Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

[Chris Fabien]

Adam,
GPON is 1310/1490. There are definitely ways to overlay DWDM. We
overlay 1550 RF video over our GPON and it's probably a way wider
signal than DWDM would be.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> GPON is 1490 down and 1550 up
>
> I've been using CWDM which overlaps that.  I hadn't looked at DWDM.
>
> DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.
>
> DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that only
> touched L-Band might pass GPON through.  Maybe I've been looking at it
> through the wrong lens.
>
>
> On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
> > Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm 
> > range would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).
> >
> >> On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >>
> >> Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows 
> >> me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be a 
> >> really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why 
> >> it's not a commodity item.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Erich Kaiser]

Amen.  I'll see you at the show!

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 6:21 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).
>
> Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.
>
> That's practically non-existent.
>
> Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.
>
> Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.
>
> My County has about 34 new cases per day.
>
> On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems
> > like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Same here
> >
> > Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
> >
> > On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> >  > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
> > attitude
> >  > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
> > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >  >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >  >
> >  > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >  >
> >  > Josh Luthman
> >  > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >  > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >  > 1100 Wayne St
> >  > Suite 1337
> >  > Troy, OH 45373
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> > mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> >  > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
> > a hoot.
> >  > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something
> like
> >  > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they
> have
> >  > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
> > her hand.
> >  > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> >  > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >  > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> >  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> >  > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> >  > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any
> business
> >  > travel before June 1st, unless something major
> > changed. So
> >  > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
> > for was
> >  > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are
> even
> >  > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to
> > where
> >  > I was more comfortable in attending.
> >  > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to
> > go as
> >  > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of
> weeks
> >  > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> >  > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> >  > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in
> progress we
> >  > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
> > hold at
> >  > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> >  > Assuming everything continues trending in the right
> > direction,
> >  > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
> > August that
> >  > we're planning on attending.
> >  > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
> > mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Im waiting for vegas show
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >  >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
> > I'll be
> >  >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >  >> Josh Luthman
> >  >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >  >> 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Matt Hoppes]

I'll live my life just the same way I climb towers -- safely.I 
don't climb without a harness I don't go into large groups when 
COVID is around.


Now we'll see... I might be COVID inoculated a few more days and 
I'll know.


On 4/5/21 7:19 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).

Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.

That's practically non-existent.

Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.

Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.

My County has about 34 new cases per day.

On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems
like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

 Same here

 Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.

 On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
  > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
 attitude
  > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
  >
  > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  > >> wrote:
  >
  >      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
  >
  >     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
  >
  >     Josh Luthman
  >     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  >     Direct: 937-552-2343
  >     1100 Wayne St
  >     Suite 1337
  >     Troy, OH 45373
  >
  >
  >     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
  >     >> wrote:
  >
  >         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
  >         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
 a hoot.
  >         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
  >         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
  >         some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
 her hand.
  >         But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
  >         Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
  >         *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
  >         *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
  >         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
  >         We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
  >         We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
  >         travel before June 1st, unless something major
 changed. So
  >         we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
 for was
  >         for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
  >         now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to
 where
  >         I was more comfortable in attending.
  >         As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to
 go as
  >         both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
  >         before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
  >         really possible to get everything together that quickly to
  >         attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
  >         would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
 hold at
  >         this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
  >         Assuming everything continues trending in the right
 direction,
  >         we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
 August that
  >         we're planning on attending.
  >         On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
 mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
  >
  >             Im waiting for vegas show
  >
  >
  >             On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  >>             Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
 I'll be
  >>             there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
  >>             Josh Luthman
  >>             24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  >>             Direct: 937-552-2343
  >>             1100 Wayne St
  >>             Suite 1337
  >>             Troy, OH 45373
  >>             On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Matt Hoppes]

That is practically non-existent.. and is interesting.   Does that mean 
everyone there has already had it?


How can a county of 2.6 million have 300 cases a day but a county of 
110,000 has 34-50 new cases a day?


On 4/5/21 7:19 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).

Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.

That's practically non-existent.

Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.

Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.

My County has about 34 new cases per day.

On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems
like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

 Same here

 Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.

 On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
  > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
 attitude
  > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
  >
  > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
  > >> wrote:
  >
  >      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
  >
  >     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
  >
  >     Josh Luthman
  >     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  >     Direct: 937-552-2343
  >     1100 Wayne St
  >     Suite 1337
  >     Troy, OH 45373
  >
  >
  >     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
  >     >> wrote:
  >
  >         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
  >         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
 a hoot.
  >         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
  >         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
  >         some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
 her hand.
  >         But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
  >         Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
  >         *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
  >         *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
  >         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
  >         We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
  >         We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
  >         travel before June 1st, unless something major
 changed. So
  >         we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
 for was
  >         for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
  >         now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to
 where
  >         I was more comfortable in attending.
  >         As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to
 go as
  >         both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
  >         before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
  >         really possible to get everything together that quickly to
  >         attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
  >         would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
 hold at
  >         this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
  >         Assuming everything continues trending in the right
 direction,
  >         we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
 August that
  >         we're planning on attending.
  >         On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
 mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
  >
  >             Im waiting for vegas show
  >
  >
  >             On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  >>             Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
 I'll be
  >>             there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
  >>             Josh Luthman
  >>             24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  >>             Direct: 937-552-2343
  >>             1100 Wayne St
  >>             Suite 1337
  >>             Troy, OH 45373
  >>             On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
  >>        

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).

Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.  

That's practically non-existent.

Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.

Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.

My County has about 34 new cases per day.

