Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[fiberrun]

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
> Not sure why UPCs are used at all since APC seems to be technologically 
> superior. 
  Slight cost differential. APC used to have a slightly higher insertion loss. 
Preference to have same connectors everywhere.


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Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

[Nate Burke]

I don't think it's a NAT problem, as the only thing I change is my 
upstream routing.  The Handset is connected via WIFI to my 4g hotspot it 
goes from not working to working just by changing the BGP Announcement.  
It's like one of the internet paths is dropping the traffic as rogue 
traffic because the other direction of the packet didn't flow through them.


I'm seeing the packet leave my network, it's just never getting to the 
destination until the inbound traffic is over the same provider.


On 12/3/2020 6:22 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
There is such a tool. There is a lower capability free version and a 
paid version. VoIPMonitor 
Tough to say what might be going on. On the face it seems like the re 
invite doesn't know where to go as there is no NAT table connection 
entry from that port to the internal IP.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


I used to think SIP was OK.  I even helped GenBand (or whatever
the Northern
Telecom manufacturer was called after they were Northern Telecom )
fix their
SIP stack.  Took a ton of wire sharking and deep packet inspection
but they
had a fault.

But I have forgotten everything I ever knew about SIP.  I am sure
there is
someone that makes a SIP tool the is like wire shark but decodes
things into
a much more easy to read format and then is able to launch SIP
packets
too... but too lazy to see if one exists.  A SIP simulator, or
spoofer or
stingray type of box.

Needs to be made out of metal and have buttons, lights and meters
on it.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 4:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

I thought re-invites were used to get the media stream to flow
directly
between the endpoints and bypass the PBX.

And if you took out the asymmetric routing, the other symptoms
would make me
think it's a NAT traversal or SIP ALG problem in the customer's
router.  But
with the dependency on how the traffic flows over the Internet, I
haven't a
clue.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:18 PM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

I'm trying to track down a strange Issue I'm having, and wondering
if anyone
has run into something similar.

I have a couple customers that I let take phone handsets home, the
Grandstream PBX is at our office.  It seems that if the SIP
traffic comes in
one upstream, but leaves another upstream, really weird things happen.

The Phone registers to the PBX just fine, and can receive calls
all day
long, it just cannot make calls.  If I take a /24 and force it to
enter and
leave the network via the same provider, then everything works
fine.  Those
of you that have multiple diverse paths, have you seen something
like this?
The Call in UDP Mode fails, the call in TCP mode will succeed.

This only appears to be an issue with the handset talking to the PBX.
All of our Sip Trunk traffic (Voip Innovations) works just fine. 
For some

reason the handset SIP re-invite never makes it back to the
handset when
multi-homing is in place.



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Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

[Lewis Bergman]

There is such a tool. There is a lower capability free version and a paid
version. VoIPMonitor 
Tough to say what might be going on. On the face it seems like the re
invite doesn't know where to go as there is no NAT table connection entry
from that port to the internal IP.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I used to think SIP was OK.  I even helped GenBand (or whatever the
> Northern
> Telecom manufacturer was called after they were Northern Telecom ) fix
> their
> SIP stack.  Took a ton of wire sharking and deep packet inspection but
> they
> had a fault.
>
> But I have forgotten everything I ever knew about SIP.  I am sure there is
> someone that makes a SIP tool the is like wire shark but decodes things
> into
> a much more easy to read format and then is able to launch SIP packets
> too... but too lazy to see if one exists.  A SIP simulator, or spoofer or
> stingray type of box.
>
> Needs to be made out of metal and have buttons, lights and meters on it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 4:57 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing
>
> I thought re-invites were used to get the media stream to flow directly
> between the endpoints and bypass the PBX.
>
> And if you took out the asymmetric routing, the other symptoms would make
> me
> think it's a NAT traversal or SIP ALG problem in the customer's router.
> But
> with the dependency on how the traffic flows over the Internet, I haven't a
> clue.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:18 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing
>
> I'm trying to track down a strange Issue I'm having, and wondering if
> anyone
> has run into something similar.
>
> I have a couple customers that I let take phone handsets home, the
> Grandstream PBX is at our office.  It seems that if the SIP traffic comes
> in
> one upstream, but leaves another upstream, really weird things happen.
>
> The Phone registers to the PBX just fine, and can receive calls all day
> long, it just cannot make calls.  If I take a /24 and force it to enter and
> leave the network via the same provider, then everything works fine.  Those
> of you that have multiple diverse paths, have you seen something like this?
> The Call in UDP Mode fails, the call in TCP mode will succeed.
>
> This only appears to be an issue with the handset talking to the PBX.
> All of our Sip Trunk traffic (Voip Innovations) works just fine.  For some
> reason the handset SIP re-invite never makes it back to the handset when
> multi-homing is in place.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I used to think SIP was OK.  I even helped GenBand (or whatever the Northern 
Telecom manufacturer was called after they were Northern Telecom ) fix their 
SIP stack.  Took a ton of wire sharking and deep packet inspection but they 
had a fault.


But I have forgotten everything I ever knew about SIP.  I am sure there is 
someone that makes a SIP tool the is like wire shark but decodes things into 
a much more easy to read format and then is able to launch SIP packets 
too... but too lazy to see if one exists.  A SIP simulator, or spoofer or 
stingray type of box.


Needs to be made out of metal and have buttons, lights and meters on it.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 4:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

I thought re-invites were used to get the media stream to flow directly
between the endpoints and bypass the PBX.

And if you took out the asymmetric routing, the other symptoms would make me
think it's a NAT traversal or SIP ALG problem in the customer's router.  But
with the dependency on how the traffic flows over the Internet, I haven't a
clue.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:18 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

I'm trying to track down a strange Issue I'm having, and wondering if anyone
has run into something similar.

I have a couple customers that I let take phone handsets home, the
Grandstream PBX is at our office.  It seems that if the SIP traffic comes in
one upstream, but leaves another upstream, really weird things happen.

The Phone registers to the PBX just fine, and can receive calls all day
long, it just cannot make calls.  If I take a /24 and force it to enter and
leave the network via the same provider, then everything works fine.  Those
of you that have multiple diverse paths, have you seen something like this?
The Call in UDP Mode fails, the call in TCP mode will succeed.

This only appears to be an issue with the handset talking to the PBX.
All of our Sip Trunk traffic (Voip Innovations) works just fine.  For some
reason the handset SIP re-invite never makes it back to the handset when
multi-homing is in place.



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Re: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought re-invites were used to get the media stream to flow directly
between the endpoints and bypass the PBX.

