Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
1. They don't always show up. 2. If they do, it's not usually before the digstart time. 3. When they do show up, they don't always mark everything. 4. If they do mark everything, it's not always where it needs to be. We built about 20 miles over the last couple of years (contractors doing the underground work). USIC was at-fault in at least a dozen hits. One of the hits still hasn't been fully repaired from October 2020. That was on a Frontier 48-count fiber that was a pretty important route for them, but USIC was off by 4' in that locate. I will personally be our locator before I depend on USIC to do any of it. USIC's coverage of when they screw up? 10% of your annual spend with them. The USIC sales guy estimated we'd be at their minimum of $5k/year, meaning they'd only cover $500/year of their screw ups. We figured it was cheaper to hire our own locator at $30k/year than USIC at $5k/year. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 9:21:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs Ive never heard complaints or had complaints on their locates. Whats your beef with them? If they have GPS CAD they mark points and dont do a physical locate, is that been a problem? On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 9:12 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: USIC... SXXX Your neighborhood methhead is more reliable than USIC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 1:47:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs I can't speak to USIC, as we do all our own locates. I wouldn't think that JULIE would care who you are, as long as you pay your dues, and give them the map. We have one of our areas where the conduit that runs along the edge of a private property between 2 buildings, and we gave them that map, and get locates for it. On 1/4/2022 1:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I havent heard back from JULIE, USIC reached back out and said JULIE might not let a private line in the locate database. What Im looking to achieve is third party notification via JULIE with third party locate by USIC. I assume thats the standard scenario. This is two duct paths that will traverse public roads. Ive never done any of this so Just wanting to make sure the client has the least impact and no surprise costs I have to submit the engineering plan to the city, the client has to get a license agreement with them, then they will get a ROW easement. That seems to be going pretty straight forward. The big issue is locates, these are both maintenance heavy roads with waste sewer, storm sewer, multiple telecom, water mains and laterals, etc and they seem to always be digging both sections up for one reason or another On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:16 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: We are a JULIE member. They are easy to work with when you call them. You give them map coordinates, basically a Google Earth outline, and then you get notified anytime something gets called in for that area. I don't' have the bill in front of me, but I think it's ~$150/year and then $1 or $2 per ticket. The bigger the area the more tickets you'll get, and what's going on in that area. The 5G installations are generating about 10-20 tickets per antenna build. Remember, everyone calls JULIE, so if you're in a residential area, you'll get lots of sprinkler/mailbox/CATV locate tickets. If it touches your area in any way, you'll get notified. If you're in an easement behind a house, and they're putting in a new mailbox by their driveway, the address touches your area, so you'll get notified. On 1/4/2022 12:35 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Is anybody here a JULIE member? Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to be in the notification database -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
USIC... SXXX Your neighborhood methhead is more reliable than USIC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 1:47:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs I can't speak to USIC, as we do all our own locates. I wouldn't think that JULIE would care who you are, as long as you pay your dues, and give them the map. We have one of our areas where the conduit that runs along the edge of a private property between 2 buildings, and we gave them that map, and get locates for it. On 1/4/2022 1:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote: I havent heard back from JULIE, USIC reached back out and said JULIE might not let a private line in the locate database. What Im looking to achieve is third party notification via JULIE with third party locate by USIC. I assume thats the standard scenario. This is two duct paths that will traverse public roads. Ive never done any of this so Just wanting to make sure the client has the least impact and no surprise costs I have to submit the engineering plan to the city, the client has to get a license agreement with them, then they will get a ROW easement. That seems to be going pretty straight forward. The big issue is locates, these are both maintenance heavy roads with waste sewer, storm sewer, multiple telecom, water mains and laterals, etc and they seem to always be digging both sections up for one reason or another On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 1:16 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: We are a JULIE member. They are easy to work with when you call them. You give them map coordinates, basically a Google Earth outline, and then you get notified anytime something gets called in for that area. I don't' have the bill in front of me, but I think it's ~$150/year and then $1 or $2 per ticket. The bigger the area the more tickets you'll get, and what's going on in that area. The 5G installations are generating about 10-20 tickets per antenna build. Remember, everyone calls JULIE, so if you're in a residential area, you'll get lots of sprinkler/mailbox/CATV locate tickets. If it touches your area in any way, you'll get notified. If you're in an easement behind a house, and they're putting in a new mailbox by their driveway, the address touches your area, so you'll get notified. On 1/4/2022 12:35 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Is anybody here a JULIE member? Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to be in the notification database -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs
I can tell you what it costs to be a JULIE member (it's a cost per activity basis). I have no idea if it's different for a private line. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 12:35:50 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Illinois - JULIE membership costs Is anybody here a JULIE member? Im looking to find the costs in general for a specific private line to be in the notification database -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these?
Other organizations are paying to track their stuff through it. Think TrackMyTruck, only cheaper, and in greater volume. RFID identification on a VERY large geographic scale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 10:09:47 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these? But what do you use them for? On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 8:56 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i did sign up for the free miner program though, in case im wrong On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:53 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: so its like a pyramid scheme where the pyramids more shaped like an hourglass and the capital gains taxes eat the profit after the electric bill? On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:39 AM Aeron Wireless < b...@aeronwireless.com > wrote: I think the commentator Bill Moore on the Facebook post got it right: " Bill Moore You need to place it in a non-saturated area. Devices have to be 900 meters away from one another. Visit explorer.helium.com to see a map of devices that may be in your area. Only select vendors are authorized to manufacture the devices. Do your research. Units are purchased using cryptocurrency USDT equivalent to $500 U.S. (shipping included). Manufacturers are about 4 months behind in fulfilling orders due to demand. The more saturated the area the more rewards are shared among those in the area, dramatically reducing rewards/profit." On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:35 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: I cant see it being valuable in non urban areas where there are large volumes of cows and small volumes of people who want to use new fangled tech On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 10:31 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: Good luck getting a miner, I've had one on order for months now. On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 8:57 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: https://www.facebook.com/114589700408999/posts/399860581881908/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these?
There's a lot of RF physics to it as well. A good antenna on a tower is going to work a hell of a lot better than any antenna in your mom's basement. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 10:03:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these? looking over the map, theres a sweet spot in profitability. looks like you need to sit 15 to 20 miles outside the urban clusters. inside the volume of them and the shared helium goes to pretty much none, too far out and the earnings are pretty much none. On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:57 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Not really much of an electric bill. It's not like traditional proof of work crypto. It's proof of coverage. The radios use like 5 or 10 watts. I was going to buy 50 of them a few months ago, then I saw there were millions of devices on backorder, so I gave up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 9:53:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these? so its like a pyramid scheme where the pyramids more shaped like an hourglass and the capital gains taxes eat the profit after the electric bill? On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:39 AM Aeron Wireless < b...@aeronwireless.com > wrote: I think the commentator Bill Moore on the Facebook post got it right: " Bill Moore You need to place it in a non-saturated area. Devices have to be 900 meters away from one another. Visit explorer.helium.com to see a map of devices that may be in your area. Only select vendors are authorized to manufacture the devices. Do your research. Units are purchased using cryptocurrency USDT equivalent to $500 U.S. (shipping included). Manufacturers are about 4 months behind in fulfilling orders due to demand. The more saturated the area the more rewards are shared among those in the area, dramatically reducing rewards/profit." On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:35 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: I cant see it being valuable in non urban areas where there are large volumes of cows and small volumes of people who want to use new fangled tech On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 10:31 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: Good luck getting a miner, I've had one on order for months now. On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 8:57 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: https://www.facebook.com/114589700408999/posts/399860581881908/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these?
It's just that big of a backlog. If you're backordered 1M units, producing 10k/week, that's still a lot of weeks to get there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Withrow" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Mike Hammett" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 10:02:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these? If miners are in short supply,not able order how is the coverahe areas getting pooulated with new miners so rapidly. I see those hexes growing fast, or is it another way they're increasing heliums coverage area? On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these?
Not really much of an electric bill. It's not like traditional proof of work crypto. It's proof of coverage. The radios use like 5 or 10 watts. I was going to buy 50 of them a few months ago, then I saw there were millions of devices on backorder, so I gave up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 9:53:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are any of you using these? so its like a pyramid scheme where the pyramids more shaped like an hourglass and the capital gains taxes eat the profit after the electric bill? On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 9:39 AM Aeron Wireless < b...@aeronwireless.com > wrote: I think the commentator Bill Moore on the Facebook post got it right: " Bill Moore You need to place it in a non-saturated area. Devices have to be 900 meters away from one another. Visit explorer.helium.com to see a map of devices that may be in your area. Only select vendors are authorized to manufacture the devices. Do your research. Units are purchased using cryptocurrency USDT equivalent to $500 U.S. (shipping included). Manufacturers are about 4 months behind in fulfilling orders due to demand. The more saturated the area the more rewards are shared among those in the area, dramatically reducing rewards/profit." On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:35 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: I cant see it being valuable in non urban areas where there are large volumes of cows and small volumes of people who want to use new fangled tech On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 10:31 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: Good luck getting a miner, I've had one on order for months now. On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 8:57 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: https://www.facebook.com/114589700408999/posts/399860581881908/ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers
It is, really, it is. Millions upon millions of end users are connected successfully with it. Some vendors are just shitty and need to be avoided. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "Adam Moffett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:15:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers Because it's not straight forward to deploy. On 12/15/21 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I don't think we're talking about flaws in the protocol. I think we're > talking about it being a secondary concern for manufacturers so they're > not putting enough attention into it. > > > On 12/15/2021 11:06 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> Correct. We still don't know how to properly hand out IPv6 to end >> users, and routers have issues doing it. >> >> The protocol stack is a flawed implementation. >> >> On 12/13/21 4:51 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: >>> I was doing some testing on our dual stack FTTX network. >>> >>> I grabbed a CnPilot R201P off the shelf. IPv6 was disabled by >>> default. You had to enable it in 3 different places and even after >>> following the guides on Cambium’s site the prefix delegation seems to >>> not really work. >>> >>> I grabbed an AirCube…..no IPv6 support at all. It’s supported in the >>> underlying OS, but not in the GUI. Ubiquiti support says it’s >>> coming, but they’ve been saying that for 2 years +. >>> >>> I grabbed a Mikrotik…..works perfectly fine, but setup is beyond what >>> any consumer is going to do. If I’m quibbling, it doesn’t support >>> stateful dhcp assignments from a delegated prefix. That’s not too big >>> of a deal. >>> >>> Out of 3 routers I have close at hand, 1 is a faulty implementation, >>> 1 is not implemented at all, and one is too hard for normal people. >>> >>> So when people run out to the store and get a Netgear, Asus, or >>> whatever router off the shelf is it hit-or-miss with those too? I >>> guess I naively assumed that 25 years after IPv6 was created that >>> we’d have working implementations by now. >>> >>> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] AWS issues?
