just wanted to know 
that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of 
remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element which can now 
be ignored.
And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with 
anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political spectrum 
repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you silently 
walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and urine.
If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant 
about whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to discriminate. 
Fight me Steve.

On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  Good one.

  And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread chuck

Based on Linkedin and FB requests, others seem much more interested in making 
friends...
I feel a tinge of guilt everytime I ignore those requests.

I was that kid that the teachers always paired up with others to “help them 
out”.  
Even in fricking College!!!

I feigned a certain degree of civility and concern, but I truly did not want to 
make friends.  
Not much has changed.  
Probably due to being a sociopath or some such thing.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Only if you're worried about making friends...

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:33 PM  wrote:

  Should I be scared?  I try to adopt some Buddhist ideals to mix with my 
Mormon cultural behaviors.  Moderation in all things.

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

  Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

  On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's 
about people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists 
everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in using 
it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society or section 
of society where some behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't 
believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA is 
compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are canceled by the 
cancel culture.


I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger 
warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place where 
you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard both terms 
in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed such things.  
Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person with mental 
problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact that the terms no 
longer mean anything except to insult a perceived weakness in someone else.  


A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to 
fully express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely 
implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for feeling 
safe in their safe space while not feeling safe to express those ideas in the 
general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a bunch of weirdos. 
 I'm a believer in the importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun owner 
(and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a box magazine and a 
black composite stock), and I would be all about joining a militia whose 
purpose was to defend the country and respond to natural disasters with no 
weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad there isn't one.


If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for 
you:


I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she was 
the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: 
https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help 
these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and stupid to help 
themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black people are poor 
and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented the "White 
Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on. 


I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about 
socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet not a 
single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.  Just like 
these dumb kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be 
who think socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth gap".  What a 
bunch of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social 
welfare programs because once the government is "helping people" you've now 
shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just wanted to know 
that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of 
remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element which can now 
be ignored.


And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with 
anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political spectrum 
repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you silently 
walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and urine.

If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant 
about whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to discriminate. 
Fight me Steve.




On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Good one.



  And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the 
hand”?  Is it different from “ghosting”?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread Mark Radabaugh

What do you do with the ones that get divorced again and marry the first 
partner again?

Mark

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I’ll bet if friends get divorced, you try to remain friends with both of 
> them.  Nope, can’t be done, there is no middle ground.  Cancel, cancel, 
> cancel.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>  
> Should I be scared?  I try to adopt some Buddhist ideals to mix with my 
> Mormon cultural behaviors.  Moderation in all things.
>  
> From: Jason McKemie 
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>  
> Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.
>  
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
>> I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's 
>> about people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists 
>> everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in 
>> using it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society 
>> or section of society where some behavior or other won't get you "canceled". 
>>  Don't believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA 
>> is compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are canceled by 
>> the cancel culture.
>> I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger 
>> warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place 
>> where you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard 
>> both terms in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed 
>> such things.  Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person 
>> with mental problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact 
>> that the terms no longer mean anything except to insult a perceived weakness 
>> in someone else.  
>> A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to 
>> fully express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely 
>> implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for 
>> feeling safe in their safe space while not feeling safe to express those 
>> ideas in the general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a 
>> bunch of weirdos.  I'm a believer in the importance of the second amendment 
>> and I'm a gun owner (and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a 
>> box magazine and a black composite stock), and I would be all about joining 
>> a militia whose purpose was to defend the country and respond to natural 
>> disasters with no weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad there 
>> isn't one.
>> If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for 
>> you:
>> I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she was 
>> the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: 
>> https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw   That video 
>> freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help these poor, stupid persons of color 
>> because they're too poor and stupid to help themselves.  I'm so woke AF 
>> because I've realized that black people are poor and stupid."  What the woke 
>> need to admit is that they've reinvented the "White Man's Burden".  Admit 
>> it, grow up, and move on. 
>> I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about 
>> socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet not 
>> a single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.  Just 
>> like these dumb kids: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be 
>>  who think 
>> socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth gap".  What a bunch 
>> of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social 
>> welfare programs because once the government is "helping people" you've now 
>> shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just wanted to know 
>> that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of 
>> remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element which can 
>> now be ignored.
>> And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with 
>> anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political 
>> spectrum repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you 
>> silently walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and 
>> urine.
>> If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant about 
>> whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to discriminate. 
>> Fight me Steve.
>>  
>> On 7/30/2020 8:14

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

I’ll bet if friends get divorced, you try to remain friends with both of them.  
Nope, can’t be done, there is no middle ground.  Cancel, cancel, cancel.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Should I be scared?  I try to adopt some Buddhist ideals to mix with my Mormon 
cultural behaviors.  Moderation in all things.

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's about 
people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists 
everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in using 
it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society or section 
of society where some behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't 
believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA is 
compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are canceled by the 
cancel culture.

I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger 
warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place where 
you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard both terms 
in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed such things.  
Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person with mental 
problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact that the terms no 
longer mean anything except to insult a perceived weakness in someone else.  

A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to fully 
express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely implementing 
communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for feeling safe in 
their safe space while not feeling safe to express those ideas in the general 
public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a bunch of weirdos.  I'm a 
believer in the importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun owner (and 
it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a box magazine and a black 
composite stock), and I would be all about joining a militia whose purpose was 
to defend the country and respond to natural disasters with no weird, political 
conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad there isn't one.

If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for you:

I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she was the 
most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: 
https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help 
these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and stupid to help 
themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black people are poor 
and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented the "White 
Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on. 

I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about 
socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet not a 
single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.  Just like 
these dumb kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI 

=youtu.be who think socialism means "helping people" or "closing the 
wealth gap".  What a bunch of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You 
need robust social welfare programs because once the government is "helping 
people" you've now shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just 
wanted to know that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok. 
 The 5% of remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element 
which can now be ignored.

And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with anybody 
in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political spectrum 
repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you silently 
walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and urine.

If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant about 
whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to discriminate. Fight 
me Steve.

On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Good one.

And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the hand”?  
Is it different from “ghosting”?

I hope the university that compiles an annual list of banished words includes 
“trigger warning”, “safe space”, “cancel culture”, and a bunch more that I 
never actually hear normal people say.  Let’s just get rid of all those terms 
that end in “culture” or “lifestyle”.  And maybe we could retire “Karen” and 
“my

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

On this NEW service offering, they claim there is no data cap.

 

And similar to what T-Mobile is doing, it is only available where there is 
excess capacity on the cell towers, and they state you cannot just move and 
take it with you to the new location, you have to check availability at the new 
location, even though it’s a self-install.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

Is it aggressive when you only get ~30GB?

 

My $60 customers regularly do 100-200 GB.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:44 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Interesting.  25mbps for $40 is pretty aggressive.