And if you took out the asymmetric routing, the other symptoms would make me
think it's a NAT traversal or SIP ALG problem in the customer's router.  But
with the dependency on how the traffic flows over the Internet, I haven't a
clue.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:18 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

I'm trying to track down a strange Issue I'm having, and wondering if anyone
has run into something similar.

I have a couple customers that I let take phone handsets home, the
Grandstream PBX is at our office.  It seems that if the SIP traffic comes in
one upstream, but leaves another upstream, really weird things happen.

The Phone registers to the PBX just fine, and can receive calls all day
long, it just cannot make calls.  If I take a /24 and force it to enter and
leave the network via the same provider, then everything works fine.  Those
of you that have multiple diverse paths, have you seen something like this?
The Call in UDP Mode fails, the call in TCP mode will succeed.

This only appears to be an issue with the handset talking to the PBX.  
All of our Sip Trunk traffic (Voip Innovations) works just fine.  For some
reason the handset SIP re-invite never makes it back to the handset when
multi-homing is in place.



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[AFMUG] 5.9GHz STA

[Jason McKemie]

Does anyone have an example of an attachment for the STA application for
5.9 ITS?
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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/3/20 9:51 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis



I always though the cables draped over the pylons like suspension bridge 
style, but nope, it was separate cables terminating between 
platform-pylon and pylon-ground. I wonder if it would have been possible 
to replace the cables if they were just passing over instead of 
terminating on top of the pylon.


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[AFMUG] Offnet SIP and Multi-homing

[Nate Burke]

I'm trying to track down a strange Issue I'm having, and wondering if 
anyone has run into something similar.


I have a couple customers that I let take phone handsets home, the 
Grandstream PBX is at our office.  It seems that if the SIP traffic 
comes in one upstream, but leaves another upstream, really weird things 
happen.


The Phone registers to the PBX just fine, and can receive calls all day 
long, it just cannot make calls.  If I take a /24 and force it to enter 
and leave the network via the same provider, then everything works 
fine.  Those of you that have multiple diverse paths, have you seen 
something like this?  The Call in UDP Mode fails, the call in TCP mode 
will succeed.


This only appears to be an issue with the handset talking to the PBX.  
All of our Sip Trunk traffic (Voip Innovations) works just fine.  For 
some reason the handset SIP re-invite never makes it back to the handset 
when multi-homing is in place.




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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Great stuff for budding mechanical engineers.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 12:04 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

But to have it go right when the drone was imaging the very tower...
Yeah, that's such and amazing coincidence..

On 12/03/2020 09:51 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis

*From: *AF 
*Date: *Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe they were 
anticipating when it was going to happen?


bp



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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Green always equals angled.  APC   Angled polished connector.  Makes the 
reflected photons not make it back into the core.  Like a directional couple 
for RF.
APC=Angled Polished Connector  or perhaps it is “Angle”.  That sounds more 
correct.  
APC=Green

I have heard SC is Subscriber Connection  So SC-APC  To me SC= big
LC= Small  There are also LC-APC  Small green.  Not sure who uses those.

LC = Longhaul Connector (just things people say, no idea if it is rooted in 
fact.  Good mnemonic though).  

UPC= Universal Polished Connector  
UPC = Blue

The end of the connector is straight and flat.  Like two cleaved fibers before 
you hit the splice button.  Like what you find in a mechanical connector.  Not 
sure why UPCs are used at all since APC seems to be technologically superior.  

You can have 4 versions
LC-UPC
LC-APC
SC-UPC
SC-APC

Again, SC=big, LC=small
UPC=blue
APC=green

What I normally see is blue small (LC-UPC) on everything not related to 
subscribers.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 8:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

Don't know what PC is.  LC is the teeny thing that goes in an SFP. 

UPC is uniform blue

APC is angled green


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and APC, 
so I had to look it up:

  
https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?



  They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX 
field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will 
splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).

  For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really 
weird.



  Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship dates.




  Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
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  On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and 
Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February



FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric

DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect

Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC



Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them 
with an LC-UPC end)



Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Bill Prince]

  
  
They do make LED bulbs that replicate the size and position of a
  halogen filament. I guess they cost a bit more, but they do
  provide a much whiter light output than halogen (which are a bit
  on the yellow side). They can also provide a sharper cut-off for
  the light they produce. 

bp

On 12/3/2020 10:42 AM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
My pet peeve is people who replace standard headlight bulbs
  with LED bulbs but leave the standard reflectors.  It really
  should be treated like the reckless endangerment it is and
  result in jail time.  


  On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:53
AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
  
  

  
It was part of a long list of tests
  that vendors had to actually perform before they could
  sell them equipment.  Temperature, humidity,
  vibration, earthquake, etc.  I seem to remember there
  was a UPS test where the packaged equipment had to
  survive a drop from 6 feet on each side and corner.
 
But where exactly the 50 feet came
  from, I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the average distance
  from a car window to a repeater housing in the ROW.
 
I find it interesting that I rarely
  see pockmarked stop signs on rural roads anymore. 
  Maybe it’s more fun now to play COD on the
  Playstation.
 
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle
LEDs

 

  thats oddly specific

 

  
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM
  Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

  
There’s a reason Bell
  System specs for outdoor equipment had a
  requirement to withstand a blast from a 12
  gauge shotgun at 50 feet.
 
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020
10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency
Vehicle LEDs

 

  im suspecting people with
rifles is whats causing the wind turbine
blades around here to break off. rural
customers are a different type

 

  
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at
  9:53 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Maybe it’s an FAA
  recommendation not a regulation.
 
I can also say
  we’re a tenant on a commercial tower
  that must have had a problem with the
  photocell because for several months
  it was stuck in white strobe mode.  We
  had several neighbors call us to
  complain about it as a nuisance, and
  we had to tell them we’d pass the
  information along to the tower owner
  but we did not control the lighting
  system.  If it was my tower, I
  wouldn’t want people with rifles to
  take things into their own hands.
 
 

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Matt Corcoran]

My pet peeve is those flashing bicycle LED headlights that are pointed in your 
face and brighter than a car.  You can’t even see the road or tell they are a 
bicycle until you flash your high beams and get past them.


From: AF  on behalf of Carl Peterson 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

My pet peeve is people who replace standard headlight bulbs with LED bulbs but 
leave the standard reflectors.  It really should be treated like the reckless 
endangerment it is and result in jail time.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
It was part of a long list of tests that vendors had to actually perform before 
they could sell them equipment.  Temperature, humidity, vibration, earthquake, 
etc.  I seem to remember there was a UPS test where the packaged equipment had 
to survive a drop from 6 feet on each side and corner.