It appears to extend beyond AWS as things that don't have AWS in the mix are affected as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cameron Crum" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:41:45 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AWS issues? Anyone else seeing real slowness from AWS DBs this morning? I couldn't even load the dashboard a while ago, but now it comes up. Their status says everything is fine but even simple queries from multiple sources are taking minutes to execute. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers
"Customer owning the router fixes those issues." As long as the customer is involved in anything at all (kind of hard to avoid), expect problems. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Colin Stanners" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:49:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers Because they / their IT person are smart at avoiding problems. Most ISP-provided routers aren't setup (or the customer is not knowledgeable enough) by someone to be following the same wireless settings (or, for more advanced cases, port forwarding rules) as the previous router, so customers find random printers / doorbells / lightbults / devices not working after an ISP-arranged router upgrade or their changing of ISPs. Customer owning the router fixes those issues. On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 3:58 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: People still buy their own routers? Why? Just do it for the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 3:51:07 PM Subject: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers I was doing some testing on our dual stack FTTX network. I grabbed a CnPilot R201P off the shelf. IPv6 was disabled by default. You had to enable it in 3 different places and even after following the guides on Cambium’s site the prefix delegation seems to not really work. I grabbed an AirCube…..no IPv6 support at all. It’s supported in the underlying OS, but not in the GUI. Ubiquiti support says it’s coming, but they’ve been saying that for 2 years +. I grabbed a Mikrotik…..works perfectly fine, but setup is beyond what any consumer is going to do. If I’m quibbling, it doesn’t support stateful dhcp assignments from a delegated prefix. That’s not too big of a deal. Out of 3 routers I have close at hand, 1 is a faulty implementation, 1 is not implemented at all, and one is too hard for normal people. So when people run out to the store and get a Netgear, Asus, or whatever router off the shelf is it hit-or-miss with those too? I guess I naively assumed that 25 years after IPv6 was created that we’d have working implementations by now. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers
People still buy their own routers? Why? Just do it for the customer. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 3:51:07 PM Subject: [AFMUG] IPv6 in home routers I was doing some testing on our dual stack FTTX network. I grabbed a CnPilot R201P off the shelf. IPv6 was disabled by default. You had to enable it in 3 different places and even after following the guides on Cambium’s site the prefix delegation seems to not really work. I grabbed an AirCube…..no IPv6 support at all. It’s supported in the underlying OS, but not in the GUI. Ubiquiti support says it’s coming, but they’ve been saying that for 2 years +. I grabbed a Mikrotik…..works perfectly fine, but setup is beyond what any consumer is going to do. If I’m quibbling, it doesn’t support stateful dhcp assignments from a delegated prefix. That’s not too big of a deal. Out of 3 routers I have close at hand, 1 is a faulty implementation, 1 is not implemented at all, and one is too hard for normal people. So when people run out to the store and get a Netgear, Asus, or whatever router off the shelf is it hit-or-miss with those too? I guess I naively assumed that 25 years after IPv6 was created that we’d have working implementations by now. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters
There can't be THAT many old planes in the air that have this automated landing system. Buy new receivers or install some filters. 5 MHz away? Okay. 10 MHz? Maybe. 200? Bugger off. They're not making new spectrum, so everyone (even incumbents) needs to move with the times. Just like the 30 MHz T1 microwave links out there. Put something else in the air more efficient. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 1:06:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters Lots of old planes in the world. Lots of old front end filters too. And the system chirps the band to get a more sure return so it needs the bandwidth. It was designed to be robust, not to be spectrum efficient. Probably came out of WW2. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: If radio altimeters have 200 MHz (which seems excessive), it seems equally excessive to be complaining about noise from 200 MHz away. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:50:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters Deja Vu all over again. Very similar to the OBE / adjacent channel concerns voiced in the 6 GHz unlicensed proceeding. The FCC’s total lack of understanding of receiver filtering in even current devices is astounding and its fairly clear that money / politics beats physics everyday. On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I understand the issue now: https://youtu.be/942KXXmMJdY -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters
If radio altimeters have 200 MHz (which seems excessive), it seems equally excessive to be complaining about noise from 200 MHz away. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim Hardy" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 9:50:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C band 5G vs Radar Altimeters Deja Vu all over again. Very similar to the OBE / adjacent channel concerns voiced in the 6 GHz unlicensed proceeding. The FCC’s total lack of understanding of receiver filtering in even current devices is astounding and its fairly clear that money / politics beats physics everyday. On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I understand the issue now: https://youtu.be/942KXXmMJdY -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets
https://www.google.com/search?q=humidifier=1C1ASUM_enUS959US959=AOaemvLQVlDFYYl-UCm_OYthk6GwsKOE7Q:1639144786346=lnms=isch=X=2ahUKEwjE6eWVstn0AhX4jYkEHQXpBXsQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA=1718=942=1 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: Af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 5:12:57 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: Grounded blankets So we're back to the time of year when the wife gets zapped when she gets off the couch and the turns off a light, and complaining ensues. I've tried to get her to wear a grounded wrist strap, which works, but she complains about having to take it on and off. Can I just get a grounded blanket or something to just ground the couch? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MSP Survey - Need your input
I really don't want to keep using UniFi. cnMaestro can't hold a candle to UniFi in ease of use. There's no firewall,\router\etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Mangriotis via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Matt Mangriotis" Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 8:45:38 AM Subject: [AFMUG] MSP Survey - Need your input At risk of being “on topic”, Cambium would really appreciate your input in this survey… if you can take a few minutes to do this, it would be appreciated! https://www.techvalidate.com/registration/MSP-Survey-4Q-2021 Thanks, Matt -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MSP Survey - Need your input
On topic?!?! Boo!!! Boo this man!!! ;-) Filled it out yesterday. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Mangriotis via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Matt Mangriotis" Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 8:45:38 AM Subject: [AFMUG] MSP Survey - Need your input At risk of being “on topic”, Cambium would really appreciate your input in this survey… if you can take a few minutes to do this, it would be appreciated! https://www.techvalidate.com/registration/MSP-Survey-4Q-2021 Thanks, Matt -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin
Something a lot of people are leaving out is that movie set gun safety is likely quite different than real life gun safety. Likely, the same rules don't apply in both scenarios. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:55:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin Amazing how less dead that lady would be if this guy wasnt handling a magic gun pointing it at people on a scene that had no call to point at people in an industry where you dont point firearms at people with a firearm you dont point at anything youre not prepared to destroy... but sure, he didnt pull the trigger. Totally trust a mope who beats people up over parking spots On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 7:05 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I have a few heirloom antique 22 cal rifles. Nothing against guns but I don’t own a handgun. I have historically had a very short fuse and quick to fight. I have mellowed with age but I still don’t want to give myself that option. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2021, at 5:24 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: My dad was USMC sniper...he loved to hunt and taught my brothers and me how to shoot rifles and hand guns...my youngest brother had the best aim...he took us hunting...thus is back in mid 1960s to 1972...folks divorced .. None of us own gunswe prefer fishing and crossbows... Only one who ever carried a gun was my sister when she worked for a three letter guvment(in my best Steve Jones voice) agency and my son in combat and afterwards as Air Force MP... Neither own guns now... Stay safe On Wed, Dec 1, 2021, 4:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: He is saying he did not pull the trigger. My first instinct was “yeah right”. But I had to remind myself that I had a rifle go off all on its own once when I was about 13. It was pointed at the ground. Stock was under my right arm. I was walking. My hand was no where near the trigger. I actually did not realize it went off. I realized someone very nearby fired a gun, but I did not feel it kick. It was either a lever action 30-30 or a 32 special, I used both on a regular basis. Everyone else in the hunting party all turned looked at me and asked me what I was shooting at. I initially denied I shot at anything but I felt the barrel and it was warm. There was also a crater in the dirt right in front of my toe. Maybe a button on a sleeve or a rivet on my pants caught the trigger or the hammer. When hunting I would frequently pull the hammer back half way. I think that was considered having the safety on with those old guns. You could not pull the trigger and fire from that position. If the trigger was all the way forward, it would fire if the hammer got struck by something. To fire you had to pull the hammer all the way back. Or if you used the lever to put one in the chamber it would also fully cock the gun. It has always been a mystery to me. Just glad I didn’t kill anyone that day. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
*nods* Not as secure. Ya know, I can TLS end to end, but I can also stick a 30 year old tape recorder on the phone line NID at the business and record your fax. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:57:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I just ran into this yesterday. I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end point of the conveyance of the information? IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. Them doctors loves their faxes. First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I talked them into swinging everything to me. I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of trying. The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or pictures of an original document. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file. On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com > *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
For some, it's because they're old. For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jay Weekley" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines Why do people fax anything in 2021? Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed > and just not freaking deal with it anymore. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > *From: *"Nate Burke" > *To: *"Animal Farm" > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines > > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real > fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to > test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not > successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. > > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. > > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed and just not freaking deal with it anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Fax Machines I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
That's just an extension of your personal phone number. It's not (supposed to be) used for marketing campaigns. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Robert Andrews" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 3:34:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees I wonder if we will lose messages.android.com On 11/15/21 12:41 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > How do you send an SMS from a computer to a phone? Doesn't there have > to be an intermediary system in there somewhere, Be it Email or an API? > Maybe DOD number would be the more correct term, the number that is > sourced on the SMS message when it enters the mobile carrier network. > > On 11/15/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> I really don’t get why DIDs are called out. You can send SMS from any >> computer to any phone. Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this >> context? >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees >> Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of >> keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this. >> Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like >> they are finally going to start forcing it. >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM Nate Burke wrote: >> >> I think so? This is from the TOS you have to accept before any >> payment is made at campaignregistry.com >> <http://campaignregistry.com>. I think you can register 49 DID's >> per Campaign. >> >> But I'm guessing that each business would have to be a separate >> campaign. >> >> >> >> On 11/15/2021 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> So just DIDs and not just regular lines? >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday, >>> November 15, 2021 1:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP >>> SMS campaign fees >>> I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that >>> send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be >>> registered with 'Campaignregistry.com' Looks like this requires >>> a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already >>> gone through this? Talking to VI, it seems they're not even >>> sure, but it's a VI requirement by Dec 15. >>> >>> The whole process seems confusing. Luckily I only have 1 >>> customer that Uses the SMS services, and I have it setup on our >>> office number so customers can text in requests, and pictures >>> (which we have never publicized, but happens frequently) >>> >>> VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive. >>> $10,000/violation keeps being referenced. >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Security System
yeah, Hikvision, Dahua, Huawei, and ZTE need to be avoided. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "D. Bernardi" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 7:22:18 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security System https://www.securityinfowatch.com/video-surveillance/article/21243600/congress-passes-bill-banning-new-fcc-equipment-authorizations-for-hikvision-dahua-and-others October 22, 2021 – The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a bill that would effectively ban the importation and sale of all new products from Chinese surveillance giants Dahua and Hikvision. At 08:36 PM 11/9/2021, you wrote: We replaced all the Air vision gear with Hikvisionhave never looked back...it works. On Tue, Nov 9, 2021, 5:32 PM < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: I was burned by AirVision. It had some wizbang features, but essentially it was not fit for purpose. It was like they were so focused on their new/cool/glossy features they forgot that it had to also have the basic functionality of any other NVR.  We still have UniFi Video at the office and still getting burned by Ubiquiti’s practice of abandoning hardware. Our current generation of cameras doesn’t work with the current version of the DVR, and the older DVR version isn’t updated anymore. Neither our older DVR or the current ones support the older generation of cameras.  I guess it’s ok if you either never want to add a camera or if you’re willing to replace the entire system every few years.   From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2021 5:05 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security System  lol, I will never use Ubiquiti.  On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 12:54 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: Have you looked at ubiquiti? On 11/9/21 12:12, Ryan Ray wrote: Anyone have any recommendations for a new Camera, Access Control + Security for approx 40 sites? Including smaller CO buildings.  Subscribed to ipvm.com  trying to get some insights into the industry, and it seems extremely locked down unless we can find a company who is partnered with DSC, alarm.com , whoever, but then they want to do all the installations as well, until they hear they'll have to travel 2000+km to remote sites, then they don't want to work with us anymore and things get stalled out.  We can do the installations ourselves, just need a good solution. Preferably on prem, integrated with AD.  -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
Nevermind. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2021 8:34:57 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit Link? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:56:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit Conduit. Like 1/2” corrugated microduct. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit You talking about conduit or culvert? We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized) culvert(s) with the plastic stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall on the inside. Way better stuff because it doesn't trap stuff. bp On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas where the ditch is already open? I have never used it. I worry it is not terribly strong and you probably can’t blow it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
Link? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:56:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit Conduit. Like 1/2” corrugated microduct. From: Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit You talking about conduit or culvert? We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized) culvert(s) with the plastic stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall on the inside. Way better stuff because it doesn't trap stuff. bp On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas where the ditch is already open? I have never used it. I worry it is not terribly strong and you probably can’t blow it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Rooftop Pictures
Can I see some pictures of "tower" installations you've done on buildings where they cared about aesthetics? Trying to sway a local property owner and he's concerned about how things look like on his new buildings. ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served
*nods* I don't really see meaningful difference between a $7 breakfast and a $20 breakfast. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 9:57:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served I think I’m spoiled by an abundance of cheap diners. I’d expect $6 for a plate of eggs, toast, and home fries with coffee. An extra couple bucks for sausage or bacon. An omelet with toast and home fries is $7-8. For $15 I hope you’re getting an awesome breakfast. From: AF On Behalf Of Steven Kenney Sent: Monday, November 01, 2021 10:45 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served For a sit down in a restaurant, just your usual 3 eggs bacon toast etc will be $15 per person easily. In fact once you get taxed and tip it'll be $20 per. On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:42 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: Is that $8 Canadian (I presume)? That's like $6.50 at today's exchange rate. I go out for breakfast with friends a couple times a month, and my breakfast usually runs between $20 and $24 depending on the place. In Canadian dollars that is between $25 and $30. bp On 11/1/2021 5:35 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: In Canada Tim Hortons actually has a steak and egg sandwich now. Gave it a shot as most of their breakfast sandwiches are horrible. This one is absolutely fantastic, only costs $5 ! Canada now you want breakfast expect to pay a minimum of $8 for a coffee and breakfast sandwich! On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 12:11 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: Toro Bronco breakfasta bit much..but it was awesome -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Image removed by sender. logo Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your system. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Image removed by sender. logo Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender. STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your system. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA
The routing engines are new from the ground up, so those areas are the most likely (not saying they are or aren't) to be buggy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:36:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA How is V7 anyway? I hear it is still buggy, but I mean does it crash a lot? What if you are pretty much just using it for straight BGP/OSPF routing and nothing more? On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: I'm walking on banana-peels, hell they won't even let me climb a ladder On 10/30/21 06:43, James Howard wrote: It’s obvious you guys are all zombies. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA I am not dead yet. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Not dead yet. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: so who is going to takeover this mail-list? On 10/29/21 15:30, Nate Burke wrote: There's still a lot of yellow on this page https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF from 6.49 to 7.1rc5 and the OSPF sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing their config conversion code isn't working quite right yet. On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: The new RB5009 is also v7 only. Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that it's usable? On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: That's one hell of a PSA! Thanks. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I forgot there was more than one CCR2004 model. I was specifically talking about the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the Routerboard Product page for it says V7 only. On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote: None of mine shipped with ROS7. I have probably 8-10 of them, all on ROS6. Guess it must be the newer batch. I wonder if ROS7 fixed the issues with them. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: Just got my shipment in, I missed that they come with ROS7.0.4 and you can't downgrade them to V6, so if You're not ready to make the leap to V7, this isn't the RB for you. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login To: ja...@litewire.net From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- logo STEVEN KENNEY DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your system. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] The phoenix rises again.