On 7/31/2020 1:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

That’s their old service.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

25Mbps?  The link shows me "average speeds of 5-12Mbps"

Are they showing us each something different based on where we are? This is 
what I see:



 

On 7/31/2020 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

25 Mbps for $40/month?

Of course that’s “up to” 25 Mbps, and $60 if you don’t have a Verizon cellphone.

What strikes me is I would never try to sell 25 Mbps service with an indoor DIY 
install.

I know LTE makes everything magic, and maybe they’re using low band instead of 
mid band spectrum, but if this is targeting rural areas, you can’t count on the 
celltower being a mile away.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were selling 5mbps for 
$60-150/month that might change our model too.  It might only take a handful of 
customers to pay the tower rent, and you might not care if they all had garbage 
signal.

I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based algorithm) 
and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal strength because they 
can see a better speed test result if they get more bars.  They might prefer 
the modem to live in the basement, but if they get a tangibly better outcome by 
putting it upstairs in the bay window then they might do that.  Of course, 
Clearwire taught us that might also lead to tupperware on the roof.

 

On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an indoor 
LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE based service, and 
has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor antennas.  
Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely just like in the early 
days of DSL, the key to making the service profitable is to eliminate the truck 
roll and have the customer do an indoor self-install.

 

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet service:

https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/ 





 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread Jason McKemie

Only if you're worried about making friends...

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:33 PM  wrote:

> Should I be scared?  I try to adopt some Buddhist ideals to mix with my
> Mormon cultural behaviors.  Moderation in all things.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 12:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
> Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's
>> about people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists
>> everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in
>> using it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society
>> or section of society where some behavior or other won't get you
>> "canceled".  Don't believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell
>> them the NFA is compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you
>> are canceled by the cancel culture.
>>
>> I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what
>> "trigger warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be
>> a place where you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first
>> heard both terms in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who
>> needed such things.  Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off
>> a person with mental problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as
>> the fact that the terms no longer mean anything except to insult a
>> perceived weakness in someone else.
>>
>> A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to
>> fully express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely
>> implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for
>> feeling safe in their safe space while not feeling safe to express those
>> ideas in the general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a
>> bunch of weirdos.  I'm a believer in the importance of the second amendment
>> and I'm a gun owner (and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with
>> a box magazine and a black composite stock), and I would be all about
>> joining a militia whose purpose was to defend the country and respond to
>> natural disasters with no weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad
>> there isn't one.
>>
>> If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for
>> you:
>>
>> I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she
>> was the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here:
>> https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have
>> to help these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and
>> stupid to help themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black
>> people are poor and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've
>> reinvented the "White Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on.
>>
>> I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about
>> socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet
>> not a single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.
>> Just like these dumb kids:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be who think
>> socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth gap".  What a bunch
>> of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social
>> welfare programs because once the government is "helping people" you've now
>> shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just wanted to know
>> that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of
>> remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element which can
>> now be ignored.
>>
>> And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with
>> anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political
>> spectrum repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you
>> silently walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and
>> urine.
>>
>> If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant
>> about whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to
>> discriminate. Fight me Steve.
>>
>>
>> On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Good one.
>>
>>
>>
>> And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the
>> hand”?  Is it different from “ghosting”?
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope the university that compiles an annual list of banished words
>> includes “trigger warning”, “safe space”, “cancel culture”, and a bunch
>> more that I never actually hear normal people say.  Let’s just get rid of
>> all those terms that end in “culture” or “lifestyle”.  And maybe we could
>> retire “Karen” and “my freedoms”.  And there are some pandemic related
>> terms I’d like to never hear again.  Like social distancing and face
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread chuck

Should I be scared?  I try to adopt some Buddhist ideals to mix with my Mormon 
cultural behaviors.  Moderation in all things.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's 
about people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists 
everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in using 
it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society or section 
of society where some behavior or other won't get you "canceled".  Don't 
believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell them the NFA is 
compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you are canceled by the 
cancel culture.

  I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger 
warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place where 
you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard both terms 
in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed such things.  
Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a person with mental 
problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the fact that the terms no 
longer mean anything except to insult a perceived weakness in someone else.  

  A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to 
fully express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely 
implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for feeling 
safe in their safe space while not feeling safe to express those ideas in the 
general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a bunch of weirdos. 
 I'm a believer in the importance of the second amendment and I'm a gun owner 
(and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with a box magazine and a 
black composite stock), and I would be all about joining a militia whose 
purpose was to defend the country and respond to natural disasters with no 
weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad there isn't one.

  If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for you:

  I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she was 
the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here: 
https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have to help 
these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and stupid to help 
themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black people are poor 
and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've reinvented the "White 
Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on. 

  I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about 
socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet not a 
single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.  Just like 
these dumb kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be 
who think socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth gap".  What a 
bunch of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social 
welfare programs because once the government is "helping people" you've now 
shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just wanted to know 
that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of 
remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element which can now 
be ignored.

  And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with 
anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political spectrum 
repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you silently 
walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and urine.

  If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant about 
whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to discriminate. Fight 
me Steve.

  On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Good one.

And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the 
hand”?  Is it different from “ghosting”?

I hope the university that compiles an annual list of banished words 
includes “trigger warning”, “safe space”, “cancel culture”, and a bunch more 
that I never actually hear normal people say.  Let’s just get rid of all those 
terms that end in “culture” or “lifestyle”.  And maybe we could retire “Karen” 
and “my freedoms”.  And there are some pandemic related terms I’d like to never 
hear again.  Like social distancing and face covering.  Isn’t social distancing 
like jumbo shrimp?  Can’t we just call them physical distancing and masks?  Oh, 
and novel coronavirus.  Just call it the coronavirus, unless you’re writing a 
novel about it.  And maybe we could stop saying “science” when

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

2020-07-31 Thread Brian Webster

This article is an example of a journalist not knowing much.

 

She was looking for addresses in Savanah, the program is available in the 
Savanah market so her looking up an address is not including all of the other 
rural towns that can possibly get this service. Her methodology for stating 
availability is all wrong.

 

This is a rural broadband program, it is likely for people who don’t have 
options other than satellite or the current cell phone data plans. Why everyone 
keeps comparing prices, speeds and such to other plans these people would buy 
if they could get them is silly.

 

Total price with the equipment payment for non-Verizon customers is $60 plus 
the $10 per month equipment fee (for 24 months). Still not a bad price if this 
is your only option.

 

A person would likely know how ell it’s going to work and what speeds they will 
get if they have already tested data on a Verizon cell phone, so performance 
should be similar.

 

This program is likely targeted at their 700 spectrum but there is no reason 
why they can’t be on the other bands. As stated, this is being rolled out on 
the towers they are not capacity challenged. Some rural sites always deliver 
great performance simply because the site loading with data customers is not 
that bad. Why not sell this excess capacity? Wouldn’t you as a WISP? Quite 
frankly I am surprised the cellular operators have not done more of this. IT’s 
easy to limit the device to a small number of sectors and offer unlimited data 
if that portion of the network has plenty of capacity. No 5G required and those 
areas will probably never see 5 G anyway.