On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems 
> like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Same here
> 
> Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
> 
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>  > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
> attitude
>  > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>  >
>  > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>  >  >> wrote:
>  >
>  >      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>  >
>  >     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
>  >
>  >     Josh Luthman
>  >     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>  >     Direct: 937-552-2343
>  >     1100 Wayne St
>  >     Suite 1337
>  >     Troy, OH 45373
>  >
>  >
>  >     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>  >     >> wrote:
>  >
>  >         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>  >         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
> a hoot.
>  >         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
>  >         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
>  >         some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
> her hand.
>  >         But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>  >         Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>  >         *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>  >         *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
>  >         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>  >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>  >         We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>  >         We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
>  >         travel before June 1st, unless something major
> changed. So
>  >         we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
> for was
>  >         for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
>  >         now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to
> where
>  >         I was more comfortable in attending.
>  >         As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to
> go as
>  >         both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
>  >         before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
>  >         really possible to get everything together that quickly to
>  >         attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
>  >         would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
> hold at
>  >         this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>  >         Assuming everything continues trending in the right
> direction,
>  >         we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
> August that
>  >         we're planning on attending.
>  >         On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
> mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  >             Im waiting for vegas show
>  >
>  >
>  >             On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>  >>             Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
> I'll be
>  >>             there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
>  >>             Josh Luthman
>  >>             24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>  >>             Direct: 937-552-2343
>  >>             1100 Wayne St
>  >>             Suite 1337
>  >>             Troy, OH 45373
>  >>             On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
>  >>             mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >>                 Sam,
>  >>
>  >>                 I'll be there.  I think turn-out 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Matt Hoppes]

Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.

Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.

My County has about 34 new cases per day.

On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems like 
you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Same here

Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
 > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
attitude
 > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
 >
 > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
 >
 >     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
 >
 >     Josh Luthman
 >     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 >     Direct: 937-552-2343
 >     1100 Wayne St
 >     Suite 1337
 >     Troy, OH 45373
 >
 >
 >     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
 >     >> wrote:
 >
 >         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
 >         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
a hoot.
 >         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
 >         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
 >         some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
her hand.
 >         But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
 >         Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
 >         *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
 >         *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
 >         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
 >         We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
 >         We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
 >         travel before June 1st, unless something major
changed. So
 >         we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
for was
 >         for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
 >         now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to
where
 >         I was more comfortable in attending.
 >         As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to
go as
 >         both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
 >         before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
 >         really possible to get everything together that quickly to
 >         attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
 >         would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
hold at
 >         this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
 >         Assuming everything continues trending in the right
direction,
 >         we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
August that
 >         we're planning on attending.
 >         On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
 >
 >             Im waiting for vegas show
 >
 >
 >             On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 >>             Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
I'll be
 >>             there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
 >>             Josh Luthman
 >>             24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 >>             Direct: 937-552-2343
 >>             1100 Wayne St
 >>             Suite 1337
 >>             Troy, OH 45373
 >>             On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
 >>             mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
 >>
 >>                 Sam,
 >>
 >>                 I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
 >>                 all things considering... but probably 2017-2018
type
 >>                 attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
 >>                 WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
 >>
 >>                 WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
 >>                 Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
 >>                 their deep dives like the old and much cherished
 >>                 Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
 >>                 because there are less business/accounting/HR
focused
 >>                 tracks.
 >>
 >>                 Obviously the circumstances 

Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[Dev]

Fujikura 40 S, used to be a ton of money, you can get one used sub $1500, good 
quality if you don’t want a cheap Chinese unit. The convenience alone will 
probably make you happier than you were before.

> On Apr 4, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to becoming a 
> standard shop tool are these.
> 
> Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In it's own, 
> relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc. 
> 
> I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech savvy than 
> an rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now. Probably actually less 
> inclined for error with the machines doing all the work.
> 
> We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2 were 
> short. 
> 
> I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really dont see why 
> splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
> 
> Techs break every tool they see being the only thing
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I have had pretty good luck with my Inno splicers.  The ribbon splicer seems to 
have more loss than expected.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

We tried the Speedwolf from Amazon and it was awful.  We wasted days/weeks 
trying to figure out our problems.  Tons of people have had good luck with 
various $1000 ones, but not us. 

We won't spend the money on a $1000 splicer from Amazon when we can spend $3000 
for a Sumitomo.  Not only does it work more reliably, having the pucks make 
work so much easier.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:47 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

  Jared, 

  Any specific brands/models we should be looking for?

  Thanks!


  Josh

  On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:16 AM  wrote:

If you are only doing short haul stuff or drops then you can just get one 
of those el cheapo Chinese splicers with all included for less than a grand.

There really isn't a reason to not have a splicer in your tools set if you 
work with fiber to any extent. You can still farm out the work or use pre-made 
cables, but at least you have the option of doing it yourself. The option value 
alone is worth the up front cost.
 

- Jared
 
 

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to becoming a 
standard shop tool are these.
 
Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In it's own, 
relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc. 
 
I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech savvy than 
an rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now. Probably actually less 
inclined for error with the machines doing all the work.
 
We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2 were 
short. 
 
I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really dont see why 
splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
 
Techs break every tool they see being the only thing
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Here's the deal:

Without the vaccine, if you come in contact with the virus in a high enough
dose to catch it, you're almost certain to catch it.

If you catch it and have high-risk medical conditions, you have an
unreasonable chance of ending up dead.