The ballpark of $5/channel is what retransmission fees are, whether you're Comcast, DirecTV, Hulu Live, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 2:53:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The phoenix rises again. There is no charge on our local group. This includes 41 channels, at least here. Their web site talks about a premium (paid) version, but doesn't say anything about $5 (or anything for that matter), except to say it's not available yet. bp On 10/30/2021 12:07 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: I might pay $5 per month if it meant real news instead of propaganda, otherwise middle-finger. On 10/30/21 07:47, Bill Prince wrote: I wouldn't exactly say that. BayAreaBTV (covers the area around the Bay Area), has several PBS channels, plus the "plus" channels from a few of the other local network-affiliated channels. Sadly none of the actual network channels (yet). We shall see how it goes. I know many of those stations are paying lots of money to be on the Sutro Tower, and none of them is actually swimming in cash. If there is enough revenue in it for them to make some dough, I bet some of them might turn it on. bp On 10/30/2021 7:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* It likely doesn't have any content anyone actually wants. I looked at the Chicago market. The only way I heard of some of them is because I did work for them. The rest is a bunch of nobodies. Also, the article totally misses the mark as to why this isn't already streamed. It claims it's from bundling. It's really from the fact that they charge $5/month/channel to get that content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: "AFMUG" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:59:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The phoenix rises again. This time, it might actually work. They have a model that provides local stations with an additional source of revenue, and they don't have to charge users anything. Networks don't like it though. https://www.localbtv.com/ https://www.fastcompany.com/90687250/locast-alternative-localbtv-local-channel-streaming-no-antenna bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] The phoenix rises again.
*nods* It likely doesn't have any content anyone actually wants. I looked at the Chicago market. The only way I heard of some of them is because I did work for them. The rest is a bunch of nobodies. Also, the article totally misses the mark as to why this isn't already streamed. It claims it's from bundling. It's really from the fact that they charge $5/month/channel to get that content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: "AFMUG" Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:59:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The phoenix rises again. This time, it might actually work. They have a model that provides local stations with an additional source of revenue, and they don't have to charge users anything. Networks don't like it though. https://www.localbtv.com/ https://www.fastcompany.com/90687250/locast-alternative-localbtv-local-channel-streaming-no-antenna bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tibit XGSPon OLT on a stick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FRoSExOqN0 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sterling Jacobson" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 1:02:58 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Tibit XGSPon OLT on a stick Anyone tried this yet? I’ve got one and several ONT’s in the lab, but then realized I have no instructions or software. I’ve asked Baltic to get me information (they are the vendor that sold them to me), and Tibit through their website. But nothing yet. If one of you has this system can you please get me some instructions and/or management software? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Mandarin oranges are good. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:04:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Is your name really Mike? Do you know Mandarin? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Carl Peterson" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Mike, Google is giving me a warning about your account. The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email). On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you went with? On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created. There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud. There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 D. Bernardi October 15, 2021 at 11:49 At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" Content-Language: en-US Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would expect. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Carl Peterson" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:43:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Mike, Google is giving me a warning about your account. The sender’s account may have been compromised. Avoid clicking links, downloading attachments, or replying with personal information. If you know the sender, consider alerting them (but avoid replying to this email). On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you went with? On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Daniel White" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created. There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud. There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 D. Bernardi October 15, 2021 at 11:49 At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" Content-Language: en-US Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Daniel White October 15, 2021 at 10:19 Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP serv
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
I have Calix in the CO as well as others, with paid support for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:41:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Calix hardware is reasonably priced. (I built much of my C.O. from Ebay parts.) I buy new 803G ONTs from Calix. I pay support and everything just works. The back end is exhaustively complete with features. I have been involved in many different patchwork systems in the past. Never again. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 4:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you went with? On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Daniel White" mailto:dwh...@atheral.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created. There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud. There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 D. Bernardi October 15, 2021 at 11:49 At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" Content-Language: en-US Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Daniel White October 15, 2021 at 10:19 Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Carl Peterson Octobe
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
It's not just the access layer, but the whole ecosystem. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 11:19:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP Is there any such thing as a GPON system that isn't vendor locked? I'm not specifically defending Calix here, I'm just thinking I haven't yet seen GPON equipment that made any assertions about interop with other vendors. Unless you went ActiveE aren't you still locked in with whatever vendor you went with? On 10/16/2021 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: "no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Daniel White" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created. There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud. There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 D. Bernardi October 15, 2021 at 11:49 At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" Content-Language: en-US Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Daniel White October 15, 2021 at 10:19 Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 2
Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist
He works for Akamai. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:08:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist Who’s Jared? From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist Forwarded to Jared. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:17:53 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist Anyone ever had any experience with an IP block being blacklisted by Akamai? Any idea how to get a hold of them? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist
You'll also want to make sure your IP is actually clean. Check Shadowserver, blacklists, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:17:53 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist Anyone ever had any experience with an IP block being blacklisted by Akamai? Any idea how to get a hold of them? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist
Forwarded to Jared. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 7:17:53 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Akamai blacklist Anyone ever had any experience with an IP block being blacklisted by Akamai? Any idea how to get a hold of them? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
"no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix" and welcome to Calix. That's one of the reasons I opted to not go with Calix for our fiber system. Just as vendor-locked as Apple and Ubiquiti. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Daniel White" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:52:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP So with most VoIP devices... you can point them to an auto-provision server. When they boot up, they send a request (FTP, HTTP, HTTPS) for the config file based on MAC address, the provisioning server creates the file or serves up a file already created. There is no way to direct an ONT to a provisioning server on boot-up that isn't Calix. That is where the ONT expects to find the SIP credentials. There is no way to have the Calix Cloud pull credentials based on MAC address from a SIP provisioning server. So the only option you have is to manually add the credentials by first creating them on the VoIP platform and then entering them into the Calix Cloud. There could be a way to do this via API... and really there isn't any reason I can think of why there is not. But Calix has a hell of a play to pay mentality and partnering with them in any way as a vendor is a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 D. Bernardi October 15, 2021 at 11:49 At 01:19 PM 10/15/2021, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="D1116C3466A99CAA51BD3FBE" Content-Language: en-US Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Is TR-069 not an option to provision outside of OMCI? Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it.  -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP.  E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Daniel White October 15, 2021 at 10:19 Carl, We have many ISPs reselling our VoIP service using Calix ONTs (Gigacenter and Gigaspire). There is no auto-provision option which is a shame. Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 09:21 our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 Chuck McCown via AF October 13, 2021 at 07:59 If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone Carl Peterson October 13, 2021 at 06:27 I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
Ugh, I read that wrong too early in the morning (yes, it's almost noon). I meant for inbound telco-wise. Yeah, if there's no service to the property, then they're SOL. The rest of it you should be able to engineer around. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 11:13:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP The only way to ensure uptime in the telco world is a multi-homed toll free number. I forget the actual term for it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:43:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when their service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive solutions offer failover options. We had a few of our contract services customers move to cableco based VOIP bundled with their data package against advice. When their service goes down they want to know why their phones stop working with no failover to cell or backup internet. "I told you so" is a hard concept for them to grasp when theyve gone off grid On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:22 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
The only way to ensure uptime in the telco world is a multi-homed toll free number. I forget the actual term for it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:43:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP One thing I hate about provider VOIP in a lot of cases is that when their service goes down, their phone options are down. Got/Jive solutions offer failover options. We had a few of our contract services customers move to cableco based VOIP bundled with their data package against advice. When their service goes down they want to know why their phones stop working with no failover to cell or backup internet. "I told you so" is a hard concept for them to grasp when theyve gone off grid On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:22 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: our Gigacenters and P series ONTs all have POTs jacks. Any chance you could point me in the right direction as to how to start configuring VOIP service? I have no idea how to even begin thinking about it. On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: If you use onts that have pots jacks, yes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: I've got a few business customers who would like to add phone service. In the past we have just set them up with a service like Goto/Jive. Is it possible to configure something like this and then just use the POTS port on the ONTs? GPON4 card says it supports VOIP. E7-2_GPON-4r2 Voice–NativeSIP/VoIPandTDMGatewaysupport -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
They're back... ish. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13:01 PM Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook? I need my safe space (no, not myspace) back. babaahahah. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
https://stat.ripe.net/special/bgplay#bgplay_fetch.resource=185.89.219.12_fetch.ignoreReannouncements=false_fetch.starttime=1633360834_fetch.endtime=1633363174_fetch.rrcs=0,1,2,5,6,7,10,11,13,14,15,16,18,20_fetch.instant=null_fetch.type=bgp - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13:01 PM Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook? I need my safe space (no, not myspace) back. babaahahah. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
It seems to be a BGP issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:24:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage Machinery Trader got taken down by ransomware too. Most likely a coincidence. Wouldn’t that be rich if FB got taken down by ransomware... With as many datacenters they have, this must be a CDN/router level attack, wouldn’t you think? From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 12:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage at least my have my old reliable AFMUG - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook? I need my safe space (no, not myspace) back. babaahahah. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-whistleblower-frances-haugen-misinformation-public-60-minutes-2021-10-03/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:23:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage i heard about that but didn't hear who it was. who was the whistleblower? - Original Message - From: Bill Prince To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage I'm sniffing crocodile tears. This affects me less than zero, and after the whistleblower tunes sung on 60 Minutes last night, and care even less. bp On 10/4/2021 11:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook? I need my safe space (no, not myspace) back. babaahahah. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Supply Chain Issues