But where exactly the 50 feet came from, I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the 
average distance from a car window to a repeater housing in the ROW.

I find it interesting that I rarely see pockmarked stop signs on rural roads 
anymore.  Maybe it’s more fun now to play COD on the Playstation.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

thats oddly specific

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
There’s a reason Bell System specs for outdoor equipment had a requirement to 
withstand a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun at 50 feet.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades 
around here to break off. rural customers are a different type

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.

I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a 
problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white 
strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a 
nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the tower 
owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my tower, I 
wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own hands.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in the 
90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white strobes 
to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is no regulation 
requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see much other than 
the emergency lights when approaching them at night.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are 
required to change to lower intensity red at night.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights. Can’t 
see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on.

Extremely unsafe.

The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the time

On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad snowstorms 
was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their lights. now you 
will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of it. There is no 
additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior existing lights that 
actually had science behind the color, cadence and brightness,

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
I agree.
I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had 
proposed removing all lights.

I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to bystanders.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Am I the 

Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Robert Andrews]

But to have it go right when the drone was imaging the very tower... 
Yeah, that's such and amazing coincidence..


On 12/03/2020 09:51 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis

*From: *AF 
*Date: *Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe they 
were anticipating when it was going to happen?


bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Could always go commando like this guy.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/us/washington-flashlights-car-trnd/index.html


bp

On 12/3/2020 10:42 AM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
My pet peeve is people who replace standard headlight bulbs
  with LED bulbs but leave the standard reflectors.  It really
  should be treated like the reckless endangerment it is and
  result in jail time.  


  On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:53
AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
  
  

  
It was part of a long list of tests
  that vendors had to actually perform before they could
  sell them equipment.  Temperature, humidity,
  vibration, earthquake, etc.  I seem to remember there
  was a UPS test where the packaged equipment had to
  survive a drop from 6 feet on each side and corner.
 
But where exactly the 50 feet came
  from, I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the average distance
  from a car window to a repeater housing in the ROW.
 
I find it interesting that I rarely
  see pockmarked stop signs on rural roads anymore. 
  Maybe it’s more fun now to play COD on the
  Playstation.
 
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle
LEDs

 

  thats oddly specific

 

  
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM
  Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

  
There’s a reason Bell
  System specs for outdoor equipment had a
  requirement to withstand a blast from a 12
  gauge shotgun at 50 feet.
 
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020
10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency
Vehicle LEDs

 

  im suspecting people with
rifles is whats causing the wind turbine
blades around here to break off. rural
customers are a different type

 

  
On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at
  9:53 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Maybe it’s an FAA
  recommendation not a regulation.
 
I can also say
  we’re a tenant on a commercial tower
  that must have had a problem with the
  photocell because for several months
  it was stuck in white strobe mode.  We
  had several neighbors call us to
  complain about it as a nuisance, and
  we had to tell them we’d pass the
  information along to the tower owner
  but we did not control the lighting
  system.  If it was my tower, I
  wouldn’t want people with rifles to
  take things into their own hands.
 
 

  From: AF

On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Dennis Burgess]

Another video, the one from usf.gov don’t work for me ☹ guess they don’t like 
me .

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 12:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

That all seems like a total waste. We are great at building lots of things. Not 
so great at maintaining them.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:51 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe they were 
anticipating when it was going to happen?



bp


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Carl Peterson]

My pet peeve is people who replace standard headlight bulbs with LED bulbs
but leave the standard reflectors.  It really should be treated like the
reckless endangerment it is and result in jail time.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It was part of a long list of tests that vendors had to actually perform
> before they could sell them equipment.  Temperature, humidity, vibration,
> earthquake, etc.  I seem to remember there was a UPS test where the
> packaged equipment had to survive a drop from 6 feet on each side and
> corner.
>
>
>
> But where exactly the 50 feet came from, I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the
> average distance from a car window to a repeater housing in the ROW.
>
>
>
> I find it interesting that I rarely see pockmarked stop signs on rural
> roads anymore.  Maybe it’s more fun now to play COD on the Playstation.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> thats oddly specific
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> There’s a reason Bell System specs for outdoor equipment had a requirement
> to withstand a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun at 50 feet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:01 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades
> around here to break off. rural customers are a different type
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.
>
>
>
> I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a
> problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white
> strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a
> nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the
> tower owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my
> tower, I wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own
> hands.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in
> the 90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white
> strobes to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is
> no regulation requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see
> much other than the emergency lights when approaching them at night.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are
> required to change to lower intensity red at night.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights.
> Can’t see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on.
>
>
>
> Extremely unsafe.
>
>
>
> The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the
> time
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> 
>
> crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad
> snowstorms was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their
> lights. now you will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of
> it. There is no additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior
> existing lights that actually had science behind the color, cadence and
> brightness,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> wrote:
>
> I agree.
> I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had
> proposed removing all lights.
>
> I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to
> bystanders.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
> Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency
> vehicles have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance
> and the flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely
> make out the traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance
> need to have approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see
> you, I can't not see you, now I can't see anything else.
> They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another
> strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at
> an accident scene. 

Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Steve Jones]

F that, I dont like customers

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Can I just sell specific customers to you?  How much would I have to pay
> you to take them?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>
>
>
> ken is just gonna sell to us
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:10 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
> Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in
> your area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and
> APC, so I had to look it up:
>
>
> https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>
>
>
> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX
> field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will
> splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>
> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
> really weird.
>
>
>
> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
> dates.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>
>
>
> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>
> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>
> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>
>
>
> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
> with an LC-UPC end)
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Lewis Bergman]

That all seems like a total waste. We are great at building lots of things.
Not so great at maintaining them.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:51 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis
>
>
>
> *From: *AF 
> *Date: *Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video
>
> Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe they were
> anticipating when it was going to happen?
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/3/2020 9:31 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/arecibo/
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks. I'm already committed to Calix at this point anyhow.  I guess Plume
could have been giving me a "F-U" price.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:31 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Jason, That's nuts.  Email John Booth (His first name @plume.com) and
> tell him Port Networks referred you.  Admittedly we were one of their first
> small ISPs so there may be more structure now but the numbers you are
> quoting are in a different ballpark.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:43 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> What I was told by Plume was the agreement that they have with NCTC
>> allows members to have a $2K/month minimum.  The Plume direct minimum
>> apparently ranges between $30K and $50K/month.  So definitely worth
>> becoming a NCTC member if you go this route.  The WISP pricing for Calix
>> DME is still better, and I prefer their hardware.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> I keep hearing conflicting info here.  Some say it's cheaper than Calix,
>>> some say it's more expensive.  I guess I need to reach out and figure out
>>> the cost for myself.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I like this product, couldn't justify the monthly minimum that they
 were asking though. Many times what the Calix service is costing me.

