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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

2020-11-19 Thread Steve Jones

Quote the text where I said it was fraud

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:24 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Steve,
>
>
> https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud
>
>
> Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you claim
> is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again.
>
> Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting quite
> heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting their
> breath on these baseless claims.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard and
>> stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the
>> judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html
>> except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well
>>
>> https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/
>> your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges ruled
>> on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied?
>>
>> just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something
>> "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent
>> pushing a russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered
>> without evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run
>> with said narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of
>> putting rudy and joe in the spotlight
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You
>>> won't be able to because in every case so far, there have been poll
>>> watchers inside watching the count in every precinct.
>>>
>>> You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit
>>> trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers
>>> already inside. They put up cardboard because the people outside were being
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll
>>> watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked
>>> because you don't need any more inside a building than already existed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>

 Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"?

 Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay
 more attention to clowns than they deserve.

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 On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname 
 wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE
>
> It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from
> over.
> --
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so
>> thats not really much of a thing anymore
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when
>>> clearly he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or 
>>> what,
>>> but he needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not
>>> making a fool of himself for the world to see.  Of course he’s always 
>>> been
>>> a little off, look at his marriage history.  I assume since he was a 
>>> lawyer
>>> and mayor he wasn’t always like this.  Or maybe he was.  Again, the
>>> marriage history.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said
>>> and done we go the way of canada on electronic voting.  then we put 
>>> cameras
>>> recording the count tables. Golden and no need for recounts or weird 
>>> people
>>> like this team of lunatics having crazy press conferences. I think the
>>> media sent their interns instead of reporters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:35 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guliani told me I could Google Dominion and find out that it's owned
>>> by Venezuelans.  My Google seems to work differently from his.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2020 1:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> jesus christ this broad just referred to themselves as an "elite
>>> strikeforce team"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov

[AFMUG] OT

2020-11-19 Thread Chuck McCown via AF

Analogy: 2 seconds left in the game.   Down by 8 points. Trump.  Onside kick.  
Did not go 10 yards.  Time to fight traffic leaving the stadium.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

2020-11-19 Thread Robert

& as proof the other way around would _NOT_ have happened was that it 
happened in 2016, when Clinton lost the EC and _won_ the popular vote.   
Yes there were a few pokes here and there but nothing anywhere near the 
same scale as what we are seeing this year.   Come on, you cannot make 
_any_ excuse for the wall that has been put up preventing Biden's team 
from getting up to speed for the transition.   This will cost lives.  It 
could very likely be yours, mine or your or my loved ones.    I can only 
hope it's one of Trump's loved ones but they will get the vaccine before 
health care workers if they haven't already gotten it.


On 11/19/20 8:58 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace 
to the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He 
bullied, tweeted, and lied for his entire term.


If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all 
news to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on 
our allies, and shared hateful conspiracy theories.


He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do 
something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff 
than any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds 
grudges.


He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't 
show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead.


He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to 
bend the knee.


I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. 
We needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat 
but not in a good way.


Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about 
every American, not just their base.


Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a 
shirt that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS


Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local 
Hyvee with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think 
it's ok to wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but 
it's still disrespectful.




On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:




It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same.  All of us
should have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way
this would have ended well for the country would have been a
landslide for Biden.  Not saying Biden is good for the country,
but it was the only chance we may have had not to deal with this
bullshit.

If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue
with the non-stop bashing for another four years.  He would have
been declared an illegitimate president again. The story would be
the same as last time "look at the polls, no way he could have
won, must of cheated".  We would be watching cities burn right now.

If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp
would be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now.  Do you
really think Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is
the mainstream media would have been digging deep to find each and
every "fake" vote for Trump.  They would be working overtime. 
Every story would be assumed true and not debated.  No winner
would be declared yet.

When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M
votes.  That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. 
About 12M more people voted for Trump this time around.  More
minorities voted for Trump this time around.

Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing
outcome?  Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a
losing outcome?  On the plus side the scales tipped to the left,
so at least we aren't seeing the riots.

This election will never be accepted by half the country, just
like the last election was never accepted by half the country. 
Only difference is at least on the nightly news I won't have to
listen to 100% Trump bashing day in and day out trying to scare me
straight.  It was getting depressing.  Everything was bad news.  I
swear if Trump found the cure for cancer, it would have been spun
as bad news.

Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and
rainbows.  Life in the old USA will be great.  There will be no
issues.  Fox News will move right center, I don't think they will
be as hard on Biden as CNN was on Trump. Social media will be
where all the Trump supports go.  But they will be banned form the
main sites and live on the fringe.

The left has the ball.  All these problems that have been drilled
into our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. 
They have 2 years to convince us they can do a better job.  Both
the house and senate majorities are so thin, either one can flip
in two years.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

2020-11-19 Thread Robert

It was the one on election night to let more watchers into Philly vote 
counting.  Thereby increasing the chances of passing Covid around 
because they had to let them close in to the counters.


On 11/19/20 6:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I'm watching NPR as I type this, and according to the talking head OCP 
and his cast of clowns are 1 for 32 suits. They didn't mention the one 
that they one, except to say that it was inconsequential.