88 containers the last I saw. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Daniel Pautz via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Daniel Pautz" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 5:32:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Supply Chain Issues Welcome to the new norm, right? Its hard to imagine it back to 2019. Can’t get people to show for interviews / work at more than double the pay of 2019, something like 40 container ships sitting in SoCal oceans, saw NYC / east coast is getting backed up, etc. Holiday stuff is going to be a blast / expensive. Dan From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 4:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Supply Chain Issues I'm getting really tired of dealing with supply chain issues. Like burnt out, don't want to do this anymore, I've had enough tired. Just the things I'm dealing with today: The last few days, all of my spare time has been related to reviewing options to replace a part which has become unobtainum. Like as in, manufacturer has moved from a long lead time to 'don't bother asking'. This seems to happen on a recurring basis now (with different parts) - versus pre-covid it was maybe once every year or two (since I'm careful to select parts to avoid this issue). I've had one part I've had to switch vendors on like 6 times now. And it's not just parts, my enclosure manufacturer for the rackinjectors sent us this gem today: "We had the enclosures ready for pickup since last week, but our road is under maintenance and the whole street got ripped off. My forklift is not able to get off from our driveway to the road because the step is very steep. I heard the city will start paving tomorrow. Hopefully we can load the pallet by Wednesday." Can we please go back to the way it was in 2019 sometime soon? -- - Forrest -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] EPCOM
I forget their terminology, but EPCOM has some inventory I'm looking for in foreign warehouses. Would they ship back to the US or am I SOL? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Pasadena Networks\WLAN Parts
Have any of you bought from Pasadena Networks\WLANParts lately? I went to buy something and the site seemed kinda sketchy. I checked LinkedIn and Frank Keeney seems to have not been involved since 2015. Sorry, it seems that there are no available payment methods for your state. Please contact us if you require assistance or wish to make alternate arrangements. Really, I can't buy from California in Illinois? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ticketing Rage
On support tickets in the past, I have directly told the support staff to read what I've already wrote and that I would wait for them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:06:29 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Ticketing Rage Working with a vendor, they take 24 hours to reply to each ticket update, but it seems they don't even bother to read anything I've submitted previous with troubleshooting steps already taken, or the configuration and environment that is in use. I've had a ticket open for 3 days now, and their latest reply was that the issue is a NAT setting and that will fix the problem. THERE IS NO NAT, Every update I've given you says there is no NAT. I've even given you the WAN Address information and the specific steps to replicate the issue. Why can't they read the previous tickets before making a reply. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Off the clock studies
We offered to cover a tech's associates degree that would include CCNA. He didn't want it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 2:03:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off the clock studies we did the A+, provided the video courses and the test voucher, and it got another buck an hour, not a single person took it. thats why i ask about requiring. But I dont want the boss to pay some mope to read at a snails pace. a video training center in the shitter would probably get some good hits though. I dont mind the idea of training people, but If I want you to get a basic concept of how IPs work, a little beyond what you pick up slinging radios, Id like them to be required, but its not worth sending them to CCNA On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 1:19 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: I have a whole list of things they can master for 25 or 50 cents an hour increase. We call them pay adders. Funny, most of the guys never take advantage of them though. We experimented on having applicants view training videos prior to the interview. That went better before covid. But if you care about employees, you will spend money to train them. That is the best policy. If they leave you for a better job, well good for them, and you did some good in the world today. From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Off the clock studies So, can an employee be required to gain education or knowledge off the clock? We are looking at a new hire, but there are certain things I want to require of them, knowledge wise, some of which requires reading or watching a video. Can you require an employee obtain a knowlege set without compensation directly? It's no different than required knowlege ahead of time to me. No issue with it being pay increase based. ie learn X, another dollar an hour. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Off the clock studies
What's the list? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:17:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Off the clock studies I have a whole list of things they can master for 25 or 50 cents an hour increase. We call them pay adders. Funny, most of the guys never take advantage of them though. We experimented on having applicants view training videos prior to the interview. That went better before covid. But if you care about employees, you will spend money to train them. That is the best policy. If they leave you for a better job, well good for them, and you did some good in the world today. From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Off the clock studies So, can an employee be required to gain education or knowledge off the clock? We are looking at a new hire, but there are certain things I want to require of them, knowledge wise, some of which requires reading or watching a video. Can you require an employee obtain a knowlege set without compensation directly? It's no different than required knowlege ahead of time to me. No issue with it being pay increase based. ie learn X, another dollar an hour. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Moving Virtual Machines
RAID sucks at error prevention and recovery. All modern filesystems *REQUIRE* that RAID not be used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 4:10:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Moving Virtual Machines It's a HP DL380G7 with 6 140GB disks in a Raid10. Wouldn't the Raid controller recognize the error and fail the drive? Although I don't think I've ever had a hard drive fail 'gracefully' For me they usually go from working fine to preventing the machine from POSTing with no middle ground. One one of my home machines, i just had a data drive that's been installed for years crash the machine, and keeps windows from booting, but when i plug it into a USB/SATA adapter, it works fine on the same machine. On 9/5/2021 3:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'd be tempted to think a bad sector on the host disk. Maybe fsck or whatever is equivalent for that file system. On 9/5/2021 3:29 PM, Nate Burke wrote: I just tried to copy the VMDK file to another folder on the same datastore, and it stopped copying at about 25GB out of the 33GB file. The same time that it stops on my other copy methods. Does this mean the VMDK file is corrupt? The Virtual server itself seems to be running fine. On 9/3/2021 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: NFS is the only way I've found to be worthwhile for speed purposes. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 8:35 AM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: locally copy to USB hard drive? On 9/2/2021 9:17 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > I have a couple stand alone ESXi servers (6.5.0). I'm trying to move > a 30GB server image from one server to another. Trying to download > the VM machine image file onto my desktop with VCenter, it gets about > 80% done and times out. Same with trying Veeam backup tools. It > throws an error after about 80%. I'm running an SCP transfer now, but > it's only running at about 300Kb/s (Searching online, I guess SCP and > ESXi is artificially slow for some reason) so I won't know if it > completes for another day. > > Is there anything that I'm missing to get the VMImage off the physical > hardware? I've moved lots of VMImages before just like this, and > never had a problem. The Virtual server is shut down while I'm trying > to move the image files. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg..
Touching them also severely restricts the kind of work you can do. If you sell them, service them, or have any on your network, you're excluded from anything with federal funds. That's a tight rope to walk in government and utility work. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 9:53:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg.. Yep...they work well and are cost effective, comrade. On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 8:28 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: People are still intentionally using Hikvision or Huawei in the US? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 7:44:12 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg.. Has anyone integrated the Ubiquti cameras with the Hikvision NVRs? I might need to that next week... Gracias... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg..
Sorry, I meant Hikvision or Dahua. I guess Huawei and ZTE fit into those categories as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 7:44:12 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg.. Has anyone integrated the Ubiquti cameras with the Hikvision NVRs? I might need to that next week... Gracias... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg..
People are still intentionally using Hikvision or Huawei in the US? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 7:44:12 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg.. Has anyone integrated the Ubiquti cameras with the Hikvision NVRs? I might need to that next week... Gracias... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Installer Drill Bits
Drill the siding with a metal bit, then drill through everything else with the long bit you're having a hard time with? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 5:02:41 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Installer Drill Bits We've been getting the installer drill bits at the local big box store. The 1/4"x18" bit with the hole in the flute to hook the wire on and pull back. They are cheap, and have the lifespan to show. Drill a couple aluminum siding houses and it's time for a new one. I'm looking to get them higher quality ones. They seem hard to locate at other distributors. Am I calling them the wrong thing? I was searching for either 'bell hanger bit' or 'installer bit' I found some on Amazon, but they are probably about the same quality as the bigbox ones. I found one at Grainer that is backordered several weeks, and I haven't found one at McMaster yet. Am I calling them the wrong thing? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Anyone With Sonar v2 Happy?
We are looking for any Sonar v2 customers that are happy. If so, are you a veteran ISP, or are you new to the table? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling
Have you watched The Accountant? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:22:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Handling When you have a conversation with her, does she struggle to look you in the eye? Reason I ask is that she "might" be on the spectrum. Some of the people on the spectrun can be amazingly detail oriented, and can perform jobs that would bore a "normal" person out of their gourd. They can be ideally suited to detail-oriented work, but they can also have limited social skills, and they can get really upset when presented with a change in plans. bp On 7/28/2021 10:32 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > I've got a situation and looking for advice on how to best handle it. > > I have an employee who is very detail oriented and does a great job of > organizing things and keeping scheduling running smoothly for the most > part. > > However, at times she has expressed that she feels overwhelmed if > there are too many leads coming in and trying to keep them straight - > so as a result at times we have deployed slower than I would like. > > We really should hire an additional customer service person, but two > people we've had have left because of her attitude towards them (she > can be blunt, and at times has mood swings). > > She basically runs our billing and customer service departments, and > I've given her authority to do that, but when I make suggestions on > things we should or shouldn't be doing she gets very upset about it. > > Right now we're working on some expansion projects and she has > expressed various concerns/reasons we shouldn't do things that I think > we should do. > > I hesitate to throw out the baby with the bath water, but the behavior > needs to change and thus far I've been unsuccessful at changing this > behavior. > > I plan to have a frank conversation with her in the next few days, but > I'm curious to hear thoughts from others on something like this. How > do I best allow autonomy of the department she's managing while also > keeping in mind I sign the paychecks. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/93702214_2658209834424193_5623932028236857344_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=csdIcEhnZ0QAX-GQ-Mi&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx=076fda52e88b06c22a2d5cac22140d2d=61274AF8 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 12:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues mightier than a pen? On 7/28/21 11:27 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Simon once killed a man with his thumb. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 9:30 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: Woah woah woah lawsuit. killing? what's going on here? On 7/27/21 8:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > Sonar was a diamond, but it seems since the lawsuit it's become a turd, > I hope it squares up. I like simon, he killed the other guy at powercode > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 11:03 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > > wrote: > > Ah, you likely have to be in the WISP Talk group to see it. > > In short, someone with similar symptoms was complaining and lots of, > Sonar disappointment conversation. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions < http://www.ics-il.com/ > > < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL > > Midwest Internet Exchange < http://www.midwest-ix.com/ > > < https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix >< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange >< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix > > The Brothers WISP < http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ > > < https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp > > > > < https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg > > > *From: *"Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > > > *Sent: *Monday, July 26, 2021 10:35:55 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues > > I can't see that link, but I'll take your word for it. > > I wonder if they had some logging process runaway. > > On 7/26/2021 10:24 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > https://m.facebook.com/groups/wisptalk/permalink/1645374449126897/ > > There is at least one other person with this issue right now. > > I've heard of disk-space and other rudimentary sysadmin issues > hitting Sonar before. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions < http://www.ics-il.com/ > > < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL > > Midwest Internet Exchange < http://www.midwest-ix.com/ > > < https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix >< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange >< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix > > The Brothers WISP < http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ > > < https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp > > > > < https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg > > > *From: *"Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > > > *To: *"Animal Farm" < af@af.afmug.com > > *Sent: *Monday, July 26, 2021 10:18:07 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues > > We're being told our Sonar Instance is 'out of disk space' They > added > disk space to the instance this morning and it started running, > but it > looks like it's down again now. Can't get to the login page, it > just > times out. They said that a couple other instances might have > been > having the same problem. Anyone else having Sonar V1 issues > this morning? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] list dead?