 On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:

> We are using Plume Mesh, $9.95 for base unit, $4.95 for additional
> Mesh units.  WE love them.  WiFI issues have disappeared.
>
>
>
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> *From: *AF 
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> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing
>
> What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're
> not including it in the price of service (mandatory)?
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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Gino A. Villarini]

IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis

From: AF 
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe they were 
anticipating when it was going to happen?



bp


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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe
  they were anticipating when it was going to happen?


bp

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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Colin Stanners]

Today I'm annoyed, and a bit worried, because one of our further towers
needs UPS batteries replaced... this puts things in perspective.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:42 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> WOW
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> *From: *"Gino A. Villarini" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:31:43 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video
>
> https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/arecibo/
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
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Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Mike Hammett]

WOW 




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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
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Subject: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video 



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[AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Gino A. Villarini]

https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/arecibo/



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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Gino A. Villarini]

The Plume Cloud management runs millions of circles around Calix…  Plumes HW is 
very cost effective. We are paying ~$75 for the Superpod model.  Another 
benefit is that the could platform has an Open management protocol (OpenSync) 
and other vendors have and are developing hw for it. IIRC eve Qualcomm is 
embedding Opensync in the newer chips..

From: AF 
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing
What I was told by Plume was the agreement that they have with NCTC allows 
members to have a $2K/month minimum.  The Plume direct minimum apparently 
ranges between $30K and $50K/month.  So definitely worth becoming a NCTC member 
if you go this route.  The WISP pricing for Calix DME is still better, and I 
prefer their hardware.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:56 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I keep hearing conflicting info here.  Some say it's cheaper than Calix, some 
say it's more expensive.  I guess I need to reach out and figure out the cost 
for myself.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
I like this product, couldn't justify the monthly minimum that they were asking 
though. Many times what the Calix service is costing me.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
We are using Plume Mesh, $9.95 for base unit, $4.95 for additional Mesh units.  
WE love them.  WiFI issues have disappeared.


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Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing
What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're not 
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Carl Peterson]

Jason, That's nuts.  Email John Booth (His first name @plume.com) and tell
him Port Networks referred you.  Admittedly we were one of their first
small ISPs so there may be more structure now but the numbers you are
quoting are in a different ballpark.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:43 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What I was told by Plume was the agreement that they have with NCTC allows
> members to have a $2K/month minimum.  The Plume direct minimum apparently
> ranges between $30K and $50K/month.  So definitely worth becoming a NCTC
> member if you go this route.  The WISP pricing for Calix DME is still
> better, and I prefer their hardware.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> I keep hearing conflicting info here.  Some say it's cheaper than Calix,
>> some say it's more expensive.  I guess I need to reach out and figure out
>> the cost for myself.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like this product, couldn't justify the monthly minimum that they were
>>> asking though. Many times what the Calix service is costing me.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We are using Plume Mesh, $9.95 for base unit, $4.95 for additional Mesh
 units.  WE love them.  WiFI issues have disappeared.



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 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

 What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not sure I would want any of your customers. They all seem dumber and 
cheaper than mine. 

BTW: I directed someone from near Serena towards you this morning. You're kinda 
there. I know someone else that's kinda there (MediaNet WiFi). I'm not sure who 
else would be there. NewarkNet seems too far away. 




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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:22:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ? 



Can I just sell specific customers to you? How much would I have to pay you to 
take them? 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:09 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ? 


ken is just gonna sell to us 



On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:10 AM Colin Stanners < cstann...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in your 
area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals? 



On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 




Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and APC, so 
I had to look it up: 
https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ? 


They screwed us on our optitap premade as well. See if you can find a DLX field 
install kit for ~$10. We got field install optitap for $10 and will splice 
SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC). 

For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really 
weird. 



Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship dates. 






Josh Luthman 
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 




Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and Commscope 
has pushed back expected delivery until February 

FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric 
DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect 
Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC 

Need 25 to 50 of these (they are custom as normally they don’t make them with 
an LC-UPC end) 

Paul McCall, President 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 

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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Carl Peterson]

We standardized on SC/APC (SCA) for everything we can.  Mostly because it
is the defacto standard for GPON so it is really easy to get.  The only
caveat is for optics which are mostly UPC so we have SCA - SCU 4.8mm
outdoor drop cables built for us for running from our fiber plant to
rooftop radios where we use BiDi SCU SFPs

Josh, Got a source / link for that DLX field install kit?  Just starting to
add DLX to the mix doing our own mini MSTs to group smaller buildings
together.  Would be nice to have some in stock for flexability.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:09 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> ken is just gonna sell to us
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:10 AM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in
>> your area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and
>>> APC, so I had to look it up:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a
>>> DLX field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and
>>> will splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>>>
>>> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
>>> really weird.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
>>> dates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>
>>> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
>>> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>>>
>>> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>>>
>>> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make
>>> them with an LC-UPC end)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>>
>>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>>
>>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>>
>>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>>
>>> *772-564-6800*
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Ken Hohhof]

Can I just sell specific customers to you?  How much would I have to pay you to 
take them?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 11:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

ken is just gonna sell to us

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:10 AM Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in your 
area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals?

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and APC, so 
I had to look it up:

https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX 
field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will 
splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).

For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really 
weird.

 

Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship dates.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and Commscope 
has pushed back expected delivery until February

 

FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric

DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect

Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC

 

Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them with 
an LC-UPC end)

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Steve Jones]

ken is just gonna sell to us

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:10 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in
> your area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals?
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and
>> APC, so I had to look it up:
>>
>>
>> https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>>
>>
>>
>> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a
>> DLX field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and
>> will splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>>
>> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
>> really weird.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
>> dates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
>> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>>
>>
>>
>> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>>
>> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>>
>> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>>
>>
>>
>> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
>> with an LC-UPC end)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>
>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>
>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>
>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Cassidy B. Larson]

How do you become a NCTC member if you don’t do cable?