 

If Verizon starts to offer a similar package to their MVNO program it would 
make for a nice adjunct to your coverage area where you do not have a network 
built.

 

Verizon is looking hard at the software cell phone business model at the same 
time. Visble.com is a Verizon owned and run pre-paid service that offers 
unlimited data on a low priority basis already. I have been using one of their 
phones as a hot spot for some time now. Speeds on the network vary a great 
deal. It depends on where I am and how many users are on the system. The 5 meg 
download on the tethering does not seem to be enforced or used on the USB side 
and I get around the device limit by putting a router on the USB tether cable. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an indoor 
LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE based service, and 
has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor antennas.  
Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely just like in the early 
days of DSL, the key to making the service profitable is to eliminate the truck 
roll and have the customer do an indoor self-install.

 

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet service:

https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/ 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread Jason McKemie

Being centrist is particularly dangerous these days.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I don't really understand the complaints about "cancel culture".  If it's
> about people shutting down things they don't like then that behavior exists
> everywhere, and I'm not sure why some groups think they're justified in
> using it as an attack against another group.  There's literally no society
> or section of society where some behavior or other won't get you
> "canceled".  Don't believe me?  Go to a Three Percenters meeting and tell
> them the NFA is compatible with the constitution, and then observe as you
> are canceled by the cancel culture.
>
> I get the idea of not triggering someone's PTSD.which is what "trigger
> warning" was originally about.  A "safe space" was supposed to be a place
> where you won't be harassed for being black or gay (etc).  I first heard
> both terms in media that was ridiculing the weakness of people who needed
> such things.  Whether it's really a weakness to not want to set off a
> person with mental problems or to want to be safe isn't as important as the
> fact that the terms no longer mean anything except to insult a perceived
> weakness in someone else.
>
> A militia meeting is a "safe space" for Three Percenters and Boogaloos to
> fully express their views about the elitist pedophile cabal discretely
> implementing communism in the USA.  What a bunch of weak-ass babies for
> feeling safe in their safe space while not feeling safe to express those
> ideas in the general public who would absolutely "cancel" them for being a
> bunch of weirdos.  I'm a believer in the importance of the second amendment
> and I'm a gun owner (and it's one of those evil semi automatic rifles with
> a box magazine and a black composite stock), and I would be all about
> joining a militia whose purpose was to defend the country and respond to
> natural disasters with no weird, political conspiracy BS baked in.  Too bad
> there isn't one.
>
> If anyone on the left feels left out of my rant, this next section is for
> you:
>
> I've met exactly one person who described themselves as "woke", and she
> was the most racist, manipulative lunatic I ever met in my life.  Here:
> https://youtu.be/-G5eEJTtKUw  That video freakin nails it.  "Oh we have
> to help these poor, stupid persons of color because they're too poor and
> stupid to help themselves.  I'm so woke AF because I've realized that black
> people are poor and stupid."  What the woke need to admit is that they've
> reinvented the "White Man's Burden".  Admit it, grow up, and move on.
>
> I've also got a half dozen or so Facebook friends who won't shut up about
> socialism.  I'd bet not a single one of them is a real socialist.  I bet
> not a single one of them actually knows what the F they're talking about.
> Just like these dumb kids:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxTEZ7JizI=youtu.be who think
> socialism means "helping people" or "closing the wealth gap".  What a bunch
> of goons.  Otto Von Bismarck was 100% correct.  You need robust social
> welfare programs because once the government is "helping people" you've now
> shut up 95% of the self described socialists who really just wanted to know
> that if they get too old or too sick to work that they'll be ok.  The 5% of
> remaining true believers then become an irrelevant fringe element which can
> now be ignored.
>
> And yeah by the way: The "silent majority" doesn't secretly agree with
> anybody in particular.  They actually find both ends of the political
> spectrum repulsive and frightening.  They're silent for the same reason you
> silently walk past a wild eyed street preacher who smells like whiskey and
> urine.
>
> If anyone doesn't feel sufficiently canceled then I'd be happy to rant
> about whatever political affiliation you prefer.  I don't want to
> discriminate. Fight me Steve.
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 8:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Good one.
>
>
>
> And is “cancelled” the latest version of “dead to me” or “talk to the
> hand”?  Is it different from “ghosting”?
>
>
>
> I hope the university that compiles an annual list of banished words
> includes “trigger warning”, “safe space”, “cancel culture”, and a bunch
> more that I never actually hear normal people say.  Let’s just get rid of
> all those terms that end in “culture” or “lifestyle”.  And maybe we could
> retire “Karen” and “my freedoms”.  And there are some pandemic related
> terms I’d like to never hear again.  Like social distancing and face
> covering.  Isn’t social distancing like jumbo shrimp?  Can’t we just call
> them physical distancing and masks?  Oh, and novel coronavirus.  Just call
> it the coronavirus, unless you’re writing a novel about it.  And maybe we
> could stop saying “science” when we mean “facts”, it might avoid
> “triggering” people who find “science” elitist and feel you’re talking down
> to them.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30,

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

2020-07-31 Thread Josh Luthman

Is it aggressive when you only get ~30GB?

My $60 customers regularly do 100-200 GB.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 1:44 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Interesting.  25mbps for $40 is pretty aggressive.
> On 7/31/2020 1:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> That’s their old service.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 12:11 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service -
> CNET
>
>
>
> 25Mbps?  The link shows me "average speeds of 5-12Mbps"
>
> Are they showing us each something different based on where we are? This
> is what I see:
>
>
>
> On 7/31/2020 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> 25 Mbps for $40/month?
>
> Of course that’s “up to” 25 Mbps, and $60 if you don’t have a Verizon
> cellphone.
>
> What strikes me is I would never try to sell 25 Mbps service with an
> indoor DIY install.
>
> I know LTE makes everything magic, and maybe they’re using low band
> instead of mid band spectrum, but if this is targeting rural areas, you
> can’t count on the celltower being a mile away.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 11:33 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service -
> CNET
>
>
>
> They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were selling
> 5mbps for $60-150/month that might change our model too.  It might only
> take a handful of customers to pay the tower rent, and you might not care
> if they all had garbage signal.
>
> I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based
> algorithm) and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal strength
> because they can see a better speed test result if they get more bars.
> They might prefer the modem to live in the basement, but if they get a
> tangibly better outcome by putting it upstairs in the bay window then they
> might do that.  Of course, Clearwire taught us that might also lead to
> tupperware on the roof.
>
>
>
> On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an
> indoor LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE based
> service, and has no data cap.
>
> https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/
>
> Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor
> antennas.  Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely just
> like in the early days of DSL, the key to making the service profitable is
> to eliminate the truck roll and have the customer do an indoor self-install.
>
>
>
> Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet
> service:
>
>
> https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET
>
>
>
> https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET


Interesting.  25mbps for $40 is pretty aggressive.

