Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

[David Coudron]

imilar 
situation, but nobody is defending that.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:42 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
So, unvacinnated folk that get the virus and walk around for a few days 
breathing on the general public are OK with you?  Some are asymptomatic, others 
are just not feeling too poorly to stay home yet.  But they are a living 
breathing biological warfare machine.  And they can just run free?

How about if they had anthrax or rabies or the plague?  Doesn’t matter?

From: Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 6:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

Or that other person can ware the condom since they are so afraid of it, or 
maybe they should not be out in public?


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 6:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable.  COVID is like someone with AIDS spraying you 
down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing.  People have been 
prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS.  Why not COVID?  If you don’t want 
the vax, fine but you need a full body condom if you come within 100’ of 
another person.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

There are valid reasons for deciding to take this vaccine, the shingles 
vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a myriad of other medications.   Each decision 
should be based on risk/reward of that drug and the medical condition being 
treated.   To think that you know everyone’s medical situation better than they 
do doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive.   To call them selfish 
for making a decision they believe is in their best medical interest seems 
overly judgmental. Yes, there are people are deciding not to take it simply 
because they think they shouldn’t be forced to take a medical treatment against 
their will.   You may feel that we should force them to take the treatment for 
the better good.   I doubt you would feel the same about mandatory castration 
of young men to curb overcrowding of the earth.   Obviously there is a line 
somewhere about forced treatment for the greater good.  I am not attempting to 
determine where that line is, only suggesting that folks have valid medical 
reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine and they shouldn’t be publicly 
shamed for making that decision.   It doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am 
learning I see things differently than some other folks.   So be it.

I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, but we still have to act 
like the vaccine doesn’t work in order to save the human race.   Seems like a 
disconnect there.

If we were really so worried about infecting others or causing harm to others, 
we would avoid all other activities that create risk for others.  We’d never 
drive a car, much less have a beer and get in a car.   I doubt that very many 
of us on this list can say that.  We would never allow the sale of fatty foods. 
  We would force each and everyone to get to a body mass within our accepted 
range.   Keep in mind life is risky.   We don’t need to do stupid things, but 
being alive carries with it the risk of dying.We are all much more likely 
to die of heart disease, stroke related illness, or cancer than we are of 
Covid.   Those are just the facts.  Many folks make small adjustments to reduce 
the risk of those  likely causes of mortality, but have long ago passed on 
decisions to make big changes to eliminate the possibility of those causes of 
death.

I have long ago decided not to live in constant fear of these things.   While I 
chose to be vaccinated, I respect the right of folks to make the best choice 
for their situation.   I also respect the right of someone who is not in the 
best physical condition to eat a steak.   I realize that a drunk driver might 
kill me some day, but I respect the right of individuals to go to a bar and 
expect that most (but not all) are responsible enough not to drink and drive 
when they have had too much.

Keep in mind that this virus would have never come to our country if we never 
allowed anyone in or out of it.   But we understand that certain personal 
freedoms are worth the possibility of catching a disease that might kill us.   
I have a tough time with the mass hypochondria surrounding this situation.

Sorry, I am not me

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues

[David Coudron]

Ours seems to be functioning properly today.   We had that issue several months 
ago however,  took some time to get it corrected but was fine after that.   I 
don't know if they monitor the V1 instances very closely.   Took a few calls to 
get them serious about looking to see what our problem was back then.   Once 
they looked it was taken care.

Regards,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
 
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:18 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues

We're being told our Sonar Instance is 'out of disk space'  They added disk 
space to the instance this morning and it started running, but it looks like 
it's down again now.  Can't get to the login page, it just 
times out.They said that a couple other instances might have been 
having the same problem.  Anyone else having Sonar V1 issues this morning?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[David Coudron]

This is the key to the issue.   Who decides what a valid medical reason is.
In this country, we have always allowed an individual to discuss and evaluate 
medical treatments with their doctor and their family and then make their own 
decision.  The individual’s determination of necessity for a medical treatment 
may vary from person to person.   Their perception of risk of treatment versus 
reward of not getting sick is not the same for every instance.Most people 
are pretty smart and will make decision in the best interest of their 
situation.   Are we now saying that the individual can no longer make this 
determination?   That people are not smart enough to make the decision in their 
best interest?That someone on an email list knows better than each 
individual whether or not that individual should be taking any medical 
treatment including a vaccination?   I hope we are not moving into an era in 
the country where people decide for others whether or not they should take any 
medical treatment, especially when we are talking about an experimental 
vaccine.If we are suggesting that the group can now make decisions for 
mandatory medical procedures, that is a pretty slippery slope.   I believe in 
the good of people and their ability to make a good decision when they have 
enough facts.   I suspect most unvaccinated folks will eventually have enough 
data to determine they are ready to be vaccinated.

Again, and I can’t say this enough, if a person is vaccinated and they believe 
the vaccine works, why are they concerned that others are not vaccinated.   The 
only people at risk are those who have decided not to be vaccinated and they 
have accepted that risk.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 8:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

David,
Do you have any research of the percentage of people who "have a valid 
medical reason" for not taking the vaccine?   I don't imagine it's anywhere 
near the 45% of the US population the is refusing that are not below the 
current age limit.   I would WAG that it's probably a lot less than the 20% 
number not taking it that would get us to effective herd immunity.

Now the kids are getting it and that we don't have a solution for.
On 7/23/21 4:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable.  COVID is like someone with AIDS spraying you 
down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing.  People have been 
prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS.  Why not COVID?  If you don’t want 
the vax, fine but you need a full body condom if you come within 100’ of 
another person.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron 
<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:

There are valid reasons for deciding to take this vaccine, the shingles 
vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a myriad of other medications.   Each decision 
should be based on risk/reward of that drug and the medical condition being 
treated.   To think that you know everyone’s medical situation better than they 
do doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive.   To call them selfish 
for making a decision they believe is in their best medical interest seems 
overly judgmental. Yes, there are people are deciding not to take it simply 
because they think they shouldn’t be forced to take a medical treatment against 
their will.   You may feel that we should force them to take the treatment for 
the better good.   I doubt you would feel the same about mandatory castration 
of young men to curb overcrowding of the earth.   Obviously there is a line 
somewhere about forced treatment for the greater good.  I am not attempting to 
determine where that line is, only suggesting that folks have valid medical 
reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine and they shouldn’t be publicly 
shamed for making that decision.   It doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am 
learning I see things differently than some other folks.   So be it.

I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, but we still have to act 
like the vaccine doesn’t work in order to save the human race.   Seems like a 
disconnect there.

If we were really so worried about infecting others or causing harm to others, 
we would avoid all other activities that create risk for others.  We’d never 
drive a car, much less have a beer and get in a car.   I doubt that very many 
of us on this list can say that.  We would never allow the sale of fatty foods. 
  We would force each and everyone to get to a body mass within our accepted 
range.   Keep in mind life is risky.   We don’t need to do stupid things, but 
being alive carries with it the risk of dying.We are all much more likely 
to die of heart disease, stroke related illness, or cancer than we are of 
Covid.   Those are just the facts.  Many folks make small adjustments to reduce 
the risk of those  likely causes of mortality, but have long ago passed on 
decisions to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[David Coudron]

 number of that population is walking around as 
symptom-free carriers at any given time.

Getting most people vaccinated would be the best way to lower R0, but if 
someone is too self centered to care about their neighbors or their country 
there isn't much you can do to make them care.  That lever isn't doing much 
these days.  The issue here really is about what is best for society vs what an 
individual thinks is best for themselves.  An individual's personal risk of 
having serious Covid complications is pretty low so if they believe there is 
some risk to the vaccine and don't account for externalities, e.g. them 
infecting other people, then it's hard to convince them to get vaccinated.

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:05 PM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Why does someone who has made an informed choice not to get vaxxed by a NON-FDA 
approved drug have not sit out in timeout?  This is a free society, if you are 
so scared, you stay home. I will take my chances.


[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com>
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jan-GAMs
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political


There is no having a sane discussion on this topic.  This is more like a 
whining child having an open temper-tantrum in public.  Un-vaxxed persons are a 
health hazard and attempting to explain this to a child is a bit difficult.  
Those who don't have a vaccine should not be allowed in public.  Every time a 
non-vaxxed person gets sick with Covid there is the potential for a new variant 
even worse than the Delta variant.  Un-vaxxed persons should be quarrantined as 
they are a health-hazard to everyone around them and to the public at large.
On 7/23/21 1:11 PM, David Coudron wrote:
I know, we can all make our own decisions.   However, I don’t believe I have 
stated anything that varies from the facts.   I can send you the Moderna sheet 
I received with my vaccine if you want to see that.

Your points about FDA approval are probably accurate, however, why is not OK to 
say that I want to wait for the approval?   That doesn’t seem so unreasonable.  
We don’t let folks on the plane based on the likelihood that those on the 
no-fly list probably won’t show up to get on the plane anyway.   We still check 
each and every person to make sure.  Just like we do the FDA approval process 
to make sure.   Otherwise, we could just tell drug companies “if you are pretty 
sure you’d pass anyway, we won’t bother putting you through the approval 
process”   We don’t do that for good reason.

I agree with you on the memes both ways.   Neither approach are helping the 
situation.   It should be a discussion based upon the scientific merits of the 
situation.   Unfortunately both side love to poke at the intelligence of those 
that don’t agree with their decision.

There is no way to know this for sure, but I wonder how many folks publicly 
shaming others for not taking the vaccine know that it is not FDA approved?

Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, nor am I suggesting it should 
have.   But I don’t think that those of us that decided to go ahead with the 
vaccination get to make medical decisions for those who aren’t comfortable with 
an experimental vaccine.


From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political


I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who 
have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart.


  1.  Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA 
approved medicine/vaccine.   I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly 
stated several facts.  Among them are:

 *   This is not FDA approved.
It has an emergency use authorization.  FDA approval takes a long time, but 
around 90% of the submissions end up approved because they are pretty well 
tested by the manufacturer before they apply.  Anybody applying for FDA 
approval already has a pretty good idea whether it's going to go through or 
not.  Presumably people on a no-fly list don't routinely show up at the airport 
expecting to board a plane.  Presumably people don't try to get a CDL if they 
know they'll fail the drug test.  Same idea.


 *
 *   This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus.   While we 
likely all agree that

Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[David Coudron]

I know, we can all make our own decisions.   However, I don’t believe I have 
stated anything that varies from the facts.   I can send you the Moderna sheet 
I received with my vaccine if you want to see that.

Your points about FDA approval are probably accurate, however, why is not OK to 
say that I want to wait for the approval?   That doesn’t seem so unreasonable.  
We don’t let folks on the plane based on the likelihood that those on the 
no-fly list probably won’t show up to get on the plane anyway.   We still check 
each and every person to make sure.  Just like we do the FDA approval process 
to make sure.   Otherwise, we could just tell drug companies “if you are pretty 
sure you’d pass anyway, we won’t bother putting you through the approval 
process”   We don’t do that for good reason.

I agree with you on the memes both ways.   Neither approach are helping the 
situation.   It should be a discussion based upon the scientific merits of the 
situation.   Unfortunately both side love to poke at the intelligence of those 
that don’t agree with their decision.

There is no way to know this for sure, but I wonder how many folks publicly 
shaming others for not taking the vaccine know that it is not FDA approved?

Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, nor am I suggesting it should 
have.   But I don’t think that those of us that decided to go ahead with the 
vaccination get to make medical decisions for those who aren’t comfortable with 
an experimental vaccine.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political


I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who 
have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart.


  1.  Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA 
approved medicine/vaccine.   I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly 
stated several facts.  Among them are:

 *   This is not FDA approved.
It has an emergency use authorization.  FDA approval takes a long time, but 
around 90% of the submissions end up approved because they are pretty well 
tested by the manufacturer before they apply.  Anybody applying for FDA 
approval already has a pretty good idea whether it's going to go through or 
not.  Presumably people on a no-fly list don't routinely show up at the airport 
expecting to board a plane.  Presumably people don't try to get a CDL if they 
know they'll fail the drug test.  Same idea.


 *
 *   This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus.   While we 
likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will 
help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact.
99% of people dying of Covid right now are un-vaccinated.  We can split hairs 
and say maybe it didn't prevent them from becoming infected, but it clearly 
prevents them from dying.


 *

  1.  The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t 
safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”.
I've never heard such an argument.


  1.Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment.   Every medicine 
you take has some level of side effect.   The vast majority of medicines have 
such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe.   The 
FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious 
side effects and drug interaction issues.   If you are 30 years old and folks 
are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly 
small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an 
intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or 
dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”.   It 
used to be that people relied upon a conversation with their doctor to 
determine personal risk of disease and use of a drug.Apparently we no 
longer do that.   We publicly shame people into using experimental drugs.



  1.  Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug 
interactions with other medicines folks need to take.
It isn't some weird new chemical we just invented this year.



  1.  We likely understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all.   
We have FDA approval processes for good reason.   If for example, you were 
under 40 and were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to 
hold off on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine 
might lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication.   An 
incredibly low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into 
a good chance of serious injury from seizure.   As far as I know data like that 
is certainly not available yet.



  1.  Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have 
decided

Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[David Coudron]

Unfortunately I don’t know the particulars of typhoid Mary’s situation.   I 
understand a bit of the folk lore, but don’t only have an idea of what that 
story is about.   My basic understanding was that an individual who knew they 
were sick was intentionally infecting others.   Certainly a despicable act if 
that was the case.   To better put that in the context of today’s situation I 
would want to know these things:

  1.  Was there  typhoid vaccine that was generally available?
  2.  What is the mortality rate of typhoid fever versus covid?   I suspect 
typhoid was significantly higher, but don’t have any data to back that up.
  3.  I believe there is case law to suggest intentionally infecting people is 
a pretty serious crime and after the initial stupid college intentional 
infection parties, we don’t really have people intentionally trying to infect 
others.

If we extend that argument to other diseases, will we now require flu vaccine?  
 It has always been a “good idea”, especially for those in high risk health or 
age groups.   But it has never been required.   We don’t even require vaccine 
for measles, shingles, and a myriad of other annoying and/or dangerous 
diseases.   And these have FDA approved vaccines.

However, I would reiterate this:
If the vaccine works, and I have been vaccinated, why do I care if others 
haven’t?   Am I worried the vaccine doesn’t work?   Do I think it is necessary 
to force people to take an experimental drug for their own good will against 
their will?

Regards,
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:43 PM
To: David Coudron 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

One question:  Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free?
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who 
have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart.


  1.  Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA 
approved medicine/vaccine.   I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly 
stated several facts.  Among them are:

 *   This is not FDA approved.
 *   This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus.   While we 
likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will 
help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact.

  1.  The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t 
safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”.Vaccines are a 
risk/reward type of medical treatment.   Every medicine you take has some level 
of side effect.   The vast majority of medicines have such negligible side 
effects, that they are considered completely safe.   The FDA approval process 
exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious side effects and drug 
interaction issues.   If you are 30 years old and folks are saying you have to 
take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly small chance of you 
becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an intelligent thing to say “I 
am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from this disease 
outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”.   It used to be that people 
relied upon a conversation with their doctor to determine personal risk of 
disease and use of a drug.Apparently we no longer do that.   We publicly 
shame people into using experimental drugs.
  2.  Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug 
interactions with other medicines folks need to take.   We likely understand 
the very common medicines, but, certainly not all.   We have FDA approval 
processes for good reason.   If for example, you were under 40 and were taking 
seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off on an 
experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might lessen the 
effectiveness of the seizure control medication.   An incredibly low risk of 
serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good chance of 
serious injury from seizure.   As far as I know data like that is certainly not 
available yet.
  3.  Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have 
decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug?Does it make them 
feel smarter?   We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, and 
that is with FDA approved medicine.   But now all of a sudden it is OK to 
ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an experimental 
drug for which the majority of the population has a very low chance of serious 
illness or death?   And when they do ridicule folks, they never discuss the 
facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion about the risk/reward of 
this particular vaccine.   Two years from now, with an FDA approval in place 
and a full understanding of drug interactions and effectiveness of the v

Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[David Coudron]

Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who 
have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart.


  1.  Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA 
approved medicine/vaccine.   I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly 
stated several facts.  Among them are:
 *   This is not FDA approved.
 *   This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus.   While we 
likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will 
help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact.
  2.  The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t 
safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”.Vaccines are a 
risk/reward type of medical treatment.   Every medicine you take has some level 
of side effect.   The vast majority of medicines have such negligible side 
effects, that they are considered completely safe.   The FDA approval process 
exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious side effects and drug 
interaction issues.   If you are 30 years old and folks are saying you have to 
take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly small chance of you 
becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an intelligent thing to say “I 
am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from this disease 
outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”.   It used to be that people 
relied upon a conversation with their doctor to determine personal risk of 
disease and use of a drug.Apparently we no longer do that.   We publicly 
shame people into using experimental drugs.
  3.  Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug 
interactions with other medicines folks need to take.   We likely understand 
the very common medicines, but, certainly not all.   We have FDA approval 
processes for good reason.   If for example, you were under 40 and were taking 
seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off on an 
experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might lessen the 
effectiveness of the seizure control medication.   An incredibly low risk of 
serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good chance of 
serious injury from seizure.   As far as I know data like that is certainly not 
available yet.
  4.  Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have 
decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug?Does it make them 
feel smarter?   We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, and 
that is with FDA approved medicine.   But now all of a sudden it is OK to 
ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an experimental 
drug for which the majority of the population has a very low chance of serious 
illness or death?   And when they do ridicule folks, they never discuss the 
facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion about the risk/reward of 
this particular vaccine.   Two years from now, with an FDA approval in place 
and a full understanding of drug interactions and effectiveness of the vaccine 
the conversation might look completely different.   Right now, I believe some 
very intelligent people are looking at the risk/reward and saying “not now, but 
probably some day as this will become the new yearly flu vaccine”.   Until 
then, my risk of virus related illness doesn’t warrant a decision to take the 
vaccine.
  5.  Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t 
vaccinated?   For those of us that are vaccinated, we are safe right?   That 
was the point of taking the vaccine.
  6.  Most of the science that seems most accurate right now points to this 
being with us permanently like an influenza sort of virus.   It will show up 
every year with little mutations that will require updates, or boosters, or 
yearly covid shots.What ever you want to call them. Is really so stupid 
to wait until this is FDA approved before participating?   If we have to do 
this without FDA approval, why does that process even exist?

