date:20220120

I went through three !! of these cheep tablets..   Each one died with 
screen failure..  Two different makers, one Samsung..  I gave up because 
they died after I had put all my access info in them and did not want to 
send them in and have someone have access to all my android account 
info...   So they are gun fodder waiting the next trip into the woods... 
Changed to an apple for reliability...


On 1/20/22 10:14 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I wanted something cheap and small.  The tablet was only $120.  I've 
thought about getting a chromebook for a field laptop, but I think 
they all need Ethernet dongles.  Which would work, but is just another 
thing bopping around in the truck.


On 1/20/2022 11:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would not buy an "Android tablet" any longer. Much (much!) better 
to get a Chromebook. They really do run current versions of Android, 
and the ones with detachable keyboards are just great. Do not believe 
the (old, tired) comments that Chromebooks are only a browser. They 
are much, much more, and have evolved tremendously over the last few 
years.



bp


On 1/20/2022 9:48 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I recently got a small tablet (Samsung Tab A, 10.1") to watch videos 
while traveling.  It works fine for everything that I do on it, 
except for Microsoft RDP.  The RDP Client works perfectly on my 
Pixel5 phone, but when I connect with the tablet, all the screen 
updates are seconds delayed.


Googling for fixes, everything is based around problems connecting. 
It connects fine, it's just unusably slow.  Could it be because the 
CPU of the tablet just can't handle it?  It seems like it shouldn't 
be any more cpu intensive than watching a video.  These are the only 
2 android devices I have though, just my phone and tablet, so I have 
no other android testing options. I normally RDP from my laptop or 
Phone, but every now and then I'd like to RDP without pulling the 
laptop out, but want a screen bigger than my phone.










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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Unless it's Solar, in which case you need to spread the sunk cost over 
the time of return, which can get darn cheap!!


On 1/20/22 7:46 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half 
that of electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that 
again.  So natural gas vs electric heat pump for heating would 
probably be the same energy cost.

*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more 
heat per watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to 
heat pumps for the heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater 
for 36 hours and still leave you with enough battery to get home in 
many cases.

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 
400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 
1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off 
grid...   And no a/c in the summer...


On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar 
for $300.  Is it the decal? Hood ornament?


On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat 
output to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another
in the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the sunbelt
of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of
110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner...    I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread castarritt

It is a decent amount of air that needs to be exchanged, but in a passive
house, it is done through a heat exchanger to recover some of the heat
being exhausted rather than just letting it leak out various openings.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:34 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> The rate at which outdoor air replaces indoor air is described as the air
> exchange rate.  ASHRAE  (formerly called the American Society of Heating,
> Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers) recommends (in its Standard
> 62.2-2016, *"Ventilation and Acceptable Indoor Air Quality in Residential
> Buildings"*) that homes receive 0.35 air changes per hour  but not less
> than 15 cubic feet of air per minute (cfm) per person. as the minimum
> ventilation rates in residential buildings in order to provide IAQ that is
> acceptable to human occupants and that minimizes adverse health effects.
> ASHRAE also suggests intermittent exhaust capacities for kitchens and
> bathroom exhaust to help control pollutant levels and moisture in those
> rooms. ASHRAE also notes that "dwellings with tight enclosures may require
> supplemental ventilation supply for fuel-burning appliances, including
> fireplaces and mechanically exhausted appliances.
>
> That is a lot of air, sounds like a large open window.  not less than 15
> cubic feet per person.  I don't much care for the smell of chip-board,
> gives me a headache and yet that's all these freaky new houses are made of.
> On 1/20/22 12:51, castarritt wrote:
>
> These days, people building for extreme energy efficiency will seal the
> building envelope as much as possible, and then install a heat recovery
> ventilation system.
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 2:26 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
>> I recall reading about houses requiring so many air changes per hour
>> before they become unhealthy to live in.  This article was written many
>> years/decades ago.  I wonder if the standards for a healthy house has
>> changed?
>> On 1/20/22 09:54, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>>
>> My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in Indiana. I
>> don’t know where he heard it from but the guy did it about 20 years ago
>> here. He said he had to open the door because they were running out of
>> oxygen  LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
>> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>>
>>
>>
>> Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an air
>> space between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer and inner
>> wall with triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these homes being
>> built in Canada.  They didn’t need much heat.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck McCown
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503
>> 435-830-4306 cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench-blades.com
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM
>>
>> *To:* ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was trying
>> to use it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19th century before
>> they started using coal for everything?
>>
>> I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit
>> assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then expect
>> competition.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the
>> Northeast without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring water
>> is contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed either way.
>>
>>
>>
>> How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls instead
>> of R19?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@go-mtc.com  
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
>> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>  
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>>
>>
>>
>> Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.
>>
>> Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You
>> could always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.
>>
>> Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump
>> a well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run
>> around naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the
>> world.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd
>> condition where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without
>> much suffering.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The rate at which outdoor air replaces indoor air is described as the 
air exchange rate.  ASHRAE  (formerly called the American Society of 
Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers) recommends (in 
its Standard 62.2-2016, *"Ventilation and Acceptable Indoor Air Quality 
in Residential Buildings"*) that homes receive 0.35 air changes per hour 
 but not less than 15 cubic feet of air per minute (cfm) per person. as 
the minimum ventilation rates in residential buildings in order to 
provide IAQ that is acceptable to human occupants and that minimizes 
adverse health effects. ASHRAE also suggests intermittent exhaust 
capacities for kitchens and bathroom exhaust to help control pollutant 
levels and moisture in those rooms. ASHRAE also notes that "dwellings 
with tight enclosures may require supplemental ventilation supply for 
fuel-burning appliances, including fireplaces and mechanically exhausted 
appliances.