Even if you don't end up dead, there is a very good chance that you'll have
long-term damage as a result of the virus.   Heart problems.  Lung
Problems.   Brain function problems.

Vaccinations reduce the chance of catching COVID to something like 10% for
Pfizer.

Plus, if you do catch it, the severity of the disease is much reduced.
 All of the vaccines are almost 100% effective at preventing
hospitalizations and death.

This means that with the vaccine, we're more in the statistical range (or
less) of dying or having long-term effects from the Flu.   I'm willing to
take that chance.

The only wildcard here is the variants, and if we'll squash this before
there is a nasty variant that pops up which gets around the vaccine.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
> immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.
>
> I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.
>
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >
> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > > wrote:
> >
> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
> hand.
> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> > I was more comfortable in attending.
> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
> > we're planning on attending.
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
> wrote:
> >
> > Im waiting for vegas show
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sam,
> >>
> >> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
> >> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
> >> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
> >> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
> >>
> >> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
> >> Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
> >> their deep dives like the old and much cherished
> >> Animal Farm shows).  

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[David Coudron]

As was mentioned elsewhere in this this thread, let’s not start down this path. 
  I don’t think links like this are helpful and this is going to end up in a 
political discussion (again).

If you want to go to WiSPAmerica, go.   If you don’t want to go, don’t go.   No 
need to debate or tell anyone why.   


From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 1:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-antiscience-movement-is-escalating-going-global-and-killing-thousands/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=week-in-science_content=link_term=2021-04-02_featured-this-week=69913967=MjUwODYxOTU1OTU5S0=2100344217=MjEwMDM0NDIxNwS2

Natural selection doesn't work fast enough
On 4/5/21 10:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://shop.fctry.com/products/dr-fauci-action-figure this is what its all 
about

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:23 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
There is a lot of false reporting by fearmongers in the extremes on both sides 
of the situation.


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From: "Erich Kaiser" 
mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 12:10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the symptoms if I do 
get it, I will take it.  Thats what these vaccines are supposed to do.  Pfizer 
and Moderna are supposed to be like 80% effective 2 weeks after first 
vaccination.I am getting my second vaccination for Moderna in about a week 
or so and the process to get it was simple and well organized.  I think the 
biggest problem is false reporting of possible cases being touted as positive 
cases.



On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.

I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >> 
> wrote:
>
>  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>
> Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand.
> But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> I was more comfortable in attending.
> As it turns out, 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Jan-GAMs]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-antiscience-movement-is-escalating-going-global-and-killing-thousands/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=week-in-science_content=link_term=2021-04-02_featured-this-week=69913967=MjUwODYxOTU1OTU5S0=2100344217=MjEwMDM0NDIxNwS2 



Natural selection doesn't work fast enough

On 4/5/21 10:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://shop.fctry.com/products/dr-fauci-action-figure 
 this is what 
its all about


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:23 PM Mike Hammett > wrote:


There is a lot of false reporting by fearmongers in the extremes
on both sides of the situation.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Erich Kaiser" mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 12:10:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the
symptoms if I do get it, I will take it.  Thats what these
vaccines are supposed to do.  Pfizer and Moderna are supposed to
be like 80% effective 2 weeks after first vaccination. I am
getting my second vaccination for Moderna in about a week or so
and the process to get it was simple and well organized.  I think
the biggest problem is false reporting of possible cases being
touted as positive cases.



On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.

I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
attitude
> towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >> wrote:
>
>      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>
>     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

>
>     Josh Luthman
>     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>     Direct: 937-552-2343
>     1100 Wayne St
>     Suite 1337
>     Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>     >> wrote:
>
>         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought
she was a hoot.
>         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone
something like
>         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless
they have
>         some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of
whisky in her hand.
>         But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>         Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>         *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>         *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
>         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>         We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>         We had basically decided a while ago to not do any
business
>         travel before June 1st, unless something major
changed. So
>         we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were
waiting for was
>         for either cases to settle down a lot more than they
are even
>         now, OR to be immunized 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Steve Jones]

https://shop.fctry.com/products/dr-fauci-action-figure this is what its all
about

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:23 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> There is a lot of false reporting by fearmongers in the extremes on both
> sides of the situation.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 12:10:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the symptoms if I
> do get it, I will take it.  Thats what these vaccines are supposed to do.
> Pfizer and Moderna are supposed to be like 80% effective 2 weeks after
> first vaccination.I am getting my second vaccination for Moderna in
> about a week or so and the process to get it was simple and well
> organized.  I think the biggest problem is false reporting of possible
> cases being touted as positive cases.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
>> immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.
>>
>> I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.
>>
>> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
>> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>> >
>> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a
>> hoot.
>> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
>> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
>> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
>> hand.
>> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
>> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
>> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
>> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
>> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
>> > I was more comfortable in attending.
>> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
>> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
>> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
>> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
>> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
>> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
>> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
>> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
>> > we're planning on attending.
>> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Im waiting for vegas show
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
>> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >>

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Mike Hammett]

There is a lot of false reporting by fearmongers in the extremes on both sides 
of the situation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Erich Kaiser"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 12:10:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 




If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the symptoms if I do 
get it, I will take it. Thats what these vaccines are supposed to do. Pfizer 
and Moderna are supposed to be like 80% effective 2 weeks after first 
vaccination. I am getting my second vaccination for Moderna in about a week or 
so and the process to get it was simple and well organized. I think the biggest 
problem is false reporting of possible cases being touted as positive cases. 













On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> wrote: 


Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting 
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later. 

I'm not sure how we finally get out of this. 