I have always appreciated this list because it is usually very fact focused, 
and very good at exploring solutions to problems.   While some lists are very 
superficial and suffer from pat answers to technical problems, folks in this 
list have always tended dig deep and find tangible information related to the 
email topic.   I get that it is very easy to joke about the intelligence of 
those who have made a decision we don’t agree with, but I don’t believe this 
topic is nearly that cut and dried.

As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political topic.   I don’t 
understand why, other than the fact that some react more harshly to being told 
they have to do something.   This should be a scientific discussion.   If 
definitely shouldn’t be about public shame.   We don’t know the medical 
situation of those that chose not to participate in an experimental medical 
treatment.

Regards,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Helium

[David Coudron]

Looks to me like the Helium technology supports micro payments.  Low volume pay 
by use sort of thing it looks like.

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 3:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Helium


I'm trying to understand the same thing.  Who puts money in?
On 6/23/2021 4:01 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
So basically it's a 915MHz IOT AP with WiFi or 4G LTE repeater link to 
internet?? And you earn revenue by buying one and installing it so others' 
devices can connect to it? I assume they pay somebody for service...???

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 1:37 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
$3k from a 27kbps hotspot... Wonder what it will be when the market settles 
down ? And if you can exchange that phony money for anything in the real world

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Any of you doing the Helium network?  Just had a friend stop by wanting some 
advice on antennas.  He has a couple of hot spots up (900 omni) and he says he 
is making $3K/month.
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Re: [AFMUG] solar panels

[David Coudron]

What you see on snail roads.

I am guessing they are smears of some kind that affect the clear top layer?

Get Outlook for iOS

From: AF  on behalf of Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 1:09:14 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar panels


Some of the used ones list defects in the description. Saw one that said 
"cracked", and another said "snail tracks". WTH are snail tracks?


bp


On 6/4/2021 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Ah, they are used.  I wonder how much used...

From: Robert
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar panels

I haven't seen anything that will beat this.  $45/panel for 224watts.

https://shop.signaturesolar.us/products/224w-60cell-silver-poly-solar-panel-by-sharp

On 6/4/21 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Who has the best deals for solar panels these days?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems

[David Coudron]

Yes, as mentioned below, figure out how much iron and how much hardness you are 
dealing with.   That sizes both the filter and the softener.   Our cabin had 
tons of iron, so RO was out.   Plus we wanted whole house filtration so that 
the showers and sinks had less mineral and rust.   RO is really, really good 
for drinking and cooking water, but they usually aren’t recommended for whole 
house.   Of course it depends on how many folks are in the house and so on.   
Lots of ways to skin this cat, but best place to start is to see how hard the 
water is and how much iron it has.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems

In theory a water softener with the right salt should knock down both the 
hardness and iron content


On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 3:18 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Right, I just didn't recognize the abreviation.

I looked at two reverse osmosis systems and I was over the maximum iron content 
for one and over the maximum hardness for the other.  I'll look at iSpring.


On 5/27/2021 5:07 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Reverse Osmosis.

It's a way to filter water out to pretty much tasteless.   The iSpring system I 
mentioned is a reverse osmosis system.   It passes the water through several 
filters and then a reverse osmosis membrane which can filter out impurities 
larger than 0.001 micron.  The remaining stages are related to treating the 
water such that any impurities that the membrane can't filter out are either 
removed or rendered tasteless.

I considered putting a whole house one in, but figured I only cared about what 
I was drinking/eating.  I'm ok with showering in the water which tastes 
slightly bad but doesn't smell bad.   If the water had an odor, I'd be figuring 
out how to cancel that out at the head end...


On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 2:53 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What's RO?


On 5/27/2021 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
If it is RO I would think you would not need a softener after it.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems

We put a whole house filter system by Morton in our cabin recently.   Seems 
pretty decent.   Nicest feature is there are no filters to change.   It flushes 
the filters like a water software flushes when recharging.   Only downside is 
you have to have it by a drain, just like a water softener.   For city water it 
installs before the water softener, but for well water, it installs after the 
water softener.


Seems to work pretty well.

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612-991-7474

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315, Plymouth, MN 55447 |  www.advantenon.com<http://www.advantenon.com/> |  
Phone: 800-704-4720 |  Local: 612-454-1545

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From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems


Is that an under the sink system or a whole house system?
On 5/27/2021 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
My sister has crummy water and has an old osmosis filter, water tastes good and 
the tumors are minimal, most can just be cut off with a butter knife

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:18 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Moving to a house with well water.  It's actually my parents old house
where I grew up so I'm very familiar with the water there. Currently
spoiled by nice, clean municipal water.  That house has very high iron
and manganese levels.  Definitely also have hydrogen sulfide because you
can smell and taste it.

There's already a salt water softener and that helps quite a bit, but
I'm looking at other some of these filter systems to put inline as
well.  Wondering if this crowd has opinions or preferred brands for that
stuff.  All 2c opinions are welcome.

I'm also not sure about UV sterilization vs a chlorine injector system.
Seems like the UV is less maintenance because all you do is change the
bulb once a year, but IDK it's my first time looking at this stuff.  Any
opinions on that?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems

[David Coudron]

By the way, Morton also has a wifi connected water softener that we put in at 
the same time.   Nicest feature of this is that it has an optional water valve 
that allows you to turn off the main water supply remotely.   For our cabin, 
that is pretty nice, it detects water flow and can alert you if it appears you 
have a leak.   You can then shut off the water if you want.   That also seems 
to work pretty well.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems


Now that's interesting.  I like the idea of no maintenance.
On 5/27/2021 3:04 PM, David Coudron wrote:
We put a whole house filter system by Morton in our cabin recently.   Seems 
pretty decent.   Nicest feature is there are no filters to change.   It flushes 
the filters like a water software flushes when recharging.   Only downside is 
you have to have it by a drain, just like a water softener.   For city water it 
installs before the water softener, but for well water, it installs after the 
water softener.


Seems to work pretty well.

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

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i...@advantenon.com<mailto:i...@advantenon.com>  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com<http://www.advantenon.com/>  |  Phone: 800-704-4720 |  
Local: 612-454-1545

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From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems


Is that an under the sink system or a whole house system?
On 5/27/2021 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
My sister has crummy water and has an old osmosis filter, water tastes good and 
the tumors are minimal, most can just be cut off with a butter knife

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:18 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Moving to a house with well water.  It's actually my parents old house
where I grew up so I'm very familiar with the water there. Currently
spoiled by nice, clean municipal water.  That house has very high iron
and manganese levels.  Definitely also have hydrogen sulfide because you
can smell and taste it.

There's already a salt water softener and that helps quite a bit, but
I'm looking at other some of these filter systems to put inline as
well.  Wondering if this crowd has opinions or preferred brands for that
stuff.  All 2c opinions are welcome.

I'm also not sure about UV sterilization vs a chlorine injector system.
Seems like the UV is less maintenance because all you do is change the
bulb once a year, but IDK it's my first time looking at this stuff.  Any
opinions on that?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems

[David Coudron]

We put a whole house filter system by Morton in our cabin recently.   Seems 
pretty decent.   Nicest feature is there are no filters to change.   It flushes 
the filters like a water software flushes when recharging.   Only downside is 
you have to have it by a drain, just like a water softener.   For city water it 
installs before the water softener, but for well water, it installs after the 
water softener.


Seems to work pretty well.

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com<mailto:i...@advantenon.com>  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com<http://www.advantenon.com/>  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Water conditioning systems


Is that an under the sink system or a whole house system?
On 5/27/2021 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
My sister has crummy water and has an old osmosis filter, water tastes good and 
the tumors are minimal, most can just be cut off with a butter knife

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:18 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Moving to a house with well water.  It's actually my parents old house
where I grew up so I'm very familiar with the water there. Currently
spoiled by nice, clean municipal water.  That house has very high iron
and manganese levels.  Definitely also have hydrogen sulfide because you
can smell and taste it.

There's already a salt water softener and that helps quite a bit, but
I'm looking at other some of these filter systems to put inline as
well.  Wondering if this crowd has opinions or preferred brands for that
stuff.  All 2c opinions are welcome.

I'm also not sure about UV sterilization vs a chlorine injector system.
Seems like the UV is less maintenance because all you do is change the
bulb once a year, but IDK it's my first time looking at this stuff.  Any
opinions on that?



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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

[David Coudron]

That seems like a good move.QB would have had to indicate which Reason Code 
they used to add you to the MATCH list.   If that was done in error, they 
should correct it.   I would guess an attorney could paint a picture of 
financial injury that should get some response 

Regards,

David Coudron

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:12 AM
To: Mike Hammett ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: David Coudron 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

I found a law firm online that specializes in this.  So going to get a quote at 
a bare minimum.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown ; David Coudron
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

Fancy letter from a cheap attorney?


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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
To: "David Coudron" 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>, 
"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:05:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books
QB tells us nothing.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:04 AM
To: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Quick Books

From what I read, it is not easy.You will automatically be removed from the 
list in 5 years.   However, there are two ways to be removed earlier, if QB 
contacts Mastercards and says the original add to the list was in error, or if 
the reason you are on the list was that you weren’t PCI-DSS compliant but can 
prove you have since become compliant. Here is a pretty good article on it. 
  Read to the bottom for the how to remove yourself from the list section:
https://chargebacks911.com/match-list/

By the way, they list the specific reasons you can be put on the list in this 
article.   I think QB would owe you an explanation of why they selected the 
reason code they did when adding you to the list.   It looks to be very 
specific, they cannot cancel you just because they don’t like you, or your 
business, etc.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:58 AM
To: David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>; AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

No, never any chargebacks.

Yes, I think we are good with IP Pay.  Sure like to get off the MATCH list.  
Any recourse there?

From: David Coudron
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Quick Books

Chuck,

Were you getting any charge backs when you were using Quickbooks for credit 
card settlement?   If you hadn’t been getting any, you may have some pushback 
against Quickbooks for putting you on the list.   From what I can tell, you 
ended up on the MATCH list because Quickbooks listed you as a cancelled 
merchant account. Did IP Pay take the business even though you were on the 
MATCH list?

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Quick Books

QB put us on a fraud list!  IP Pay called us and told us we were on the “match” 
list.  What a bunch of crap.

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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

[David Coudron]

From what I read, it is not easy.You will automatically be removed from the 
list in 5 years.   However, there are two ways to be removed earlier, if QB 
contacts Mastercards and says the original add to the list was in error, or if 
the reason you are on the list was that you weren’t PCI-DSS compliant but can 
prove you have since become compliant. Here is a pretty good article on it. 
  Read to the bottom for the how to remove yourself from the list section:
https://chargebacks911.com/match-list/

By the way, they list the specific reasons you can be put on the list in this 
article.   I think QB would owe you an explanation of why they selected the 
reason code they did when adding you to the list.   It looks to be very 
specific, they cannot cancel you just because they don’t like you, or your 
business, etc.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:58 AM
To: David Coudron ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

No, never any chargebacks.

Yes, I think we are good with IP Pay.  Sure like to get off the MATCH list.  
Any recourse there?

From: David Coudron
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Quick Books

Chuck,

Were you getting any charge backs when you were using Quickbooks for credit 
card settlement?   If you hadn’t been getting any, you may have some pushback 
against Quickbooks for putting you on the list.   From what I can tell, you 
ended up on the MATCH list because Quickbooks listed you as a cancelled 
merchant account. Did IP Pay take the business even though you were on the 
MATCH list?

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Quick Books

QB put us on a fraud list!  IP Pay called us and told us we were on the “match” 
list.  What a bunch of crap.
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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books

[David Coudron]

Chuck,

Were you getting any charge backs when you were using Quickbooks for credit 
card settlement?   If you hadn’t been getting any, you may have some pushback 
against Quickbooks for putting you on the list.   From what I can tell, you 
ended up on the MATCH list because Quickbooks listed you as a cancelled 
merchant account. Did IP Pay take the business even though you were on the 
MATCH list?

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Quick Books

QB put us on a fraud list!  IP Pay called us and told us we were on the “match” 
list.  What a bunch of crap.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT commies

[David Coudron]

I hear what you are saying Bill.   Surprising it has become such a politically 
divided topic.  However, I remember when our kids were little and we went 
through the normal course of decisions on vaccinations.  Most were no brainers, 
chicken pox, measles etc.   But our daughter hit her teens right as the HPV 
vaccination was coming out.  I remember talking about the risk of HPV and the 
newness of the vaccine with our doctor and with my wife’s sister and brother in 
law who are both doctors.   Based on this we made our own decision for our 
daughter based on risk of disease versus risk of vaccination.   That seemed 
like a good approach at the time.   Our current situation isn’t like that since 
the government is pushing the vaccinations so hard, which is why I think folks 
see this as political topic.  Not looking to start a Lent thread, but I suspect 
the politics of vaccination are going to be with us as long as political 
resources such and governors and federal officials are commenting on 
vaccination and even making policy based on vaccination status.

I remember an uncle telling me once, being forced to do something makes people 
feel much differently about doing it.   He said “giving money in the collection 
plate at church is something you know you should do, and when you do it on your 
own, you feel good about it.   However if someone forces you to do it, whether 
by taking the money from your pocket, or not letting you go to church unless 
you give at the collection plate, you don’t feel the same about it.  It is 
still the right thing to do, but that good thing leaves a bad taste in your 
mouth.  Most people will do the right thing in their own time.”

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT commies


I can not for the life of me figure out how getting vaccinated has turned into 
some kind of political discussion.



bp


On 5/18/2021 8:19 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
A local popular restaurant that has survived the last year on take out orders 
is opening to in store dining with no social distancing.  But you have to show 
your shot card to get in.  I reduced and laminated mine.  After news broke of 
this they are getting death threats and are being accused of being commies.

The posted to facebook the rules and mention that no, you will have to actually 
pay for the food as they are not true commies.  My wife and I plan to be there 
this week.

We found some red hammer and sickle shirts to wear for the event.

Excellent gumbo, jambalaya and a mix called gumbayala.  Gumbayla is a heart 
stopper...

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, look

I think mexico could overtake the US economy if they made a tamale push and 
hired Mexican aunts to make tamales full time.

We could flush out all the commies too. Anybody who doesnt like tamales is an 
obvious commie.

I do wonder what the US spends on tamales annually. It's an all cash business. 
As far as food services go, the margins are pretty good. I'd bet the annual 
sales if there were a way to estimate them are pretty high.



On Tue, May 18, 2021, 9:24 AM Darren Shea 
mailto:darr...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
There was a neighborhood lady selling smoked brisket tamales at $15 per dozen a 
few years back – they were incredible!

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jaime, look

Some lady my neighbor works with. She was selling a dozen for 10 bucks but 
couldnt keep up so she raised it to 13. Around here a dozen real tamales goes 
for 18 to 20

On Mon, May 17, 2021, 3:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Where are they from?

On Mon, May 17, 2021, 12:44 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just look at this

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Re: [AFMUG] intuit

[David Coudron]

Chuck,

Do you use Quickbooks Online, or the desktop installed version.   Either one 
can be hooked to Authorize.net, but the online version is much easier.   Once 
you get to Authorize.net, you can use almost any credit card fulfillment 
company.We would strongly recommend talking to your bank to see who they 
might sell/resell.   Over time we moved our all in percentage from north of 4% 
to less than 3%.   I think we are sitting at 2.8% with all monthly fees and 
charges as well as the per transaction charges included.   It is kind of a pain 
to switch, but if you go to your bank, someone will actually talk to you and 
work with you.   Even if you don’t switch to your bank for processing, once you 
are on Authorize.net, you can use just about any processor, so you can pick the 
one you like.   From when we looked at Quickbooks credit card processing a few 
years back, by the time you added in transaction fees and monthly fees, it was 
almost 5%.   You really have to watch the transaction rate and the fees on the 
different credit card types   Most processors advertise a low rate per 
transaction, but when customers use rewards cards, the fees are lots higher.   
Use a processor that charges a flat rate for all cards if you can find one.   
Once we did that, our average transaction percentage went way down.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 4:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intuit

We use QB for accounting.  It generates and sends invoices automatically.  No 
extra charge.  I am going to continue to use QB.  So adding a Sonar or 
Powercode will add expense and work.  Do they automatically interface with QB?
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:22 AM, Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

Sonar, Visp, Powercode ARE CHEAP. They're cheaper than the manual labor to do 
what they do automatically.

We use Payment Depot for processing and they include Authorize.net gateway. Our 
average card rate for all credit/debit is 2.3% through them.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 4:31 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why would they NOT want that?  Don't they get a % on your transactions?

I should think they'd want you to be their best frickin friend.


On 4/29/2021 5:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
My wife got a live person on the phone at intuit.  They told her the problem, 
that we were going to do auto billing for $25K/month.  We are not doing any 
autobilling.  She has hope it is fixable.  I don’t have any hope but it will be 
a nice surprise if they do make it right.  Normally I have more tenacity than 
she does with this kind of stuff.

From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 3:21 PM
To: Mike Hammett ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intuit

Did I mention I was cheap?

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intuit

Sonar, PowerCode, VISP, etc.

IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.


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From: "Chuck McCown via AF" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 3:25:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intuit
I tried that, we are screwed.  They pulled up the drawbridge and said to go 
screw ourselves.
So I need another customer billing platform.  And I am super cheap.  Any 
suggestions?