That is a lot of air, sounds like a large open window.  not less than 15 
cubic feet per person.  I don't much care for the smell of chip-board, 
gives me a headache and yet that's all these freaky new houses are made of.


On 1/20/22 12:51, castarritt wrote:
These days, people building for extreme energy efficiency will seal 
the building envelope as much as possible, and then install a heat 
recovery ventilation system.


On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 2:26 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

I recall reading about houses requiring so many air changes per
hour before they become unhealthy to live in. This article was
written many years/decades ago.  I wonder if the standards for a
healthy house has changed?

On 1/20/22 09:54, Andy Trimmell wrote:


My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in
Indiana. I don’t know where he heard it from but the guy did it
about 20 years ago here. He said he had to open the door because
they were running out of oxygen  LOL

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
*To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Double walls, so really there are three cavities. Two walls with
an air space between them. Insulation and vapor barrier on the
outer and inner wall with triple glazed windows.  I read a report
on these homes being built in Canada.  They didn’t need much heat.

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com 
www.microtrench-blades.com 
www.terabitnetworks.com 

*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM

*To:*ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was
trying to use it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19^th
century before they started using coal for everything?

I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an
implicit assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t
died yet then expect competition.

I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the
Northeast without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the
spring water is contaminated then so is the well water and you’re
screwed either way.

How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls
instead of R19?

*From:*ch...@go-mtc.com  
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
*To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn. 
You could always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.

Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need
to pump a well.

I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea
and run around naked all the time.  That is a good solution to
the end of the world.

Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an
odd condition where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to
death without much suffering.

*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com

*Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels
break vs being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs
months.

Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

2022-01-20 Thread Peter Kranz via AF

I don’t have them talking to the BMS via Canbus at this time. It’s a matter of 
getting their developers to do it.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

Thanks TJ I was looking for an update if he had them talking to the BMS.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 6:17 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Can you give us an update on these Peter?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:13 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Peter Kranz
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

Pretty excited about these units as a solution.. Bringing one into the test lab 
to exercise, but they have an awesome interface:

 

http://compas.cet-group.eu:8080/

user/password = Basic/1234

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread castarritt

These days, people building for extreme energy efficiency will seal the
building envelope as much as possible, and then install a heat recovery
ventilation system.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 2:26 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> I recall reading about houses requiring so many air changes per hour
> before they become unhealthy to live in.  This article was written many
> years/decades ago.  I wonder if the standards for a healthy house has
> changed?
> On 1/20/22 09:54, Andy Trimmell wrote:
>
> My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in Indiana. I
> don’t know where he heard it from but the guy did it about 20 years ago
> here. He said he had to open the door because they were running out of
> oxygen  LOL
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an air
> space between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer and inner
> wall with triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these homes being
> built in Canada.  They didn’t need much heat.
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503
> 435-830-4306 cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM
>
> *To:* ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was trying to
> use it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19th century before they
> started using coal for everything?
>
> I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit
> assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then expect
> competition.
>
>
>
> I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the
> Northeast without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring water
> is contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed either way.
>
>
>
> How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls instead of
> R19?
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@go-mtc.com  
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.
>
> Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You could
> always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.
>
> Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump a
> well.
>
>
>
> I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run
> around naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the
> world.
>
>
>
> Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd
> condition where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without
> much suffering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs
> being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half
> that of electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So
> natural gas vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same
> energy cost.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> 3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more
> heat per watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat
> pumps for the heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours
> and still leave you with enough battery to get home in many cases.
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503
> 435-830-4306 cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
>
>
> The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put ou

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Wasn't there a story several years about a house explosion, the house 
was hit by lightening and started a smouldering fire, but there wasn't 
enough oxygen in the house for it to break out, when the garage door was 
opened, air rushed in and POOF.