On 7/31/2020 1:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


That’s their old service.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 12:11 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service 
- CNET


25Mbps?  The link shows me "average speeds of 5-12Mbps"

Are they showing us each something different based on where we are? 
This is what I see:


On 7/31/2020 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

25 Mbps for $40/month?

Of course that’s “up to” 25 Mbps, and $60 if you don’t have a
Verizon cellphone.

What strikes me is I would never try to sell 25 Mbps service with
an indoor DIY install.

I know LTE makes everything magic, and maybe they’re using low
band instead of mid band spectrum, but if this is targeting rural
areas, you can’t count on the celltower being a mile away.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 11:33 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet
service - CNET

They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were
selling 5mbps for $60-150/month that might change our model too. 
It might only take a handful of customers to pay the tower rent,
and you might not care if they all had garbage signal.

I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based
algorithm) and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal
strength because they can see a better speed test result if they
get more bars.  They might prefer the modem to live in the
basement, but if they get a tangibly better outcome by putting it
upstairs in the bay window then they might do that.  Of course,
Clearwire taught us that might also lead to tupperware on the roof.

On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they
use an indoor LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their
previous LTE based service, and has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain
outdoor antennas.  Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or
more likely just like in the early days of DSL, the key to
making the service profitable is to eliminate the truck roll
and have the customer do an indoor self-install.

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home
Internet service:


https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet
service - CNET


https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/








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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

2020-07-31 Thread Jaime Solorza

Most smart phones use MIMO with four antennas...I wonder if these LTE
devices do the same thing.  That's part of the LTE magic that most cell
boosters manufacturers don't take advantage of to meet speeds consistent.
The Cradlepoints use two antennas on some versions, the Cosys only one ...
Eventually they will catch up

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 9:30 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

That’s their old service.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 12:11 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

25Mbps?  The link shows me "average speeds of 5-12Mbps"

Are they showing us each something different based on where we are? This is 
what I see:

On 7/31/2020 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

25 Mbps for $40/month?

Of course that’s “up to” 25 Mbps, and $60 if you don’t have a Verizon cellphone.

What strikes me is I would never try to sell 25 Mbps service with an indoor DIY 
install.

I know LTE makes everything magic, and maybe they’re using low band instead of 
mid band spectrum, but if this is targeting rural areas, you can’t count on the 
celltower being a mile away.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were selling 5mbps for 
$60-150/month that might change our model too.  It might only take a handful of 
customers to pay the tower rent, and you might not care if they all had garbage 
signal.

I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based algorithm) 
and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal strength because they 
can see a better speed test result if they get more bars.  They might prefer 
the modem to live in the basement, but if they get a tangibly better outcome by 
putting it upstairs in the bay window then they might do that.  Of course, 
Clearwire taught us that might also lead to tupperware on the roof.

On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an indoor 
LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE based service, and 
has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor antennas.  
Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely just like in the early 
days of DSL, the key to making the service profitable is to eliminate the truck 
roll and have the customer do an indoor self-install.

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet service:

https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/ 

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25Mbps?  The link shows me "average speeds of 5-12Mbps"

Are they showing us each something different based on where we are? This 
is what I see:



On 7/31/2020 1:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


25 Mbps for $40/month?

Of course that’s “up to” 25 Mbps, and $60 if you don’t have a Verizon 
cellphone.


What strikes me is I would never try to sell 25 Mbps service with an 
indoor DIY install.


I know LTE makes everything magic, and maybe they’re using low band 
instead of mid band spectrum, but if this is targeting rural areas, 
you can’t count on the celltower being a mile away.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 11:33 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service 
- CNET


They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were selling 
5mbps for $60-150/month that might change our model too.  It might 
only take a handful of customers to pay the tower rent, and you might 
not care if they all had garbage signal.


I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based 
algorithm) and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal 
strength because they can see a better speed test result if they get 
more bars.  They might prefer the modem to live in the basement, but 
if they get a tangibly better outcome by putting it upstairs in the 
bay window then they might do that.  Of course, Clearwire taught us 
that might also lead to tupperware on the roof.


On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use
an indoor LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous
LTE based service, and has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor
antennas.  Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely
just like in the early days of DSL, the key to making the service
profitable is to eliminate the truck roll and have the customer do
an indoor self-install.

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home
Internet service:


https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service
- CNET

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/





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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

25 Mbps for $40/month?

Of course that’s “up to” 25 Mbps, and $60 if you don’t have a Verizon cellphone.

What strikes me is I would never try to sell 25 Mbps service with an indoor DIY 
install.

I know LTE makes everything magic, and maybe they’re using low band instead of 
mid band spectrum, but if this is targeting rural areas, you can’t count on the 
celltower being a mile away.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 11:33 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were selling 5mbps for 
$60-150/month that might change our model too.  It might only take a handful of 
customers to pay the tower rent, and you might not care if they all had garbage 
signal.

I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based algorithm) 
and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal strength because they 
can see a better speed test result if they get more bars.  They might prefer 
the modem to live in the basement, but if they get a tangibly better outcome by 
putting it upstairs in the bay window then they might do that.  Of course, 
Clearwire taught us that might also lead to tupperware on the roof.

 

On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an indoor 
LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE based service, and 
has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor antennas.  
Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely just like in the early 
days of DSL, the key to making the service profitable is to eliminate the truck 
roll and have the customer do an indoor self-install.

 

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet service:

https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/ 





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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

They're advertising modest speeds at high prices.  If we were selling 
5mbps for $60-150/month that might change our model too. It might only 
take a handful of customers to pay the tower rent, and you might not 
care if they all had garbage signal.


I'd imagine QoS is tied to signal strength (like an airtime based 
algorithm) and that incentivizes the customer to get higher signal 
strength because they can see a better speed test result if they get 
more bars.  They might prefer the modem to live in the basement, but if 
they get a tangibly better outcome by putting it upstairs in the bay 
window then they might do that.  Of course, Clearwire taught us that 
might also lead to tupperware on the roof.



On 7/31/2020 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an 
indoor LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE 
based service, and has no data cap.


https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor 
antennas.  Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely 
just like in the early days of DSL, the key to making the service 
profitable is to eliminate the truck roll and have the customer do an 
indoor self-install.


Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet 
service:


https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Angry Salespersons

2020-07-31 Thread Lewis Bergman

Gino,
I have done a little digging. The email marketing piece is run by Sierra
Pacific Marketing. They manage what HubSpot calls sequences which are
emails or contacts with prospects. The sequences themselves are manually
set up, I am not sure how they get in that sequence. No idea if they are
automatically thrown in by some algorithm based thing that tries to target
who we are looking for or what.