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: 
> I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude 
> towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern. 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> > wrote: 
> 
> >Is her daughter still involved with the organization? 
> 
> Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St 
> Suite 1337 
> Troy, OH 45373 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com 
> > wrote: 
> 
> I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense. 
> I always got along with her just fine. I thought she was a hoot. 
> But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like 
> this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have 
> some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand. 
> But that would be mean, so I will refrain... 
> Is her daughter still involved with the organization? 
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 
> We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall... 
> We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business 
> travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So 
> we didn't make any plans. Part of what we were waiting for was 
> for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even 
> now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where 
> I was more comfortable in attending. 
> As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as 
> both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks 
> before the show. But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not 
> really possible to get everything together that quickly to 
> attend. Plus we have some internal projects in progress we 
> would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at 
> this point. So we're going to have to miss this one. 
> Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, 
> we'll be in vegas. We also have a show in I think August that 
> we're planning on attending. 
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: 
> 
> Im waiting for vegas show 
> 
> 
> On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
>> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be 
>> there. Be nice to see people in person finally. 
>> Josh Luthman 
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St 
>> Suite 1337 
>> Troy, OH 45373 
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White 
>> < dwh...@atheral.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> Sam, 
>> 
>> I'll be there. I think turn-out will be pretty good 
>> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type 
>> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for 
>> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled. 
>> 
>> WA historically has been the "engineering" show. 
>> Deeper dives. An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing 
>> their deep dives like the old and much cherished 
>> Animal Farm shows). Turn-out is always smaller 
>> because there are less business/accounting/HR focused 
>> tracks. 
>> 
>> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA 
>> has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA. I love 
>> both shows (and I'm not just saying that). 
>> 
>> photograph 
>> Daniel White 
>> Co-Founder 
>> phone:+1 (702) 470-2770 
>> direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 
>> 
>>> Sam Lambie 
>>> March 30, 2021 at 14:00 
>>> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if 
>>> there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX. 
>>> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of 
>>> times, is this any more informative and better 
>>> organized or?? 
>>> -- 
>>> -- 
>>> *Sam Lambie* 
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Erich Kaiser]

If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the symptoms if I
do get it, I will take it.  Thats what these vaccines are supposed to do.
Pfizer and Moderna are supposed to be like 80% effective 2 weeks after
first vaccination.I am getting my second vaccination for Moderna in
about a week or so and the process to get it was simple and well
organized.  I think the biggest problem is false reporting of possible
cases being touted as positive cases.



On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
> immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.
>
> I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.
>
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >
> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > > wrote:
> >
> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
> hand.
> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> > I was more comfortable in attending.
> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
> > we're planning on attending.
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
> wrote:
> >
> > Im waiting for vegas show
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sam,
> >>
> >> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
> >> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
> >> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
> >> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
> >>
> >> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
> >> Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
> >> their deep dives like the old and much cherished
> >> Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
> >> because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
> >> has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
> >> both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
> >>
> >> photograph
> >> Daniel White
> >> Co-Founder
> >> phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Robert Andrews]

The important part of that is that they are testing positive with minor 
symptoms, unless you have some hard reports of more severe cases?   But 
minor symptoms can still make you contagious to someone who isn't 
immunized or if both aren't masked.


On 04/05/2021 08:39 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting 
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.


I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude 
towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


 >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?

Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her 
hand.

But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
I was more comfortable in attending.
As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
really possible to get everything together that quickly to
attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
we're planning on attending.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  
wrote:


Im waiting for vegas show


On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
 wrote:

Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
their deep dives like the old and much cherished
Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
both shows (and I'm not just saying that).

photograph
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Sam Lambie
March 30, 2021 at 14:00
Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if
there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of
times, is this any more informative and better
organized or??
-- -- *Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 




-- AF mailing list

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Steve Jones]

[image: road to hell.jpg]

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We probably shouldn't continue down this road
> On 4/5/2021 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems like
> you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Same here
>>
>> Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
>>
>> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
>> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>> >
>> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a
>> hoot.
>> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
>> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
>> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
>> hand.
>> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
>> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
>> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
>> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
>> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
>> > I was more comfortable in attending.
>> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
>> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
>> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
>> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
>> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
>> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
>> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
>> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
>> > we're planning on attending.
>> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Im waiting for vegas show
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
>> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sam,
>> >>
>> >> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
>> >> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
>> >> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
>> >> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
>> >>
>> >> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
>> >> Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
>> >> their deep dives like the old and much cherished
>> >> Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
>> >> because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
>> >> tracks.
>> >>
>> >> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
>> >> has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
>> >> both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
>> >>
>> >> photograph
>> >> Daniel White
>> >> Co-Founder
>> >> phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
>> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Adam Moffett]

We probably shouldn't continue down this road

On 4/5/2021 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems 
like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Same here

Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
attitude
> towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >> wrote:
>
>      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>
>     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