On 1/20/2022 2:25 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


I recall reading about houses requiring so many air changes per hour 
before they become unhealthy to live in.  This article was written 
many years/decades ago.  I wonder if the standards for a healthy house 
has changed?


On 1/20/22 09:54, Andy Trimmell wrote:


My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in Indiana. I 
don’t know where he heard it from but the guy did it about 20 years 
ago here. He said he had to open the door because they were running 
out of oxygen  LOL


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck 
McCown via AF

*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
*To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an 
air space between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer 
and inner wall with triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these 
homes being built in Canada.  They didn’t need much heat.


Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM

*To:*ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was 
trying to use it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19^th 
century before they started using coal for everything?


I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit 
assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then 
expect competition.


I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the 
Northeast without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring 
water is contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed 
either way.


How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls 
instead of R19?


*From:*ch...@go-mtc.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
*To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You 
could always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.


Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to 
pump a well.


I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and 
run around naked all the time. That is a good solution to the end of 
the world.


Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd 
condition where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death 
without much suffering.


*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com

*Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels 
break vs being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost 
half that of electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that 
again.  So natural gas vs electric heat pump for heating would 
probably be the same energy cost.


*From:*Chuck McCown via AF

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way 
more heat per watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone 
to heat pumps for the heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the 
heater for 36 hours and still leave you with enough battery to get 
home in many cases.


Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com 
www.microtrench-blades.com 
www.terabitnetworks.com 

*From:*Robert

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat 
on 400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but 
require 1500 watts..   Not going to do well in

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I recall reading about houses requiring so many air changes per hour 
before they become unhealthy to live in.  This article was written many 
years/decades ago.  I wonder if the standards for a healthy house has 
changed?


On 1/20/22 09:54, Andy Trimmell wrote:


My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in Indiana. I 
don’t know where he heard it from but the guy did it about 20 years 
ago here. He said he had to open the door because they were running 
out of oxygen  LOL


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown 
via AF

*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
*To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an 
air space between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer and 
inner wall with triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these homes 
being built in Canada.  They didn’t need much heat.


Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM

*To:*ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was 
trying to use it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19^th century 
before they started using coal for everything?


I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit 
assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then 
expect competition.


I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the 
Northeast without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring 
water is contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed 
either way.


How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls 
instead of R19?


*From:*ch...@go-mtc.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
*To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You 
could always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.


Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to 
pump a well.


I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run 
around naked all the time. That is a good solution to the end of the 
world.


Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd 
condition where I don’t get hungry. So I could starve to death without 
much suffering.


*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com

*Subject:*RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels 
break vs being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half 
that of electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that 
again.  So natural gas vs electric heat pump for heating would 
probably be the same energy cost.


*From:*Chuck McCown via AF

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating. Heat pump gives you way more 
heat per watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to 
heat pumps for the heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater 
for 36 hours and still leave you with enough battery to get home in 
many cases.


Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com 
www.microtrench-blades.com 
www.terabitnetworks.com 

*From:*Robert

*Sent:*Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 
400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 
1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off 
grid... And no a/c in the summer...


On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

$1895? For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar
for $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not alr

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Ham radios

2022-01-20 Thread Bill Prince

Volcanic ash is "mostly" SO2 (Sulfur dioxide). I'm not enough of a 
chemist to know if SO2 is a polarized molecule, but that would be the 
main thing that might block RF. I suspect not.



bp


On 1/20/2022 11:35 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I am sure the HF operators on the island have been very busy.
We are not at the minimum of the sunspot cycle but not at the max either.
I would expect that there is some 20 meter connectivity in the daytime 
and plenty of 40 and 80 meter stuff after sundown.


I don't know how well RF would penetrate the ash cloud but the cloud 
went away so even if it was killing coms during the eruption it 
cleared up.  I would expect that HF probably propagates the ash cloud OK.

Australia and New Zealand probably have the best paths HF wise to Tonga.

-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:26 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Ham radios

Watching the coverage of the Tonga Volcano, and the Fiber cable being
cut, and the ash blocking satellite communications, there were talks
about how there was no information getting in and out of the country.
Would HAM radios still work through the ash cloud? Providing they were
able to get power.  Seems like someone would be able to talk to someone
else from there.  Or is that how the 'limited information' was getting 
out.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Ham radios


I am sure the HF operators on the island have been very busy.
We are not at the minimum of the sunspot cycle but not at the max either.
I would expect that there is some 20 meter connectivity in the daytime and 
plenty of 40 and 80 meter stuff after sundown.


I don't know how well RF would penetrate the ash cloud but the cloud went 
away so even if it was killing coms during the eruption it cleared up.  I 
would expect that HF probably propagates the ash cloud OK.