In short there are two pieces
HubSpot  - to handle the automation and CMS type stuff. I think the level
we are at runs maybe $6500 a year.
Sierra Pacific Marketing - $18k per year, They run the whole thing, manage
marketing, make the first contacts, qualify prospects, etc.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:15 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Lewis,
>
> Whats the cost structure for the sales automation ?
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>  [image: fb-logo]
>   [image: insta-logo]
>   [image: in-logo]
>   [image:
> tw-logo]
> 
>   [image: yt-logo]
> 
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 10:48 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Angry Salespersons
>
>
>
> What companies are you seeing use this? The reason I ask is we employ a
> marketing company for our hosted VoIP that uses what they describe as a
> "pipeline" and they reach out, using LinkedIn I think mostly as a resource"
> in a series of emails. I would hope they aren't aggressive and would remove
> anyone that asked not to be contacted. I believe the automation behind this
> is HubSpot. I have someone working with the marketing company on messaging.
> By the description of the process I think all the emails have to be
> manually input and put in some kind of order for this pipeline thing to
> work.
>
>
>
> My understanding is for us they have 2 streams or pipelines. One is for a
> "yeah I am interested" response. The other is for "No thanks" responses.
>
> We use a company called Pacific Marketing (I think). I don't know if they
> pretend to be us or not.
>
>
>
> I would be really interested in hearing more detailed attitudes about
> this. My people tell me it is working really well and there are closed
> deals to prove it is working to some extent but I don't really want to make
> people angry.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:19 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> It seems I've noted a trend with Cold Email sales, People trying to sell
> me stuff that email me out of the blue.  It seems mainly like cloud VoIP
> Providers.  Since they are cold emails, I never reply to them.
>
> They usually send some sort of Poem as the first email, with like a 'I'm
> just checking in to see how you are dealing with Covid'.  Then each
> subsequent email is a reply to the first email with the previous emails
> quoted, and the language get's progressively harsher.  After 4 or 5
> emails over 2 or 3 months, They're basically like "Buy my stuff or you
> are a bad person and I will come find you"  I never bought a car in the
> 70's but I understand this is kinda how it was.  For me it does nothing
> other than to make sure I never associate with that company.  I've only
> noticed this trend in the last couple months.  Is this a new Sales
> tactic that is being pushed by some sales guru?  It just seems like a
> strange way to try to make a sale, especially a business to business
> sale.  I'm not sure why you'd try high pressure sales when you're the
> one that came to me, and I really don't need you.
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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

Instead of a professionally installed outdoor “cantenna”, they use an indoor 
LTE modem, yet somehow it is faster than their previous LTE based service, and 
has no data cap.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/home-services/lte-internet-installed/

Yet when we want to offer faster service, we use high gain outdoor antennas.  
Either Verizon knows something we don’t, or more likely just like in the early 
days of DSL, the key to making the service profitable is to eliminate the truck 
roll and have the customer do an indoor self-install.

 

Oh, and Gizmodo had some quibbles with the new Verizon home Internet service:

https://gizmodo.com/read-the-fine-print-on-verizons-new-4g-home-internet-1844562135

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

 

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/ 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

2020-07-31 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Everyone knows that Facebook is the Internet.


bp



On 7/31/2020 8:43 AM, Nate Burke wrote:


  
  You mean Internet != Netflix?  But that's the only way you can
  tell if you have Internet, if Netflix works, on your TV, at the
  Other end of the House, Behind the furnace ducts.  
  
  On 7/31/2020 10:40 AM, Adam Moffett
wrote:
  
  

And of course, if Netflix was the only thing you used online
  then you would never be seeing any ads no matter what browser
  you're using.


On 7/31/2020 11:31 AM, Nate Burke
  wrote:


  
  I have to pay for Netflix. That's not free.  I even have to
  Pay a greedy company to get the Netflix to my house after I'm
  ALREADY paying for Netflix.  What's all this 'free' internet
  you keep talking about?  
  
  On 7/31/2020 10:22 AM, Adam
Moffett wrote:
  
  

All that free stuff on the Internet is free because of
  the ads.  You should thank me for sacrificing my eyeballs
  to keep your internet experience free.
The targeted ads provide interesting insights sometimes. 
  I buy outdoor stuff for my backpacking hobby.  Apparently
  that tells the advertisers that I also need holsters, body
  armor, and all manner of tactical bags, flashlights,
  hatchets, etc.  There must be a lot of people who's
  outdoor hobby is preparing for war.   Or do hunters have a
  strong preference for tactical styles?



On 7/31/2020 11:01 AM, Nate
  Burke wrote:


  
  People still browse with ads?
  
  On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill
Prince wrote:
  
  

You're making my point for me.


bp



On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken
  Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
I have a field tech who uses
  Brave, he looked over my shoulder while I was
  doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that
  what a browser looks like with ads?”
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing
while typing in the address bar

 

  Brave? Hmmm news to me...I
live a sheltered life

 

  
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28
  PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.
  bp
  
   
  
On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM,
  Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  I
hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all
the stuff that only works in Chrome (it
mostly does) but let me still give
Google a symbolic middle finger.
   
  Firefox
triggered me and I cancelled it.
   
  
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020
  9:18 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge
  crashing while typing in the address
  bar
  
   
  
I
  recently purchased an HP

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

2020-07-31 Thread Nate Burke

You mean Internet != Netflix? But that's the only way you can tell if
you have Internet, if Netflix works, on your TV, at the Other end of the
House, Behind the furnace ducts.

On 7/31/2020 10:40 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

And of course, if Netflix was the only thing you used online then you
would never be seeing any ads no matter what browser you're using.

On 7/31/2020 11:31 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I have to pay for Netflix. That's not free. I even have to Pay a
greedy company to get the Netflix to my house after I'm ALREADY
paying for Netflix. What's all this 'free' internet you keep talking
about?

On 7/31/2020 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All that free stuff on the Internet is free because of the ads. You
should thank me for sacrificing my eyeballs to keep your internet
experience free.

The targeted ads provide interesting insights sometimes. I buy
outdoor stuff for my backpacking hobby. Apparently that tells the
advertisers that I also need holsters, body armor, and all manner of
tactical bags, flashlights, hatchets, etc. There must be a lot of
people who's outdoor hobby is preparing for war. Or do hunters
have a strong preference for tactical styles?

On 7/31/2020 11:01 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

People still browse with ads?

On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

You're making my point for me.

On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I have a field tech who uses Brave, he looked over my shoulder
while I was doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that
what a browser looks like with ads?”

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the
address bar

Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a sheltered life

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill Prince > wrote:

I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.

On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff that
only works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let me still
give Google a symbolic middle finger.

Firefox triggered me and I cancelled it.

*From:* AF
*On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in
the address bar

I recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to
install Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on apps...I
hate Win 10...

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof
wrote:

OK, I realize nobody uses Edge anymore. But tonight
it crashes on me every time I start typing
app.preseem.com in the
address bar. Actually, about half the stuff I type
triggers a crash.

It’s not just me:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

And of course, if Netflix was the only thing you used online then you 
would never be seeing any ads no matter what browser you're using.