Are you calling me old? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 4:13:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] list dead? I thought facebook was only for 50+ now? On 7/28/2021 4:10 PM, David Milholen via AF wrote: Die Hard Fan since the old fcc list Im not a face book fan.. Let the young'ns have it lol On 7/25/2021 7:25 AM, Timothy Steele wrote: Everyone seems to have moved on to the WISP talk Facebook group There are still a good number on this list though On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 12:45 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: I tried that and got arrested for desecration of a corpse On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:27 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: Necromancy required to resurrect? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues
Ah, you likely have to be in the WISP Talk group to see it. In short, someone with similar symptoms was complaining and lots of, Sonar disappointment conversation. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues I can't see that link, but I'll take your word for it. I wonder if they had some logging process runaway. On 7/26/2021 10:24 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: https://m.facebook.com/groups/wisptalk/permalink/1645374449126897/ There is at least one other person with this issue right now. I've heard of disk-space and other rudimentary sysadmin issues hitting Sonar before. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:18:07 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues We're being told our Sonar Instance is 'out of disk space' They added disk space to the instance this morning and it started running, but it looks like it's down again now. Can't get to the login page, it just times out. They said that a couple other instances might have been having the same problem. Anyone else having Sonar V1 issues this morning? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues
https://m.facebook.com/groups/wisptalk/permalink/1645374449126897/ There is at least one other person with this issue right now. I've heard of disk-space and other rudimentary sysadmin issues hitting Sonar before. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:18:07 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar V1 Issues We're being told our Sonar Instance is 'out of disk space' They added disk space to the instance this morning and it started running, but it looks like it's down again now. Can't get to the login page, it just times out. They said that a couple other instances might have been having the same problem. Anyone else having Sonar V1 issues this morning? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
Did Crown offer any help at all as to who the parties on the tower may be? Oh, wait, I guess you said you were collocated with T-Mobile. Can you get good pictures of all of the equipment deployed on one of those towers? A lot of nerds out there can identify what bands (and brands of equipment) are being used from pictures of what's on the tower. It seems like it should boil down to two main camps, either it's on the up-and-up and the SAS knows about it so they'd be authoritative on if its operating correctly, or it isn't in which case you'll have to go through all of this crap. Try the contacts in the ULS for the carrier of concern? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tyson Burris" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:43:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA LOL, Mike you got to get in the game bro. I typed that up half asleep as well. It’s not always that easy, but yes we have done all that. You really think Crown, SBA, American care? Crowns answer: 3ghz isn’t licensed anyone can use it plus you would need to contact the interfering party directly Well they are partially right. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 8:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA I just woke up, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't the best yet. Can't you use a spectrum analyzer to track down the sources of the interference and then work with the tower owner on who it is that's on that tower and contact information? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tyson Burris" < t...@franklinisp.net > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:24:25 AM Subject: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA Good morning AF Geeks- Someone help me understand this better. Several questions below. We operate in six counties in Indiana. Some rural some not so much. In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even when we are connected to the SAS. While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on recently had new T-Mobile equipment deployed. I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to pulled the county PAL winners. Listed here: PAL winners for Johnson County, IN: XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz -Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and currently not deploying in fixed wireless. -Comcast floats off Verizon -Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer locally yet unless subleasing. Questions are: is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three? Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the country instead of just local counties? Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much spectrum and causing all the interference? Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender. Did any data come from that? What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does this force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely? Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE. Starting to think their system is worthless or inaccurate. Truth is I think this whole concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not fully tested on 3g. If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync? I ask because we found some very interesting work arounds and results with upload when we started playing with sync settings…ie distance, frame, channel. If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to a post how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side? Things we have discovered: * Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable range and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference still trashes the uplinks. * In some cases the SAS is blocking the clea
Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
There also is the erosion of trust issue. Many government types either outright lied to get the action they wanted or had restrictions that didn't scale with the current risk. That caused a lack of trust, so now people don't listen to the right stuff said by the right people because previously they lied. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2021 7:38:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political To be clear I don't disagree with you about getting vaccinated is the correct thing. But this isn't going to happen as long as there are loud voices in influential places which are continuing to push an agenda that is contrary to this message and is based on falsehoods. As I mentioned, I can understand that some people can look at the actual facts and make a decision for themselves which is contrary to what you and I believe is the correct opinion. I try very hard not to judge people who have a reasoned opinion based on facts. For example, if I was 20 and worked from home and generally wasn't around people, I might be wanting to wait a little bit more while we gain a bit more knowledge about the side effects to decide which vaccine was safest for me. There are lots of other examples where it might make sense to delay immunization based on the actual facts. But, all of us are going to have to gain immunity to this virus. You can either do it through a vaccine that has a very low risk of side effects (but not zero) or gain it naturally which has a 1% chance of death and 10-15% chance of long-term effects. Plus, gaining it naturally has all of the nasty public health issues we're discussing. This isn't a choice between "I'll take the risk of getting COVID", it's a choice between "What is the risk to me when I finally get COVID as an unvaccinated person vs what is the chance of me having bad side effects when having the vaccine". Statistically, the vaccine wins by every measure we have today. But people are bad with statistics and worse, those loud voices I mentioned hype up the low-instance side effects of getting the vaccine and downplay the significant risks around getting COVID if you are non-immunized so a non-informed person would be led to believe that the low-instance side effects are worse in most cases than the downsides to getting COVID. So there are a lot of people out there who are not able to make an informed decision based on actual risks. Instead, they're making decisions based on hype and lies. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 5:57 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: Getting vaccinated is just the correct thing to do...like polio and other ones.. I don't see it as an infringement on my rights at all. Families are dying in the south mostly...the virus doesn't give a shit what you believe... On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 4:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: I've been trying to stay out of this to avoid stirring this up further, but, it's probably time for me to stick my $0.02 in... One primary role of government is to make rules or laws in places where people's rights (or opinions) come in conflict with each other. Pre-vaccine, the most likely way for me to be protected from infection is if other people behaved like they might be a carrier. That is, limit social interaction, stay away from other people if possible, wear masks, practice good hygiene. Some people didn't want to do this. Other people didn't want to be infected, but couldn't protect themselves effectively. Both sides had rights - the right to do what one wants vs the right not to be infected by others who are a carrier. Add to that the right of being able to have an ICU bed available if you did end up infected. At this point, the government needed to step in and make a decision about who's rights were going to be protected, and because of the nature of COVID, most places ended up choosing the rights of people not to be infected. Post-vaccine this conversation changes. Now I have a way to protect myself. Post-vaccination, my risk of dying or having long-term effects from COVID is more like dying from the flu (if not less). As a result, now that anyone who wants a shot can get one, I really could care less whether someone else wears a mask or gets vaccinated. Your choice. And the government rules should reflect that, which most of them do at this point. There is one main caveat, and that is that in some areas we're going to have a resurgence of COVID among (mostly) the unvaccinated. If unvaccinated people start to fill the hospital ICU wards, then either we need to go back to mask mandates and similar in those areas, OR we need to be willing to kic
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA
I just woke up, so maybe my reading comprehension isn't the best yet. Can't you use a spectrum analyzer to track down the sources of the interference and then work with the tower owner on who it is that's on that tower and contact information? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tyson Burris" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:24:25 AM Subject: [AFMUG] T-Mobile PALs and CBRS GAA Good morning AF Geeks- Someone help me understand this better. Several questions below. We operate in six counties in Indiana. Some rural some not so much. In our main county (johnson) we are starting to get interference even when we are connected to the SAS. While we cannot prove anything yet, each tower we are seeing this on recently had new T-Mobile equipment deployed. I reached out to our attorney, Steve Coran, this week and asked him to pulled the county PAL winners. Listed here: PAL winners for Johnson County, IN: XF Wireless Investment, LLC (Comcast) -- 20 MHz Actel, LLC (CenturyLink) -- 20 MHz Wetterhorn Wireless L.L.C. (DISH) – 30 MHz -Century Link has zero cell services of any kind in our county and currently not deploying in fixed wireless. -Comcast floats off Verizon -Dish also has zero cell services of any kind in our count So what we ended up with is PAL winners who have nothing to offer locally yet unless subleasing. Questions are: is T-Mobile subleasing PAL’s from any of these three? Is T-Mobile illegally just rotating PAL’s anywhere they want in the country instead of just local counties? Anyway to clearly isolate the offending carrier sucking up so much spectrum and causing all the interference? Another member brought up T-Mobile as a possible offender. Did any data come from that? What time of the day do the SAS databases sync with each other and does this force other carriers to cut back on total GAA – share nicely? Has anyone found the other SAS providers to be better then GOOGLE. Starting to think their system is worthless or inaccurate. Truth is I think this whole concept of spectrum sharing is poorly handled and not fully tested on 3g. If a carrier is on the same tower, how will that affect sync? I ask because we found some very interesting work arounds and results with upload when we started playing with sync settings…ie distance, frame, channel. If the customer SM is moved from one spot to another or from a roof to a post how badly does this affect the calculations on the SAS side? Things we have discovered: * Even when we find noise floors on spectrum analysis in a reasonable range and move to the cleaner channel on the SAS the interference still trashes the uplinks. * In some cases the SAS is blocking the cleanest of channels which could be PAL related. * In some cases customer SM’s going off other ‘unaffected’ sites nearby may get knocked offline by the new noise. * In some cases we have had to drop off the SAS and found switching to other regulatory has allowed us to switch to cleaner channels and stabilized subs. (which is exactly what we shouldn’t be doing) * We have a ton of 450m units going on towers as both new and upgrades. I am concerned that the more urban areas will struggle with capacity since we have to break this up across multiple sectors. History and Equipment: Again this seems very isolated to our more urban deployments which have historically been awesome in the 50Mhz channels prior to CBRS turn ups. Our more rural areas are not seeing this issue at all. All three locations have very specific and brand new T-Mobile equipment so this has been our assumption of the cause without such proof. Equipment on these commercial towers has been no more then two 450i AP’s with KP 120’ sectors (pending 450m upgrades). Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
I can't believe real medical reasons would be more than 5%. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Robert" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 8:52:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political David, Do you have any research of the percentage of people who "have a valid medical reason" for not taking the vaccine? I don't imagine it's anywhere near the 45% of the US population the is refusing that are not below the current age limit. I would WAG that it's probably a lot less than the 20% number not taking it that would get us to effective herd immunity. Now the kids are getting it and that we don't have a solution for. On 7/23/21 4:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable. COVID is like someone with AIDS spraying you down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing. People have been prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS. Why not COVID? If you don’t want the vax, fine but you need a full body condom if you come within 100’ of another person. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron wrote: There are valid reasons for deciding to take this vaccine, the shingles vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a myriad of other medications. Each decision should be based on risk/reward of that drug and the medical condition being treated. To think that you know everyone’s medical situation better than they do doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive. To call them selfish for making a decision they believe is in their best medical interest seems overly judgmental. Yes, there are people are deciding not to take it simply because they think they shouldn’t be forced to take a medical treatment against their will. You may feel that we should force them to take the treatment for the better good. I doubt you would feel the same about mandatory castration of young men to curb overcrowding of the earth. Obviously there is a line somewhere about forced treatment for the greater good. I am not attempting to determine where that line is, only suggesting that folks have valid medical reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine and they shouldn’t be publicly shamed for making that decision. It doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am learning I see things differently than some other folks. So be it. I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, but we still have to act like the vaccine doesn’t work in order to save the human race. Seems like a disconnect there. If we were really so worried about infecting others or causing harm to others, we would avoid all other activities that create risk for others. We’d never drive a car, much less have a beer and get in a car. I doubt that very many of us on this list can say that. We would never allow the sale of fatty foods. We would force each and everyone to get to a body mass within our accepted range. Keep in mind life is risky. We don’t need to do stupid things, but being alive carries with it the risk of dying. We are all much more likely to die of heart disease, stroke related illness, or cancer than we are of Covid. Those are just the facts. Many folks make small adjustments to reduce the risk of those likely causes of mortality, but have long ago passed on decisions to make big changes to eliminate the possibility of those causes of death. I have long ago decided not to live in constant fear of these things. While I chose to be vaccinated, I respect the right of folks to make the best choice for their situation. I also respect the right of someone who is not in the best physical condition to eat a steak. I realize that a drunk driver might kill me some day, but I respect the right of individuals to go to a bar and expect that most (but not all) are responsible enough not to drink and drive when they have had too much. Keep in mind that this virus would have never come to our country if we never allowed anyone in or out of it. But we understand that certain personal freedoms are worth the possibility of catching a disease that might kill us. I have a tough time with the mass hypochondria surrounding this situation. Sorry, I am not meaning to make anyone mad, just trying to keep perspective. I just don’t understand why folks get so bent out of shape if they are already vaccinated. I guess they don’t believe the vaccine will work because if it does, there is nothing to worry about. I wager that given Covid’s relation to influenza like viruses, that it is with us permanently. We will have yearly updates to the vaccination, but we’ll never be rid of it. Not because people aren’t getting vaccinated, but because it will always mutate ahead of the vaccine, just like the flu virus. Please don’t take this as an argument to not work on vaccines, we absolutely should as it will save lives. But as Ca
Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
"It should be a discussion based upon the scientific merits of the situation." Unfortunately, even scientists are being censored on social media. Real ones with real things to say, not Cletus and his Bill Gates 5G malarkey. A podcast episode with one of the inventors of the mRNA process was taken down because it wasn't 100% in line with CDC\WHO. Same thing has happened with plenty of other discipline-relevant scientists and their social media, podcasts, etc. talking about scientific issues. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "David Coudron" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:11:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political I know, we can all make our own decisions. However, I don’t believe I have stated anything that varies from the facts. I can send you the Moderna sheet I received with my vaccine if you want to see that. Your points about FDA approval are probably accurate, however, why is not OK to say that I want to wait for the approval? That doesn’t seem so unreasonable. We don’t let folks on the plane based on the likelihood that those on the no-fly list probably won’t show up to get on the plane anyway. We still check each and every person to make sure. Just like we do the FDA approval process to make sure. Otherwise, we could just tell drug companies “if you are pretty sure you’d pass anyway, we won’t bother putting you through the approval process” We don’t do that for good reason. I agree with you on the memes both ways. Neither approach are helping the situation. It should be a discussion based upon the scientific merits of the situation. Unfortunately both side love to poke at the intelligence of those that don’t agree with their decision. There is no way to know this for sure, but I wonder how many folks publicly shaming others for not taking the vaccine know that it is not FDA approved? Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, nor am I suggesting it should have. But I don’t think that those of us that decided to go ahead with the vaccination get to make medical decisions for those who aren’t comfortable with an experimental vaccine. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list. On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote: Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. 1. Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA approved medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly stated several facts. Among them are: 1. This is not FDA approved. It has an emergency use authorization. FDA approval takes a long time, but around 90% of the submissions end up approved because they are pretty well tested by the manufacturer before they apply. Anybody applying for FDA approval already has a pretty good idea whether it's going to go through or not. Presumably people on a no-fly list don't routinely show up at the airport expecting to board a plane. Presumably people don't try to get a CDL if they know they'll fail the drug test. Same idea. 1. 2. This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. While we likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. 99% of people dying of Covid right now are un-vaccinated. We can split hairs and say maybe it didn't prevent them from becoming infected, but it clearly prevents them from dying. 1. 1. The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. I've never heard such an argument. 1. Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you take has some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years old and folks are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”. It used to be that people relied upon a conversation with their doctor to determine personal risk of disease and use of a drug. Apparently we no longer do that. We publicly shame people into using experimental drugs. 1. Since it
Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
Another reason why vaccinated people would "selfishly" care about the unvaccinated is that the unvaccinated people are likely where the variants are coming from. Eventually, a variant will come out that isn't covered by the vaccine. At that point, all of the vaccinated people are at risk again. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck Macenski" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:00:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political Q: Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t vaccinated? A: A few reasons: * We are tired of wearing masks * We don't want to get sick (nothing is 100%) * We want open ICU beds in case we need them If you find someone who has had a conversation with their physician and it was recommended that they not getting the vaccine, sobeit. I don't think that happens very often. On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 2:44 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: One question: Should Typhoid Mary have been allowed to just roam free? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2021, at 1:37 PM, David Coudron < david.coud...@advantenon.com > wrote: Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. 1. Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA approved medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly stated several facts. Among them are: 1. This is not FDA approved. 2. This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. While we likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. 2. The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you take has some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years old and folks are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”. It used to be that people relied upon a conversation with their doctor to determine personal risk of disease and use of a drug. Apparently we no longer do that. We publicly shame people into using experimental drugs. 3. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug interactions with other medicines folks need to take. We likely understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all. We have FDA approval processes for good reason. If for example, you were under 40 and were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold off on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication. An incredibly low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good chance of serious injury from seizure. As far as I know data like that is certainly not available yet. 4. Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have decided not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug? Does it make them feel smarter? We have people not getting flu vaccinations every year, and that is with FDA approved medicine. But now all of a sudden it is OK to ridicule folks that are making a decision based limited data on an experimental drug for which the majority of the population has a very low chance of serious illness or death? And when they do ridicule folks, they never discuss the facts at hand, or want to have a serious discussion about the risk/reward of this particular vaccine. Two years from now, with an FDA approval in place and a full understanding of drug interactions and effectiveness of the vaccine the conversation might look completely different. Right now, I believe some very intelligent people are looking at the risk/reward and saying “not now, but probably some day as this will become the new yearly flu vaccine”. Until then, my risk of virus related illness doesn’t warrant a decision to take the vaccine. 5. Why are people that are vaccinated so obsessed with people that aren’t vaccinated? For those of us that are vaccinated, we are safe right? That was the point of taking the vaccine. 6. Most of the science that seems most accura
Re: [AFMUG] DFS in DC
TDWR is also likely the least of one's concerns in DFS in terms of likelyhood to be impacted by. Military use is the primary use of the band. There are also dozens if not hundreds of private weather radars across the country using the 5 GHz band. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Zach Underwood" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 12:51:38 PM Subject: [AFMUG] DFS in DC After getting more than a few hits at our DC MDU sites I looked up the TDWR and it looks like there are 4 TDWR within range of DC. I have since disabled DFS channels at our DC sites but wow. Andrews Air Force Base (ADW), MD Baltimore/Wash (BWI), MD Dulles (IAD), VA Washington National (DCA), MD -- Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT, UACA ) My website advance-networking.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
Interesting... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 11:00:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Centurylink Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: https://www.wavedc.com/ Which ILECs are they overbuilding? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact I wonder what is behind zipply? I just got asked to go to a mid sized town and build zipply ftth. I might. Their rates are pretty good for contractors. So who is behind them? They are overbuilding ILECS. From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact I can go take photos of it, but that would be a real pain in the ass as it's not a short drive. In some cases it's a box up on the power-pole attached to the phone cable and from that point to the house it's fiber. In some cases it comes straight out of the box mounted to the side of the roadway where both fiber and copper come out of it and go up the pole for distribution to the neighborhood. I stopped and talked to one of their guys on their truck, he said they use copper to a converter and fiber from there to the house so it's really DSL even though it's fiber. This conversation was about a year ago, I forget what he called the converter. Our main competitor in this area is zipply and the customers that switch to us all have a common complaint, poor speeds. They were promised 30MBps or higher and usually get less than 5 and their main bitch is they're not able to connect, upload/download and they're paying for services they're not getting. We have two customers that switched because they telework from home. They file documents, come-on, what kind of load is required for filling out orders and forms which are mostly text? Barely 1MBps if that and zipply lost those accounts. We market like a puppy-store. Try it for a test drive for 30 days, free, Try us, compared to what you have already. If you like us then start paying after 30 days. If you don't like us, ask us to come get our equipment, no charges. No contract. On 7/16/21 1:43 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Jan I will have to say that I don't think any of that is accurate, but the thing that stands out the most; They are feeding their fibers subs from dsl? C'mon really? I think you are confused, Zipply is primarily expanding and providing fiber, but they bought some service areas from Frontier and they are stuck with some dsl stuff due to caf obligations, show me where anyone is delivering fiber to a customer that is fed via DSL and I'll eat my shoe... On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:34 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: Well of course, you don't think they want the law-suits to follow them do you? They blame the corporate, hold a circular firing squad and start-up a new company. The local VP was someone I personally know. He moved away on a new venture of his own, he started up a WISP, now he doesn't report to anybody other than his wife and customers. He's much happier and healthy now. On 7/16/21 1:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Zipply is totally different management than Frontier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jan-GAMs" mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Yeah, Frontier wouldn't answer the phones for tech support, wouldn't take care of their customers, etc . We had to switch our phone service, it too sucked. They used to be GE, then Verizon, then Frontier and now they're zipply. Same people, same company, same trucks, same buildings. Selling DSL as if it's fiber. They have DSL nodes along the highway and they run some kind of converter to fiber and run that fiber to homes in the area. The further they get down the road of course, the shittier the signal. I think that's their MO: rip everyone off till the law-suits start, close shop and reappear with a new name. We have one customer who paid for two lines from Zipply just to get 6MBps of iffy service for $90/mo. We give them 30MBps for $55/mo. They're real happy I knocked on their door. On 7/16/21 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They changed their name? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jan-GAMs&quo
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
https://www.wavedc.com/ Which ILECs are they overbuilding? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact I wonder what is behind zipply? I just got asked to go to a mid sized town and build zipply ftth. I might. Their rates are pretty good for contractors. So who is behind them? They are overbuilding ILECS. From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact I can go take photos of it, but that would be a real pain in the ass as it's not a short drive. In some cases it's a box up on the power-pole attached to the phone cable and from that point to the house it's fiber. In some cases it comes straight out of the box mounted to the side of the roadway where both fiber and copper come out of it and go up the pole for distribution to the neighborhood. I stopped and talked to one of their guys on their truck, he said they use copper to a converter and fiber from there to the house so it's really DSL even though it's fiber. This conversation was about a year ago, I forget what he called the converter. Our main competitor in this area is zipply and the customers that switch to us all have a common complaint, poor speeds. They were promised 30MBps or higher and usually get less than 5 and their main bitch is they're not able to connect, upload/download and they're paying for services they're not getting. We have two customers that switched because they telework from home. They file documents, come-on, what kind of load is required for filling out orders and forms which are mostly text? Barely 1MBps if that and zipply lost those accounts. We market like a puppy-store. Try it for a test drive for 30 days, free, Try us, compared to what you have already. If you like us then start paying after 30 days. If you don't like us, ask us to come get our equipment, no charges. No contract. On 7/16/21 1:43 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Jan I will have to say that I don't think any of that is accurate, but the thing that stands out the most; They are feeding their fibers subs from dsl? C'mon really? I think you are confused, Zipply is primarily expanding and providing fiber, but they bought some service areas from Frontier and they are stuck with some dsl stuff due to caf obligations, show me where anyone is delivering fiber to a customer that is fed via DSL and I'll eat my shoe... On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:34 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: Well of course, you don't think they want the law-suits to follow them do you? They blame the corporate, hold a circular firing squad and start-up a new company. The local VP was someone I personally know. He moved away on a new venture of his own, he started up a WISP, now he doesn't report to anybody other than his wife and customers. He's much happier and healthy now. On 7/16/21 1:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Zipply is totally different management than Frontier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jan-GAMs" mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Yeah, Frontier wouldn't answer the phones for tech support, wouldn't take care of their customers, etc . We had to switch our phone service, it too sucked. They used to be GE, then Verizon, then Frontier and now they're zipply. Same people, same company, same trucks, same buildings. Selling DSL as if it's fiber. They have DSL nodes along the highway and they run some kind of converter to fiber and run that fiber to homes in the area. The further they get down the road of course, the shittier the signal. I think that's their MO: rip everyone off till the law-suits start, close shop and reappear with a new name. We have one customer who paid for two lines from Zipply just to get 6MBps of iffy service for $90/mo. We give them 30MBps for $55/mo. They're real happy I knocked on their door. On 7/16/21 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They changed their name? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jan-GAMs" mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:00:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact You must not be from around here. their reputation got so bad they changed their name On 7/14/21 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: frontier does not play fast and loose. They follow all of the rules and are completely on the up an up. When I think of an upstanding company, I think of Frontier On W