Australia and New Zealand probably have the best paths HF wise to Tonga.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:26 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Ham radios

Watching the coverage of the Tonga Volcano, and the Fiber cable being
cut, and the ash blocking satellite communications, there were talks
about how there was no information getting in and out of the country.
Would HAM radios still work through the ash cloud? Providing they were
able to get power.  Seems like someone would be able to talk to someone
else from there.  Or is that how the 'limited information' was getting out.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Ham radios

2022-01-20 Thread TJ Trout

yes hf radios would still work, the university and others have satellites,
so that's keeping one mobile networking going at 2g with limited coverage.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:27 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Watching the coverage of the Tonga Volcano, and the Fiber cable being
> cut, and the ash blocking satellite communications, there were talks
> about how there was no information getting in and out of the country.
> Would HAM radios still work through the ash cloud? Providing they were
> able to get power.  Seems like someone would be able to talk to someone
> else from there.  Or is that how the 'limited information' was getting out.
>
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[AFMUG] OT: Emergency Ham radios

Watching the coverage of the Tonga Volcano, and the Fiber cable being 
cut, and the ash blocking satellite communications, there were talks 
about how there was no information getting in and out of the country.  
Would HAM radios still work through the ash cloud? Providing they were 
able to get power.  Seems like someone would be able to talk to someone 
else from there.  Or is that how the 'limited information' was getting out.


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[AFMUG] Rohn Model 25 question

2022-01-20 Thread Jaime Solorza

Does anyone have engineering drawings for using a sonotube for a Rohn 25
going up 20ft.?
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Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet CPU Speeds

2022-01-20 Thread Bill Prince

Can't get that low on Price, although the Lenovo Duet (~~ $220) gets 
pretty close, and is highly rated. Wouldn't tablets require a dongle too?


The main issue I have with Samsung tablets in general is that they never 
seem to get updates & the browsers tend to be old versions.



bp


On 1/20/2022 10:14 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I wanted something cheap and small.  The tablet was only $120.  I've 
thought about getting a chromebook for a field laptop, but I think 
they all need Ethernet dongles.  Which would work, but is just another 
thing bopping around in the truck.


On 1/20/2022 11:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would not buy an "Android tablet" any longer. Much (much!) better 
to get a Chromebook. They really do run current versions of Android, 
and the ones with detachable keyboards are just great. Do not believe 
the (old, tired) comments that Chromebooks are only a browser. They 
are much, much more, and have evolved tremendously over the last few 
years.



bp


On 1/20/2022 9:48 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I recently got a small tablet (Samsung Tab A, 10.1") to watch videos 
while traveling.  It works fine for everything that I do on it, 
except for Microsoft RDP.  The RDP Client works perfectly on my 
Pixel5 phone, but when I connect with the tablet, all the screen 
updates are seconds delayed.


Googling for fixes, everything is based around problems connecting. 
It connects fine, it's just unusably slow.  Could it be because the 
CPU of the tablet just can't handle it?  It seems like it shouldn't 
be any more cpu intensive than watching a video.  These are the only 
2 android devices I have though, just my phone and tablet, so I have 
no other android testing options. I normally RDP from my laptop or 
Phone, but every now and then I'd like to RDP without pulling the 
laptop out, but want a screen bigger than my phone.









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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Yeah, that was a real thing.  I have two heat recovery ventilators to give me 
fresh air.  I don’t use them much.  One of them is zoned for the theater room 
and it is pretty nice to have fresh air gently blowing in there when we are 
using the room.   It doesn’t get much use either.  But the superbowl is coming 
up.

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com


From: Andy Trimmell 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in Indiana. I don’t 
know where he heard it from but the guy did it about 20 years ago here. He said 
he had to open the door because they were running out of oxygen  LOL

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an air space 
between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer and inner wall with 
triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these homes being built in Canada.  
They didn’t need much heat.  

 

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM

To: ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was trying to use 
it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19th century before they started 
using coal for everything? 

I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit 
assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then expect 
competition. 

 

I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the Northeast 
without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring water is 
contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed either way. 

 

How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls instead of R19?

 

From: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.  

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You could 
always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.  

Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump a 
well.  

 

I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run around 
naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the world.  

 

Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd condition 
where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without much suffering.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs 
being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

 

 

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

 

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's

Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet CPU Speeds

I wanted something cheap and small.  The tablet was only $120.  I've 
thought about getting a chromebook for a field laptop, but I think they 
all need Ethernet dongles.  Which would work, but is just another thing 
bopping around in the truck.