> On Dec 3, 2020, at 09:43, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What I was told by Plume was the agreement that they have with NCTC allows 
> members to have a $2K/month minimum.  The Plume direct minimum apparently 
> ranges between $30K and $50K/month.  So definitely worth becoming a NCTC 
> member if you go this route.  The WISP pricing for Calix DME is still better, 
> and I prefer their hardware.
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>> I keep hearing conflicting info here.  Some say it's cheaper than Calix, 
>> some say it's more expensive.  I guess I need to reach out and figure out 
>> the cost for myself.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jason McKemie 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I like this product, couldn't justify the monthly minimum that they were 
>>> asking though. Many times what the Calix service is costing me.
>>> 
 On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, Gino A. Villarini  
 wrote:
 We are using Plume Mesh, $9.95 for base unit, $4.95 for additional Mesh 
 units.  WE love them.  WiFI issues have disappeared. 
 
  
 
 Gino Villarini 
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 @gvillarini
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 From: AF 
 Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:50 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing
 
 What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're not 
 including it in the price of service (mandatory)?
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Ken Hohhof]

It was part of a long list of tests that vendors had to actually perform before 
they could sell them equipment.  Temperature, humidity, vibration, earthquake, 
etc.  I seem to remember there was a UPS test where the packaged equipment had 
to survive a drop from 6 feet on each side and corner.

 

But where exactly the 50 feet came from, I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the 
average distance from a car window to a repeater housing in the ROW.

 

I find it interesting that I rarely see pockmarked stop signs on rural roads 
anymore.  Maybe it’s more fun now to play COD on the Playstation.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

thats oddly specific

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

There’s a reason Bell System specs for outdoor equipment had a requirement to 
withstand a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun at 50 feet.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades 
around here to break off. rural customers are a different type

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.

 

I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a 
problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white 
strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a 
nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the tower 
owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my tower, I 
wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own hands.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in the 
90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white strobes 
to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is no regulation 
requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see much other than 
the emergency lights when approaching them at night. 

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are 
required to change to lower intensity red at night.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights. Can’t 
see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on. 

 

Extremely unsafe. 

 

The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the time

 

On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:



crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad snowstorms 
was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their lights. now you 
will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of it. There is no 
additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior existing lights that 
actually had science behind the color, cadence and brightness,

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> > wrote:

I agree. 
I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had 
proposed removing all lights.

I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to bystanders.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency vehicles 
have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance and the 
flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely make out the 
traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance need to have 
approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see you, I can't not see 
you, now I can't see anything else.  
They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another 
strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at an 
accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but they are 
just blinding at night.  It's like they 

Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Bill Prince]

  
  
and what is the subscription rate for an individual consumer?
  Looking at their web site, it implies that a consumer could rent
  their own system. Has anyone looked into that (I avoided going
  down that rabbit hole b/c I'm not interested in their spam)?


bp

On 12/3/2020 8:42 AM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:


  
  What I was told by Plume was the agreement that
they have with NCTC allows members to have a $2K/month minimum. 
The Plume direct minimum apparently ranges between $30K and
$50K/month.  So definitely worth becoming a NCTC member if you
go this route.  The WISP pricing for Calix DME is still better,
and I prefer their hardware.
  
  
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:56 AM
  Josh Baird  wrote:


  I keep hearing conflicting info here.  Some say
it's cheaper than Calix, some say it's more expensive.  I
guess I need to reach out and figure out the cost for
myself.
  
  
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at
  10:52 AM Jason McKemie 
  wrote:

I like this product,
  couldn't justify the monthly minimum that they were asking
  though. Many times what the Calix service is costing me.
  
  On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
  

  
We are using Plume Mesh, $9.95
  for base unit, $4.95 for additional Mesh units. 
  WE love them.  WiFI issues have disappeared. 

 
Gino
Villarini

  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 



  

  
  
   
   
   
   
   
  
  

  

www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304
  Guaynabo, PR 00968

  From:
  AF 
  Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at
  3:50 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: [AFMUG] Managed Router
  Pricing


  What are you guys charging
for a residential managed router, if you're not
including it in the price of service
(mandatory)?

  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Jason McKemie]

What I was told by Plume was the agreement that they have with NCTC allows
members to have a $2K/month minimum.  The Plume direct minimum apparently
ranges between $30K and $50K/month.  So definitely worth becoming a NCTC
member if you go this route.  The WISP pricing for Calix DME is still
better, and I prefer their hardware.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> I keep hearing conflicting info here.  Some say it's cheaper than Calix,
> some say it's more expensive.  I guess I need to reach out and figure out
> the cost for myself.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:52 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I like this product, couldn't justify the monthly minimum that they were
>> asking though. Many times what the Calix service is costing me.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are using Plume Mesh, $9.95 for base unit, $4.95 for additional Mesh
>>> units.  WE love them.  WiFI issues have disappeared.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>>   [image: in-logo]
>>>   [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:50 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing
>>>
>>> What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're
>>> not including it in the price of service (mandatory)?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Steve Jones]

thats oddly specific

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There’s a reason Bell System specs for outdoor equipment had a requirement
> to withstand a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun at 50 feet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:01 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades
> around here to break off. rural customers are a different type
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.
>
>
>
> I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a
> problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white
> strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a
> nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the
> tower owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my
> tower, I wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own
> hands.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in
> the 90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white
> strobes to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is
> no regulation requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see
> much other than the emergency lights when approaching them at night.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are
> required to change to lower intensity red at night.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights.
> Can’t see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on.
>
>
>
> Extremely unsafe.
>
>
>
> The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the
> time
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> 
>
> crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad
> snowstorms was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their
> lights. now you will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of
> it. There is no additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior
> existing lights that actually had science behind the color, cadence and
> brightness,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> wrote:
>
> I agree.
> I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had
> proposed removing all lights.
>
> I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to
> bystanders.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
> Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency
> vehicles have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance
> and the flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely
> make out the traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance
> need to have approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see
> you, I can't not see you, now I can't see anything else.
> They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another
> strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at
> an accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but
> they are just blinding at night.  It's like they need to have a day/night
> mode. Who do I write a strongly worded letter to expressing my displeasure?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Ken Hohhof]

There’s a reason Bell System specs for outdoor equipment had a requirement to 
withstand a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun at 50 feet.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades 
around here to break off. rural customers are a different type

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.

 

I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a 
problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white 
strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a 
nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the tower 
owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my tower, I 
wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own hands.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in the 
90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white strobes 
to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is no regulation 
requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see much other than 
the emergency lights when approaching them at night. 

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are 
required to change to lower intensity red at night.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights. Can’t 
see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on. 