>
>     Josh Luthman
>     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>     Direct: 937-552-2343
>     1100 Wayne St
>     Suite 1337
>     Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>     >> wrote:
>
>         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she
was a hoot.
>         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something
like
>         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
>         some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in
her hand.
>         But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>         Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>         *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>         *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
>         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>         We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>         We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
>         travel before June 1st, unless something major
changed. So
>         we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting
for was
>         for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are
even
>         now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down
to where
>         I was more comfortable in attending.
>         As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us
to go as
>         both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
>         before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
>         really possible to get everything together that quickly to
>         attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in
progress we
>         would have to put on hold which can't really be put on
hold at
>         this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>         Assuming everything continues trending in the right
direction,
>         we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think
August that
>         we're planning on attending.
>         On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
>
>             Im waiting for vegas show
>
>
>             On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>             Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know
I'll be
>>             there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
>>             Josh Luthman
>>             24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>             Direct: 937-552-2343
>>             1100 Wayne St
>>             Suite 1337
>>             Troy, OH 45373
>>             On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
>>             mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Sam,
>>
>>                 I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty
good
>>                 all things considering... but probably
2017-2018 type
>>                 attendance levels than what WISPA was
projecting for
>>                 WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
>>
>>                 WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
>>                 Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors
doing
>>                 their deep dives like the old and much cherished
>>                 Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
>>                 because there are less business/accounting/HR
focused
>>                 tracks.
>>
>>                 Obviously the circumstances could be better -
but WA
>>                 has a very different feel than 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Josh Luthman]

a) it's 80-95% effective
b) it takes two weeks after the second dose (moderna & pfizer) to build
this immunity

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
> immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.
>
> I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.
>
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >
> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > > wrote:
> >
> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
> hand.
> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> > I was more comfortable in attending.
> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
> > we're planning on attending.
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
> wrote:
> >
> > Im waiting for vegas show
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sam,
> >>
> >> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
> >> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
> >> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
> >> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
> >>
> >> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
> >> Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
> >> their deep dives like the old and much cherished
> >> Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
> >> because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
> >> has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
> >> both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
> >>
> >> photograph
> >> Daniel White
> >> Co-Founder
> >> phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
> >> direct:+1 (702) 470-2766
> >>
> >>> Sam Lambie
> >>> March 30, 2021 at 14:00
> >>> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if
> >>> there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Josh Luthman]

Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems like
you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Same here
>
> Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
>
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman  > > wrote:
> >
> >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >
> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > > wrote:
> >
> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> > I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her
> hand.
> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> > travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> > we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> > I was more comfortable in attending.
> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
> > before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to
> > attend.Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
> > this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
> > we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
> > we're planning on attending.
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
> wrote:
> >
> > Im waiting for vegas show
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
> >> there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Sam,
> >>
> >> I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
> >> all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
> >> attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
> >> WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.
> >>
> >> WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
> >> Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
> >> their deep dives like the old and much cherished
> >> Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
> >> because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
> >> has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
> >> both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
> >>
> >> photograph
> >> Daniel White
> >> Co-Founder
> >> phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
> >> direct:+1 (702) 470-2766
> >>
> >>> Sam Lambie
> >>> March 30, 2021 at 14:00
> >>> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if
> >>> there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
> >>> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of
> >>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Adam Moffett]

When I got my shots there were hundreds of people at the vaccination 
site, and it's 10-14 days after the second shot that you have maximum 
effect.  So I've definitely wondered how many people end up getting 
infected at the vaccination site.



On 4/5/2021 11:39 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting 
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.


I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude 
towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> 
wrote:


 >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?

    Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

    Josh Luthman
    24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373


    On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

    I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
    I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a 
hoot.

    But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
    this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
    some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her 
hand.

    But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
    Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
    *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
    *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
    We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
    We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
    travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
    we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
    for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
    now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
    I was more comfortable in attending.
    As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
    both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
    before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
    really possible to get everything together that quickly to
    attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
    would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
    this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
    Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
    we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
    we're planning on attending.
    On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  
wrote:


    Im waiting for vegas show


    On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

    Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
    there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
    Josh Luthman
    24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373
    On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
     wrote:

    Sam,

    I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
    all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
    attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
    WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

    WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
    Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
    their deep dives like the old and much cherished
    Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
    because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
    tracks.

    Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
    has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA. I love
    both shows (and I'm not just saying that).

    photograph
    Daniel White
    Co-Founder
    phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
    direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


    Sam Lambie
    March 30, 2021 at 14:00
    Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if
    there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
    I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of
    times, is this any more informative and better
    organized or??
    --     --     *Sam Lambie*
    Taosnet Wireless Tech.
    575-758-7598 Office
    www.Taosnet.com 




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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Matt Hoppes]

Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting 
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.


I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude 
towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman > wrote:


 >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?

Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand.
But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
I was more comfortable in attending.
As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
really possible to get everything together that quickly to
attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
we're planning on attending.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  wrote:

Im waiting for vegas show


On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
 wrote:

Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
their deep dives like the old and much cherished
Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
both shows (and I'm not just saying that).

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Sam Lambie
March 30, 2021 at 14:00
Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if
there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of
times, is this any more informative and better
organized or??
-- 
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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 




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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Matt Hoppes]

Same here

Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude 
towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman > wrote:


 >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?

Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand.
But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
I was more comfortable in attending.
As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as
both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks
before the show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not
really possible to get everything together that quickly to
attend.    Plus we have some internal projects in progress we
would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction,
we'll be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that
we're planning on attending.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  wrote:

Im waiting for vegas show


On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White
 wrote:

Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good
all things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type
attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting for
WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show.
Deeper dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing
their deep dives like the old and much cherished
Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller
because there are less business/accounting/HR focused
tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA
has a very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love
both shows (and I'm not just saying that).