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] intuit


When we switched to Enterprise, there was some kind of SNAFU with us being an 
"ISP". Bad juju in their opinion. I forge

Re: [AFMUG] intuit

[David Coudron]

We have had pretty good luck with the merchant accounts through our bank.   We 
are down under 3% for transactional and monthly fees all included.   Might be 
better off with the bank anyway.  ?   Almost all of them use Authorize.net 
so it is easy to integrate to your billing software.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 1:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] intuit

Intuit just shut off the merchant account for our FTTH ISP.  And they are not 
telling us why.  Not sure what to do.  We have to be able to take payments.
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Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

[David Coudron]

The majority of our customers receive email/twitter and check Facebook from 
their phones.   In fact, I believe the majority of customers use their phone as 
their primary email platform.   Very few check email from computers anymore.  
However this is skewed by age.  Older customers use the computer more than 
younger ones.   Customers in their 20s and 30s hardly ever touch a computer and 
receive email/twitter updates easily during an outage.  While their phones are 
set to use wifi, when it isn’t there they continue on cellular.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 5:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers


let's see, your customer is in an outage and your method of reaching out to 
them is via FB, email or twitter?  what's wrong with this picture?
On 4/12/21 9:24 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
We use a Facebook group and avoid posting anything except outages (planned or 
otherwise) so they stick on it.
We will also do emails if we have a whole tower own for a planned outage.


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Owner / Network Architect
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On 4/12/21 8:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We have an alerts group on facebook customers can opt into, we ha e Twilio half 
set up for powercode to message through, but it seems clunky, otherwise we just 
update server plus to handle inbound calls.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Wow, Twitter?  I am not a Twitter user.  I wonder if my customers are?
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2021, at 7:48 PM, Andrew Haninger 
mailto:ahan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Email and Twitter.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 21:40 Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
What is the best way to notify customers of planned maintenance outages?  
Robocalls, text, email?

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Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

[David Coudron]

We typically do email and text.   Text is the best way, but not all customers 
will opt in to text messages.   Customers usually see the text messages.   They 
never check voicemail if they don't know the number.   Email does get a few of 
them to notice, but phone calls seem pretty worthless.   The spammers have 
ruined phone calling forever.   At least that is our experience. 

Regards,

David Coudron


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2021 8:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

What is the best way to notify customers of planned maintenance outages?  
Robocalls, text, email?  

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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[David Coudron]

They make good fertilizer…

Gardening season is just around the corner.Just saying…..


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

i think a fair trade would be we will hand over 1 AR-15 for each pedo head 
delivered. They want the assault rifles off the streets, they bring pedo heads.

I dont know what youre supposed to do with the bodies when you bring heads. Is 
is bad form to just leave them in a pile?

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:20 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
No.  Don't give the government any more access to anything ever.

We already identify pedos on Facebook and no one seems to give a shit.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:08 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Isnt that crazy? I wish they did the right thing and let the fbi pedo patrol 
take a peek at that user list and ip access list
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 12:38 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/rapper-bhad-bhabie-1-million-onlyfans-debut-six-hours

>$23.99 per month for access to exclusive photos and videos on her OnlyFans page

Holy shit.  That's 42k people in 6 hours.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
So, what does a subscriber to her channel get?  Does she sing or get naked or 
what?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm
not sure why we are doing that.

On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But
> don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer -
> stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way
> things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way, it
> didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it
> bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
>
> First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95
> so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear
> 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The
> quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do anything
> that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big
> pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
>
> 
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%20%0b>> 
> wrote:
>
> And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
>
> It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
>
> You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in
> large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting
> infected?
>
> I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
> helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
>
> The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
> know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through
> who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to
> someone not in their immediate family.
>
> Do masks work?
>
> You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
> COVID
> and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
> symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
>
> We were both wearing masks.
>
> The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as
> it doesn't harm others.
>
> I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the
> numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
> into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
> ourselves.
>Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
>
> On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
>  > actually get it 

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[David Coudron]

As was mentioned elsewhere in this this thread, let’s not start down this path. 
  I don’t think links like this are helpful and this is going to end up in a 
political discussion (again).

If you want to go to WiSPAmerica, go.   If you don’t want to go, don’t go.   No 
need to debate or tell anyone why.   


From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 1:36 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-antiscience-movement-is-escalating-going-global-and-killing-thousands/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=week-in-science_content=link_term=2021-04-02_featured-this-week=69913967=MjUwODYxOTU1OTU5S0=2100344217=MjEwMDM0NDIxNwS2

Natural selection doesn't work fast enough
On 4/5/21 10:33 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://shop.fctry.com/products/dr-fauci-action-figure this is what its all 
about

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:23 PM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
There is a lot of false reporting by fearmongers in the extremes on both sides 
of the situation.


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From: "Erich Kaiser" 
mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 12:10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
If it gives me a chance not to die from Covid and lessen the symptoms if I do 
get it, I will take it.  Thats what these vaccines are supposed to do.  Pfizer 
and Moderna are supposed to be like 80% effective 2 weeks after first 
vaccination.I am getting my second vaccination for Moderna in about a week 
or so and the process to get it was simple and well organized.  I think the 
biggest problem is false reporting of possible cases being touted as positive 
cases.



On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:40 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Forrest - keep in mind there are lots of reports of folks getting
immunizes and then contracting COVID weeks later.

I'm not sure how we finally get out of this.

On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax attitude
> towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >> 
> wrote:
>
>  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
>
> Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
> I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was a hoot.
> But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like
> this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have
> some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in her hand.
> But that would be mean, so I will refrain...
> Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...
> We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business
> travel before June 1st, unless something major changed. So
> we didn't make any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was
> for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even
> now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to where
> I was more comfortable in attending.
> As it turns out, 

Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[David Coudron]

From reading some quick information online, it appears you have a lot more 
options if the nest is inactive, including removing the nest in the state of 
Michigan.   However, if you don’t intend to remove it, and it is inactive, I 
don’t see any regulations prohibiting you from working on the tower, especially 
if you aren’t going to disturb the nest.   But, I would press anyone you 
interact with for the printed/online official regulation.  There is likely lots 
of exaggerated information out there.   Basically the federal law treats them 
as a protected  species, which means you cannot posses the bird, the chicks, or 
the eggs.   Doesn’t really say anything about the nests.  Nebraska is pretty 
clear about the difference between active and inactive nests.   Whatever you 
do, getting your work done before the nest goes active if the nest is currently 
inactive, would be a good plan.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

The guy who contacted me was just a volunteer DNR bird watcher. He didn't have 
the rules. I have an email into the state DNR employee who is responsible for 
the volunteer osprey watch program, which according to LinkedIn, she is a state 
biologist. I haven't heard back yet. Bird watcher volunteer guy says they're at 
the "nest building" stage. Doubt there's an egg yet. I very much got the 
feeling that the volunteer guy didn't have the full picture.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the nest 
is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks in it.   
I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.   Ospreys are 
managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be good if you could 
find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If not, I would work with 
the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done without running afoul of 
any state based regulations.  I don’t think federal regulations stop you from 
working on the pole if the nest is inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick 
google search.   However, I would press the state wildlife guy for the printed 
regulations.   His understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.  Climber 
put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried it down.  A 
DEC guy came and took the bird away.

So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the bird 
arguably in danger?


On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:
I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are building 
a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a protected bird, 
I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the 
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't 
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a 
few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear 
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

[David Coudron]

From doing a quick read, the treatment of nests is very different if the nest 
is active, or inactive.  Active is defined as one with eggs or chicks in it.   
I think you will have better options if the next is inactive.   Ospreys are 
managed at both the state and the federal level.   Would be good if you could 
find a way to determine if the nest is active yet.   If not, I would work with 
the state wildlife guy to quickly get your work done without running afoul of 
any state based regulations.  I don’t think federal regulations stop you from 
working on the pole if the nest is inactive.   However, that was a pretty quick 
google search.   However, I would press the state wildlife guy for the printed 
regulations.   His understanding of could be inaccurate or exaggerated.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Danger? No - they got a penthouse. It's a nice open platform.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:29 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had an Osprey stuck on a pole and sent a climber up to untangle it.  Climber 
put a sack over it, cut the strings it was tangled in and carried it down.  A 
DEC guy came and took the bird away.

So I guess maybe if the bird is in danger you can go rescue it?  Is the bird 
arguably in danger?


On 4/2/2021 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Definitely don't climb now.

Unfortunately, I think you're stuck until fall.

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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM Aeron Wireless 
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:
I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are building 
a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a protected bird, 
I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the 
state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't 
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I need to mount a 
few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding off to hear 
definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

[David Coudron]

Yep.   We need the whole crew back.   Where else can you find out about things 
like the trunk monkey, which I never knew existed.   I have been calling every 
car dealer in the 5 state area to get one.   They all act like they have never 
heard of it.  Bastards.   Must be a Covid thing…….

Steve, can’t offer any advice on the class ring thing.   All I can say is that 
when our two winning swimmers graduated recently, no one in their classes got 
any of that stuff except the year books.   Prom is still a pretty big deal 
though.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: class rings, 2021

We never did yearbooks. I lost the first year if my oldest boys pics just after 
I started the format of a hard drive a decade an a half ago. That realization 
sucks, being the interim generation of analog to digital. As I age, having 
almost zero of that little bastards pics for his first years sucks. (Pre 2005 
housefire survivors probably want to beat my head in).
That's the whole reason I joined the shitshow called facebook.

But just got this little homos sophomore class ring notice. Being an optional 
high school dropout( was given the administrative option to drop out or await 
the next board meeting for expulsion) I see the opportunities missed.
I dont 8intend to send the kids back to brick and mortar school again, too much 
politics when theres legitimate online options now. But dumb shit, class rings, 
homecomings, proms, selling oregano and empty blotters paper to rich kids, 
graduation ceremonies... at what point does that nonsense matter? This 
generation of testes winner swimmers has got to have something, being the 
interims, I call them generation I.
What's worth having? A ring, a book of pics, a prom night kid?

Wheres the line?

 Before me and jaime broke afmug again there were a lot of old people here, who 
know more than my semi old ass. Call Ken an mr type, get them back here and 
tell them theres some non wisp, non political shit going on, and a dad needs 
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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[David Coudron]

We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as part of 
our consulting practice.   Within those communities, Google’s toolset holds a 
very small piece of the market, if even countable.   Microsoft’s toolset, 
(Office 365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook, etc) seems to be very 
stable and very secure.   These organizations spend a lot of time looking at 
these kinds of things.

Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications 
environments to AWS and Azure in large volume.   We are seeing healthcare 
organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI 
requirement driven movement.   While we don’t have data points for these kinds 
of movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google.   This same 
movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all the time.   
We recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to Microsoft’s 
Office 365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the Google offering.

The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a year, 
our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex.   We don’t see enough of 
Google Meet for that to even be a comparison.   A big benefit to Teams is that 
includes the functionality of Slack (for the most part), Zoom, and shared file 
systems/repositories.   Additionally it is integrated into Outlook very well.

All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick another 
option.   My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but they are 
actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the trigger like 
that in a year like 2020.   There are several reasons, not the least of which 
are:

  1.  You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for.  It is 
lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses.
  2.  You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back up 
their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license for 
something to do that.
  3.  No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Hangout was mature enough)
  4.  No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Meet was mature enough)

Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 person organizations move to Google from 
Office365.  It is always the other way around.But obviously that is just 
our experience so take that for what it’s worth. (not much )

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management  and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based.

Which one do you choose?

One will cost more than the other for sure.
One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers
One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off.
One is more reliable than the other.
One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies).
One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people.  IE: more 
accessible / user friendly
One offers a more granular experience for more technical people.
One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems


Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical.

Which route would you go?


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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[David Coudron]

Completely agree.   Replacing the cutting blade is a big part of solving 
problems.   When it is dull, it pushes the wire ends down and doesn’t provide a 
clean cut.   If we have problems with the ends, it is those longer ends/tails 
shorting together most often.Plus they don’t fit into the jack as well.   A 
good, sharp blade on the correct crimping tool makes a big difference.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

GAM - You need crimpers specific to the feed through connectors and the cutting 
blade needs to be replaced regularly.
The outside cable jacket needs to be under that tab - one of the issues I am 
trying to solve with different connectors.


On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 2:55 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

I bought a bag of through the connecter connectors once a long time ago.  I 
tried to cut the wires with a flush cutter wire dykes.  Too much wire still 
stuck out the end to plug into the jack.  Even tried sawing the end with a 
sharp pocket knife, even tried a razor blade, no such luck.  Barely enough to 
feel is too much, still won't fit.  Tossed the bag and bought a different style.

Another problem I've had is old "tough " cable brand LAN cable.  Cables I made 
up 6 years ago the cable jacket has shrunk and pulled out of the connectors 
leaving as much as 3/4 inch between cable jacket end and connector.  Looks like 
a fitting put together by an amateur.  What brand is outdoor cable rated (with 
metal foil and ground wire) that the jacket material does not shrink?

In addition, the crimper I'm using has a tendency to short the wires together 
where they fit under the jacket when the plastic edge comes into contact with 
the jacket (during crimping), this really sux.  Perfect looking fittings on 
both ends, one or both are shorted out.  The only fix I've found is to try to 
undo the twist of the wires below where the jack covers under where the plastic 
captures the cable.  Maybe I need a different kind of jacket capture design in 
the connectors I purchase?
On 3/5/21 10:14 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I don't know anything about 50 micron/u of gold or anything, but we clearly see 
a quality difference between the brands discussed in this thread.

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On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 1:02 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We have been using the connectors from TJ and they are working well.   The 
connectors we used in the past were the Platinum Tools ones and were pretty 
expensive.   TJ’s work just as well or better and are better priced.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

Most all of them are gold plated to some degree, the highest is generally 50 
micron/u of gold and some of the lowest is 3 micron or none.  The connectors we 
have made are 50u, pass thru, shielded with the ground lug.


 Anyone that wants a sample just send me a name and address.

TJ


On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 8:24 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Seriously doubt it.  Based on my experience of all of them.

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:05 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same factory, 
we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000 pcs or more 
and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
This one?

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it from 
Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the website is 
broken if you search crimper.

If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for crimpers. 
 If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has been buying.  The 
new ones are blue.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Thanks Josh,

Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with them?


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthm

Re: [AFMUG] Grafana

[David Coudron]

Grafana is very cool if you want to take the time.   It is used pretty heavily 
outside of the WISP/ISP world for monitoring lots of stuff including AWS and 
Azure hosting for large corporate types.   Lots of time it is paired with 
Prometheus or other tools for log monitoring or other items.   We debated on 
making the switch to Grafana rather than refresh our LibreNMS, but decided to 
stay with LibreNMS for now since it has so things already built for wireless.   
 

The graphing is quite a bit better than LibreNMS or Cacti, but it really 
depends on how much time you want to put into getting it all going.

Regards,

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Grafana

Is Grafana worth playing with?  Somebody showed it to me awhile ago, but I 
never got around to trying it out.



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Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

[David Coudron]

Yep, I think a wrong turn.   If you have a linux box, you can definitely get 
going for free.   As Steve said, there is lots in there for WISPs right out of 
the box.   We had someone add some custom reports and other items to it.   
Stuff you could do on your own, but we decided to hire someone to do it.   
Pretty cool stuff overall.  Much more reliable monitoring than Sonar which we 
also have running.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields


A year ago I tried to install it, couldn't get it to run and then bumped into a 
license fee.  I must have made a wrong turn.
On 3/5/21 12:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I dig it, initial setup is pretty simple if the documentation is followed, odd 
how good their documentation is.

I read all this stuff like I'm looking to do, that doesnt seem as simple, but 
the price is right.



On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 2:08 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We recently got LibreNMS up and running in Azure hosting.   Which no longer 
makes it free, but it has been a very stable and well performing way to go so 
far. Trying to keep our server footprint small where it makes sense.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Baird
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

LibreNMS is free.  You just need a Linux host to run it.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

What does it cost $$ to deploy librenms?
On 3/5/21 10:09 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
I don't think you would want to just modify the database.  You could add 
support for it in code, though.  Your best bet is to look at the code in GitHub 
(even pull requests for adding new features, etc) and trying to mimic what has 
already been done.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 12:16 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One of you geeks probably messes a lot in this tool.
I see in their forums some advice on doing things like this, but its not clear 
how easy it is to keep it working through migrations/rebuilds of librenms, etc

An example Id like to have viewable on the ob=verview is 
1.3.6.1.4.1.318.1.1.1.2.1.3.0 thats is battery replacement date for APC UPS. 
custom OID doesnt work because its a date, not a counter or guage

the ideal spot would be on the Overview tab. but all instructions I see 
indicate I need to add a column to the database. Im just now learning SQL, and 
given some time id [probably be comfortable, but right now I just see me 
breaking it. the other code isnt something im familiar with.

Is there an easy mechanism for adding fields you want to collect or graph that 
Im not seeing or comprehending?
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Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

[David Coudron]

We recently got LibreNMS up and running in Azure hosting.   Which no longer 
makes it free, but it has been a very stable and well performing way to go so 
far. Trying to keep our server footprint small where it makes sense.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

LibreNMS is free.  You just need a Linux host to run it.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

What does it cost $$ to deploy librenms?
On 3/5/21 10:09 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
I don't think you would want to just modify the database.  You could add 
support for it in code, though.  Your best bet is to look at the code in GitHub 
(even pull requests for adding new features, etc) and trying to mimic what has 
already been done.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 12:16 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
One of you geeks probably messes a lot in this tool.
I see in their forums some advice on doing things like this, but its not clear 
how easy it is to keep it working through migrations/rebuilds of librenms, etc

An example Id like to have viewable on the ob=verview is 
1.3.6.1.4.1.318.1.1.1.2.1.3.0 thats is battery replacement date for APC UPS. 
custom OID doesnt work because its a date, not a counter or guage

the ideal spot would be on the Overview tab. but all instructions I see 
indicate I need to add a column to the database. Im just now learning SQL, and 
given some time id [probably be comfortable, but right now I just see me 
breaking it. the other code isnt something im familiar with.