 

Extremely unsafe. 

 

The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the time

 

On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:



crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad snowstorms 
was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their lights. now you 
will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of it. There is no 
additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior existing lights that 
actually had science behind the color, cadence and brightness,

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> > wrote:

I agree. 
I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had 
proposed removing all lights.

I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to bystanders.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency vehicles 
have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance and the 
flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely make out the 
traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance need to have 
approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see you, I can't not see 
you, now I can't see anything else.  
They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another 
strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at an 
accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but they are 
just blinding at night.  It's like they need to have a day/night mode. Who do I 
write a strongly worded letter to expressing my displeasure?

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Dennis Burgess]

We already have it in TowerCoverage.  It’s a function of the EUS.   It tells 
you exactly what bearing to aim and tlit.

Example: Alignment from Client:  Align via 14.00° with 3.00° tilt assuming 6m 
client antenna height



[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:17 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Dennis,
 Simple Formula for bearing.. I would not think tilt is necessary but plausible.
We used that app for a while and liked it.
I have the formula I used to help cambium automate the Azimuth for the cbrs 
template spreadsheet.
 if u would like to have a copy i can send it.
There are also samples on the net also..
Here is a link to a new site that explains it well. 
https://www.igismap.com/formula-to-find-bearing-or-heading-angle-between-two-points-latitude-longitude/



[cid:image002.jpg@01D6C95E.96679D50]
On 12/3/20 8:56 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
We had that in our towercoverage.com android app, however we have let that app 
go as the mobile version does 99% of it, and yes it was nice, but our feedback 
was give me the bearing and tilt and we can find it.


[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I think Gino was developing an augmented reality phone app so you could see 
where the towers were through your phones camera.




On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get customers all 
the time who can’t answer questions like are you north or south of town, or is 
your house on east or west side of the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the tower, choose 
a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a tree, etc.  People try to do 
everything with an app these days.  Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails 
using their phone and a hammer app.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com is very good.  We also have our 
KMZ's on Google Earth.  But you know, there isn't much better than your guys 
just knowing where the towers are and where the customer is in relation to them.

Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just checked it.  Yep, you put dots on the map page and select a dot.  So you 
can import all the Aps into the map.  You have to actually select the dot on 
the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to that dot shows up on 
the compass wheel and it tells you if you need to look left or right.  It 
doesn’t put the dot visibly in the field of view but it certainly helps you to 
put the cross hairs right on the correct heading.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe show up on the VR 
view.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 

Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Colin Stanners]

APC is better for return loss, but from what I see no commonly used fiber
systems care that much about return loss (only old analog-over-fiber
systems?)

I had standardized our company on SC/UPC since the connector worked
everywhere - patch panels (not too tight like the tiny LC), SFPs (we use
BiDi so only need one connector, can fit an SC), NIDs.

Unfortunately, many 10Gbit BiDi SFPs are only available easily in LC/UPC.
And some GPON ONU CPEs are SC/APC. We have adapters for those cases but
it's annoying to move away from the standard.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The FS blog post seems to say PC was first and UPC was an improved
> version.  Sounds like PC-UPC-APC is good-better-best, at least for return
> loss.
>
>
>
> Are you saying to use APC instead of UPC?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>
>
>
> Don't know what PC is.  LC is the teeny thing that goes in an SFP.
>
>
>
> UPC is uniform blue
>
>
>
> APC is angled green
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and
> APC, so I had to look it up:
>
>
> https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>
>
>
> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX
> field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will
> splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>
> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
> really weird.
>
>
>
> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
> dates.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>
>
>
> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>
> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>
> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>
>
>
> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
> with an LC-UPC end)
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Josh Luthman]

APC is entirely used for GPON outdoor applications (like doing drops from
an MST).

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:04 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Why would you say that UPC is really really weird? We use it quite
> exclusively as a fiber standard, except some GPON units are APC so we use
> adapters there.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a
>> DLX field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and
>> will splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>>
>> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
>> really weird.
>>
>> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
>> dates.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
>>> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>>>
>>> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>>>
>>> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make
>>> them with an LC-UPC end)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>>
>>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>>
>>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>>
>>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>>
>>> *772-564-6800*
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Ken Hohhof]

The second one.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in your 
area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals?

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and APC, so 
I had to look it up:

https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX 
field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will 
splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).

For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really 
weird.

 

Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship dates.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and Commscope 
has pushed back expected delivery until February

 

FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric

DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect

Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC

 

Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them with 
an LC-UPC end)

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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[AFMUG] Trickbot gets UEFI capability

[Ken Hohhof]

Could be used to write persistent malware to boot firmware, or to brick
device.

 

https://eclypsium.com/2020/12/03/trickbot-now-offers-trickboot-persist-brick
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Colin Stanners]

Ken, with many WISPs getting into fiber, are you looking to do that in your
area, or does that not match the area / your corporate goals?

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and
> APC, so I had to look it up:
>
>
> https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>
>
>
> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX
> field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will
> splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>
> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
> really weird.
>
>
>
> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
> dates.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>
>
>
> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>
> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>
> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>
>
>
> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
> with an LC-UPC end)
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Colin Stanners]

Why would you say that UPC is really really weird? We use it quite
exclusively as a fiber standard, except some GPON units are APC so we use
adapters there.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX
> field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will
> splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>
> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
> really weird.
>
> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
> dates.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
>> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>>
>>
>>
>> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>>
>> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>>
>> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>>
>>
>>
>> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
>> with an LC-UPC end)
>>
>>
>>
>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>
>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>
>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>
>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Steve Jones]

im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades
around here to break off. rural customers are a different type

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.
>
>
>
> I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a
> problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white
> strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a
> nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the
> tower owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my
> tower, I wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own
> hands.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in
> the 90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white
> strobes to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is
> no regulation requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see
> much other than the emergency lights when approaching them at night.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are
> required to change to lower intensity red at night.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights.
> Can’t see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on.
>
>
>
> Extremely unsafe.
>
>
>
> The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the
> time
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> 
>
> crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad
> snowstorms was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their
> lights. now you will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of
> it. There is no additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior
> existing lights that actually had science behind the color, cadence and
> brightness,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> wrote:
>
> I agree.
> I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had
> proposed removing all lights.
>
> I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to
> bystanders.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
> Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency
> vehicles have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance
> and the flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely
> make out the traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance
> need to have approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see
> you, I can't not see you, now I can't see anything else.
> They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another
> strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at
> an accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but
> they are just blinding at night.  It's like they need to have a day/night
> mode. Who do I write a strongly worded letter to expressing my displeasure?
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Ken Hohhof]

The FS blog post seems to say PC was first and UPC was an improved version.  
Sounds like PC-UPC-APC is good-better-best, at least for return loss.