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone:+1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Sam Lambie
March 30, 2021 at 14:00
Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if
there will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of
times, is this any more informative and better
organized or??
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Sam Lambie]

I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>
> Yes.  https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
>>
>> I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
>>
>> But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like this:  No
>> way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have some broad walking the
>> floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand.
>>
>> But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
>>
>> Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>>
>> We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
>>
>> We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel before
>> June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make any
>> plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to settle
>> down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to reduce my
>> risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending.
>>
>> As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both
>> Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the show.
>> But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get everything
>> together that quickly to attend.Plus we have some internal projects in
>> progress we would have to put on hold which can't really be put on hold at
>> this point.   So we're going to have to miss this one.
>>
>> Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll be
>> in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that we're planning on
>> attending.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave  wrote:
>>
>>> Im waiting for vegas show
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there.  Be
>>> nice to see people in person finally.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>>>
 Sam,

 I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things
 considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what
 WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

 WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives.  An
 "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and much
 cherished Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller because there are
 less business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

 Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very
 different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not just
 saying that).

 [image: photograph]
 Daniel White
 Co-Founder
 phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766

 Sam Lambie
 March 30, 2021 at 14:00
 Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a
 crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
 I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any
 more informative and better organized or??



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Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Fiberrun,

We have a couple of inno splicers that we like.

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Monday, April 5, 2021, 10:46:59 AM, you wrote:

fmc> I've used a Signal Fire splicer, one of the series 7 models. It
fmc> works, but the app is a bit annoying. Haven't tried any other
fmc> Chinese vendors. Came in a case with tools.

fmc> It's fine for burning the occasional single.

fmc> http://www.signalfiresplicer.com/
fmc>  

fmc> - Jared
fmc>  
fmc>  

fmc> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021
fmc> From: "Josh Baird" 
fmc> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
fmc> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

fmc> Jared,
fmc>  
fmc> Any specific brands/models we should be looking for?
fmc> Thanks!
fmc>  
fmc> Josh 

fmc> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:16 AM
fmc> mailto:fiber...@mail.com]> wrote:If you are
fmc> only doing short haul stuff or drops then you can just get one of
fmc> those el cheapo Chinese splicers with all included for less than a grand.

fmc> There really isn't a reason to not have a splicer in your tools
fmc> set if you work with fiber to any extent. You can still farm out
fmc> the work or use pre-made cables, but at least you have the option
fmc> of doing it yourself. The option value alone is worth the up front cost.
fmc>  

fmc> - Jared
fmc>  
fmc>  

fmc> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021
fmc> From: "Steve Jones"
fmc> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com]>
fmc> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
fmc> mailto:af@af.afmug.com]>
fmc> Subject: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

fmc> Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to
fmc> becoming a standard shop tool are these.
fmc>  
fmc> Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In
fmc> it's own, relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc. 
fmc>  
fmc> I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech
fmc> savvy than an rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now.
fmc> Probably actually less inclined for error with the machines doing all the 
work.
fmc>  
fmc> We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2 
were short. 
fmc>  
fmc> I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really
fmc> dont see why splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
fmc>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[fiberrun]

I've used a Signal Fire splicer, one of the series 7 models. It works, but the 
app is a bit annoying. Haven't tried any other Chinese vendors. Came in a case 
with tools.

It's fine for burning the occasional single.

http://www.signalfiresplicer.com/
 

- Jared
 
 

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021
From: "Josh Baird" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

Jared,
 
Any specific brands/models we should be looking for?
Thanks!
 
Josh 

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:16 AM mailto:fiber...@mail.com]> 
wrote:If you are only doing short haul stuff or drops then you can just get one 
of those el cheapo Chinese splicers with all included for less than a grand.

There really isn't a reason to not have a splicer in your tools set if you work 
with fiber to any extent. You can still farm out the work or use pre-made 
cables, but at least you have the option of doing it yourself. The option value 
alone is worth the up front cost.
 

- Jared
 
 

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Subject: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to becoming a standard 
shop tool are these.
 
Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In it's own, 
relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc. 
 
I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech savvy than an 
rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now. Probably actually less inclined 
for error with the machines doing all the work.
 
We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2 were 
short. 
 
I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really dont see why 
splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[James Howard]

I was out chatting with the farmer at one of our tower sites on a grain leg 
about a week ago and he told me that he had a pair of Ospreys build a nest on 
the top of the leg last year.  He said he called a friend of his at the DNR and 
talked to him about it.  The DNR guy said that if there are no eggs he was fine 
to tear it down but if there are eggs he needed to wait till they hatched and 
left before tearing it down.  He had his nephew climb up and there was an egg 
but the egg had a hole in it so they took pictures and sent to the DNR.  The 
DNR said that the birds often puncture their own eggs trying to move them 
around in the nest but since that was the only egg in the nest he was fine to 
take the whole nest down.  He said he threw it all off and put an orange cone 
up there which has kept them off so far.   As mentioned earlier, there are 
federal and state regulations so your mileage may vary depending on how your 
state (or possibly even who you talk to at the state).

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 10:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers


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 I wouldn't want it coming after me even if I were on the ground let alone a 
ladder!  Most birds will defend their nest.  Get an outdoor speaker, mount it 
as close as you can get it to the nest and play a looped recording of a yapping 
chihuahua.  Birds don't stay around where they can't listen and talk to each 
other, even anti-social ones like raptors I think wouldn't like it.  These are 
a world-wide species, why is it protected?
On 4/2/21 7:15 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are building 
a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a protected bird, 
I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the 
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't 
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a 
few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear 
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?



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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Matt Hoppes]

I'd rather have huge terminals though =\   so much easier to just deal 
with bare wire that gets screwed in.