On 7/31/2020 11:31 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I have to pay for Netflix. That's not free.  I even have to Pay a 
greedy company to get the Netflix to my house after I'm ALREADY paying 
for Netflix.  What's all this 'free' internet you keep talking about?


On 7/31/2020 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


All that free stuff on the Internet is free because of the ads.  You 
should thank me for sacrificing my eyeballs to keep your internet 
experience free.


The targeted ads provide interesting insights sometimes.  I buy 
outdoor stuff for my backpacking hobby.  Apparently that tells the 
advertisers that I also need holsters, body armor, and all manner of 
tactical bags, flashlights, hatchets, etc. There must be a lot of 
people who's outdoor hobby is preparing for war.   Or do hunters have 
a strong preference for tactical styles?



On 7/31/2020 11:01 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

People still browse with ads?

On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


You're making my point for me.


bp


On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have a field tech who uses Brave, he looked over my shoulder 
while I was doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that 
what a browser looks like with ads?”


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the 
address bar


Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a sheltered life

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.

bp



On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff that
only works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let me still
give Google a symbolic middle finger.

Firefox triggered me and I cancelled it.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in
the address bar

I recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to install
Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on apps...I hate Win
10...

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

OK, I realize nobody uses Edge anymore. But tonight it
crashes on me every time I start typing
app.preseem.com  in the
address bar.  Actually, about half the stuff I type
triggers a crash.

It’s not just me:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar


I mean Facebook, Twitter, Google, Google DNS, Reddit, etc


On 7/31/2020 11:31 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I have to pay for Netflix. That's not free.  I even have to Pay a 
greedy company to get the Netflix to my house after I'm ALREADY paying 
for Netflix.  What's all this 'free' internet you keep talking about?


On 7/31/2020 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


All that free stuff on the Internet is free because of the ads.  You 
should thank me for sacrificing my eyeballs to keep your internet 
experience free.


The targeted ads provide interesting insights sometimes.  I buy 
outdoor stuff for my backpacking hobby.  Apparently that tells the 
advertisers that I also need holsters, body armor, and all manner of 
tactical bags, flashlights, hatchets, etc. There must be a lot of 
people who's outdoor hobby is preparing for war.   Or do hunters have 
a strong preference for tactical styles?



On 7/31/2020 11:01 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

People still browse with ads?

On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


You're making my point for me.


bp


On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have a field tech who uses Brave, he looked over my shoulder 
while I was doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that 
what a browser looks like with ads?”


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the 
address bar


Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a sheltered life

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.

bp



On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff that
only works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let me still
give Google a symbolic middle finger.

Firefox triggered me and I cancelled it.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in
the address bar

I recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to install
Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on apps...I hate Win
10...

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

OK, I realize nobody uses Edge anymore. But tonight it
crashes on me every time I start typing
app.preseem.com  in the
address bar.  Actually, about half the stuff I type
triggers a crash.

It’s not just me:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

2020-07-31 Thread Nate Burke

I have to pay for Netflix. That's not free. I even have to Pay a greedy
company to get the Netflix to my house after I'm ALREADY paying for
Netflix. What's all this 'free' internet you keep talking about?

On 7/31/2020 10:22 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

All that free stuff on the Internet is free because of the ads. You
should thank me for sacrificing my eyeballs to keep your internet
experience free.

On 7/31/2020 11:01 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

People still browse with ads?

On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

You're making my point for me.

On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I have a field tech who uses Brave, he looked over my shoulder
while I was doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that what
a browser looks like with ads?”

*From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the
address bar

Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a sheltered life

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill Prince > wrote:

I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.

On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff that
only works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let me still give
Google a symbolic middle finger.

Firefox triggered me and I cancelled it.

*From:* AF
*On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in
the address bar

I recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to install
Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on apps...I hate Win 10...

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof
wrote:

OK, I realize nobody uses Edge anymore. But tonight it
crashes on me every time I start typing app.preseem.com
in the address bar. Actually,
about half the stuff I type triggers a crash.

It’s not just me:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues

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[AFMUG] Verizon launches new LTE Home Internet service - CNET

2020-07-31 Thread Jaime Solorza

https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-launches-new-lte-home-internet-service/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

All that free stuff on the Internet is free because of the ads. You 
should thank me for sacrificing my eyeballs to keep your internet 
experience free.


The targeted ads provide interesting insights sometimes.  I buy outdoor 
stuff for my backpacking hobby.  Apparently that tells the advertisers 
that I also need holsters, body armor, and all manner of tactical bags, 
flashlights, hatchets, etc.  There must be a lot of people who's outdoor 
hobby is preparing for war.   Or do hunters have a strong preference for 
tactical styles?



On 7/31/2020 11:01 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

People still browse with ads?

On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


You're making my point for me.


bp


On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have a field tech who uses Brave, he looked over my shoulder while 
I was doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that what a 
browser looks like with ads?”


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the 
address bar


Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a sheltered life

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.

bp



On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff that only
works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let me still give
Google a symbolic middle finger.

Firefox triggered me and I cancelled it.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in
the address bar

I recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to install
Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on apps...I hate Win 10...

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

OK, I realize nobody uses Edge anymore.  But tonight it
crashes on me every time I start typing app.preseem.com
 in the address bar.  Actually,
about half the stuff I type triggers a crash.

It’s not just me:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues

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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

2020-07-31 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 7/31/20 5:33 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
How is that smaller than the current building area of counties? Some of 
those areas are huge.




PEA is a Partial Economic Area.

https://www.fcc.gov/oet/maps/areas

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

2020-07-31 Thread Nate Burke


People still browse with ads?

On 7/31/2020 9:52 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


You're making my point for me.


bp


On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have a field tech who uses Brave, he looked over my shoulder while 
I was doing something on my laptop and said “oh, is that what a 
browser looks like with ads?”


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a sheltered life

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.

bp



On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff that only
works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let me still give Google
a symbolic middle finger.

Firefox triggered me and I cancelled it.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the
address bar

I recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to install
Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on apps...I hate Win 10...

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

OK, I realize nobody uses Edge anymore.  But tonight it
crashes on me every time I start typing app.preseem.com
 in the address bar.  Actually,
about half the stuff I type triggers a crash.

It’s not just me:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

Someone better tell his staff to stop saying he's an idiot.  It seems to 
keep happening over and over again.


On 7/31/2020 8:53 AM, justsumname wrote:
that's probably totally made up smear ... like that "russian 
dossier".   Clearly Donald Trump is no idiot.
More likely, a large number of people just don't 'get' what's going 
down in America, and has been, for decades.

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:02 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


Gen. John E. Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
called Trump 'an Idiot' and Said Melania Was 'Inquisitive &
Smarter' Than Him


https://people.com/politics/top-pentagon-official-once-called-donald-trump-an-idiot-report/

bp


On 7/30/2020 1:53 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

I call it as I see it

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 1:35 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

This is not any more classy than people calling Michelle
Obama an ape.