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
https://ziplyfiber.com/fiber-construction - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 1:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact I wonder what is behind zipply? I just got asked to go to a mid sized town and build zipply ftth. I might. Their rates are pretty good for contractors. So who is behind them? They are overbuilding ILECS. From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 11:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact I can go take photos of it, but that would be a real pain in the ass as it's not a short drive. In some cases it's a box up on the power-pole attached to the phone cable and from that point to the house it's fiber. In some cases it comes straight out of the box mounted to the side of the roadway where both fiber and copper come out of it and go up the pole for distribution to the neighborhood. I stopped and talked to one of their guys on their truck, he said they use copper to a converter and fiber from there to the house so it's really DSL even though it's fiber. This conversation was about a year ago, I forget what he called the converter. Our main competitor in this area is zipply and the customers that switch to us all have a common complaint, poor speeds. They were promised 30MBps or higher and usually get less than 5 and their main bitch is they're not able to connect, upload/download and they're paying for services they're not getting. We have two customers that switched because they telework from home. They file documents, come-on, what kind of load is required for filling out orders and forms which are mostly text? Barely 1MBps if that and zipply lost those accounts. We market like a puppy-store. Try it for a test drive for 30 days, free, Try us, compared to what you have already. If you like us then start paying after 30 days. If you don't like us, ask us to come get our equipment, no charges. No contract. On 7/16/21 1:43 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Jan I will have to say that I don't think any of that is accurate, but the thing that stands out the most; They are feeding their fibers subs from dsl? C'mon really? I think you are confused, Zipply is primarily expanding and providing fiber, but they bought some service areas from Frontier and they are stuck with some dsl stuff due to caf obligations, show me where anyone is delivering fiber to a customer that is fed via DSL and I'll eat my shoe... On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 1:34 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: Well of course, you don't think they want the law-suits to follow them do you? They blame the corporate, hold a circular firing squad and start-up a new company. The local VP was someone I personally know. He moved away on a new venture of his own, he started up a WISP, now he doesn't report to anybody other than his wife and customers. He's much happier and healthy now. On 7/16/21 1:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Zipply is totally different management than Frontier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jan-GAMs" mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Yeah, Frontier wouldn't answer the phones for tech support, wouldn't take care of their customers, etc . We had to switch our phone service, it too sucked. They used to be GE, then Verizon, then Frontier and now they're zipply. Same people, same company, same trucks, same buildings. Selling DSL as if it's fiber. They have DSL nodes along the highway and they run some kind of converter to fiber and run that fiber to homes in the area. The further they get down the road of course, the shittier the signal. I think that's their MO: rip everyone off till the law-suits start, close shop and reappear with a new name. We have one customer who paid for two lines from Zipply just to get 6MBps of iffy service for $90/mo. We give them 30MBps for $55/mo. They're real happy I knocked on their door. On 7/16/21 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They changed their name? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jan-GAMs" mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:00:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact You must not be from around here. their reputation got so bad they changed their name On 7/14/21 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: frontier does not play fast and loose. They follow all of the rules and are completely on the up an up. When I think of an upstanding company, I think of Frontier On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
I know someone at the top of Zipply. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something to the effect of, "We're trying to be the ILEC that doesn't suck.". ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:33:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Well of course, you don't think they want the law-suits to follow them do you? They blame the corporate, hold a circular firing squad and start-up a new company. The local VP was someone I personally know. He moved away on a new venture of his own, he started up a WISP, now he doesn't report to anybody other than his wife and customers. He's much happier and healthy now. On 7/16/21 1:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Zipply is totally different management than Frontier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Yeah, Frontier wouldn't answer the phones for tech support, wouldn't take care of their customers, etc . We had to switch our phone service, it too sucked. They used to be GE, then Verizon, then Frontier and now they're zipply. Same people, same company, same trucks, same buildings. Selling DSL as if it's fiber. They have DSL nodes along the highway and they run some kind of converter to fiber and run that fiber to homes in the area. The further they get down the road of course, the shittier the signal. I think that's their MO: rip everyone off till the law-suits start, close shop and reappear with a new name. We have one customer who paid for two lines from Zipply just to get 6MBps of iffy service for $90/mo. We give them 30MBps for $55/mo. They're real happy I knocked on their door. On 7/16/21 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They changed their name? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:00:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact You must not be from around here. their reputation got so bad they changed their name On 7/14/21 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: frontier does not play fast and loose. They follow all of the rules and are completely on the up an up. When I think of an upstanding company, I think of Frontier On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: I can’t prove it yet, but I’m pretty sure there a number of mobile and iLEC’s running CBRS gear illegally. Frontier has been playing pretty fast and loose with the rules around here. Mark > On Jul 14, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with a T-Mobile RF engineer? > > Our CBRS network has been receiving heavy interference from what we believe > is a new T-Mobile site at an American tower facility. > > The equipment isn’t registered with the SAS and appears to be operating in > the part 90 portion of the band 3650-3700mhz as a part 90 device and not a > part 96 CBRS device. > > American tower has been no help other than opening a ticket. > > Federated is our SAS vendor and they haven’t been any help either other than > telling us it’s not in the SAS. > > I’ve also done an application search in the FCC auction 105 (CRBS) site, but > T-mobile must have been bidding under a different name. > > Any help is much appreciated, > > -Sean Heskett > 970-846-8065 > -- > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
Zipply is totally different management than Frontier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 3:12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact Yeah, Frontier wouldn't answer the phones for tech support, wouldn't take care of their customers, etc . We had to switch our phone service, it too sucked. They used to be GE, then Verizon, then Frontier and now they're zipply. Same people, same company, same trucks, same buildings. Selling DSL as if it's fiber. They have DSL nodes along the highway and they run some kind of converter to fiber and run that fiber to homes in the area. The further they get down the road of course, the shittier the signal. I think that's their MO: rip everyone off till the law-suits start, close shop and reappear with a new name. We have one customer who paid for two lines from Zipply just to get 6MBps of iffy service for $90/mo. We give them 30MBps for $55/mo. They're real happy I knocked on their door. On 7/16/21 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: They changed their name? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:00:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact You must not be from around here. their reputation got so bad they changed their name On 7/14/21 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: frontier does not play fast and loose. They follow all of the rules and are completely on the up an up. When I think of an upstanding company, I think of Frontier On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: I can’t prove it yet, but I’m pretty sure there a number of mobile and iLEC’s running CBRS gear illegally. Frontier has been playing pretty fast and loose with the rules around here. Mark > On Jul 14, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with a T-Mobile RF engineer? > > Our CBRS network has been receiving heavy interference from what we believe > is a new T-Mobile site at an American tower facility. > > The equipment isn’t registered with the SAS and appears to be operating in > the part 90 portion of the band 3650-3700mhz as a part 90 device and not a > part 96 CBRS device. > > American tower has been no help other than opening a ticket. > > Federated is our SAS vendor and they haven’t been any help either other than > telling us it’s not in the SAS. > > I’ve also done an application search in the FCC auction 105 (CRBS) site, but > T-mobile must have been bidding under a different name. > > Any help is much appreciated, > > -Sean Heskett > 970-846-8065 > -- > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
They changed their name? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jan-GAMs" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:00:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact You must not be from around here. their reputation got so bad they changed their name On 7/14/21 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote: frontier does not play fast and loose. They follow all of the rules and are completely on the up an up. When I think of an upstanding company, I think of Frontier On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: I can’t prove it yet, but I’m pretty sure there a number of mobile and iLEC’s running CBRS gear illegally. Frontier has been playing pretty fast and loose with the rules around here. Mark > On Jul 14, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with a T-Mobile RF engineer? > > Our CBRS network has been receiving heavy interference from what we believe > is a new T-Mobile site at an American tower facility. > > The equipment isn’t registered with the SAS and appears to be operating in > the part 90 portion of the band 3650-3700mhz as a part 90 device and not a > part 96 CBRS device. > > American tower has been no help other than opening a ticket. > > Federated is our SAS vendor and they haven’t been any help either other than > telling us it’s not in the SAS. > > I’ve also done an application search in the FCC auction 105 (CRBS) site, but > T-mobile must have been bidding under a different name. > > Any help is much appreciated, > > -Sean Heskett > 970-846-8065 > -- > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Public broadband failures
DeKalb County. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 6:15:15 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Public broadband failures Does anyone know a compiled list of community broadband projects that have received federal funds then failed or got sold off? One of the counties in our service area is in the process of 'thinking about building a fiber network that we(they) will run ourselves' We're looking for examples we can give them where the government built then network, but was then unable to continue to run it, or it didn't play out the way they expected. Here in Illinois, another county just recently transferred their BTOP funded Fiber network to a private entity because they were convinced they didn't want to run it anymore (there's more to the story, but that's the long and short from what I gather) There's gotta be stories like this all over, has there been a list compiled somewhere? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation
If you like Mikrotik, I'd go something CHR-based. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jason McKemie" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 12:48:19 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation I'm looking to update my gateway router (currently a CCR1036) to something that can support 2 10GE WAN connections running BGP. I'd probably want at least 3 or 4 SFP+ ports. The CCR1072 comes to mind, but I've read horror stories relating to this model, so I'm looking at other options. Those of you that use Juniper or Cisco, what would you recommend? I'd probably be buying gray-market on these brands due to the price. Thanks. Jason -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar v2
Sonar's implementation of the Avalara integration in v1 is junk and does not produce appropriate taxation. Avalara has said it's imperative that Sonar fix it. Sonar's response is to just move me to v2, to a feature they said wouldn't be ready for 5 - 6 weeks. I figure add at least 6 months before that is worth running production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 9:34:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar v2 Are there specific features you want to implement in V2? We have gotten no push to go to V2. Nate On 6/28/2021 9:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Are any of you Sonar v2 users actually satisfied with the platform? It's > looking like they are going to strong-arm me into migrating to v2 and *every* > *single* person I know on v2 is dissatisfied with it. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Sonar v2
Are any of you Sonar v2 users actually satisfied with the platform? It's looking like they are going to strong-arm me into migrating to v2 and *every* *single* person I know on v2 is dissatisfied with it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Helium
I found someone else making real money, about $1k - $2k per month per location. Too bad they're out of stock for the foreseeable future. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 3:30:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Helium I thought it was just a bunch of bullshit. So people are getting real money out of it? Hrm. Any way to put a big antenna on it and really pull in some coverage? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 2:04:45 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Helium Any of you doing the Helium network? Just had a friend stop by wanting some advice on antennas. He has a couple of hot spots up (900 omni) and he says he is making $3K/month. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Helium
I thought it was just a bunch of bullshit. So people are getting real money out of it? Hrm. Any way to put a big antenna on it and really pull in some coverage? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 2:04:45 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Helium Any of you doing the Helium network? Just had a friend stop by wanting some advice on antennas. He has a couple of hot spots up (900 omni) and he says he is making $3K/month. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] STIR/SHAKEN non-tech
We have a consultant filing our mitigation plan (June 30 deadline) and are working with Metaswitch\TNS on the technical aspects (seems like we have until 2022 to do that). >From some webinars I got the impression that we needed a variety of policy and >procedure changes to be compliant. Where is a good resource to figure those >out? Yes, I am working a variety of things in parallel in this project. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something