Is there an easy mechanism for adding fields you want to collect or graph that 
Im not seeing or comprehending?
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[David Coudron]

We have been using the connectors from TJ and they are working well.   The 
connectors we used in the past were the Platinum Tools ones and were pretty 
expensive.   TJ’s work just as well or better and are better priced.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

Most all of them are gold plated to some degree, the highest is generally 50 
micron/u of gold and some of the lowest is 3 micron or none.  The connectors we 
have made are 50u, pass thru, shielded with the ground lug.


 Anyone that wants a sample just send me a name and address.

TJ


On Fri, Mar 5, 2021, 8:24 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Seriously doubt it.  Based on my experience of all of them.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:05 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same factory, 
we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000 pcs or more 
and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
This one?

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it from 
Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the website is 
broken if you search crimper.

If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for crimpers. 
 If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has been buying.  The 
new ones are blue.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Thanks Josh,

Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with them?


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.  It nearly 
eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd say.

We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying new dies 
vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof as possible 
that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any favorites out 
there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use the Netonix ones.

We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.  Trying to 
figure out why that is and prevent it.


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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink: first come, first served

[David Coudron]

I ordered ours for the cabin which is outside of our network area.  Took my 
$600 on February 9th and still hasn’t shipped.  This is for an area that is 
open right now.  Most areas in MN say it will be six months or more before you 
can get service.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 8:43:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink: first come, first served

Available today!

>Depending on location, some orders may take 6 months or more to fulfill

Very Apple-like.  Stretching the meanings of words.  Kind of like Unlimited 
Verizon/Tmo/ATT.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:34 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Definately not everywhere.

Starlink is targeting coverage in your area in mid to late 2021. You
will receive a notification once your Starlink is ready to ship.

On 2/18/21 9:25 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> The Starlink beta is now open to all on a first-come, first-served basis. 
> Availability limited based on user density. Residental use only, no moving, 
> no sharing, no reselling, but no caps so far and IPv6.
>
> Same $99/month plus ~$600 up front.
>
> I'll be interesting to see how it performs as birds fill up.
>
>
> - Jared
>

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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Watch "'I’m not a cat': lawyer gets stuck on Zoom kitten filter during court case" on YouTube

[David Coudron]

Which translates to:  “Recording is prohibited unless it is funny.   Then share 
as you like.”

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 1:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Watch "'I’m not a cat': lawyer gets stuck on 
Zoom kitten filter during court case" on YouTube

"Recording of this hearing or live stream is prohibited"

3.1m views

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Friends should not let lawyers use computers.



bp


On 2/9/2021 6:47 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
https://youtu.be/lGOofzZOyl8

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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink - First Blood

[David Coudron]

I ordered a Starlink system as my cabin is in an area that we can get service 
right away from Starlink and we don’t service the area with our network.   
Other locations in MN say it will be middle to late 2021 for service 
availability.   I should have some first hand knowledge in a week or two.   As 
mentioned below, it is basically $600 to start and $99 a month.   Will be 
interesting.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink - First Blood

If he's truly surrounded by trees with no clear sky like the Starlink app shows 
with their VR overlay, he will likely have a poor experience with it and maybe 
come back.

We always tell people canceling what their average usage is because we use 
Preseem and most people rarely average more than 10 Mbps unless they're doing a 
download.

So someone on our 25 Mbps plan will peak and hit that but their average is 
typically under 10 Mbps so if they switch for something "faster", we will tell 
them they won't notice a difference and send screenshots of their preseem 
graphs to prove it. If you average 10 Mbps, having 1000 Mbps fiber instead of 
25 Mbps won't feel any faster at all.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:28 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Got our first "Starlink" call today.  Guy who's been a long term
customer - paying $90 for 50 megabits -- and getting that.

Says "I'd rather give my money to a local company than to Musk, but
those speeds.  Any chance you'll be offering faster speeds?".

My only response was - if you truly need 150 megabits at your home, then
Starlink is probably a better option for you.  We've found that 99% of
our customers barely use 25 megabits, which is why our top plan is 50
megabits.

"OK, well I just wanted to try to give money locally".

I appreciate that, but if you'd like to pay $9 more per month, plus a
$600 install fee, to get the same speeds you're getting with us with the
occasional faster speeds, and drops with every satellite switch, be my
guest.

This guy's house is also completely surrounded by trees.  I'm curious to
see how this will play out.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop

[David Coudron]

That expresses our sentiment as well.   We have been watching this with 
amusement.




David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop

Man I love this.

Dumbass greedy hedge fund A holes that literally think they drive the markets 
(and do usually), get massively screwed by the populace that's had enough of 
their controlling behavior.

It's a free market, and they bet big and lost. That's how it works.

I can only hope that the gov doesn't somehow bail them out.
I'm not a socialist and not a democrat and not a Bernie etc etc, but I do 
believe funds like this have too much control and also hoard a lot of the 
nations wealth among a handful of privileged people.




-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop

About right & add a couple of numbers.   Stock was at $20, hedge funds 
were trying to drive it to $10 by throwing shade.   Shorts have to be 
covered at certain risk points.   Reddit'ers in a market bet group saw 
that the hedges had shorted it by ( get this ) 130% of released stock!!! 
  ( how they can borrow more than 100% is apparently allowed in futures 
(bad))..   Redditors drove it to $147/share and the hedge funds and one 
in particular were $137 BILLION in the red.   The one that was going BK 
borrowed $76 Billion to cover from another hedge and briefly sent it back down 
_for a couple of hours_ till the redditors dug in again. ( 
they know that the short _has_ to be covered.   Then it got serious. 
Musk and some other really rich people who have been burned by hedge funds 
doing this to them ( Telsa stock had been depressed for years by this ) decided 
that it was time for the chicken to come home to roost. 
They decided to throw $$ at it that they don't really worry about. 
What's 10 million to Musk?   Today I saw it trading briefly at $390. 
Wall Street is rallying behind the hedges and calling in all the favors 
due.  PR, Congress, investors like public retirements, etc.   They are 
going to push for legislation.  Truly a screw you between two groups.

I'm warming up the popcorn...

Best comment I've seen from the Hedge fund CEO.   I've lost my company, 
my house, my cars, my boat, my wife, how could you do this for "fun"

Responses were hilarious...   Like, "Didn't you put any away for a rainy 
day?"



On 01/28/2021 09:31 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> My wife has been following this, so I am relating second hand 
> information.   This is the way I understand it.
> 
> A hedge fund guy has been bashing game stop for some time.  Says 
> business is outdated.   Terrible stock, etc.   Turns out the his fund 
> owned a bunch of it and had been betting on it going down and short sold 
> it.   Gamers got pissed about bashing game stop and organized a buy of a 
> bunch of stock.   Stock price went way up, and now the hedge fund who 
> had short sold it, had to buy back at high prices.   Lost $10 Billion 
> last time she looked.   They stepped in to keep the hedge fund from 
> collapsing.
> 
> That is what I understand anyway.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Coudron
> 
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop
> 
> Can someone break this down for me to a window licker level of dumb?
> 
> If i understand it, hedgefund operators banked on the price going 
> down, so shit posters rallied together to drive it up, and on friday 
> the hedgefund operators are forced to purchase at the inflated price?
> Is this the gist?
> 
> Now government is trying to step in to protect the hedgefunds from the 
> shitposters?
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop

[David Coudron]

My wife has been following this, so I am relating second hand information.   
This is the way I understand it.

A hedge fund guy has been bashing game stop for some time.  Says business is 
outdated.   Terrible stock, etc.   Turns out the his fund owned a bunch of it 
and had been betting on it going down and short sold it.   Gamers got pissed 
about bashing game stop and organized a buy of a bunch of stock.   Stock price 
went way up, and now the hedge fund who had short sold it, had to buy back at 
high prices.   Lost $10 Billion last time she looked.   They stepped in to keep 
the hedge fund from collapsing.

That is what I understand anyway.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: gamestop

Can someone break this down for me to a window licker level of dumb?

If i understand it, hedgefund operators banked on the price going down, so shit 
posters rallied together to drive it up, and on friday the hedgefund operators 
are forced to purchase at the inflated price? Is this the gist?
Now government is trying to step in to protect the hedgefunds from the 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Managing old peoples digital footprint

[David Coudron]

Yes,

It is definitely tough helping tech challenged older relatives.   And I don’t 
think there is an easy way to make them completely safe online.  However, the 
2fa isn’t too bad once you walk them through it a bit.   Especially since many 
sites (mostly banking) are forcing 2fa anyway.  If you can get them comfortable 
with text messages or phone calls (phones calls make it pretty easy) they 
really only have to remember one password.   They don’t even have to remember 
user IDs for the various sites.  However, I would strongly recommend the 
Emergency option as well as shared access.   Shared access is good until they 
change the main password and don’t tell you.   Also, you need access to the 
phone to get the 2fa code.   Emergency access will allow you to get access 
after a wait period even if you can’t get into the phone.   My wife’s uncle had 
a stroke and couldn’t remember how to get into his phone, we were completely 
dead in the water.   No only for passwords, but for things like email, contacts 
and other items.   Knowing his icloud password and PIN for the phone would have 
been very helpful.  That is what we have been setting up since that incident.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Managing old peoples digital footprint

Rotflmao.
1fa is crazy to manage on an old. Now have to add 2fa on tech they wont adopt?

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 10:44 PM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Yes, however you should have 2FA activated on it, at which point it is fairly 
secure.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 9:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
If it gets compromised you lose everything right?  But my password protected 
spreadsheet had the same vulnerability.  Which is more secure?
Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:

I'll second this.  I've been using it for a few years now and love it.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 9:02 PM Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
Lastpass is what I recommend. Only need to know one master password then you 
can save random generated logins for every site. I have over 200 logins saved. 
I run it on android and on my chrome extension which covers all my computers. 
Best thing I ever did.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 8:12 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Yes,

There are password managers like 1Password and LastPass that have family 
accounts and allow personal and shared password records.   Also, some have an 
emergency option that allows you to specific an emergency contact who can 
access your personal vault in case you die or are incapacitated after a defined 
wait period.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: Managing old peoples digital footprint

Old people always have their grandkids setting up accounts for this or that, 
then the grandkids arent available when its time for support, nobody knows 
username and passwords, much less what email was used to set up an account.

Right now for example, my uncle, who is deaf and doesnt use the internet, 
period, has my dad being his medical partner cause dad can hear and has me 
"whos good with computers". They set upp accounts, like his VA account and his 
healthare system accounts. But dont remember usernames and passwords. Trying to 
reset based on identifying info goes to the email used to set it up, but nobody 
knows what that is. And hes got a virtual appountment tuesday with tommorrow 
being a holiday

Theres got to be an app or something for managing this stuff thats like a 
reverse parental control that kids authorize stuff for elderly.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Managing old peoples digital footprint

[David Coudron]

Yes,

There are password managers like 1Password and LastPass that have family 
accounts and allow personal and shared password records.   Also, some have an 
emergency option that allows you to specific an emergency contact who can 
access your personal vault in case you die or are incapacitated after a defined 
wait period.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: Managing old peoples digital footprint

Old people always have their grandkids setting up accounts for this or that, 
then the grandkids arent available when its time for support, nobody knows 
username and passwords, much less what email was used to set up an account.

Right now for example, my uncle, who is deaf and doesnt use the internet, 
period, has my dad being his medical partner cause dad can hear and has me 
"whos good with computers". They set upp accounts, like his VA account and his 
healthare system accounts. But dont remember usernames and passwords. Trying to 
reset based on identifying info goes to the email used to set it up, but nobody 
knows what that is. And hes got a virtual appountment tuesday with tommorrow 
being a holiday

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reverse parental control that kids authorize stuff for elderly.
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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

[David Coudron]

We use Hetrix Tools to do an initial blacklist lookup and then monitor the ip 
after that.   It is free/pretty cheap depending on what you have them do for 
you.   We get a weekly summary and it is has been very accurate this far.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc.  Have never 
been through this before.

Message
Hello,

Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in 
accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional 
IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date.

You may review the new registration by:

- clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar,
- click on the ticket number, and
- click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of the 
ticket information.

To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage Reverse 
DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS Records" from the 
"Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on DNSSEC, please visit:

https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/

Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP addresses 
or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois database within 
7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at:

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/

In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy Manual" 
(NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4 resources under 
an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region" or an 
"8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to another organization for a 
period of 12-months. For more information please review the NRPM at:

https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region

If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new 
network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be, 
simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to certify 
the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you.

Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed.

Regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land

[David Coudron]

If you think you will be going off grid or something similar it might not 
matter.   However, it still might make sense that you can get a well and 
private septic on the property some day.   It is hard to invest much in a cabin 
without those options available.   Not every property qualifies for both of 
those due to regulations/zoning etc.   Also, building a nice place that none of 
the family will visit because it doesn’t have running water or septic might not 
be what you want (or it might ).

Even with off grid, you can get wells and septic and have a pretty comfortable 
place.   We have built 3 different hunting cabins on properties in North Dakota 
and Minnesota.   Access to potable water and septic are the biggest challenges 
it seems like.   Building the structure and making it inhabitable is the easy 
part.  Hauling water is fine, but you can’t really leave it at the cabin for 
weeks at a time without a good storage system and you need to treat it.   If 
you are planning to use the place for any amount of time, hauling water gets 
pretty old.

Hit me off list if you want some ideas on lower cost options for well and 
septic, we ended up doing a variety of things at the three different shacks, 
some worked better than others.

Also, for inexpensive structures, have talked with some folks that have had 
luck with shipping containers for the cabin.   Can do some pretty fancy stuff 
with them.   We looked at that, but didn’t end up going that route as one 
property had an old quanset we converted and we had access to a lot of lumber 
at the others.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Buying land


Thankfully, I love bullets.
On 1/3/2021 4:48 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
If you can tolerate all 4 seasons in a day and an occasional bird size mosquito 
 Arkansas is the place to go. Just make sure to not buy anything next to me if 
you dont like bullets

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 AM Cassidy B. Larson 
mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
Sources of water or water rights for the property. Here they don’t let you 
build a cabin without it.

Taxes. Not sure about your state, but here “greenbelt” (grazed on/agricultural) 
land gets substantially lower tax rates. Make friends with a live stock owner 
near your property to have them graze yours so you don’t pay more than you 
should. Here it’s a minimum of 5 acres to qualify.

Do you need to fence the property? Costs to maintain?

Easements/access agreements. Who bares the cost to maintain the roads?

Good luck!

> On Jan 2, 2021, at 22:29, Adam Moffett 
> mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm poking around Zillow for a piece of cheap land.
>
> Basically looking for some place to play around in the woods, with the 
> possibility of building an off-grid camp/cabin in the future.
>
> The pitfalls I'm aware of are wetlands and places with no access.  What else 
> should I watch out for?'
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Space Force Guardians

[David Coudron]

Nice reference.   

Great sound track in the first one.

Regards,

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:11 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Space Force Guardians

Apparently members of the Space Force will be called Guardians.

Twitter is wondering if raccoons and trees will be allowed in Space Force.  Do 
they have a mix tape?
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Re: [AFMUG] virus has spread to wild mink in Utah

[David Coudron]

From the article it is tough to tell if it is the same strain of Corona virus.  
 Corona viruses have been around in animal populations for years, we used to 
vaccinate cattle against it to prevent scours.   Different strain that didn’t 
affect humans though.  Not sure about this one.If it is the same one, that 
would be a much bigger deal, but if it is species specific, that has been 
around for awhile.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] virus has spread to wild mink in Utah

Maybe they can get them to wear masks

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:55 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
https://promedmail.org/promed-post/?id=20201213.8015608

and it starts
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[AFMUG] LTE SIM cards

[David Coudron]

As we make our way into LTE for fixed wireless we are finding a new wrinkle 
with the management of sim card data.   It seems the SIM card manufacturers 
only print the ICCID on the card, but want to send the rest of the data fields 
separately.   We are finding that they will send a spreadsheet of additional 
information like the IMSI, K, and OPC values separately.   We understand why 
that might increase the security of the SIM cards, but it makes for a messy 
management of the data.   We'll have to created a central spreadsheet that the 
techs and office folks can access to look up the SIM card data to enter it into 
the EPC.   What we'd like is a SIM card that has these data fields printed and 
barcoded on the card itself so that the Tech can either scan/enter it in 
themselves, or the office folks can scan it in ahead of time.   Anyone run into 
a better solution for retrieving/managing the additional SIM data?

Regards,,

David Coudron


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Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

[David Coudron]

Interesting.   But I couldn’t find it on ebay as mentioned in the  description. 
  Wonder what it costs?

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intriguing

Can you climb it?
Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 2, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

https://youtu.be/mtIFMNd9RnA
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

[David Coudron]

Ha.   I had forgotten about that scene.   Growing up as a dairy farm kid, I 
thought that was particularly funny.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:27 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

So tell me more about this milk rabbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXI21S4ZWJU


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

Sounds like the cows made a deal to get the pigs killed and save themselves. 
Cows are much more devious than we think. Female cows of course, bulls, like us 
men are just dumb


On Mon, Nov 30, 2020, 11:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
At one of our pig farm customers, our dish is on their “whey tank”.  For the 
first couple years I thought it was a “way tank”.  They get deliveries of whey 
that is a byproduct from somewhere, probably cheesemaking?

Separate milk into curds and whey, the curds become cheese, the whey becomes 
pork?  Voila, ham and cheese sandwich.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: the milk rabbit hole

So I eat a ton of butter, like a pound or two a week, I love the stuff.
I've made basic butter a few times, but heavy cream is pricey and butter is 
work heavy.

I also eat a ton of cheese, I love real smoked string cheese, but it's as 
expensive as beef.

I never looked into making cheese because I always assumed it required raw milk.

My mom's church food pantry has to dump a boatload of milk every couple weeks 
because of the way the government works, if you dont take all they offer, they 
begin to cut you off.

Mostly 2 percent. So out of curiosity I wondered if there was a cheese that 
could be made (turns out pasteurized 2 percent is the milk required for 
parmesan)

That's a hard cheese and takes a press and 6 to 12 months to ripen.