If anything Melania is a victim of circumstance. "First Lady"
is probably not the job she signed up for.


On 7/30/2020 1:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

What's the difference between a Rolls Royce and Melania?
Not everyone has been inside a Rolls-Royce...sas

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 11:07 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

The pimp just does not do anything for me.  Now the
hooker on the other hand...
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:25 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
I have tons more
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 10:23 AM  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing in the address bar

2020-07-31 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
You're making my point for me.


bp



On 7/30/2020 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
I have a field tech who uses Brave, he
  looked over my shoulder while I was doing something on my
  laptop and said “oh, is that what a browser looks like with
  ads?”
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Jaime
Solorza
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing while typing
in the address bar

 

  Brave? Hmmm news to me...I live a
sheltered life

 

  
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 9:28 PM Bill
  Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  I've been relatively satisfied with Brave.
  bp
  
   
  
On 7/30/2020 7:34 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:
  
  

  I
hoped that Chromium Edge would fix all the stuff
that only works in Chrome (it mostly does) but let
me still give Google a symbolic middle finger.
   
  Firefox
triggered me and I cancelled it.
   
  
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:18 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Edge crashing
  while typing in the address bar
  
   
  
I
  recently purchased an HP laptop...kept trying to
  install Edge...I use Chrome and IE depending on
  apps...I hate Win 10...
  
   
  

  On
Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:


  

  OK,
I realize nobody uses Edge anymore.  But
tonight it crashes on me every time I start
typing app.preseem.com
in the address bar.  Actually, about half
the stuff I type triggers a crash.
   
  It’s
not just me:
   
  https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348923/microsoft-edge-crash-address-bar-google-search-browser-issues
   

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

It’s not, plus PEAs can cross state lines.

You’re probably thinking of census tracts.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 7:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

How is that smaller than the current building area of counties? Some of those 
areas are huge.

On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:32 AM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Well this could go on for awhile then. 

On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Here is a map I just made of the PEAs:

https://arcg.is/1qK4Hm0

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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

  _  

From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 6:11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

Pease size chunks are good right? That means I can get them cheap in the really 
rural area and may be less expensive in the metro area in the exact location I 
want to cover?

On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks.   
Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe.   

Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may want 
to form a group.   Unfortunately some of the people you probably want to talk 
with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult with the 
anti-collusion rules. 

Mark

On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing.  
There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550.  
3300-3550 IIRC

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 

  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 
304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf 
of Ken Hohhof <  af...@kwisp.com>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <  
af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”.  Does that mean not 
for us?

From: AF <  af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <  af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we expect 
more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new CBRS band 
is now?

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman < 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

>We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower with 
>120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!

That says a lot =(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave <  
dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

Mark,

 I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us 
coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my Aps to 
30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist

My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2

I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp 

We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower with 
120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!

On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

At this point it depends on what

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

2020-07-31 Thread justsumname

that's probably totally made up smear ... like that "russian dossier".
 Clearly Donald Trump is no idiot.
More likely, a large number of people just don't 'get' what's going down in
America, and has been, for decades.
--

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:02 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Gen. John E. Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called
> Trump 'an Idiot' and Said Melania Was 'Inquisitive & Smarter' Than Him
>
>
> https://people.com/politics/top-pentagon-official-once-called-donald-trump-an-idiot-report/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 1:53 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I call it as I see it
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 1:35 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> This is not any more classy than people calling Michelle Obama an ape.
>>
>> If anything Melania is a victim of circumstance.  "First Lady" is
>> probably not the job she signed up for.
>>
>>
>> On 7/30/2020 1:22 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> What's the difference between a Rolls Royce and Melania?
>> Not everyone has been inside a Rolls-Royce...sas
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 11:07 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> The pimp just does not do anything for me.  Now the hooker on the other
>>> hand...
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:25 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>>>
>>> I have tons more
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 10:23 AM  wrote:
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

How is that smaller than the current building area of counties? Some of those 
areas are huge.

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:32 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well this could go on for awhile then. 
> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Here is a map I just made of the PEAs:
>> 
>> 
>> https://arcg.is/1qK4Hm0
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 6:11:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>> 
>> Pease size chunks are good right? That means I can get them cheap in the 
>> really rural area and may be less expensive in the metro area in the exact 
>> location I want to cover?
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> 
>> You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks.  
>>  Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe.   
>> 
>> Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may 
>> want to form a group.   Unfortunately some of the people you probably want 
>> to talk with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult 
>> with the anti-collusion rules. 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>> 
>> NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing.  
>> There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550.  
>> 3300-3550 IIRC
>>  
>> Gino Villarini 
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>>  
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>> 
>> From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>>  
>> They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”.  Does that mean not 
>> for us?
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>>  
>> If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we 
>> expect more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new 
>> CBRS band is now?
>>  
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> >We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower 
>> >with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!
>> 
>> That says a lot =(
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave  wrote:
>> Mark,
>>  I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us 
>> coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my Aps 
>> to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist
>> My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2
>> I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp 
>> We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower 
>> with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!
>>  
>> On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing. 
>>  
>> Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination but 
>> they were only looking at their own GAA assignments
>>  
>> Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” to 
>> any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent.
>>  
>> I don’t know what the others are doing.
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>  
>> Not yet.  I guess that's still a wish list item.
>>  
>> On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the elusive 
>> incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in that CBRS 
>> chunk?
>>  
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz.  The only 
>> difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only.  If you request a frequency 
>> in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL operator.  But 
>> there could be umpteen other GAA operators using that frequency, so I don’t 
>> think the SAS needs to consider things like frequency reuse because they 
>> just automatically approve the grant unless it would impact a PAL protection 
>> area or an incumbent.  Also there can be a max of 7 PALs issued in a county, 
>> so there should be at least 30 MHz for GAA in the lower 100 MHz.  Not a 
>> specific set of channels though.  But again, there could be umpteen WISPs 
>> all trying to use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the SASes

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

Well this could go on for awhile then. 