 

Are you saying to use APC instead of UPC?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

Don't know what PC is.  LC is the teeny thing that goes in an SFP.

 

UPC is uniform blue

 

APC is angled green


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:41 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and APC, so 
I had to look it up:

https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX 
field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will 
splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).

For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really 
weird.

 

Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship dates.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and Commscope 
has pushed back expected delivery until February

 

FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric

DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect

Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC

 

Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them with 
an LC-UPC end)

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Josh Luthman]

Don't know what PC is.  LC is the teeny thing that goes in an SFP.

UPC is uniform blue

APC is angled green

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and
> APC, so I had to look it up:
>
>
> https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?
>
>
>
> They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX
> field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will
> splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).
>
> For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really
> really weird.
>
>
>
> Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
> dates.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>
>
>
> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>
> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>
> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>
>
>
> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
> with an LC-UPC end)
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.

 

I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a 
problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white 
strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a 
nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the tower 
owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my tower, I 
wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own hands.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in the 
90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white strobes 
to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is no regulation 
requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see much other than 
the emergency lights when approaching them at night. 

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are 
required to change to lower intensity red at night.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

 

Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights. Can’t 
see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on. 

 

Extremely unsafe. 

 

The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the time

 

On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:



crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad snowstorms 
was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their lights. now you 
will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of it. There is no 
additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior existing lights that 
actually had science behind the color, cadence and brightness,

 

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com> > wrote:

I agree. 
I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had 
proposed removing all lights.

I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to bystanders.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency vehicles 
have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance and the 
flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely make out the 
traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance need to have 
approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see you, I can't not see 
you, now I can't see anything else.  
They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another 
strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at an 
accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but they are 
just blinding at night.  It's like they need to have a day/night mode. Who do I 
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Cameron Crum]

Wispmon had an app for installers that did this... big arrow on the screen
that pointed to the tower you wanted and gave you distance and bearing from
your phone. VISP may soon have this capability ;)

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:27 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you 900/2.4?  I didn't realize Florida had elevation, I'm surprised
> you use any elevation at all, I'd probably avoid my techs using the number
> calculated for fear they'd just wing it by what the phone says instead of
> aligning by RSSI.
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:38 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see
>> the towers.
>>
>>
>>
>> We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to
>> the tower.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>>
>>
>>
>> When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll
>> add the estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.
>> That ticket could always be pulled up.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so
>> once you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of
>> app.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him
>> to a tower, based on stored LAT / LONG
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>>
>>
>>
>> Google Earth
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the
>> LAT/LONG of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to
>> a tower from their location.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Paul McCall, President *
>>
>> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>>
>> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>>
>> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>>
>> *772-564-6800*
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Ken Hohhof]

Not being a fiber guy, I didn’t know the difference between PC, UPC and APC, so 
I had to look it up:

https://community.fs.com/blog/pc-vs-upc-vs-apc-connector-selecting-the-right-fiber-connector-type.html

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

 

They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX 
field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will 
splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).

For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really 
weird.

 

Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship dates.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and Commscope 
has pushed back expected delivery until February

 

FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric

DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect

Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC

 

Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them with 
an LC-UPC end)

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

[Cameron Crum]

I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in
the 90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white
strobes to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is
no regulation requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see
much other than the emergency lights when approaching them at night.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are
> required to change to lower intensity red at night.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
>
>
> Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights.
> Can’t see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on.
>
>
>
> Extremely unsafe.
>
>
>
> The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the
> time
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> 
>
> crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad
> snowstorms was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their
> lights. now you will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of
> it. There is no additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior
> existing lights that actually had science behind the color, cadence and
> brightness,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> wrote:
>
> I agree.
> I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had
> proposed removing all lights.
>
> I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to
> bystanders.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs
>
> Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency
> vehicles have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance
> and the flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely
> make out the traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance
> need to have approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see
> you, I can't not see you, now I can't see anything else.
> They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another
> strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at
> an accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but
> they are just blinding at night.  It's like they need to have a day/night
> mode. Who do I write a strongly worded letter to expressing my displeasure?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Josh Luthman]

Are you 900/2.4?  I didn't realize Florida had elevation, I'm surprised you
use any elevation at all, I'd probably avoid my techs using the number
calculated for fear they'd just wing it by what the phone says instead of
aligning by RSSI.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:38 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see
> the towers.
>
>
>
> We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to
> the tower.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>
>
>
> When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll
> add the estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.
> That ticket could always be pulled up.
>
>
>
> As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so
> once you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of
> app.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him
> to a tower, based on stored LAT / LONG
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>
>
>
> Google Earth
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs
>
>
>
> Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the
> LAT/LONG of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to
> a tower from their location.
>
>
>
> Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Josh Luthman]

They screwed us on our optitap premade as well.  See if you can find a DLX
field install kit for ~$10.  We got field install optitap for $10 and will
splice SC/APC on the other end (in which case you'd splice LC-UPC).

For the record drop cables with LC is pretty weird and UPC is really really
weird.

Don't expect Commscope to get any better on lead times or accurate ship
dates.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 4:21 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and
> Commscope has pushed back expected delivery until February
>
>
>
> FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
>
> DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
>
> Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC
>
>
>
> Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don’t make them
> with an LC-UPC end)
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
>
> *772-564-6800*
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[dave]

Dennis,
 Simple Formula for bearing.. I would not think tilt is necessary but 
plausible.

We used that app for a while and liked it.
I have the formula I used to help cambium automate the Azimuth for the 
cbrs template spreadsheet.

 if u would like to have a copy i can send it.
There are also samples on the net also..
Here is a link to a new site that explains it well. 
https://www.igismap.com/formula-to-find-bearing-or-heading-angle-between-two-points-latitude-longitude/




On 12/3/20 8:56 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


We had that in our towercoverage.com android app, however we have let 
that app go as the mobile version does 99% of it, and yes it was nice, 
but our feedback was give me the bearing and tilt and we can find it.


*LTI-Full_175px*

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*
Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless 
Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, 
Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer*


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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Cassidy B. Larson
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I think Gino was developing an augmented reality phone app so you 
could see where the towers were through your phones camera.