On 1/20/2022 11:54 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I would not buy an "Android tablet" any longer. Much (much!) better to 
get a Chromebook. They really do run current versions of Android, and 
the ones with detachable keyboards are just great. Do not believe the 
(old, tired) comments that Chromebooks are only a browser. They are 
much, much more, and have evolved tremendously over the last few years.



bp


On 1/20/2022 9:48 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I recently got a small tablet (Samsung Tab A, 10.1") to watch videos 
while traveling.  It works fine for everything that I do on it, 
except for Microsoft RDP.  The RDP Client works perfectly on my 
Pixel5 phone, but when I connect with the tablet, all the screen 
updates are seconds delayed.


Googling for fixes, everything is based around problems connecting. 
It connects fine, it's just unusably slow.  Could it be because the 
CPU of the tablet just can't handle it?  It seems like it shouldn't 
be any more cpu intensive than watching a video.  These are the only 
2 android devices I have though, just my phone and tablet, so I have 
no other android testing options. I normally RDP from my laptop or 
Phone, but every now and then I'd like to RDP without pulling the 
laptop out, but want a screen bigger than my phone.







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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread Andy Trimmell

My dad was just talking about walls like this and we’re in Indiana. I don’t 
know where he heard it from but the guy did it about 20 years ago here. He said 
he had to open the door because they were running out of oxygen  LOL

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:46 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an air space 
between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer and inner wall with 
triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these homes being built in Canada.  
They didn’t need much heat.  

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM

To: ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was trying to use 
it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19th century before they started 
using coal for everything? 

I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit 
assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then expect 
competition. 

I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the Northeast 
without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring water is 
contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed either way. 

How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls instead of R19?

From: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.  

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You could 
always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.  

Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump a 
well.  

I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run around 
naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the world.  

Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd condition 
where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without much suffering.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs 
being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Robert 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for 
$300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your 
inverter

IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the 
cool/heat output to match the power it is gett

Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet CPU Speeds

2022-01-20 Thread Bill Prince

I would not buy an "Android tablet" any longer. Much (much!) better to 
get a Chromebook. They really do run current versions of Android, and 
the ones with detachable keyboards are just great. Do not believe the 
(old, tired) comments that Chromebooks are only a browser. They are 
much, much more, and have evolved tremendously over the last few years.



bp


On 1/20/2022 9:48 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I recently got a small tablet (Samsung Tab A, 10.1") to watch videos 
while traveling.  It works fine for everything that I do on it, except 
for Microsoft RDP.  The RDP Client works perfectly on my Pixel5 phone, 
but when I connect with the tablet, all the screen updates are seconds 
delayed.


Googling for fixes, everything is based around problems connecting. It 
connects fine, it's just unusably slow.  Could it be because the CPU 
of the tablet just can't handle it?  It seems like it shouldn't be any 
more cpu intensive than watching a video.  These are the only 2 
android devices I have though, just my phone and tablet, so I have no 
other android testing options. I normally RDP from my laptop or Phone, 
but every now and then I'd like to RDP without pulling the laptop out, 
but want a screen bigger than my phone.




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Re: [AFMUG] Android Tablet CPU Speeds


Oops, wrong tablet model, I have a Samsung Tab A7 Lite 8.7"

On 1/20/2022 11:48 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I recently got a small tablet (Samsung Tab A, 10.1") to watch videos 
while traveling.  It works fine for everything that I do on it, except 
for Microsoft RDP.  The RDP Client works perfectly on my Pixel5 phone, 
but when I connect with the tablet, all the screen updates are seconds 
delayed.


Googling for fixes, everything is based around problems connecting. It 
connects fine, it's just unusably slow.  Could it be because the CPU 
of the tablet just can't handle it?  It seems like it shouldn't be any 
more cpu intensive than watching a video.  These are the only 2 
android devices I have though, just my phone and tablet, so I have no 
other android testing options. I normally RDP from my laptop or Phone, 
but every now and then I'd like to RDP without pulling the laptop out, 
but want a screen bigger than my phone.





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[AFMUG] Android Tablet CPU Speeds

I recently got a small tablet (Samsung Tab A, 10.1") to watch videos 
while traveling.  It works fine for everything that I do on it, except 
for Microsoft RDP.  The RDP Client works perfectly on my Pixel5 phone, 
but when I connect with the tablet, all the screen updates are seconds 
delayed.


Googling for fixes, everything is based around problems connecting. It 
connects fine, it's just unusably slow.  Could it be because the CPU of 
the tablet just can't handle it?  It seems like it shouldn't be any more 
cpu intensive than watching a video.  These are the only 2 android 
devices I have though, just my phone and tablet, so I have no other 
android testing options.  I normally RDP from my laptop or Phone, but 
every now and then I'd like to RDP without pulling the laptop out, but 
want a screen bigger than my phone.