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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:28 PM Darin Steffl > wrote:



https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11


Zero suits in trump's favor. He's lost and no amount of bogus
lawsuits will change the outcome. His supporters will rally behind
him and say "everyone is corrupt!!! The election was rigged!!!
Biden is paying off all the judges!!! Lock Hillary up!!!"

It's like watching a child throw a tantrum on repeat, a broken
record. For all the shit Republicans give liberals by calling them
snowflakes, I see way more snowflake behavior from trumpers since
he took office.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I guess I should have said disputed.  If the number of problem
ballots is smaller than the winning margin it as a non issue.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


FYI, 100% of the votes in our county, and near that number in
the entire state of California are now absentee. I have been
registered as permanent absentee for the last decade or so.
If you want to invalidate all the absentee ballots in CA,
that would be a very, very large number.

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 5:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Every election there are irregularities at 100% of the
counties.  Every single county clerk in the nation has
unsigned ballots, people voting for spouses, people doing
absentee then voting in person.  Happens every time -
every election - everywhere.  Nothing new there. 
Mistakes are made because both man and machine make
counting errors. Happens every single election.   Nothing
nefarious about it.

Now, lets say 50% of the absentee ballots were discarded,
changed, forged whatever…  They might represent 1-2% of
the total vote.  If someone won by a margin more than the
total number of absentee ballots, who cares?  Fix it next
time.  Throw folks in jail, rend your garments, but the
“wide spread” always present ubiquitous vote fraud, was
not statistically significant to the outcome.

To launch into such histrionics over  fly specks on the
wall is disingenuous at best and an attempt to interfere
with the election itself at worst.

But we live in a world where every crack-pot on the
planet can have a platform and attract a following of
those with diminished capacities.  Critical thinking is
in short supply on social media.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 6:14 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

Not interesting.  And yes, it is totally over.  Just some
refuse to accept it.

Tantrums are not over.  On that point I guess you are
right, tantrums are far from over.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*justsumname
*Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:21 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE

It is getting interesting, and this election thing is
still far from over.

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

lol, they just elected a guy president with the same
cruelty, so thats not really much of a thing anymore

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the
public eye when clearly he’s not all there
anymore, I don’t know

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

2020-11-19 Thread Darin Steffl

The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace to
the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied,
tweeted, and lied for his entire term.

If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all news
to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our allies,
and shared hateful conspiracy theories.

He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do something
good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than any other
president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges.

He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't show
love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead.

He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to bend
the knee.

I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. We
needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but not
in a good way.

Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about
every American, not just their base.

Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a shirt
that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS

Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local Hyvee
with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok to
wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still
disrespectful.



On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

>
>
> It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same.  All of us should have
> been intelligent enough to predict this.  The only way this would have
> ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden.  Not
> saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may
> have had not to deal with this bullshit.
>
> If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with the
> non-stop bashing for another four years.  He would have been declared an
> illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time
> "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated".  We would
> be watching cities burn right now.
>
> If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp would
> be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now.  Do you really think
> Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream media
> would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for Trump.
> They would be working overtime.  Every story would be assumed true and not
> debated.  No winner would be declared yet.
>
> When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes.  That
> is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016.  About 12M more people
> voted for Trump this time around.  More minorities voted for Trump this
> time around.
>
> Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing outcome?
> Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing outcome?  On
> the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we aren't seeing
> the riots.
>
> This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the
> last election was never accepted by half the country.  Only difference is
> at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing
> day in and day out trying to scare me straight.  It was getting
> depressing.  Everything was bad news.  I swear if Trump found the cure for
> cancer, it would have been spun as bad news.
>
> Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows.  Life
> in the old USA will be great.  There will be no issues.  Fox News will move
> right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was on
> Trump.  Social media will be where all the Trump supports go.  But they
> will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe.
>
> The left has the ball.  All these problems that have been drilled into our
> heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix.  They have 2 years
> to convince us they can do a better job.  Both the house and senate
> majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years.
>
> Finally, it really doesn't matter.  Our daily lives will not change that
> much.  Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again.  Maybe
> some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future.  Maybe
> another healthcare shake up.  Maybe there will be some half-assed
> legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix.  The precedent
> was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court.
>
>
> But we'll adapt and continue moving on.  We always do.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

2020-11-19 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would have ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may have had not to deal with this bullshit.

If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with the non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared an illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would be watching cities burn right now.

If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp would be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really think Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream media would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for Trump. They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true and not debated. No winner would be declared yet.

When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more people voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this time around.

Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing outcome? Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing outcome? On the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we aren't seeing the riots.

This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like the last election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference is at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump bashing day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for cancer, it would have been spun as bad news.

Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. Life in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News will move right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was on Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe.

The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2 years to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years.

Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change that much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. Maybe some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. Maybe another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to court.
But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do.

--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote:

Steve,

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud

Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you claim is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again.

Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting quite heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting their breath on these baseless claims.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones wrote:

not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard and stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html
except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/
your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges ruled on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied?

just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent pushing a russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered without evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run with said narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of putting rudy and joe in the spotlight

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