On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are
kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get
customers all the time who can’t answer questions like are you
north or south of town, or is your house on east or west side of
the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the
tower, choose a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a
tree, etc.  People try to do everything with an app these days. 
Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails using their phone and a
hammer app.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*David Hannum
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com is very good.  We
also have our KMZ's on Google Earth. But you know, there isn't
much better than your guys just knowing where the towers are and
where the customer is in relation to them.


Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Just checked it. Yep, you put dots on the map page and select
a dot.  So you can import all the Aps into the map.  You have
to actually select the dot on the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to
that dot shows up on the compass wheel and it tells you if you
need to look left or right.  It doesn’t put the dot visibly in
the field of view but it certainly helps you to put the cross
hairs right on the correct heading.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
]*On Behalf Of*Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:*Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe
show up on the VR view.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Paul
McCall
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will
point him to a tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:*Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Paul
McCall
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT... starting December right

[Cameron Crum]

Jamie sure does like to stay informed of the weather.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:00 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Are you saying this is the lady bigfoot?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 1, 2020 4:18 PM
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>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

[Ken Hohhof]

If you believe the comments (hah!) it is one of two old prototypes and no you 
can’t climb it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 6:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

 

Interesting.   But I couldn’t find it on ebay as mentioned in the  description. 
  Wonder what it costs?

 

Regards, 

 

David Coudron

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

 

Can you climb it?

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Dec 2, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:



https://youtu.be/mtIFMNd9RnA

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Dennis Burgess]

We had that in our towercoverage.com android app, however we have let that app 
go as the mobile version does 99% of it, and yes it was nice, but our feedback 
was give me the bearing and tilt and we can find it.


[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I think Gino was developing an augmented reality phone app so you could see 
where the towers were through your phones camera.



On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get customers all 
the time who can’t answer questions like are you north or south of town, or is 
your house on east or west side of the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the tower, choose 
a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a tree, etc.  People try to do 
everything with an app these days.  Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails 
using their phone and a hammer app.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com is very good.  We also have our 
KMZ's on Google Earth.  But you know, there isn't much better than your guys 
just knowing where the towers are and where the customer is in relation to them.

Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just checked it.  Yep, you put dots on the map page and select a dot.  So you 
can import all the Aps into the map.  You have to actually select the dot on 
the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to that dot shows up on 
the compass wheel and it tells you if you need to look left or right.  It 
doesn’t put the dot visibly in the field of view but it certainly helps you to 
put the cross hairs right on the correct heading.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe show up on the VR 
view.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Dennis Burgess]

Of course it tells you the degrees and angle to the tower?  Well we report it!

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Mike Hammett]

I didn't have to read the email headers to know who this e-mail was from, "My 
CFD buddy thought it was great because the governor was shipping in all kinds 
of fresh tang and every bird loves a fireman." 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:33:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing 


The justification from corporate was that healthcare is so short staffed 
"because of covid" (thats a lie) that they cant be testing and potentially 
quarantining staff all the time. If you dont have symptoms, you are good to 
work. Needless to say, im glad the wife changed positions because of the volume 
of patients who tested negative at admission but later tested positive (they 
say it was a false negative at admission) puts a huge liability on staff, 
because administrators arent the ones who get the disciplinary action. This is 
pretty much across the board in healthcare, just like the prisons, you have 
contained staff and contained residents, theres not going to be legitimate 
responses. 


Ive said from day one there should be a healthcare front line worker option to 
get infected under supervision and be listed as secure staff after the recovery 
period (assuming you met the healthy criteria for the risk) This was back when 
cook county was pulling healthcare staff from all over to prepare and had to 
stop the program because the nurses and CNAs wouldnt stop partying. My CFD 
buddy thought it was great because the governor was shipping in all kinds of 
fresh tang and every bird loves a fireman. 


Healthcare hasnt changed for me because I always followed the rule about 
hospitals and drs offices are where you go to get sick. 


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:01 PM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





And healthcare practices wonder why they can’t get people to come in for their 
annual exams and other minor stuff. 

It has long been common wisdom that if you aren’t sick, you will be after you 
go to the doctor or hospital. Pediatric practices tend to have separate waiting 
rooms and even doors for sick kids (fever, cough, etc.) and for well visits. 
Sit in a waiting room for an hour with a bunch of sick kids and yours will be 
sick in a few days. A bunch of sick adults aren’t much better. 

So now you can assume your doctors and nurses likely are or were infected? 
Sorry, I think I’ll postpone my annual checkup until next year, no matter how 
many times they have the receptionist call and harass me. 

Maybe a Zoom visit, or a robot doctor. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:43 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing 

We should start making a few million tin hats. bp  

On 12/2/2020 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 



Our healthcare system here doesnt allow staff to get tested now, they used to 
at least have them do daily logging on exposure of morning and evening tests, 
now theyre not allowed to report an exposure nor turn in the logs. Most of the 
staff is assumed to have had it now in this facility, and across the system 
they believe its pretty similar. When warp speed hands this off to the CDC, it 
will get dumb, and when they hand it off to the states it will get really dumb, 
then when the healthcare admins get their hands on it it will get full helmet. 



On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 11:23 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



They're not going to listen to you Steve. Since most states don't track the 
incidence of covid in healthcare workers, the actual number is probably not 
known. 
That said, the ones who have had it, probably know about it, so may defer on 
getting vaccinated. 
Best information I've found: 
https://www.registerednursing.org/cdc-estimates-nurse-healthcare-worker-covid19-cases-likely-understated/
 
bp  

On 12/2/2020 8:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 




I think their choice is flawed, a huge percentage of "first responders" are 
already immune from having had it already, I hope they have the intellect to 
antibody/b cell test first. 

I dont understand why they dont target the populations where the disease is 
most predominate first. When my house I'd on fire, I put the first hose on the 
fire the incoming lines will hit the rest of the structure for protection, 
starve the fuel. 

The old people makes sense, but let's be honest here, they're going to have a 
reason why the supplies dont make it to the nursing homes. 

Red cross should mobilize a massive blood drive nation wide. They test every 
single donation for the antibody. Deal should be, you donate blood, you get to 
be first in line when your tier is targeted. If you have the antibodies, we 
arent wasting the "limited" vaccines on people who dont need it. But that would 
actually make sense and actually benefit the nation. 

Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

[David Coudron]

Interesting.   But I couldn’t find it on ebay as mentioned in the  description. 
  Wonder what it costs?

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

Can you climb it?
Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 2, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

https://youtu.be/mtIFMNd9RnA
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