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Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

2022-01-20 Thread Andy Trimmell

Thanks TJ I was looking for an update if he had them talking to the BMS.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 6:17 AM Andy Trimmell  wrote:

Can you give us an update on these Peter?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via 
AF
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:13 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Peter Kranz
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

Pretty excited about these units as a solution.. Bringing one into the 
test lab to exercise, but they have an awesome interface:

 

http://compas.cet-group.eu:8080/

user/password = Basic/1234

 

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www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Double walls, so really there are three cavities.  Two walls with an air space 
between them.  Insulation and vapor barrier on the outer and inner wall with 
triple glazed windows.  I read a report on these homes being built in Canada.  
They didn’t need much heat.  

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com


From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:32 AM
To: ch...@go-mtc.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was trying to use 
it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19th century before they started 
using coal for everything? 

I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit 
assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then expect 
competition. 

 

I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the Northeast 
without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring water is 
contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed either way. 

 

How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls instead of R19?

 

From: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.  

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You could 
always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.  

Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump a 
well.  

 

I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run around 
naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the world.  

 

Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd condition 
where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without much suffering.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs 
being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

 

 

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

 

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

  $1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for $300. 
 Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

  On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter

IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output 
to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.

 

 

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

  I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
  future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
  Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank 
  through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
  solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( 
  the 220

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread dmmoffett

I’ve wondered how long firewood wood really last if everyone was trying to use 
it.  Wasn’t there a firewood crisis in the 19th century before they started 
using coal for everything? 

I think reliance on firewood in the apocalypse comes with an implicit 
assumption that everybody else died. If they haven’t died yet then expect 
competition. 

 

I don’t worry too much about water.  You can’t go anywhere in the Northeast 
without tripping over a stream or a spring.  If the spring water is 
contaminated then so is the well water and you’re screwed either way. 

 

How much is triple insulation?  Does that mean R57 in the walls instead of R19?

 

From: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:09 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.  

Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You could 
always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.  

Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump a 
well.  

 

I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run around 
naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the world.  

 

Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd condition 
where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without much suffering.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com   

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs 
being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

 

 

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

 

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com  
www.microtrench-blades.com  
www.terabitnetworks.com  

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for $300.  
Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter

IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output to 
match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.

 

 

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank 
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( 
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to 
a 
https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
advance

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread Robert Haas

My hunting property is 100% solar. 
I've got 2kw of panels and just a 3kw inverter/charger & 8kw of battery. 
I went with a growatt all-in-one unit for the charger/inverter. 

I run a pioneer 12k mini-split
(https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DVW6G06/?th=1) primarily for cooling
and use a wood stove for heating. I do use the heat-pump on occasion. 

Obviously I'm only there a few days at a time, if I were there longer I
would use Chuck's recommendations on the battery bank sizing as it is, I
could probably double my battery bank.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 6:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight solar
inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( the 220
will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to 
a
https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250v
dc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Triple insulated home can be heated by only the bodies inside.  
Most areas (other than where I live) there may be wood to burn.  You could 
always use a parabolic solar cooker for cooking.  
Solar hydronic.  Solar electric.  Water is the huge thing.  Need to pump a 
well.  

I think move to the tropics where you can eat off the land/sea and run around 
naked all the time.  That is a good solution to the end of the world.  

Not much of a prepper anymore.  Too old I guess.  Plus I have an odd condition 
where I don’t get hungry.  So I could starve to death without much suffering.  



From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs 
being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

 

 

 

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

 

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

 

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

  $1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for $300. 
 Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

  On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter

IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output 
to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.

 

 

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

  I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
  future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
  Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank 
  through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
  solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( 
  the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
  configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to 
  a 
  
https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

  planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

  I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
  advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

  thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread dmmoffett

Maybe it’s a matter of being self-reliant until your solar panels break vs 
being self-reliant until your fuel runs out.  Years vs months.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com  
www.microtrench-blades.com  
www.terabitnetworks.com  

From: Robert 

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for $300.  
Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter

IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output to 
match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank 
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( 
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to 
a 
https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread Josh Luthman

I'd believe natural gas was 1/4 electric.  My 1200 sqft house is ~$60 in
gas and my  900 sqft shop is $50 for a 2018 heat pump. (Dec-Feb).

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 10:47 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half
> that of electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So
> natural gas vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same
> energy cost.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
> 3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more
> heat per watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat
> pumps for the heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours
> and still leave you with enough battery to get home in many cases.
>
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503
> 435-830-4306 cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
>
> The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400
> Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500
> watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no
> a/c in the summer...
>
> On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>
> $1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for
> $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?
> On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
>
> If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at
> https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/
> It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
> IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output
> to match the power it is getting PV
> It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the
>> future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N.
>> Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank
>> through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
>> solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  (
>> the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
>> configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to
>> a
>>
>> https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt
>>
>> planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.
>>
>> I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
>> advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..
>>
>> thanks!!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Here in Illinois, our natural gas price is getting ready to go up 2x -
3x. The NG company says that it's just a pass through cost from their
supplier, they only make money on the delivery charge.