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is a map I just made of the PEAs:
> 
> 
> https://arcg.is/1qK4Hm0
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 6:11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
> 
> Pease size chunks are good right? That means I can get them cheap in the 
> really rural area and may be less expensive in the metro area in the exact 
> location I want to cover?
> 
> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks.   
> Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe.   
> 
> Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may 
> want to form a group.   Unfortunately some of the people you probably want to 
> talk with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult with 
> the anti-collusion rules. 
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing.  
> There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550.  
> 3300-3550 IIRC
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>   
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
> From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>  
> They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”.  Does that mean not 
> for us?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>  
> If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we 
> expect more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new 
> CBRS band is now?
>  
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> >We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower 
> >with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!
> 
> That says a lot =(
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave  wrote:
> Mark,
>  I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us 
> coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my Aps 
> to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist
> My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2
> I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp 
> We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower with 
> 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!
>  
> On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing. 
>  
> Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination but 
> they were only looking at their own GAA assignments
>  
> Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” to 
> any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent.
>  
> I don’t know what the others are doing.
>  
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>  
> Not yet.  I guess that's still a wish list item.
>  
> On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the elusive 
> incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in that CBRS chunk?
>  
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz.  The only 
> difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only.  If you request a frequency 
> in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL operator.  But there 
> could be umpteen other GAA operators using that frequency, so I don’t think 
> the SAS needs to consider things like frequency reuse because they just 
> automatically approve the grant unless it would impact a PAL protection area 
> or an incumbent.  Also there can be a max of 7 PALs issued in a county, so 
> there should be at least 30 MHz for GAA in the lower 100 MHz.  Not a specific 
> set of channels though.  But again, there could be umpteen WISPs all trying 
> to use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the SASes do anything to police or 
> coordinate GAA.  Even in the case where there is enough GAA spectrum in an 
> area to accommodate everyone on separate frequencies, I don’t see how they 
> would communicate this to the operators, since they either approve or deny 
> grant requests, they don’t suggest

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

2020-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett

Here is a map I just made of the PEAs: 

https://arcg.is/1qK4Hm0 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 6:11:41 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far 

Pease size chunks are good right? That means I can get them cheap in the really 
rural area and may be less expensive in the metro area in the exact location I 
want to cover? 

On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote: 

You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks. 
Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe. 

Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may want 
to form a group. Unfortunately some of the people you probably want to talk 
with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult with the 
anti-collusion rules. 

Mark 

On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 

NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing. 
There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550. 
3300-3550 IIRC 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President 
@gvillarini 
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
aeronet-logoinc500  fb-logo insta-logo  in-logo tw-logo yt-logo 
www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 

From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com 
> 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far 

They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”. Does that mean not for 
us? 

From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far 

If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we expect 
more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new CBRS band 
is now? 

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 

>We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower with 
>120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! 

That says a lot =( 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: 

Mark, 
I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us 
coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my Aps to 
30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist 
My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2 
I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp 
We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower with 
120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! 

On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 

At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing. 

Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination but 
they were only looking at their own GAA assignments 

Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” to any 
request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent. 

I don’t know what the others are doing. 

Mark 

On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 

Not yet. I guess that's still a wish list item. 

On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the elusive 
incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in that CBRS chunk? 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 

If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz. The only 
difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only. If you request a frequency in 
3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL operator. But there could 
be umpteen other GAA operators using that frequency, so I don’t think the SAS 
needs to consider things like frequency reuse because they just automatically 
approve the grant unless it would impact a PAL protection area or an incumbent. 
Also there can be a max of 7 PALs issued in a county, so there should be at 
least 30 MHz for GAA in the lower 100 MHz. Not a specific set of channels 
though. But again, there could be umpteen WISPs all trying to use that 30 MHz 
and I don’t think the SASes do anything to police or coordinate GAA. Even in 
the case where there is enough GAA spectrum in an area to accommodate everyone 
on separate frequencies, I don’t see how they would communicate this to the 
operators, since they either approve or deny grant requests, they don’t

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far

2020-07-31 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

As many as it takes until demand <= supply for all counties.

> On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:09 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Round 16?
> 
> How many rounds  are  there?
> 
> On 7/31/20 6:34 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks.   
>> Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe.
>> Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may 
>> want to form a group.   Unfortunately some of the people you probably want 
>> to talk with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult 
>> with the anti-collusion rules.
>> Mark
>>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing.  
>>> There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550.  
>>> 3300-3550 IIRC
>>> 
>>> *GinoVillarini
>>> *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> aeronet-logo inc500 
>>> fb-logo 
>>>    insta-logo 
>>>  in-logo 
>>>    tw-logo 
>>> 
>>>   yt-logo 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com  | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 
>>> 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>> 
>>> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on 
>>> behalf of Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>>> *Reply-To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> *Date:*Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM
>>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>>> They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”.  Does that mean 
>>> not for us?
>>> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On 
>>> Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
>>> If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we 
>>> expect more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new 
>>> CBRS band is now?
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman >> > wrote:
 >We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower 
 >with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!
 
 That says a lot =(
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave >>> > wrote:
> Mark,
>  I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us 
> coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my 
> Aps to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist
> My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2
> I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp
> We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower 
> with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!
> On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing.
>> Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination 
>> but they were only looking at their own GAA assignments
>> Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” 
>> to any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent.
>> I don’t know what the others are doing.
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett >> > wrote:
>>> Not yet.  I guess that's still a wish list item.
>>> On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the 
 elusive incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in 
 that CBRS chunk?
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof >>> > wrote:
> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz.  The 
> only difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only.  If you request 
> a frequency in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL 
> operator.  But there could be umpteen other GAA operators using that 
> frequency, so I don’t think the SAS needs to consider things like 
> frequency reuse because they just automatically approve the grant 
> unless it would impact a PAL protection area or an incumbent.

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far


Round 16?

How many rounds  are  there?

On 7/31/20 6:34 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized 
chunks.   Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December 
I believe.


Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you 
may want to form a group.   Unfortunately some of the people you 
probably want to talk with might be in the CBRS auction which can make 
things difficult with the anti-collusion rules.


Mark

On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini > wrote:


NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or 
sharing.  There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum 
under 3550.  3300-3550 IIRC


*GinoVillarini
*Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
on behalf of Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*Reply-To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Date:*Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”.  Does that 
mean not for us?
*From:*AF >*On Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser

*Sent:*Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far
If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can 
we expect more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where 
the new CBRS band is now?
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each 
tower with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!


That says a lot =(
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave > wrote:

Mark,
 I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to 
help us coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by 
getting all of my Aps to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we 
all coexist

My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2
I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp
We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each 
tower with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol!

On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing.
Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA 
coordination but they were only looking at their own GAA assignments
Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says 
“YES” to any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent.

I don’t know what the others are doing.
Mark



On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

Not yet.  I guess that's still a wish list item.
On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the 
elusive incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the 
board in that CBRS chunk?
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:
If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz.  
The only difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only.  If 
you request a frequency in 3650-3700 you would never get denied 
to protect a PAL operator.  But there could be umpteen other GAA 
operators using that frequency, so I don’t think the SAS needs 
to consider things like frequency reuse because they just 
automatically approve the grant unless it would impact a PAL 
protection area or an incumbent.  Also there can be a max of 7 
PALs issued in a county, so there should be at least 30 MHz for 
GAA in the lower 100 MHz.  Not a specific set of channels 
though.  But again, there could be umpteen WISPs all trying to 
use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the SASes do anything to 
police or coordinate GAA.  Even in the case where there is 
enough GAA spectrum in an area to accommodate everyone on 
separate frequencies, I don’t see how they would communicate 
this to the operators, since they either approve or deny grant 
requests, they don’t suggest gee why don’t you use this other 
frequency instead, it’s open.  You have to do your own SA to

Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far