Anyhow, once I found out pasteurized commercial milk is actually preferred for 
most common cheeses since the milk fat is consistent, I've been reading more 
and more about the cheese, the byproduct of cheese, the uses of the byproduct 
and the byproduct of the byproduct.

Low and behold certain cheese like cheddar have a byproduct of sweet whey, from 
which sweet cream can be extracted to make butter. So now I'm hooked on reading 
more. According to most recipes 1 gallon whole milk will yield a pound of hard 
cheese like cheddar or two pounds of soft cheese and the whey will yield a 
third to half pound of butter. With the remaining byproduct having a couple 
uses from protein additive to plant food. Not to shabby for something that can 
be got for a buck 50 on sale per gallon at retail. And is a waste product of 
food banks (sadly they cannot accept back processed cheese and butter)

But anyway this rabbit hole just goes deeper, turns out the demand for Greek 
yogurt has caused damage for the environment and the demand for protein 
additives has caused commercial cheese prices to not rise with inflation or 
even go down. Companies actually start making cheese to get they sweet whey 
byproduct to convert into protein.

The massive demand for Greek yogurt created an excess of acid whey that used to 
just be sprayed on farms. But there is too much now, it will kill waterways 
because the organics it it and produce algae blooms. A lake was killed because 
of cheese. An entire industry has been created to research what to do with it.

Whole point is milk is some pretty complex shit. It's like an addiction trying 
to find out more about this. If you're looking to kill some time, start reading 
about cheese making




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Re: [AFMUG] CARES ACT money requirements

[David Coudron]

That is our understanding.   The states control the money, and restrictions may 
change by state.   Biggest thing is, whatever the funds were used for, had to 
be operational by year end.   In fact, in MN, final disbursements have to be 
cut by Dec 1st by the counties that were given money from the state to fund 
projects like Broadband.  

Regards,

David Coudron



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jesse Dupont
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 8:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CARES ACT money requirements

AFAIK, CARES Act money is state-by-state. Wyoming did some Broadband specific 
funding, which all had to be built by year’s end, whereas South Dakota is doing 
grants for any small business had at least a 25% decrease in gross margins 
comparing a period in 2020 to 2019. Montana, on the other hand, only doled out 
CARES Act money for health care related things.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what the requirements are for being able to use CARES ACT 
> money to build broadband?
> 
> I’m assuming you can’t use it to build into an area that already has feasible 
> broadband?
> 
> Does anyone know the usage requirements?
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[David Coudron]

We have some on back order as well.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Has anyone been able to get MTOWP since Oct 8?  I'm still waiting on my back 
order from then.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
shelf life.

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type
did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local
grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
>
> There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
>
> So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
>
> Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot
about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
>> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
holders).
>>
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking
>> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
>> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or
>> fall and then warehoused.
>>
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
>> matter what the expiration date may say.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not
>> bad enough for actual desperation...
>>
>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> Many are.
>>> *From:* James Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> So basically preppers?
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
>>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> 12 month...
>>>
>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in
>>> our pantry.
>>>
>>> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>&

Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[David Coudron]

Sorry for the very slow reply.   We have been putting up towers like crazy 
trying to stay ahead of the weather.   Here are some things we have found that 
in our opinion, moved us toward a Blinq/LTE decision:

  1.  What has been said in this thread about the complexity of LTE is 
absolutely true.   EPCs, Software maintenance agreements, complex tower 
designs, and expensive equipment, are all the norm with LTE.   Very 
frustrating.What we found with Blinq is a relief in some of these 
frustration points:
 *   An option for an embedded EPC.   Still a little more setup than 5 GHz 
type systems, but not really any more difficult than cnMaestro setup for CBRS 
for a new workstation.
 *   More reasonable software maintenance options
 *   Simple network design.   180 degree Access Points, self contained, no 
EPC or other controllers, very simple.  Just run power and fiber to each Access 
Point, just like any other Cambium access point.
 *   Reasonably priced.   The Access Points are about the same as PMP 450m, 
but cover 180 degrees.
  2.  Our problem was not capacity or throughput, it was coverage with lots of 
trees.   Therefore, a solution that had less overall capacity, but better 
coverage was a better fit for us.   After talking with other WISPs that had run 
both 450m and Blinq, we think this fits that requirement.
  3.  We have a number of 450i access points in place.   We understand that 
450i and 450 are not the same due to a few factors, not the least of which is 
max EIRP, however, we can run max EIRP on the Blinqs and we were getting 
non-LOS coverage in our tests we wouldn’t even attempt with the 450i’s.   I 
know that folks will say that 450m will do lots better than 450i, but from 
talking to folks who have run both 450m and Blinq, the LTE technology handles 
trees better than 450m at the same EIRP.   I am not trying to start a war on 
this topic, but that is what we learned.

For folks who need lots of capacity on each tower, the solution we went with 
may not be the right path, and the 450m might be a far better choice.   
However, we have a pretty significant tree problem and felt we had to do 
everything we could to get the best non-LOS we could.

A couple of other notes.  As others have said, cnHeat is awesome.   We modeled 
our towers using their non-LOS settings and tested out the Blinq radios in 
partial LOS and complete non-LOS and compared against the results cnHeat said 
we should get.   It is very accurate.

As others have said the PMP 450m equipment is pretty hard to get, and we had to 
know we could get the equipment for all towers by the middle of Nov.   We 
wouldn’t have been able to do that with 450m and wouldn’t have been able to do 
this project.

I would love to see the Cambium CBRS LTE solution, but we just couldn’t wait 
for it.  This project has to be done by the end of the year.

We’ll know a heck of a lot more in two months when we get several customers on 
each tower.   Right now it is a lot of test results, but not enough real world. 
   We went through this process pretty fast, so take our decisions with a grain 
of salt… 

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

I will provide more detail when back in front of a computer but we tested a few 
different things.  We ended up doing Blinq Networks for a few reasons.  The 
nonLOS was pretty impressive.  More to come

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Jeremy Grip mailto:g...@nbnworks.net>>
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:37:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors


Thought I’d pick up this thread again because I’m looking hard at CBRS LTE for 
my densely forested town, largely because of its alleged foliage penetration.



What’s anybody understand the EIRP limit for a 20Mhz channel to be now in CBRS 
3.65? Can I assume that modeling RSSI in a tool like RMD can serve as a rough 
equivalent of RSRP? Vendor is telling me that where he heatmaps a -100dBm 
signal represents full modulation—does that make any sense? Maybe he’s being a 
little slimy and referring to uplink modulation on a 1T4R UE?



And David—you started this thread and said you were trialling those various 
platforms—anything to report? Did you get your hands on the Baicells and/or 
Airspan stuff?



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors



For CBRS, depending on antenna and channel size, yes it's probably legal.  When 
I went to that Telrad training session a few years ago, CBRS was still a 
hypothetical thing and everyone there was operating under an NN

Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[David Coudron]

 due to mu-mimo.






Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just

straight layer 2 with no bullshit.










On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM

David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>

wrote:











We are looking at a new area to

expand out network that has a lot more tree cover than

our current footprint.   We are thinking with the

combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to

offer better coverage than with traditional fixed

wireless options.   We have started conversations with

the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands

on experience with any of them and what their

impressions were:



Blinq



Airspan



Baicells



Ericsson







The Ericsson equipment is in a class

by itself price wise, but the others are similarly

priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450

stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for

better coverage, but this project will need to be done

before the end of the year and building towers isn’t an

option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that

we think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are

thinking we’d get even better coverage out of LTE.   Any

opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the

four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended

question, but not sure what to ask to be more

specific.   We know that we will have the LTE stuff to

deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so not so

much worried about that as more the manufacturers

themselves.   Baicells concerns us as they may get

lumped in with Huawei.







Thoughts?







Regards,







David Coudron










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Re: [AFMUG] Silos

[David Coudron]

While we certainly haven’t done the engineering work on it, I think that most 
cement stave silos are never really full.   We had one on the dairy farm when 
we were kids.   Even when we fill it all the way up the top is never really 
full since you need enough room to operate the silo unloader.   So the top 3-4 
ft, maybe more is empty.   And, you unload top down in a cement stave silo, so 
after the first day of use, the silo is already getting emptier on the top.   
So I think there never is really much added strength on the top rows of staves 
where we would mount from the silo being full.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 7:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Silos

Somewhat related: is it safe to mount a bunch of equipment on an empt silo?


On Oct 27, 2020, at 8:08 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Yes,

There was  recent thread we started about cement stave silos that folks really 
helped us out on.For Harvestor silos, we usually brace the upper rail to 
make it sturdier.   Biggest thing is we don’t mount very high on those.   We 
keep the radios no higher than the top railing.   For the cement stave silos, 
here is what folks came up with, we are just now making the same brackets.  
Picture attached:



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jeremy Grip
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Silos


I know I’ve seen posts in the dimly remembered past about approaches to 
mounting gear to silos, but…

Looking for approaches to mounting radios, antennas (3.65 and licensed 
backhaul--Cambium/Ceragon, 1-2ft dishes) to both concrete and blue harvestore 
silos. Can’t believe how flimsy the guardrails on top of those harvestores are.

Jeremy Grip
North Branch Networks

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Re: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

[David Coudron]

Hi Sam,

I am not an expert on it, but we have been having pretty good luck with 
LibreNMS alerts.   We did have some custom alerts set up as well by a 
consultant, who did an excellent job.   I can provide his contact info if you 
are interested.   In addition to the normal up/down alerting, we have custom 
alerts set up for utilization on Cambium APs, and for utilization on backhaul 
links.   The backhaul links were particularly challenging as we have to do math 
on a number of OIDs to come up with the utilization number, store it, and then 
alert on it.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Need some help setting up LibreNMS alerts on core network.

Is there anyone out there that could point me in the right direction to get 
alerting set up correctly? I have tried a few times to get AP's to alert me 
when they fail, but Libre seems to have some random ways to determine whether a 
device is up or down.

Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

HI folks,

Just wanted to take a quick moment to thank everyone for the quick and 
incredibly useful information.The solution talked about here will certainly 
work for our purpose.  We are continually humbled by the depth of knowledge and 
willingness to share on this list.

Much appreciated,

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

We do this all the time... beam clamps work fine on the rings.

Here's a picture of the mount I came up with. There's certainly room for 
improvement, if you wanted to put more effort into building a mount, but we've 
used hundreds of these with no problems.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I think the issue is that the bands are tight tight tight to the concrete.  So 
you can’t get anything between the band and the concrete.  At least the ones I 
remember seeing were like that.

From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

If you don't like the beam clamp, you could just as easily drill a hole the 
size of the hoop in some bar stock close to the end then drill a hole for a 
bolt through in the other direction and then cut the stock through the middle 
of the hoop hole creating your own clamp.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
[IMG_20201007_105732.jpg]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes through 
a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in the center 
between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops) with a 2-3/8 HDG 
pipe clamped in the U bolts.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the 
protruding bolt:
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE=aw.ds=en-US=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT=shoppingads

Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Google this:
Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS,

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Weld to the bands?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>&

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

This is very helpful.   Looks like what we’ll have to do.   These are flat 
staves, and our concern is the lack of space between the band and the cement 
stave.   We are looking at some of the beam mentioned in this thread, it looks 
like we will be able to find something in there.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

It depends on the type of staves. If they're the type with ridges, there can be 
a little bit of space, or a lot of space between the bands and the concrete, 
but if they're flat staves, then they'll be very tight to the concrete, and 
you're going to have to have something like a beam clamp.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I think the issue is that the bands are tight tight tight to the concrete.  So 
you can’t get anything between the band and the concrete.  At least the ones I 
remember seeing were like that.

From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

If you don't like the beam clamp, you could just as easily drill a hole the 
size of the hoop in some bar stock close to the end then drill a hole for a 
bolt through in the other direction and then cut the stock through the middle 
of the hoop hole creating your own clamp.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
[IMG_20201007_105732.jpg]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes through 
a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in the center 
between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops) with a 2-3/8 HDG 
pipe clamped in the U bolts.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the 
protruding bolt:
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE=aw.ds=en-US=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT=shoppingads

Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Google this:
Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS,

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Weld to the bands?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Weld to the bands?
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=776

It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some specific 
blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid mounting point.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

Regards,

David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=776

It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some specific 
blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid mounting point.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

Regards,

David Coudron
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[AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave silos for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren't ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren't the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don't know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven't seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

Regards,

David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

[David Coudron]

We started with Hap ac lite and moved to the ac2.   It is significantly better. 
  We had some ethernet port failures on the ac lite here and there, and we have 
not seen that on the ac2 either.   So it is a much better option in our opinion.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

We have deploying the hap-ac-lite for over a year now and love the 
customization that you can do with flashing the routers with a custom 
configuration, graphing, and all the other things that Mikrotiks are capable of.
However, the WiFi sucks a big bag of d#$k. Does anyone have a recommendation in 
the Mikrotik world for WiFi that is pretty affordable that works? I ordered 
some HAP-AC2 but haven't received them. Specs show almost a 7 db gain in 2.4 
and 3 db gain in 5ghz, so maybe that will help out.
We are trying hard not to go the managed WiFi solution as of yet because 
handing money over to someone else to manage something like WiFi is a bummer.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT sunday project

[David Coudron]

They are funny that way…. 

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT sunday project

So, my super duper modular rectifier modular inverter office UPS was not 
working.  It would run for a little while and then have an inverter failure.
Swapping cards, narrowing it down to the control card... but I kept noticing 
low voltage.

So, out of an abundance of caution I actually measured the batts.  43 volts.  
Hmmm.  Rectifier light is on.  Oh yeah... there are some circuit breakers 
behind a panel that you open on the front.

Turns out, that you need to actually turn the charger ON to make the system 
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[David Coudron]

Hi Ryan,

This is probably going deeper than what I should be talking about with 
confidence as our router guys set it up.   But, what we do is any device that 
requests an IP Address that does not have a DHCP reservation in the DHCP server 
gets assigned what we call a Penalty Box address.   We set up a Penalty Box 
subnet for each tower router (have to do this for any router that gets DHCP 
requests) on our central DHCP server and any request coming from one of the 
downstream routers gets a Penalty Box address in the subnet we set up for the 
downstream router getting the DHCP request.  So we have a bunch of Penalty Box 
subnets (100.64.x.x range) and since they aren’t routable, folks can’t get to 
the Internet with a Penalty Box address.   They get a standard (Your account 
isn’t set up, call us) message.  We know if we see assigned addresses in the 
Penalty Box space that something is attached that is set up wrong in Sonar, or 
shouldn’t be attached to our network.

Otherwise, every device is set up on Sonar with their correct MAC and a 
dynamically assigned IP in Sonar.  This is written to the DHCP server on the 
Mikrotik, we just need to do this before plugging in the equipment at the 
customer or it will grab a Penalty Box address first.  This happens quite often 
it isn’t in Sonar before being installed and gets a Penalty box assignment, we 
just delete that Penalty Box assignment after it is set up in Sonar and then 
reboot the device to force a new DHCP request and everything is good.

It takes a little work to set up at first, but after that it has really been 
working well.   The guys at Linktechs set it up for us.   We like it because it 
definitively tells us that the IP in Sonar is accurately tied to the right 
piece of equipment and then we know all of our monitoring, etc is accurate.   
We also know that folks can’t be attaching their own equipment to our network 
this way, as they won’t have service.   The security of it could probably be 
better with VLANs, but this is pretty simple and works well.   If you want to 
dig deeper let me know and I can set up a screen share some time and show you 
the routers where this is set up.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

Can you explain how you’re doing this? How can you assign a different ip in a 
dhcp space?

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:56 AM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
I just saw a post in the Sonar forum that looks pretty similar to this one.   
We don't use Option 82, but otherwise have Sonar write the DHCP table to the 
Mikrotiks.   If someone requests a DHCP that isn't in Sonar, we just assign 
them a Penalty Box IP address that doesn't have access to the Internet.This 
seems to work pretty well.



David Coudron





-Original Message-

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke

Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:40 AM

To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82



I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.



EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch



Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch



EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM



I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to the MAC of 
equipment on the customer account.



The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records the

EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.



But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the ability to get a 
DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just reports 'Offered

DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, Option82 shows the MAC

of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. DHCP Lease time is set to 3 hours.  
At some point between 3-24 hours, the customers router will lose its lease and 
won't be able to renew it.  The only way to get it working again is to reboot 
the EPMP1000 AP.  Rebooting the EPMP300 SM or the

EPMP1000 SM does not fix it.  And it doesn't happen at every lease renewal, 
yesterday it ran for 16 hours before suddenly losing it's lease.



I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing that will 
fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically track them in Sonar.  
I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the EPMP1000, it's had the issue on both 
of them.  Anybody run into something like this before?





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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[David Coudron]

I might be mis-remembering how our stuff is set up, but I don't think the 
Mikrotiks write anything back to Sonar.   Basically, we assign an IP to a MAC 
in Sonar.   That is written to the DHCP server in Mikrotik (basically create a 
DHCP reservation).   Client radio connects and the DHCP request is forwarded to 
the Tik with the DHCP server running.   The Tik assigns the IP and away we go.  
 Sonar doesn't know about successful DHCP assignment or not, we always check 
the DHCP server to see if it is Waiting, Offered, or Bound.   But ours might be 
quite a bit different without Option 82.   

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

No Preseem, and Sonar is only  the receiver of the Data from The Mikrotik via 
the DHCPBatcher, it does not set anything in the Mikrotik.