On 4/5/21 10:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'm sometimes guilty of harping on a small detail that bothers me.  I 
think you're doing the same right now.  None of this is objectively a 
big deal.


I have done something similar to Gino on the LTE deployments where 
Telrad used a 4-wire connector.  I.E.: Use a surge suppressor or other 
connection point to transition from 4 wires to 2 wires.  You do have to 
up-size the two wires appropriately.


I can't speak for Cambium as to why they chose a 4-wire connectorbut 
use a DC wire size calculator and consider the more extreme cases with a 
tower deployment.  4-wire lets you reduce the wire size two steps 
compared to 2-wire. So 10ga becomes 14ga, etc.  I'd guess they were 
trying to avoid putting huge terminals on the radio head.


-Adam



On 4/5/2021 9:53 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

The issue with 4 wire:

1) It's stupid -- whatever I can do with 4 wire I should be able to do 
with 2 wire.


2) The connectors are extremely small, to the point they are hard to 
work with and more things to break.


3) It's not standard red/black, so more chance for someone to wire 
something up wrong


4) More connectors to go bad.  And small wire on each of them. More 
things to break down the road.


On 4/2/21 5:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

What's the issue with 4 wires?


On 4/2/2021 4:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's 
got some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do 
away with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or 
something is the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 
450M?  Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode 
SFP and does it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my 
first one and I want to make sure I have everything in-place.










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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Adam Moffett]

I'm sometimes guilty of harping on a small detail that bothers me.  I 
think you're doing the same right now.  None of this is objectively a 
big deal.


I have done something similar to Gino on the LTE deployments where 
Telrad used a 4-wire connector.  I.E.: Use a surge suppressor or other 
connection point to transition from 4 wires to 2 wires.  You do have to 
up-size the two wires appropriately.


I can't speak for Cambium as to why they chose a 4-wire connectorbut 
use a DC wire size calculator and consider the more extreme cases with a 
tower deployment.  4-wire lets you reduce the wire size two steps 
compared to 2-wire. So 10ga becomes 14ga, etc.  I'd guess they were 
trying to avoid putting huge terminals on the radio head.


-Adam



On 4/5/2021 9:53 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

The issue with 4 wire:

1) It's stupid -- whatever I can do with 4 wire I should be able to do 
with 2 wire.


2) The connectors are extremely small, to the point they are hard to 
work with and more things to break.


3) It's not standard red/black, so more chance for someone to wire 
something up wrong


4) More connectors to go bad.  And small wire on each of them. More 
things to break down the road.


On 4/2/21 5:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

What's the issue with 4 wires?


On 4/2/2021 4:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's 
got some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do 
away with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or 
something is the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 
450M?  Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode 
SFP and does it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my 
first one and I want to make sure I have everything in-place.








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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Josh Baird]

Are you just looking at the picture or something?  It's 4C.  Check the
specs.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> That only appears to have 3 cables in it?
>
> On 4/2/21 6:24 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
> > Power really isn't a pain in the ass.  Just use this (which is what Josh
> > L. linked):
> >
> >
> https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc
> >
> > You don't need to buy special glands either.  Just buy the package of
> > glands that Cambium sells.  They work fine.
> >
> > Fiberstore generic SFPs work fine.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.
> >
> > Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
> > pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.
> >
> > Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's
> got
> > some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
> > with the 4 wire.
> >
> > You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or
> > something is
> > the part number).
> >
> > On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >  > What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz
> > 450M?
> >  > Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP
> > and does
> >  > it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and
> > I want
> >  > to make sure I have everything in-place.
> >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Matt Hoppes]

That only appears to have 3 cables in it?

On 4/2/21 6:24 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Power really isn't a pain in the ass.  Just use this (which is what Josh 
L. linked):


https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc

You don't need to buy special glands either.  Just buy the package of 
glands that Cambium sells.  They work fine.


Fiberstore generic SFPs work fine.


On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.

Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got
some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
with the 4 wire.

You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or
something is
the part number).

On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
 > What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz
450M?
 > Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP
and does
 > it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and
I want
 > to make sure I have everything in-place.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Matt Hoppes]

The issue with 4 wire:

1) It's stupid -- whatever I can do with 4 wire I should be able to do 
with 2 wire.


2) The connectors are extremely small, to the point they are hard to 
work with and more things to break.


3) It's not standard red/black, so more chance for someone to wire 
something up wrong


4) More connectors to go bad.  And small wire on each of them.   More 
things to break down the road.


On 4/2/21 5:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

What's the issue with 4 wires?


On 4/2/2021 4:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells 
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.


Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's 
got some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do 
away with the 4 wire.


You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or something 
is the part number).


On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz 
450M?  Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode 
SFP and does it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first 
one and I want to make sure I have everything in-place.








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Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

[Matt Hoppes]

Tell me more about this jumper please.  By far the worst part of these 
radios is the power wire.


On 4/3/21 6:28 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
We have run the numbers and the most cost-efficient kit we have found is 
this setup with individual runs per AP:


FS FTTA Armored Fiber https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856

Direct Burial 14/2 Wire 
https://www.parts-express.com/JSC-Wire-1000-ft.-14-AWG-Direct-Burial-Speaker-Lighting-Wire-100-784


Transtector DC Surge SS https://www.winncom.com/en/products/1101-1110

Custom 4 wire to 4 pin molex Jumper (ISP Supplies) or make you own

The Transtector allows you to transition from the 2 wire main feed to a 
4 wire jumper into the Medusa and it’s easier to troubleshoot or field 
replace.