On 1/20/2022 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half
that of electricity for heating. And natural gas was half that
again. So natural gas vs electric heat pump for heating would
probably be the same energy cost.

*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating. Heat pump gives you way more
heat per watt. That is why most of the electric cars have gone to
heat pumps for the heater. The heat pump Tesla will run the heater
for 36 hours and still leave you with enough battery to get home in
many cases.

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home
The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on
400 Watts. The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require
1500 watts.. Not going to do well in the winter overnight off
grid... And no a/c in the summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

$1895? For a one room ac/heater? Home Depot has something similar
for $300. Is it the decal? Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat
output to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another
in the
future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt
of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of
110. (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

That said, the last time I checked, propane and wood pellets cost half that of 
electricity for heating.  And natural gas was half that again.  So natural gas 
vs electric heat pump for heating would probably be the same energy cost.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Robert 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

  $1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for $300. 
 Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

  On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 
It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output 
to match the power it is getting PV
It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

  I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
  future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
  Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank 
  through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
  solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( 
  the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
  configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to 
  a 

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

  planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

  I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
  advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

  thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Not when you talk heat pump.
If the outdoors is 60 degrees F and you want 68 degree indoor, you can probably 
multiply your heating ability by a factor of 10 with a heat pump.  
Many residential heat pumps can give you 6X the heat energy they consume via 
electricity.  

All depends on the differential temperature and the design of the unit.  Unless 
the outdoor temp is down at the vaporization temperature of the refrigerant, 
you will always multiply your heating energy.  


From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

power is power, TANSTAFL (Heinlein).  Maybe the OP is confusing his formulae?  
1 BTU/hr is not the same amount of power as 1 BTU/min. (minutes vs hours)


On 1/20/22 06:30, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Watts != btu.  You're thinking in terms of resistance heating. 

  A mini-split is FAR more efficient in a particular range.  The ones I've 
gotten in the last 4 years are incredibly efficient at ~40-80 degrees.  They're 
still decent at -8 through 40.  Not too good when colder than -8, but it'll 
still heat.

  On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 9:25 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

somethings off, 6k btu should consume 1758.42642 watts.  Your mini-splits 
invent a new type of btu?


On 1/20/22 06:11, Robert wrote:

  The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 
400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 
watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c 
in the summer...


  On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for 
$300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?


On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

  If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 
  It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your 
inverter
  IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat 
output to match the power it is getting PV
  It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


  On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in 
the 
future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of 
N. 
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery 
bank 
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 
110.  ( 
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and 
controller to 
a 

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

3.41 BTU per watt for resistive heating.  Heat pump gives you way more heat per 
watt.  That is why most of the electric cars have gone to heat pumps for the 
heater.  The heat pump Tesla will run the heater for 36 hours and still leave 
you with enough battery to get home in many cases.  

Chuck McCown
McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503
435-830-4306 cell 
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench-blades.com
www.terabitnetworks.com


From: Robert 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400 
Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500 watts..   
Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the 
summer...


On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:

  $1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for $300. 
 Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?


  On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/ 
It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output 
to match the power it is getting PV
It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

  I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the 
  future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N. 
  Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank 
  through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight 
  solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  ( 
  the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly 
  configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to 
  a 
  
https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

  planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

  I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in 
  advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..

  thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

Mini splits are not manufacturing heat out of the electrical input ( ie 
resistance heating ) they are moving thermal mass from one side to the 
other.  So they are making the air outside even colder and the air 
inside warmer, why the efficiency goes down as it gets colder.  You have 
to wrap your head around that before you accept that they are really 
good.   If you don't believe, what this video with an actual current 
meter and temperature gauge.   NOW understand, he's not heating the 
garage from 0 degrees, the garage started warmer.  But the meters are 
not jacked.   He did keep his garage ( I am guessing about 600 square 
feet ) at 64 degrees overnight for 6KW hours  Which with my current 
30Kw battery pack is probably 4 days...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgCOmzCWGrU&ab_channel=DavidPoz

On 1/20/22 6:48 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


power is power, TANSTAFL (Heinlein).  Maybe the OP is confusing his 
formulae?  1 BTU/hr is not the same amount of power as 1 BTU/min. 
(minutes vs hours)


On 1/20/22 06:30, Josh Luthman wrote:

Watts != btu.  You're thinking in terms of resistance heating.

A mini-split is FAR more efficient in a particular range.  The ones 
I've gotten in the last 4 years are incredibly efficient at ~40-80 
degrees.  They're still decent at -8 through 40.  Not too good when 
colder than -8, but it'll still heat.