On 9/20/2020 1:57 PM, David Coudron wrote:
> Do you use Preseem?   The post in the Sonar forum mentioned Preseem and we 
> have been getting some Preseem integration errors recently.   Again, we don't 
> use Option 82, and we aren't seeing any issues other than the annoying error 
> every once in awhile, but I wonder if Sonar is having some issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:48 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82
>
> Hmm, I just had it happen again with Option82 in the EPMP1000 AP 
> turned off.  Maybe there's something else going on.  Still, rebooting 
> the
> EPMP1000 AP is the only thing that fixed it.
>
> On 9/20/2020 12:55 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>> I just saw a post in the Sonar forum that looks pretty similar to this one.  
>>  We don't use Option 82, but otherwise have Sonar write the DHCP table to 
>> the Mikrotiks.   If someone requests a DHCP that isn't in Sonar, we just 
>> assign them a Penalty Box IP address that doesn't have access to the 
>> Internet.This seems to work pretty well.
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:40 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82
>>
>> I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.
>>
>> EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch
>>
>> Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch
>>
>> EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM
>>
>> I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to the MAC 
>> of equipment on the customer account.
>>
>> The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records 
>> the
>> EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.
>>
>> But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the ability to get 
>> a DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just reports 'Offered
>> DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, Option82 shows the MAC
>> of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. DHCP Lease time is set to 3 
>> hours.  At some point between 3-24 hours, the customers router will 
>> lose its lease and won't be able to renew it.  The only way to get it 
>> working again is to reboot the EPMP1000 AP.  Rebooting the EPMP300 SM 
>> or the
>> EPMP1000 SM does not fix it.  And it doesn't happen at every lease renewal, 
>> yesterday it ran for 16 hours before suddenly losing it's lease.
>>
>> I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing that will 
>> fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically track them in 
>> Sonar.  I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the EPMP1000, it's had the 
>> issue on both of them.  Anybody run into something like this before?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[David Coudron]

Do you use Preseem?   The post in the Sonar forum mentioned Preseem and we have 
been getting some Preseem integration errors recently.   Again, we don't use 
Option 82, and we aren't seeing any issues other than the annoying error every 
once in awhile, but I wonder if Sonar is having some issues.

Regards,

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

Hmm, I just had it happen again with Option82 in the EPMP1000 AP turned off.  
Maybe there's something else going on.  Still, rebooting the
EPMP1000 AP is the only thing that fixed it.

On 9/20/2020 12:55 PM, David Coudron wrote:
> I just saw a post in the Sonar forum that looks pretty similar to this one.   
> We don't use Option 82, but otherwise have Sonar write the DHCP table to the 
> Mikrotiks.   If someone requests a DHCP that isn't in Sonar, we just assign 
> them a Penalty Box IP address that doesn't have access to the Internet.
> This seems to work pretty well.
>
> David Coudron
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:40 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82
>
> I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.
>
> EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch
>
> Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch
>
> EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM
>
> I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to the MAC of 
> equipment on the customer account.
>
> The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records 
> the
> EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.
>
> But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the ability to get 
> a DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just reports 'Offered
> DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, Option82 shows the MAC
> of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. DHCP Lease time is set to 3 
> hours.  At some point between 3-24 hours, the customers router will 
> lose its lease and won't be able to renew it.  The only way to get it 
> working again is to reboot the EPMP1000 AP.  Rebooting the EPMP300 SM 
> or the
> EPMP1000 SM does not fix it.  And it doesn't happen at every lease renewal, 
> yesterday it ran for 16 hours before suddenly losing it's lease.
>
> I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing that will 
> fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically track them in 
> Sonar.  I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the EPMP1000, it's had the 
> issue on both of them.  Anybody run into something like this before?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[David Coudron]

I just saw a post in the Sonar forum that looks pretty similar to this one.   
We don't use Option 82, but otherwise have Sonar write the DHCP table to the 
Mikrotiks.   If someone requests a DHCP that isn't in Sonar, we just assign 
them a Penalty Box IP address that doesn't have access to the Internet.This 
seems to work pretty well.   

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:40 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.

EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch

Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch

EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM

I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to the MAC of 
equipment on the customer account.

The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records the
EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.

But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the ability to get a 
DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just reports 'Offered 
DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, Option82 shows the MAC 
of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. DHCP Lease time is set to 3 hours.  
At some point between 3-24 hours, the customers router will lose its lease and 
won't be able to renew it.  The only way to get it working again is to reboot 
the EPMP1000 AP.  Rebooting the EPMP300 SM or the
EPMP1000 SM does not fix it.  And it doesn't happen at every lease renewal, 
yesterday it ran for 16 hours before suddenly losing it's lease.

I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing that will 
fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically track them in Sonar.  
I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the EPMP1000, it's had the issue on both 
of them.  Anybody run into something like this before?


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Re: [AFMUG] FBI Virus?

[David Coudron]

D@mn!t.   I just lost $5.

I was totally betting the other way. 

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 2:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FBI Virus?

She Called me back!  It was a legitimate request, but Its not for one of our 
customers.  Isn't an address we could even service.  I'm thinking she might 
have been looking for the cable company with a similar name.

On 9/18/2020 2:06 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I called the local FBI Field office, Not using the number provided, 
> and that is a legit person, and I left her a voicemail. Interesting to 
> see what happens.
>
> On 9/18/2020 2:04 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> On 9/18/20 11:49 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> I got this message to the INFO mailbox of a company we acquired a 
>>> year ago.  Everything about it says that it's spam, but the headers 
>>> look legit.  Although the 153.31.119.142 IP address does not exist 
>>> in the ARIN whois. BGP.he.net says that it's part of a /17 assigned 
>>> to the FBI. It has an attached PDF that I have not yet opened. (file 
>>> name SBP634366-WOW125412.pdf)  I can't imagine this is anything 
>>> other than Spam/virus?  Is it possible this is how the FBI Actually 
>>> sends out things?
>>
>>
>>
>> I've never personally had a legit request randomly show up in email; 
>> they've always called me ahead of sending such things unless they're 
>> planning to raid your office.
>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] FBI Virus?

[David Coudron]

Sounds like a fair amount of caution is warranted.  Just talked to an Office365 
hosted email customer.   One of their folks clicked on a PDF from a legitimate 
vendor of theirs with a pretty legitimate looking PDF labeled attachment.   It 
changed a few of their email addresses to auto forward to a gmail account.   
Easy to fix, but took them awhile to figure out why those accounts weren't 
getting email.

Regards,

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FBI Virus?

Googled the number and email address.  no results.

On 9/18/2020 1:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> I would call the number, at least google the number.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I got this message to the INFO mailbox of a company we acquired a year ago. 
>>  Everything about it says that it's spam, but the headers look legit.  
>> Although the 153.31.119.142 IP address does not exist in the ARIN whois.  
>> BGP.he.net says that it's part of a /17 assigned to the FBI.  It has an 
>> attached PDF that I have not yet opened. (file name SBP634366-WOW125412.pdf) 
>>  I can't imagine this is anything other than Spam/virus?  Is it possible 
>> this is how the FBI Actually sends out things?
>>
>> What's the best way to open a suspect PDF File?
>>
>>
>> _
>>
>> *** CHILD EXPLOITATION ***
>>
>> Good afternoon - please review the attached administrative subpoena and 
>> proceed accordingly - thank you and have a great weekend!
>>
>> AS Jennifer L. Isom
>> FBI Chicago
>> Violent Crimes Against Children
>> 312-829-5835
>>
>>
>> -
>> Email Headers:
>> Received: from mx-east-ic.fbi.gov ([153.31.119.142])
>> Received: from unknown (HELO HQV2-UEMBX-401.fbi.gov) ([10.93.22.26])
>>   by mx-east-ic.fbi.gov with ESMTP; 18 Sep 2020 14:21:58 -0400
>> Received: from hqv2-uembx-402.FBI.GOV (10.90.70.12) by 
>> hqv2-uembx-401.FBI.GOV
>> (10.90.70.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Fri, 
>> 18 Sep
>> 2020 14:21:57 -0400
>> Received: from USG02-CY1-obe.outbound.protection.office365.us 
>> (10.90.70.8) by hqv2-uembx-402.FBI.GOV (10.90.70.12) with Microsoft 
>> SMTP Server (TLS) id
>> 15.0.1497.2 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 18 Sep 2020 14:21:57 -0400
>>
>> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass 
>> smtp.mailfrom=fbi.gov; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=fbi.gov; 
>> dkim=pass header.d=fbi.gov; arc=none
>> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 
>> d=dojfbi.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-dojfbi-onmicrosoft-com;
>> h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchang
>> e-SenderADCheck; bh=vBv3/mLV7bc3i7PO8fotIxOyxMy562h5qqwbW3309QI=;
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Re: [AFMUG] Remote Workers and Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

I believe you still have to cover them with Workers Comp, but you can use a job 
code that correctly identifies what they do.   We have our workers split 
between the technicians and the folks in the office.   The office folks are 
under an office worker job code even though  they are working remote.   But 
they still require workers comp as long as they are employees the way we 
understand it.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 8:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Workers and Workers Comp

If workers are totally remote clerical/accounting/networking/sales, what is 
required
for workers comp?
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

Yes, but again, we don't have our techs doing tower work.   We either do that 
ourselves or hire it out.The techs are basically doing the exact same thing 
as a satellite TV or cable TV technician.   

Regards,

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes  
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron 
; Ken Hohhof 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

Your broker was OK with that?

Code 7600 applies to the operation of telephone (including cellular telephone), 
telegraph or cable television companies (including direct television satellite 
companies).

On 9/16/20 9:34 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> Our techs are 7600.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:16 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Ken Hohhof 
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
> 
> Are you classified as 0757 for your techs?
> 
> On 9/16/20 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Is it still the same with insurers that you ask why you are high risk 
>> assuming it is ladders and roofs and towers, and they say oh no that's fine, 
>> it's the Internet that's high risk?
>>
>> Which I never understood unless you are getting errors & omissions 
>> insurance.  But they are comfortable with the risk of falling off a roof, 
>> but this newfangled thing called the Internet apparently involves scary 
>> things like hackers and viruses and stuff.
>>
>> You say telecom though, that would seem to be broader than just Internet.  
>> So hooking up a phone system is also high risk?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
>>
>> Who is the underlying carrier you're using and what employee code?
>>
>> On 9/16/20 7:45 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>>> We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is 
>>> nice because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to 
>>> mess around with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they 
>>> do audits.   We still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our 
>>> liability, so no big surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as 
>>> well, which is nice when we get requests for them.   They seem to be about 
>>> the same price as everyone else, but you need to use them for payroll, 
>>> which we were doing anyway.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>>> 
>>> Advantenon, Inc.
>>> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, 
>>> MN 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 
>>> 612-454-1545
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:31 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
>>>
>>> Who do you all have your workers comp insurance with?  Unitel is not the 
>>> insurance company, they are just a broker.
>>>
>>> Who is your underlying carrier?
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

The carrier behind ADP is Travelers.




-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Ken Hohhof 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

Our techs are 7600.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Ken Hohhof 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

Are you classified as 0757 for your techs?

On 9/16/20 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Is it still the same with insurers that you ask why you are high risk 
> assuming it is ladders and roofs and towers, and they say oh no that's fine, 
> it's the Internet that's high risk?
> 
> Which I never understood unless you are getting errors & omissions insurance. 
>  But they are comfortable with the risk of falling off a roof, but this 
> newfangled thing called the Internet apparently involves scary things like 
> hackers and viruses and stuff.
> 
> You say telecom though, that would seem to be broader than just Internet.  So 
> hooking up a phone system is also high risk?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron 
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
> 
> Who is the underlying carrier you're using and what employee code?
> 
> On 9/16/20 7:45 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>> We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is nice 
>> because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to mess 
>> around with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they do 
>> audits.   We still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our 
>> liability, so no big surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as 
>> well, which is nice when we get requests for them.   They seem to be about 
>> the same price as everyone else, but you need to use them for payroll, which 
>> we were doing anyway.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> David Coudron
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>>
>> Advantenon, Inc.
>> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
>>  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:31 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
>>
>> Who do you all have your workers comp insurance with?  Unitel is not the 
>> insurance company, they are just a broker.
>>
>> Who is your underlying carrier?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

Our techs are 7600.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Ken Hohhof 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

Are you classified as 0757 for your techs?

On 9/16/20 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Is it still the same with insurers that you ask why you are high risk 
> assuming it is ladders and roofs and towers, and they say oh no that's fine, 
> it's the Internet that's high risk?
> 
> Which I never understood unless you are getting errors & omissions insurance. 
>  But they are comfortable with the risk of falling off a roof, but this 
> newfangled thing called the Internet apparently involves scary things like 
> hackers and viruses and stuff.
> 
> You say telecom though, that would seem to be broader than just Internet.  So 
> hooking up a phone system is also high risk?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron 
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
> 
> Who is the underlying carrier you're using and what employee code?
> 
> On 9/16/20 7:45 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>> We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is nice 
>> because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to mess 
>> around with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they do 
>> audits.   We still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our 
>> liability, so no big surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as 
>> well, which is nice when we get requests for them.   They seem to be about 
>> the same price as everyone else, but you need to use them for payroll, which 
>> we were doing anyway.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> David Coudron
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>>
>> Advantenon, Inc.
>> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
>>  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:31 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
>>
>> Who do you all have your workers comp insurance with?  Unitel is not the 
>> insurance company, they are just a broker.
>>
>> Who is your underlying carrier?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

I will look to see what code they have us under.   I will have to get the boss 
involved (my wife who does our benefits and payroll  ).   

Regards,

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes  
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

Who is the underlying carrier you're using and what employee code?

On 9/16/20 7:45 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is nice 
> because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to mess 
> around with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they do 
> audits.   We still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our 
> liability, so no big surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as 
> well, which is nice when we get requests for them.   They seem to be about 
> the same price as everyone else, but you need to use them for payroll, which 
> we were doing anyway.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Coudron
> 
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
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> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:31 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
> 
> Who do you all have your workers comp insurance with?  Unitel is not the 
> insurance company, they are just a broker.
> 
> Who is your underlying carrier?
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

There was some discussion at first, but in the end the found a work code to put 
our guys under they were comfortable with.   I believe it is the same code as a 
satellite TV installer would be under.   That is a pretty good fit for our 
normal customer installation work.   The very limited amount of tower work that 
we do didn't tip the scales.   And since we don't build towers or erect the 
structures, being on a tower a few times a year didn't amount to enough to 
worry them.

Regards,


-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes  
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; David Coudron 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

How are you using ADP?  ADP doesn't peer with anyone who does "high-risk" 
workers comp insurance to cover telecommunications.

On 9/16/20 7:45 AM, David Coudron wrote:
> We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is nice 
> because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to mess 
> around with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they do 
> audits.   We still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our 
> liability, so no big surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as 
> well, which is nice when we get requests for them.   They seem to be about 
> the same price as everyone else, but you need to use them for payroll, which 
> we were doing anyway.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Coudron
> 
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>   
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> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 
> 612-454-1545
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:31 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

[David Coudron]

We are using ADP for our payroll and get workers comp from them.  It is nice 
because they take premiums from every payroll and we don't have to mess around 
with estimating premiums and making up the difference when they do audits.   We 
still get the audits, but what we have been paying is our liability, so no big 
surprises.   They are pretty quick to get out COIs as well, which is nice when 
we get requests for them.   They seem to be about the same price as everyone 
else, but you need to use them for payroll, which we were doing anyway.

Regards,

David Coudron

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Subject: [AFMUG] Workers Comp

Who do you all have your workers comp insurance with?  Unitel is not the 
insurance company, they are just a broker. 

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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[David Coudron]

This is very helpful conversation, we definitely appreciate the input.   As 
Trey mentioned has anyone been able to compare tree penetration of the two 
solutions?   That is the main issue for us.  The comments about complexity and 
so on are what has kept us away from the LTE based products thus far, and from 
watching the Baicells Facebook page, stability and can also be an issue.   We 
are just wondering if now is the time to take on the complexity if it brings a 
notable improvement in the heavily treed areas and gives us some real Non LOS 
coverage.   If it is incremental at best, or not much of an improvement, we 
already have an investment in PMP 450 and the 450m would be a heck of a lot 
more comfortable to us.  But if there is notable improvement, it might be the 
time to invest the effort into learning a new platform.

A couple of you mentioned trying LTE and then also working with 450m.   Is the 
Non LOS coverage about the same when they were both working correctly, or was 
there a big difference?

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors


Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and Cambium? I 
am mainly looking at tree penetration or lower DB signals to actual throughput 
comparison. I have been told that LTE gets a little better tree penetration but 
if that is at a low rate that really doesn't help any.
On 9/12/2020 10:03 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
It comes down to complexity. Ericsson, Nokia, etc are all cellular brands and 
to run and manage those complex LTE networks, you need full time engineers to 
manage, debug, and optimize things.

Cambium is so easy, in comparison, there's very little extra learning to do in 
order to get it running great. Ericsson LTE probably would require months of 
training and needing to hire someone just to run the gear or hire expensive 
consultants to do it for you.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
450m is the only way to do, especially if your already using the 450 platform 
in other parts of your network, there is an operator in my area with the 
Ericson system and they had a ton of issues with getting it up and running, not 
even sure if they ever got it all resolved.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:00 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Yup what josh said lol.

We tried the LTE thing and glad we switch to 450m...much easier.

-Sean


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying the 
450m sooner.


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On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:









And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff.

You'll max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO.  I think

part of the magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously

low signal, but on a fixed system you probably won't really want the

trashy signals anyway.


Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth.  The CBRS version

is supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget

precisely when).


I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no

EPC", but definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry

about.  The connection from eNB to EPC has to be pristine,

and the EPC comes with its own set of new terminology and new

concepts to figure out.





On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl

wrote:







I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS

stating coverage is nearly the same as LTE but way better speeds

and triple the aggregate capacity due to mu-mimo.



Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just

straight layer 2 with no bullshit.






On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM

David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>>

wrote:





We are looking at a new area to

expand out network that has a lot more tree cover than

our current footprint.   We are thinking with the

combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to

offer better coverage than with traditional fixed

wireless options.   We have started conversations with

the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands

on experience with any of them and what their

impressions were:

Blinq

Airspan

Baicells

Ericsson



The Ericsson equipment is in a class

by itself price wise, but the others are similarly

priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450

stuff.   N

[AFMUG] LTE vendors

[David Coudron]

We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more tree 
cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the combination of 
CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage than with 
traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started conversations with the 
following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands on experience with any of 
them and what their impressions were:
Blinq
Airspan
Baicells
Ericsson

The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others are 
similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450 stuff.   
Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but this project 
will need to be done before the end of the year and building towers isn't an 
option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we think we can do this 
with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we'd get even better coverage out of LTE.   
Any opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the four vendors 
above?   Sorry for such an open ended question, but not sure what to ask to be 
more specific.   We know that we will have the LTE stuff to deal with like 
access to an EPC and so on, so not so much worried about that as more the 
manufacturers themselves.   Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with 
Huawei.