We would love to have a nice hybrid solution but all of them are 2x the 
cost


Cost Matrix:



100'



200'



300'

FS Armored Fiber



$   39.00



  $   64.00



  $   89.00

14/2 Power Cable



$   33.00



  $   66.00



  $   99.00

Transector SS



$ 150.00



  $ 150.00



  $ 150.00

Custom DC Jumper



$   20.00



  $   20.00



  $   20.00



$ 242.00



  $ 280.00



  $ 338.00







2 Sector



$ 484.00



  $ 560.00



  $ 676.00

3 Sector



$ 726.00



  $ 840.00



  $  1,014.00

4 Sector



$ 968.00



  $  1,120.00



  $  1,352.00

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*Date: *Friday, April 2, 2021 at 5:02 PM
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3GHz 450M Cabling

*[https://www.wireandcableyourway.com/18-4c-thhn-pvc-tray-cable.html?fbclid=IwAR3Uzvs2Ooe-7btY6nMI-yzr0nrbG_WIJb4RqyzgxgJjc3Ay-YNEK0NF0Oc 
18awg4c cable]
*[https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Singlemode-Outdoor-Armored-Preterminated-Fiber 
preterminated fiber]
*[https://www.amazon.com/Molex-63811-1000-Service-Grade-Crimping/dp/B00OVF2AKI 
Molex 63811-1000 crimper]
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Molex 11-03-0044 extractor]
*[https://www.fs.com/products/97935.html Armored UV resistant 1m armored 
patch cable dual duplex LC UPC]
*[https://www.streakwave.com/cambium-n00l140a-silver-rj-45-gland-spare-pg16-long 
N00L140A SFP glands]


We use FS bidi that we've got a shelf of already.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


We are using Ubiquiti SM Bi-Di SFPs... work great.

Fiber, I'm using fiber from Benton Cook at CTI.  Lanshack also sells
pre-terminated outdoor micro armored.

Power -- is a pain in the backside.   Talk to Benton at CTI... he's got
some cheaper Belden cable... but seriously, Cambium needs to do away
with the 4 wire.

You will need to buy special glands for the fiber (PG-13 or
something is
the part number).

On 4/2/21 3:34 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
 > What are you guys using for fiber and power cabling to the 3GHz
450M?
 > Is part C65L008A the correct number for the single mode SFP
and does
 > it come with the gland and licenses? Putting up my first one and
I want
 > to make sure I have everything in-place.
 >

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Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[Josh Luthman]

We tried the Speedwolf from Amazon and it was awful.  We wasted days/weeks
trying to figure out our problems.  Tons of people have had good luck with
various $1000 ones, but not us.

We won't spend the money on a $1000 splicer from Amazon when we can spend
$3000 for a Sumitomo.  Not only does it work more reliably, having the
pucks make work so much easier.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:47 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Jared,
>
> Any specific brands/models we should be looking for?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Josh
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:16 AM  wrote:
>
>> If you are only doing short haul stuff or drops then you can just get one
>> of those el cheapo Chinese splicers with all included for less than a grand.
>>
>> There really isn't a reason to not have a splicer in your tools set if
>> you work with fiber to any extent. You can still farm out the work or use
>> pre-made cables, but at least you have the option of doing it yourself. The
>> option value alone is worth the up front cost.
>>
>>
>> - Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase
>>
>> Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to becoming a
>> standard shop tool are these.
>>
>> Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In it's own,
>> relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc.
>>
>> I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech savvy
>> than an rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now. Probably actually
>> less inclined for error with the machines doing all the work.
>>
>> We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2
>> were short.
>>
>> I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really dont see why
>> splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
>>
>> Techs break every tool they see being the only thing
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[Josh Baird]

Jared,

Any specific brands/models we should be looking for?

Thanks!

Josh

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:16 AM  wrote:

> If you are only doing short haul stuff or drops then you can just get one
> of those el cheapo Chinese splicers with all included for less than a grand.
>
> There really isn't a reason to not have a splicer in your tools set if you
> work with fiber to any extent. You can still farm out the work or use
> pre-made cables, but at least you have the option of doing it yourself. The
> option value alone is worth the up front cost.
>
>
> - Jared
>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase
>
> Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to becoming a
> standard shop tool are these.
>
> Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In it's own,
> relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc.
>
> I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech savvy
> than an rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now. Probably actually
> less inclined for error with the machines doing all the work.
>
> We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2
> were short.
>
> I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really dont see why
> splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
>
> Techs break every tool they see being the only thing
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

[fiberrun]

If you are only doing short haul stuff or drops then you can just get one of 
those el cheapo Chinese splicers with all included for less than a grand.

There really isn't a reason to not have a splicer in your tools set if you work 
with fiber to any extent. You can still farm out the work or use pre-made 
cables, but at least you have the option of doing it yourself. The option value 
alone is worth the up front cost.
 

- Jared
 
 

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Splicer purchase

Since fusion splicers arent 5 figures anymore, how close to becoming a standard 
shop tool are these.
 
Depending on circumstances we will pay 20 to 70 per splice. In it's own, 
relatively cheap, but then theres setup fees, trip charge, etc. 
 
I'm at a point where I dont see the process being much more tech savvy than an 
rj45 with as dummy proof as splicers are now. Probably actually less inclined 
for error with the machines doing all the work.
 
We bought 8 licences links, none of the premade cables were spot on, 2 were 
short. 
 
I'm just looking for any reason not to get one, but I really dont see why 
splicing isnt something we arent doing in house.
 
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