On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 9:25 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

somethings off, 6k btu should consume 1758.42642 watts.  Your
mini-splits invent a new type of btu?

On 1/20/22 06:11, Robert wrote:

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of
heat on 400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's
but require 1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter
overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something
similar for $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/
It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on
your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the
cool/heat output to match the power it is getting PV
It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC
connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert
 wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do
another in the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the
sunbelt of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple
midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two
sides of 110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though
supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn
from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner... I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home


Correction...  9K BTU on max 7 amps at startup...

On 1/20/22 6:11 AM, Robert wrote:
The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 
400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 
1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off 
grid...   And no a/c in the summer...


On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar 
for $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?


On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat 
output to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another
in the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the sunbelt
of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of
110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner...    I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home


This is the one I am planning on using...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgCOmzCWGrU&ab_channel=DavidPoz

On 1/19/22 5:13 AM, Zach Underwood wrote:
If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat 
output to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the sunbelt of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery
bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of
110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner...    I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

power is power, TANSTAFL (Heinlein).  Maybe the OP is confusing his 
formulae?  1 BTU/hr is not the same amount of power as 1 BTU/min. 
(minutes vs hours)


On 1/20/22 06:30, Josh Luthman wrote:

Watts != btu.  You're thinking in terms of resistance heating.

A mini-split is FAR more efficient in a particular range. The ones 
I've gotten in the last 4 years are incredibly efficient at ~40-80 
degrees.  They're still decent at -8 through 40.  Not too good when 
colder than -8, but it'll still heat.


On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 9:25 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

somethings off, 6k btu should consume 1758.42642 watts. Your
mini-splits invent a new type of btu?

On 1/20/22 06:11, Robert wrote:

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of
heat on 400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's
but require 1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter
overnight off grid...   And no a/c in the summer...

On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something
similar for $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?

On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:

If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/
It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your
inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the
cool/heat output to match the power it is getting PV
It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC
connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert 
wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do
another in the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the
sunbelt of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple
midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two
sides of 110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though
supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn
from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner... I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

2022-01-20 Thread Josh Luthman

Watts != btu.  You're thinking in terms of resistance heating.

A mini-split is FAR more efficient in a particular range.  The ones I've
gotten in the last 4 years are incredibly efficient at ~40-80 degrees.
They're still decent at -8 through 40.  Not too good when colder than -8,
but it'll still heat.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 9:25 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> somethings off, 6k btu should consume 1758.42642 watts.  Your mini-splits
> invent a new type of btu?
> On 1/20/22 06:11, Robert wrote:
>
> The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 400
> Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 1500
> watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off grid...   And no
> a/c in the summer...
>
> On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>
> $1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar for
> $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?
> On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
>
> If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at
> https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/
> It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
> IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat output
> to match the power it is getting PV
> It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the
>> future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N.
>> Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank
>> through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
>> solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  (
>> the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
>> configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to
>> a
>>
>> https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt
>>
>> planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.
>>
>> I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
>> advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..
>>
>> thanks!!
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

somethings off, 6k btu should consume 1758.42642 watts.  Your 
mini-splits invent a new type of btu?


On 1/20/22 06:11, Robert wrote:
The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 
400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 
1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off 
grid...   And no a/c in the summer...


On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar 
for $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?


On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat 
output to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another
in the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the sunbelt
of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of
110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner...    I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

2022-01-20 Thread Andy Trimmell

Can you give us an update on these Peter?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:13 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Peter Kranz
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

Pretty excited about these units as a solution.. Bringing one into the test lab 
to exercise, but they have an awesome interface:

 

http://compas.cet-group.eu:8080/

user/password = Basic/1234

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
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Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

The $800 mini-splits I am looking at put out about 6K BTU's of heat on 
400 Watts.  The home depot $300 heaters put out 5K BTU's but require 
1500 watts..   Not going to do well in the winter overnight off 
grid...   And no a/c in the summer...


On 1/20/22 5:53 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:


$1895?  For a one room ac/heater?  Home Depot has something similar 
for $300.  Is it the decal?  Hood ornament?


On 1/19/22 05:13, Zach Underwood wrote:
If you have not already gotten the mini splits take a look at 
https://www.hotspotenergy.com/solar-air-conditioner/

It has direct PV inputs when sunny it would put no load on your inverter
IT can be put in solar only mode where it will scale the cool/heat 
output to match the power it is getting PV

It can run overnight if you wish by giving in 240volt AC connection.


On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in
the
future somewhere more northerly..    This one is in the sunbelt
of N.
Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP
battery bank
through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of
110.  (
the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
configured for such. )    I am upgrading the inverters and
controller to
a

https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt

planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.

I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
advance before I buy myself into a corner...    I'm all ears..

thanks!!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home