Thoughts?

Regards,

David Coudron

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[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

[David Coudron]

Funny you should mention the positive tests issue.   Buddy of mine owns a 
roofing company.   General contractor says all subs have to have their people 
tested or they can’t be on site.   Buddy sends three of his guys down to the 
testing site to get tested.   They check in, give them the names, phone 
numbers, etc. and sit down to wait to get tested.   After 30 minutes they ask 
how long this is going to take.   Nurse says 4-5 hours before they will be able 
to be tested.  They say, the heck with it, we aren’t waiting that long and go 
back to work.   All three get a letter 2 days later saying they have tested 
positive.They thought it was pretty funny.   My buddy didn’t because he was 
supposed to show the general proof of testing and he sure as heck didn’t want 
to show the general a false positive letter.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world

lol, two of the nurses here that were exposed filled out their testing 
paperwork at the site, they got called back into work before they could get 
swabbed. they received their positive results a couple days later... on the 
tests they didnt take. the positive tests arent all that reliable either my 
friend.

My guess is that site had a bad order design and wasnt matching samples to 
names. they did recently change their registration process.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:32 AM Robert Andrews 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
I was educated on the reliability of negative results.   Good friend,
well connected, friends with the Dr. in charge of Nevada testing.

While a positive result is very reliable, the negatives are very much
not so.   AT THE BEST, when an infected is in optimal test time, 5-8
days into the infecting the current test is only 85% accurate.   Outside
of that time range it falls each day on either side to 46% or worse!.

  Get an antibody test if it's after 12 days from the infection.  They
are much more accurate with rates in the 99% range positive/negative.

  Here in Nevada they hand out a sheet that says "If you have symptoms
isolate for 14 days regardless of results" nobody really reads that sheet.

On 09/09/2020 08:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> We had one employee, all the symptoms.  Got a test, got results back  in
> about 4 hours $100  Not positive.  I was astounded they turned it around
> that fast.
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 8:58 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world
>
> Yeah, it’s like the colleges that invite all the kids on campus then
> after a week send them back home all over the country when (surprise,
> surprise) they get a bunch of positive tests.  Fauci is trying to tell
> them at that point they’re doing the worst thing, once they’re on
> campus, keep them there, maybe isolate the sick ones.  But don’t send
> them back home to spread the virus.
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 8, 2020 11:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [SPAM] Re: COVID Exposure and the real world
>
> so, the wife ended up not catching it, a couple nurses did. in the last
> couple weeks shes had 2 more exposures from the same nonsense. we arent
> going into lockdown every time anymore, just notifying everybody and
> wearing masks for two weeks even though they dont do anything (purely an
> issue of criminal liability).
>
> Last saturday my piece of shit brother in law dropped his kid off to us,
> didnt bother to mention to us that he (the brother) had been sick for a
> couple days and lost his sense of taste. we went to a family gathering
> with the nephew. the brothers gf test came back postive on sunday
> (another thing he didnt mention. so of course everybody at the family
> function went on lock down. the nephew had only been at his dads since
> friday and was never around the gf. he hadnt been exposed long enough to
> spread it, the likelyhood of contact contamination of clothing is near
> zero. But we reported to everybody who was there, my cousins kids
> couldnt go back to school til the boy had a negative test, etc.
>
> the three year old came back negative, everybody was good.
>
> The brother in law tested positive on monday.
>
> no big deal
>
> til he tells my wife hes having a covid party, him, his gf, and a few of
> their friends who are positive. Not a huge deal, except they have my 3
> year old nephew there, who WAS negative.
>
> This is the nonsense that makes this ting and issue, people willfully
> putting others at risk and doing unneccessarily risky things (ill
> guarantee some in this group have been at the bar in the last week).
> Theyre all on public health 10 day quarantines, but out in public
> 

Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

[David Coudron]

We looked at this, and it still may be something we need to consider.   I am 
afraid that LOS sensitive frequencies still wouldn’t reach some of them that 
are less than 1 mile away due to trees.   A good alternative might be to have 
them put up 60-70 ft antenna structures.   That would help with the trees on 
their property and close by.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] TV White Space

We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas.   
The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles from a 
decent tower structure, but really want service.   We have usually either 
passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from other 
customers or some other messy scenario.   We are looking for a workable non-los 
solution for these few spots.   We don’t need to get dozens of folks on a 
tower, and a higher than normal cost is OK, but it needs to be stable enough it 
is better than the relays and other messy solutions we have come up with.   We 
keep looking at 900 MHz, but it looks like Cambium is the only one left in this 
game, and we are pretty worried about noise as we are in the middle of farm 
country and the RTK stuff is pretty prevalent.   Has anyone had enough 
experience with TV white space to develop an opinion on its ability to be used 
in this situation?   There only seems to be two vendors in this space, Redline 
and Carlson, but maybe there are others we are missing.   We are looking for a 
solution that would cover customers 5-7 miles in non-los situations with rate 
plans of 20-25 Mbps.   Is this possible?

Regards,

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

[David Coudron]

Hi folks,

Thanks for the feedback, this was what we were looking for.   It looks like the 
TVWS is a non-starter, but we should take another  look at 900 MHz.   We are 
fortunate in that the areas are typically grouped very narrowly in one 
direction.  We figured we could cover the area with a 10 degree sector if we 
could find one that narrow.   We’ll see what we can find for 900 MHz equipment 
out there.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:43 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

Oops, 26 MHz, not 28.  902-928.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:50 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

I keep hearing about Microsoft and its Airband initiative.  I have no idea why 
Microsoft thinks that TVWS has merit or what technology they bring to the 
party, but I guess you could investigate it.  I have to agree with the others, 
it was never very attractive, and gets less so as time passes and people want 
to do video streaming and Zoom meetings and download 100 GB games over the 
Internet, and as other technologies advance.

I would also ask, what if Starlink actually works, and is months away from 
general availability.  It may not be a threat to WISPs in general (or maybe it 
is), but it would seem to solve this particular problem.  And what if Starlink 
succeeds in getting RDOF or CAF subsidy money?  Wouldn’t you just be lighting 
hundred dollar bills on fire?

As far as 900 MHz, we stopped using it.  The reason wasn’t so much RTK (a lot 
of which is moving to 450 MHz anyway), but smartgrid and smartmeters.  If the 
power company or other utilities put in 900 MHz smartmeters, kiss 900 MHz 
goodbye for broadband.  The other problem was that it was always more art than 
science, sometimes it wouldn’t work and the reasons wouldn’t be clear.  It’s 
touch to plan or troubleshoot when, by definition, you don’t have clear line of 
sight.  There’s also the issue of other WISPs in 900 MHz, but it sounds like 
you wouldn’t have this issue.

But the Cambium 450 900 MHz stuff does work, and even though you only have 28 
MHz total to work with, you can use a wide enough channel to get decent speeds. 
 We still have one AP in service with a handful of customers on it.  I would 
steer clear of 900 MHz omni antennas though.  If you can’t justify sectors, 
just don’t do it.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space


If they are in a cluster, this could possibly be a viable option.



bp


On 9/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] TV White Space

We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas.   
The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles from a 
decent tower structure, but really want service.   We have usually either 
passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from other 
customers or some other messy scenario.   We are looking for a workable non-los 
solution for these few spots.   We don’t need to get dozens of folks on a 
tower, and a higher than normal cost is OK, but it needs to be stable enough it 
is better than the relays and other messy solutions we have come up with.   We 
keep looking at 900 MHz, but it looks like Cambium is the only one left in this 
game, and we are pretty worried about noise as we are in the middle of farm 
country and the RTK stuff is pretty prevalent.   Has anyone had enough 
experience with TV white space to develop an opinion on its ability to be used 
in this situation?   There only seems to be two vendors in this space, Redline 
and Carlson, but maybe there are others we are missing.   We are looking for a 
solution that would cover customers 5-7 miles in non-los situations with rate 
plans of 20-25 Mbps.   Is this possible?

Regards,

David Coudron

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[AFMUG] TV White Space

[David Coudron]

We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage areas.   
The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles from a 
decent tower structure, but really want service.   We have usually either 
passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from other 
customers or some other messy scenario.   We are looking for a workable non-los 
solution for these few spots.   We don't need to get dozens of folks on a 
tower, and a higher than normal cost is OK, but it needs to be stable enough it 
is better than the relays and other messy solutions we have come up with.   We 
keep looking at 900 MHz, but it looks like Cambium is the only one left in this 
game, and we are pretty worried about noise as we are in the middle of farm 
country and the RTK stuff is pretty prevalent.   Has anyone had enough 
experience with TV white space to develop an opinion on its ability to be used 
in this situation?   There only seems to be two vendors in this space, Redline 
and Carlson, but maybe there are others we are missing.   We are looking for a 
solution that would cover customers 5-7 miles in non-los situations with rate 
plans of 20-25 Mbps.   Is this possible?

Regards,

David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

[David Coudron]

I don’t have a formal list of steps, but basically as a first time applier as 
an ISP, I think you move to the top of the list to get a /24.   I am working 
from memory, but this is how I remember it.   I will also be applying for a new 
block and will validate steps.


  1.  Get your ARIN number (sounds like you have already applied)   This goes 
pretty quickly.  Once that is in place, you can get the request moving.
  2.  Since this is your first ARIN request, use the ISP request, not the end 
user request.   Although either could work,  I think you will get one assigned 
more quickly that way.   The first time I applied, they redirected me to the 
ISP request anyway.
  3.  Follow their questions about usage and request size.   Use their template 
to provide information about what you are already using for IPs and what you 
will use this block for.   You can download the spreadsheet example and fill 
that out, it is a link on one of the form pages once you start applying.
  4.  Submit everything to them.  You will likely need to update information a 
couple of times, but they are pretty good about telling you what needs to be 
fixed.
  5.  Get your ASN going as soon as you can.   That is a separate process and 
fee, but will be needed.


I will try to take screen shots as I am running through it today.  It is a lot 
of information, but it isn’t terrible to get through.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Sure if you have the steps written down, I would love a copy.  I just applied 
for an account this morning.

From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs


Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam


On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.

So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.
I don’t have my own ASN yet.

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/

You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

Mark

On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the customers 
that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

[David Coudron]

Also, 

WISPA and ARIN are putting on a Webinar on Thursday on how to request IP 
Addresses.  This link should get you registered:

http://members.wispa.org/ct.php?lid=80639459=42840087489

Not sure if it is specific to our organization or not.

Regards,

David Coudron


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Meluskey
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs


https://auctions.ipv4.global/


On 5 Sep 2020, at 15:30, Chuck McCown wrote:

> What is a c block going for these days?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

[David Coudron]

Yes,

It is still a thing.   ARIN is still offering that from what I can tell.   
However, we were able to get a /24 without going that route 5-6 months back.  
Looks like you can still do that, but will need to wait 2 months or so.   We 
are just starting the process to get a new /24.   Chuck, let me know if you 
want to copy the steps.   Basically you will need to get registered with ARIN 
first, you will also need an ASN if you don’t have one.   After that, it is 
just filling out the spreadsheets Steve mentioned.

Thanks,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs


Is the v6 transition pool still a thing?  I'm pretty sure if you sign up for 
IPv6 you can then get a /24 from the the V4 to V6 transition pool.  Sounds like 
a /24 would tide you over for awhile.

-Adam


On 9/7/2020 12:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not sure what to tell them.  I have my own fiber network.  2 customers.  Just 
getting started.  Hope to have 10 customers by the end of the month and maybe 
25 by the end of the year.

I am using some NOC services of another company.  I am paying them per 
customer.  Kinda a white label thing.  Once I grow  to a certain point it will 
make financial sense to do it all myself.

So, I want them for my own company, but I want them to live in another 
interconnected company.
I don’t have my own ASN yet.

From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

Or for IPv4 you might want this page: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv4/request/

You didn’t say if you are buying from others or asking ARIN for addresses.   
Either way you have to get it approved by ARIN - so don’t skip that part or it 
will delay being able to purchase IPv4 (if that’s the way you are going).

Mark


On Sep 7, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have never done this before personally.  Where do I start?
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

It's really easy if you just submit some data saying you have the customers 
that need those IPs.  The ARIN folk are really cool and smart.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I can wait...
Never personally applied before. Guess I am going to have to learn that
process.
Can I get a block and then assign it to another company for them to use?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New IPs

$0... ARIN is finding them if you can wait a month or two.

Otherwise we just purchased one for $5,000.

On 9/5/20 3:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> What is a c block going for these days?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??

[David Coudron]

And, I think I would have used a different picture in my promotional video 
after I realized it was installed upside down  

Regards,

David Coudron

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Who installed this??

I was just watching one of Rise Broadband's videos and there's a shot where 
someone installed a RadioWaves radome upside down.

That would drive me crazy everytime I saw it on the tower, even if it wasn't 
mine.
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[David Coudron]

I started carrying the Mikrokik mAP.   Set up the wireless to DHCP an address 
to my laptop in a subnet range we never use on our network and add outside 
addresses for all the common subnets you’d normally plug your laptop into.   
The mAP plugs into USB for power so you only need the ethernet cable to plug 
into your network with.  Works pretty well, just need to get all the outside 
IPs on one time.   Also means your laptop doesn’t have to be within ethernet 
cord distance of the device you want to plug in to if you have USB or POE for 
the mAP to plug into.   This is nice on top of grain legs, where plug the mAP 
into the cabinet and fine a comfortable place to perch up top to work on the 
laptop rather than being pinched in a corner by the cabinet.


Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.
Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.
Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.
Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[David Coudron]

I don’t know about the legal part of it.   However, you may just want to send 
someone to make it all go away.   Whether he deserves a ride or not, the 
trouble and stress from dealing with his complaining might not be worth the 
trade in time.My thought is to get the trouble making employees as far away 
from the rest of the employees as soon as possible.   No good can come from him 
making a scene.

Regards,

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 12:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this morning.  We 
have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to see him go.  We 
hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to take him back to our 
office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a person or vehicle at that site.  I 
don’t want to send someone special over to that site to haul him.  Both the 
supervisor and I told him he can sit on the side of the street until we are 
done for the day and we will take him back.

He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying it is Utah 
law that you have to give him a ride.

Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably sent 
someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send any of the 
women.

Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport someone 
back to their vehicle if you terminate them?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

[David Coudron]

Yes, probably right.   Still some skill upgrades necessary as my current 
gathering is limited to pushing packages into a shopping cart.  

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:39 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

Chicken hunter, really?  More like chicken gatherer.  Unless you see yourself 
as Henery Hawk intending to eat Foghorn Leghorn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henery_Hawk


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

D@m^it.Guess I better get my hammer swinging skills up to speed as well as 
my spear throwing skills.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

The fact that you chose hunter will mean that you are taken out first or are 
captured and forced to be a platform builder.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 7:24 AM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
I didn’t follow all of it, but my take away is that I will need to choose (or 
have chosen for me) between hunter, gatherer, or platform builder.   I am 
choosing hunter.   I expect that is the best way to ensure a good supply of 
chicken thighs (tying in an old thread).

While I like to see distribution of tech management between more than a few of 
the tech giants, I also worry what it means to have millions of computing 
devices that are more open to being hacked.   For us, I am sure that it means 
more calls like “I just ran a speed test from my phone and I am getting .2 
Mbps”.   Our reply “Well our monitoring is showing that device receiving 84 
Mbps (or some other crazy traffic amount)”.

That is probably our “new normal” ☹

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 12:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

So this fella is ceo of epic games. They built the unreal engine that runs the 
games. They also own fortnite.
Fortnite is pissing with apple and to some degree, google with the mobile 
version of fortnite. In app purchase system and all. Apple and google kicked 
them out of the store.
Android already allows you to load apps off store by lowering the security. 
With the popularity of fortnite, I'm betting apple ultimately makes a similar 
concession

Sysadmins globally have given themselves access to play fortnite. I dont play 
it, but I watch people who do, it's like a cult.

So, you have a single entity with code control of target systems globally, port 
forward into games running the engine on all platforms and now the mobile 
market.

He is a tree hugger, donated a boatload of cash to save the forest 
organizations.

I'd like to think hes been building a massive exploit into all of it, 
collecting systems data for all this time.

He owns the world's largest, most entrenched botnet.

My conspiracy theory is he is a good man who knows the internet and tech in 
general is the downfall of man and he has a kill switch exploit that will 
infect everything, take down anything connected, and anything one airgap 
disconnected.

Once apple submits he will be pwning all the world's systems. He will execute 
his master code update and it will all go down and all the neckbeard will 
emerge from their basements and server rooms into daylight. They will not 
understand the hateful nature of the world, but they're all void of any natural 
inclination to not just drop everyone they see, it will be neckbeard battle 
royale IRL. They aren't strong, but they outnumber us and they're trained to 
form clans quickly with strangers.

Most of us will be no scoped in the first 24 hours of the ensuing battle. The 
rest will quickly be captured and put to work building wooden platforms into 
the sky.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

[David Coudron]

D@m^it.Guess I better get my hammer swinging skills up to speed as well as 
my spear throwing skills.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

The fact that you chose hunter will mean that you are taken out first or are 
captured and forced to be a platform builder.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 7:24 AM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
I didn’t follow all of it, but my take away is that I will need to choose (or 
have chosen for me) between hunter, gatherer, or platform builder.   I am 
choosing hunter.   I expect that is the best way to ensure a good supply of 
chicken thighs (tying in an old thread).

While I like to see distribution of tech management between more than a few of 
the tech giants, I also worry what it means to have millions of computing 
devices that are more open to being hacked.   For us, I am sure that it means 
more calls like “I just ran a speed test from my phone and I am getting .2 
Mbps”.   Our reply “Well our monitoring is showing that device receiving 84 
Mbps (or some other crazy traffic amount)”.

That is probably our “new normal” ☹

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 12:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

So this fella is ceo of epic games. They built the unreal engine that runs the 
games. They also own fortnite.
Fortnite is pissing with apple and to some degree, google with the mobile 
version of fortnite. In app purchase system and all. Apple and google kicked 
them out of the store.
Android already allows you to load apps off store by lowering the security. 
With the popularity of fortnite, I'm betting apple ultimately makes a similar 
concession

Sysadmins globally have given themselves access to play fortnite. I dont play 
it, but I watch people who do, it's like a cult.

So, you have a single entity with code control of target systems globally, port 
forward into games running the engine on all platforms and now the mobile 
market.

He is a tree hugger, donated a boatload of cash to save the forest 
organizations.

I'd like to think hes been building a massive exploit into all of it, 
collecting systems data for all this time.

He owns the world's largest, most entrenched botnet.

My conspiracy theory is he is a good man who knows the internet and tech in 
general is the downfall of man and he has a kill switch exploit that will 
infect everything, take down anything connected, and anything one airgap 
disconnected.

Once apple submits he will be pwning all the world's systems. He will execute 
his master code update and it will all go down and all the neckbeard will 
emerge from their basements and server rooms into daylight. They will not 
understand the hateful nature of the world, but they're all void of any natural 
inclination to not just drop everyone they see, it will be neckbeard battle 
royale IRL. They aren't strong, but they outnumber us and they're trained to 
form clans quickly with strangers.

Most of us will be no scoped in the first 24 hours of the ensuing battle. The 
rest will quickly be captured and put to work building wooden platforms into 
the sky.

We will return to a simpler time, hunters, gatherers and platform builders.
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Re: [AFMUG] Geothermal Power Quality

[David Coudron]

We have been on Geo Thermal since 2009.   From everything I know about them (I 
got a lot deeper into how they worked than I planned due to the complexity of 
our house; 2 zones plus heated garage plus infloor heat) I don’t know why 
generator versus non-generator makes a difference.   You want to keep from 
cycling the compressors often like any system with a compressor.  So if the 
generator comes on and stays on as a stable electrical source, he should be 
fine.  Other than that, I am not aware that they care about the electrical feed 
coming in.   Just 220V like the furnace, water heater, stove, or any other high 
use appliance.   There are different kinds of Geos out there, but I think all 
are basically centered around the compressor and a fancy control board that 
controls the compressor and pumps.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Geothermal Power Quality

My brother has a geothermal heating\cooling system. The primary reason he got a 
generator was to run the geothermal system.

The people that sold the geothermal system to him told him that he shouldn't 
run the geothermal system on the generator.

Why would this be?

Could he purchase a line conditioner of some sort to clean the power before it 
gets to the geothermal system?



I'm not sure of the size, but it's one of those Bobcat portable 
welder\generators and he hooks it up to a transfer switch at the meter for his 
farm.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

[David Coudron]

I didn’t follow all of it, but my take away is that I will need to choose (or 
have chosen for me) between hunter, gatherer, or platform builder.   I am 
choosing hunter.   I expect that is the best way to ensure a good supply of 
chicken thighs (tying in an old thread).

While I like to see distribution of tech management between more than a few of 
the tech giants, I also worry what it means to have millions of computing 
devices that are more open to being hacked.   For us, I am sure that it means 
more calls like “I just ran a speed test from my phone and I am getting .2 
Mbps”.   Our reply “Well our monitoring is showing that device receiving 84 
Mbps (or some other crazy traffic amount)”.

That is probably our “new normal” ☹

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 12:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: tim sweeny is going to save the world from itself

So this fella is ceo of epic games. They built the unreal engine that runs the 
games. They also own fortnite.
Fortnite is pissing with apple and to some degree, google with the mobile 
version of fortnite. In app purchase system and all. Apple and google kicked 
them out of the store.
Android already allows you to load apps off store by lowering the security. 
With the popularity of fortnite, I'm betting apple ultimately makes a similar 
concession

Sysadmins globally have given themselves access to play fortnite. I dont play 
it, but I watch people who do, it's like a cult.

So, you have a single entity with code control of target systems globally, port 
forward into games running the engine on all platforms and now the mobile 
market.

He is a tree hugger, donated a boatload of cash to save the forest 
organizations.

I'd like to think hes been building a massive exploit into all of it, 
collecting systems data for all this time.

He owns the world's largest, most entrenched botnet.

My conspiracy theory is he is a good man who knows the internet and tech in 
general is the downfall of man and he has a kill switch exploit that will 
infect everything, take down anything connected, and anything one airgap 
disconnected.

Once apple submits he will be pwning all the world's systems. He will execute 
his master code update and it will all go down and all the neckbeard will 
emerge from their basements and server rooms into daylight. They will not 
understand the hateful nature of the world, but they're all void of any natural 
inclination to not just drop everyone they see, it will be neckbeard battle 
royale IRL. They aren't strong, but they outnumber us and they're trained to 
form clans quickly with strangers.

Most of us will be no scoped in the first 24 hours of the ensuing battle. The 
rest will quickly be captured and put to work building wooden platforms into 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes

[David Coudron]

D@m^it.   Probably better you don’t tell me, not sure I could handle the 
temptation.

Seriously, when we were kids, every extended family gathering someone would 
make deviled eggs, and you watched to see which aunt brought them each time, 
because some made way better ones than others.   Ah, the days of family buffets 
and over eating.   May never see that again……

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes

My neice man, I'm not telling you where she lives, but her deviled eggs are 
kidnapworthy

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 9:12 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Make some deviled eggs out of those and you’ll really have something.   Good 
deviled eggs are hard to find anymore.

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes

Interesting read ...not ready for the vinegar treat yet..

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 8:07 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So for 3 years now, all times of year, multiple brands, farm fresh and store 
bought, its officially settled.
Boil water to rolling boil
Using a ladle drop eggs in gently to not crack them
Boil 14 minutes, 11 for semi soft boiled
The colder the quench water the better the peel
If the quench isnt ice cold, drop back into boil for 30 seconds to steam 
separate the shell.

The science is settled once and for all, this is hard city water in an aluminum 
pot. Anywhere between a half gallon and gallon and a half, anywhere between 6 
and 36 eggs.

Perfect yellow yolk, zero green. 14 minutes after the first egg is ladled in.

The quench is key for peelability.

I havent left themninnthe quench for more than a couple minutes, too long and I 
bet the inner shell is saturated, may peel better, but will probably spoil 
faster.

I dont know my mean ASL here. I was concerned because our water plant added a 
"flavoring" system, but there was no change in results.

My lifes work is complete, I'm not certain where to go from here, but I have a 
garden full of trinidad scorpions that may be involved in my future path. That 
and getting jaime to try peppered rice vinegar.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes

[David Coudron]

Make some deviled eggs out of those and you’ll really have something.   Good 
deviled eggs are hard to find anymore.

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: illinois boiled eggs 14 minutes

Interesting read ...not ready for the vinegar treat yet..

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 8:07 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So for 3 years now, all times of year, multiple brands, farm fresh and store 
bought, its officially settled.
Boil water to rolling boil
Using a ladle drop eggs in gently to not crack them
Boil 14 minutes, 11 for semi soft boiled
The colder the quench water the better the peel
If the quench isnt ice cold, drop back into boil for 30 seconds to steam 
separate the shell.

The science is settled once and for all, this is hard city water in an aluminum 
pot. Anywhere between a half gallon and gallon and a half, anywhere between 6 
and 36 eggs.

Perfect yellow yolk, zero green. 14 minutes after the first egg is ladled in.

The quench is key for peelability.

I havent left themninnthe quench for more than a couple minutes, too long and I 
bet the inner shell is saturated, may peel better, but will probably spoil 
faster.

I dont know my mean ASL here. I was concerned because our water plant added a 
"flavoring" system, but there was no change in results.

My lifes work is complete, I'm not certain where to go from here, but I have a 
garden full of trinidad scorpions that may be involved in my future path. That 
and getting jaime to try peppered rice vinegar.
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Re: [AFMUG] grapevines

[David Coudron]

We have been to a couple of customer towers like that.   They are hard to 
remove as they wind and wrap their way around the tower all the way up.   Have 
to cut them out section by section.  Can’t even really climb the tower as it is 
tough to get a good foothold.   Be tough to pick those grapes…. 

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 9:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] grapevines

Well, this is new.  Customer signal got worse and then dropped off completely.  
Says grapevines are completely covering his TV tower and the dish which is 
about 25 feet up.  He said the vines are about 1 inch diameter.  I wish I had 
pictures.

Talking with him on the phone, it sounded like he and his wife were weighing 
which they wanted more, Internet, or free grapes.

I wonder what how many square feet of grape vines a Rohn 25G is rated for.
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Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

[David Coudron]

Netonix should work, but are more useful when you need to power a bunch of 
other stuff.   Otherwise Mikrotik would work for DC powered, managed switch.  
They would be less money.  If you already have Mikrotik stuff, it is an easy 
add, but if you don’t have Mikrotik, you might not want to bring their stuff in 
for this.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

Yeahbut, what would be a good brand.  Are the FS things OK.  I have had good 
luck with UBNT.  Really don’t want to pay for Cisco.  On second look Netonix 
may not be the best option.  I would really like 48 vdc power but most of them 
don’t have that option.  I have sinewave inverters at both ends so I can do AC 
but I just didn’t want to.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 10:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

They make them in a wide variety of capacity and port configs.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:41 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Yeah, I guess I could do media converters.  But the switches on one end are a 
bit old.  I suppose I could put a 48 port POE with SFP on one end and the media 
converter at the other.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

We always used Plantronics. They may be out of favor now but they make 
industrial switches with DIN mounts that are as small as two ports.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:05 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I need to connect two offices with fiber.  Going to put a switch on both ends 
with an SFP.
48 volts power.  Rack mount.  I need a recommendation.  I may do Netonix but I 
would like to hear opinions.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Political and I should probably not post this

[David Coudron]

I think that is accurate, and my fear is the we haven’t seen the economic 
impact of the Covid situation because everyone is still making an equivalent of 
$80K.   When the extra bump in unemployment finally runs out (we can’t keep 
paying the extra bump forever) we will see folks stop spending money and the 
real pressure of high unemployment on the economy.   Just my guess though, 
someone probably has the numbers figured out somewhere.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Political and I should probably not post this

But at the risk of starting another brush fire...  but I want to know:

People laid of in Utah get unemployment benefits.  I work hard to prevent those 
getting charged to me.  But I know that the rates paid are $496/week max.  That 
is Utah.
So $12.40/hour take home.  Equivalent to much more gross.  Probably in the 
$17/hour range gross.

Then if I understand it right, the feds were adding $600/week on top of that?  
$1096/week?  $56,992 annual rate.  Take home.  Equivalent to perhaps $80K gross?

So a laid off bartender gets the equivalent of $40/hour to sit at home, why 
would they want to work?  The press and libs in congress have been freaking out 
about the conservatives saying the fat benefit package is an incentive to not 
try to work.  I believe that to be true.  Why would anyone work if they get 
that much for drinking beer and playing video games?

Do I have this right?  Does the fed benefit add to the state benefit?

I have a son that lived on $1000/month for years while in college.  He said he 
didn’t feel the pinch too much.  Had roommates.  Had a part time job.  Never 
asked me for money.
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Re: [AFMUG] weed killer

[David Coudron]

We used to use diesel fuel on the farm as a kid.   Worked awesome, but as Adam 
mentioned, the EPA frowns on that.   It was also a great hornet/wasp killer.  
On another related note, used motor oil works great to keep the sand from 
eroding off of the hills in the yard on the farm.   Apparently we can’t do that 
either anymore…. 

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] weed killer

I think my problem this year is almost zero rainfall.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:00 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] weed killer


Gasoline.

as long as you don't tell the EPA.


On 7/30/2020 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I like to totally sterilize the ground around my comm sites.  But for some 
reason the stuff I am using did not work this year.  I am sure it is the same 
stuff I have been using but zip-nada-nothing happening this year.  I think I 
have used Pramitol 5PS.

Anyone else have something they like?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[David Coudron]

Sad to see this.   When the kids were little, we used to watch hours and hours 
of MythBusters.   We still talk about certain episodes.   Too bad.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:09 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grant-imahara-dead-mythbusters-host-was-49-1303101
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

[David Coudron]

Sometimes I wonder if low tech masks are efficient germ spreaders.   Basically 
the infected person breathes into/coughs into/sneezes into mask which holds 
droplets infected with virus.   Since the mask doesn’t filter virus sized 
particles, the mask wearer breathing out is like putting a small fan behind an 
infected surface, spewing micro droplets into the air.  If no mask, larger 
droplets fall faster rather than float in the air.Similar to what Steve is 
saying, but for non-N95 masks.  If air is getting in, air is also getting out 
through the mask pushing virus out.Seems like the fancy air diffuser the 
boss has to make the house smell good, but for virus.   No science behind this 
at all, just musing 

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

the irony of the N95 masks with ports is they have the unfiltered low impedance 
exhaust port, actually "spreads" the disease more since the air velocity is 
increased.

Just call your meeting a protest anyway, then you dont need to wear a mask 
since this doesnt spread at protests

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:26 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Chuck, are these business meetings with your own employees, or outside people?  
Can you hold the meetings outside and stay 6 feet from each other?  Although 
being outside probably increases the probability of shouting and, if you have 
allergies, sneezing.

Imagine being a nurse/doctor/dentist/etc and wearing one of the tight-fitting 
N95 masks (plus probably goggles) for a 12 hour shift, day after day.  The ones 
that leave marks on your face.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 1:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

Indian love song.  Splat.  That was one of the all time funniest scenes in a 
movie ever.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike


That and "It's a Small World". Gawd, I want to run into a hot lava pit when I 
hear that.



bp




On 6/26/2020 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’ve occasionally seen people wearing clear face shields.  Not sure if those 
are effective and/or allowed instead of masks.  Kind of like a personal sneeze 
guard.  Now I’m having a mental picture of the aliens in Mars Attacks with 
their heads exploding inside their space helmets.  Whenever I hear the Kars for 
Kids song I feel like my head is going to explode.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

You can officially count me among the haters of wearing masks.   Did it way too 
much as a kid on the farm when working in dusty environments or with insulation 
or other items you didn’t want to breathe in.   The novelty of wearing a mask 
wore off long ago……

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

With almost every thought or opinion there will be someone with the opposite 
preference or opinion.
However, one particular feeling might be universally held amongst humans.

I am finding I really hate wearing masks during business meetings.

I will do it until the virus is no longer a factor, but I do not like masks.

I do not like to wear a mask over my mouth and nose.
I am sure someone somewhere would say they do, but that would be an odd person.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

[David Coudron]

You can officially count me among the haters of wearing masks.   Did it way too 
much as a kid on the farm when working in dusty environments or with insulation 
or other items you didn't want to breathe in.   The novelty of wearing a mask 
wore off long ago..

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 11:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Unifying dislike

With almost every thought or opinion there will be someone with the opposite 
preference or opinion.
However, one particular feeling might be universally held amongst humans.

I am finding I really hate wearing masks during business meetings.

I will do it until the virus is no longer a factor, but I do not like masks.

I do not like to wear a mask over my mouth and nose.
I am sure someone somewhere would say they do, but that would be an odd person.
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink

[David Coudron]

We had done some poking around to see about the same thing about 2 months ago.  
We didn’t find much, but we’d be pretty interested in seeing of this is a 
possibility.   We are wondering if it would be more feasible/cheaper than 
building out a new tower site for 2-3 subscribers surrounded by trees and will 
be the most the tower will every have on it.   Or if you can make any money on 
it.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 8:48 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Starlink

Anyone looking into starlink to see if you can partner with them?  I heard 
there may be a way of being a reseller or to lease bandwidth through their 
system.  I'd like to find out more information.

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Re: [AFMUG] witch?

[David Coudron]

Did she ask how difficult it might be to mount a Subscriber Module to a solid 
glass surface?


From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] witch?

Only if her husband is Darren.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I have a customer named Samantha Stephens.  Should I worry she might be a witch?
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Re: [AFMUG] WISP Bingo

[David Coudron]

That’s some funny stuff.   Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 7:46 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] WISP Bingo

So for my birthday my 8 year old kid make me a board game to play at work.   He 
likes to make up games in Minecraft and paper board games.  He thought of 
making a "Wisp Bingo"  and came up with a bunch of things he overheard me 
saying over the years.  My wife helped him make it.  Some of these things on 
the cards are absolutely hilarious.  Some are not right but some are dead on 
like "Packet loss" LOL!! What a perfect birthday gift.

Some of these are inside jokes and incorrect but the effort is hilarious. I 
thought all of you would really appreciate this :)

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Re: [AFMUG] Extension of STA from FCC

[David Coudron]

Thanks Mark, much appreciated.   We were able to do as you said below.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extension of STA from FCC

Go in the FCC license manager for your STA.   It should have a button saying 
“Eligible for renewal”.   Click that link to renew the application.   You will 
need to submit a (new) letter saying why you still need the STA and a letter 
listing the specific counties you will be operating the STA in.Saying ’same 
as before’ for the counties won’t work - you have to explicitly list them (at 
least it didn’t work for me).

Once you have applied for renewal you can continue using the frequencies unless 
you hear otherwise from the FCC  (the usual IANAL applies but two different FCC 
specialist attorneys have told two different companies the same thing).

Mark


On Jun 23, 2020, at 8:00 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Hi folks,

We were granted an STA for the 5850-5895 Mhz frequencies and are nearing the 
end of the 60 day grant window.  We haven’t heard much about the extensions or 
possible permanent extension of the STA’s.   When this was rolled out, there 
was a lot of discussion that these may be extended or even made permanent.   
For those of you that applied for and received an STA, have you heard anything 
about extensions?

Regards,

David Coudron

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