Did it have a quarter slot? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jay Weekley" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 12:15:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something It was one of those adjustable beds I think I think. Bill Prince wrote: > we had a customer with a "bed problem" too. It was quite a while ago > and I don't remember the specifics, but i was: "Your bed is having > connectivity issues?!?!" > > > bp > > > On 6/23/2021 9:53 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: >> We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our >> router. The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was >> inferior and that was the problem. >> >> Josh Luthman wrote: >>> Your TV isn't connecting. Please contact your ISP. >>> >>> Your phone isn't turning on. Please contact your ISP. >>> >>> Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System. >>> Please contact your ISP. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE >>> WAY >>> to the equipment room. >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> >>> On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote: >>> > 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they >>> have no >>> > internet. On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and >>> multiple >>> > pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc) >>> How can >>> > you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually >>> > blinking are not blinking? I'm guessing it's also much quieter >>> than >>> > normal. And how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call >>> the ISP >>> > because the internet isn't working' before even checking >>> anything. >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >> > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Zhone Consultant
Google hasn't been much help. I am seeking recommendations of Zhone consultants to rebuild our ZMS server. I have far too much on my plate for what I'd expect to be commodity-type work. Offlist is fine. Yes, I have asked DZS what they have for professional services. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests
I guess I should have read the entire email before responding. I'm less sure that Diglet would meet what you're looking for. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:29:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests https://www.diglet.net/testimonials - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:25:31 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests For those of you with underground plant, how do you keep track of your Locate requests? In our area, lots of micro 5G cells are being installed, so we have multiple locate requests for the same area. First the City replaces the utility pole, then the Electrician bores in a power feed, then one or more telcos bore fiber to the pole, this process takes 2-3 months. Around here at least, they are very lax about their actual start date. May get a locate request in on Tuesday saying boring work starts on Thursday, then a week later a re-mark request comes in, then a week after that another re-mark request before they actually do the job. Each one of these requests generates its own locate ticket. It's easier to just pull the pictures to re-mark instead of hooking the locator back up, since they are usually for about 40'-60' worth of locating through their work area. How do you keep track of the pictures of different locates? The locate Ticket number is useless try to find it later. File them by fiber path number, handhole number, GPS Coordinates? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests
https://www.diglet.net/testimonials - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 10:25:31 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Tracking UG locate requests For those of you with underground plant, how do you keep track of your Locate requests? In our area, lots of micro 5G cells are being installed, so we have multiple locate requests for the same area. First the City replaces the utility pole, then the Electrician bores in a power feed, then one or more telcos bore fiber to the pole, this process takes 2-3 months. Around here at least, they are very lax about their actual start date. May get a locate request in on Tuesday saying boring work starts on Thursday, then a week later a re-mark request comes in, then a week after that another re-mark request before they actually do the job. Each one of these requests generates its own locate ticket. It's easier to just pull the pictures to re-mark instead of hooking the locator back up, since they are usually for about 40'-60' worth of locating through their work area. How do you keep track of the pictures of different locates? The locate Ticket number is useless try to find it later. File them by fiber path number, handhole number, GPS Coordinates? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT hotspot sim
GSM vs. CDMA is pretty much dead. Everyone uses LTE or VoLTE anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 5:25:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT hotspot sim AT and T-MOBILE both use GSM so i am pretty sure SIMs are interchangeable On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 4:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: It is Hologram. I finally figured it out. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 2:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT hotspot sim The sim could really be registered with just about anyone. Just because it has a logo doesn't mean much. For $6 you can get 3 Tmobile sims from Twilio and create a plan under their IOT Programmable wireless. You can pay as you go or buy in chunks. Cameron On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 3:11 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Logo did not produce a match. From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 1:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT hotspot sim None of my common throwaway usernames and passwords logged in. I am taking a photo of the logo on the sim and will see if google image search can figure it out. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 1:51 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT hotspot sim Chuck, Freedom Pop maybe? -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Friday, June 4, 2021, 3:46:59 PM, you wrote: I have an AT hotspot. It has some off brand sim card. Free data if you keep it under some tiny amount. Problem is, I don’t know who I got it from. I want to log in and up the data but I have no clue. Someone here recommended it a couple of years ago. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and STA Firmware Defaulting Radios
Free, like herpes? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 9:16:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and STA Firmware Defaulting Radios Unimus isnt free. Its a fair price, but not free like a script On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 6:57 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Couldn't you do that with Unimus? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 3:25:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and STA Firmware Defaulting Radios That sounds really usefully, is it something you would be willing to share? I wish that cnMaestro did like UNMS/UISP and automatically makes a backup of the configuration any time it detects a config change. On 6/1/2021 8:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a script that gets all of the config every month on every EPMP AP. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 2:52 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I was just loading the 4.6 STA Firmware on a couple 1000 AP's. It took the first firmware upgrade fine, but on the 2nd firmware upgrade to the AP, 2 out of the 3 AP's factory defaulted (except for passwords). These were EPMP 1000 LITE ap's. So, Moral is, Remember to make a config backup before running the upgrade. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and STA Firmware Defaulting Radios
Couldn't you do that with Unimus? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 3:25:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and STA Firmware Defaulting Radios That sounds really usefully, is it something you would be willing to share? I wish that cnMaestro did like UNMS/UISP and automatically makes a backup of the configuration any time it detects a config change. On 6/1/2021 8:17 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a script that gets all of the config every month on every EPMP AP. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 2:52 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: I was just loading the 4.6 STA Firmware on a couple 1000 AP's. It took the first firmware upgrade fine, but on the 2nd firmware upgrade to the AP, 2 out of the 3 AP's factory defaulted (except for passwords). These were EPMP 1000 LITE ap's. So, Moral is, Remember to make a config backup before running the upgrade. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT commies
Tribalism is great, isn't it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Trey Scarborough" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 12:14:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT commies Its really sad that this has been politicized as much as it has it makes it almost next to impossible to find any true data on the topic as each side wants to either hide and coverup information that makes ill light of their view, or release some meaningless information just to scare people in to going their way. Personally as far as vaccinations are concerned that's a personal choice and as with masks if you chose to wear one or not just don't make a big deal out of it either way. If some business wants to require everyone show proof they have skydived in a snorkel thats within there rights long as its not discriminatory. I find it interesting you used the "no shirt no shoes no service" analogy and it is spot on the money for this topic. There has never been any law or code that enforces the no shirt no shoes policy however. The history of this standard policy businesses have implemented in the past were to slide under discrimination laws. After the Civil rights act businesses would post these signs to keep poorer people from being able to enter their businesses mainly directed at minorities. Then again in the 70s to keep the no shirt no shoes long haired hippies out. I find it now that the mask mandates have been lifted it is used to keep people of certain political beliefs out by either requiring them or by making it blatant you don't want to see anyone in one. It's a new interesting age we live in were discrimination for race, religion, and sexual behaviors have all taken a back seat to the all mighty political view. On 5/18/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Yellow fever vaccination is required for entry to many countries. Nobody questions that... Shoes and shirts are required for entry to restaurants. Nobody questions that... From: David Coudron Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 9:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT commies I hear what you are saying Bill. Surprising it has become such a politically divided topic. However, I remember when our kids were little and we went through the normal course of decisions on vaccinations. Most were no brainers, chicken pox, measles etc. But our daughter hit her teens right as the HPV vaccination was coming out. I remember talking about the risk of HPV and the newness of the vaccine with our doctor and with my wife’s sister and brother in law who are both doctors. Based on this we made our own decision for our daughter based on risk of disease versus risk of vaccination. That seemed like a good approach at the time. Our current situation isn’t like that since the government is pushing the vaccinations so hard, which is why I think folks see this as political topic. Not looking to start a Lent thread, but I suspect the politics of vaccination are going to be with us as long as political resources such and governors and federal officials are commenting on vaccination and even making policy based on vaccination status. I remember an uncle telling me once, being forced to do something makes people feel much differently about doing it. He said “giving money in the collection plate at church is something you know you should do, and when you do it on your own, you feel good about it. However if someone forces you to do it, whether by taking the money from your pocket, or not letting you go to church unless you give at the collection plate, you don’t feel the same about it. It is still the right thing to do, but that good thing leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Most people will do the right thing in their own time.” Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:24 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT commies I can not for the life of me figure out how getting vaccinated has turned into some kind of political discussion. bp On 5/18/2021 8:19 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: A local popular restaurant that has survived the last year on take out orders is opening to in store dining with no social distancing. But you have to show your shot card to get in. I reduced and laminated mine. After news broke of this they are getting death threats and are being accused of being commies. The posted to facebook the rules and mention that no, you will have to actually pay for the food as they are not true commies. My wife and I plan to be there this week. We found some red hammer and sickle shirts to wear for the event. Excellent gumbo, jambalaya and a mix called gumbayala. Gumbayla is a heart stopper... From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:41 AM To: AnimalFarm M
Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books
Fancy letter from a cheap attorney? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "David Coudron" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:05:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books QB tells us nothing. From: David Coudron Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:04 AM To: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Quick Books >From what I read, it is not easy. You will automatically be removed from the >list in 5 years. However, there are two ways to be removed earlier, if QB >contacts Mastercards and says the original add to the list was in error, or if >the reason you are on the list was that you weren’t PCI-DSS compliant but can >prove you have since become compliant. Here is a pretty good article on it. >Read to the bottom for the how to remove yourself from the list section: https://chargebacks911.com/match-list/ By the way, they list the specific reasons you can be put on the list in this article. I think QB would owe you an explanation of why they selected the reason code they did when adding you to the list. It looks to be very specific, they cannot cancel you just because they don’t like you, or your business, etc. Regards, David Coudron From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:58 AM To: David Coudron ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Quick Books No, never any chargebacks. Yes, I think we are good with IP Pay. Sure like to get off the MATCH list. Any recourse there? From: David Coudron Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 9:55 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Quick Books Chuck, Were you getting any charge backs when you were using Quickbooks for credit card settlement? If you hadn’t been getting any, you may have some pushback against Quickbooks for putting you on the list. From what I can tell, you ended up on the MATCH list because Quickbooks listed you as a cancelled merchant account. Did IP Pay take the business even though you were on the MATCH list? Regards, David Coudron From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 10:49 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Quick Books QB put us on a fraud list! IP Pay called us and told us we were on the “match” list. What a bunch of crap. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] ZOOM issues
Upstream peering port congestion? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 2:19:08 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ZOOM issues Anyone else getting complaints about ZOOM performance over the last week. Been getting a higher than usual level of calls about the "Your Internet Connection Is Unstable" message. These guys are on a fiber connection. Our upstream bandwidth is no where near capacity. Most of these guys are on our 50/50 mbps plans. Other real-time stuff seems to be working, such as VoIP. I'm just scratching my head on this one. -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
It could be all CGI, green screen, etc. for all we know. They surely didn't setup a desk and a fake floor on the tower. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:18:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial I'm pretty forgiving when they get technicalities wrong on TV and movies. Maybe 1% of people will understand there's a non-standard safety system in use. But I assume everyone in the USA knows what a ladder is. On 5/19/2021 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls. .I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a ladder right behind her the entire time. On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time. Not sure if that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times. On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Where's the link On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while her hook is strapped to her chest? That's going to get some fun Twitter -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial
https://imgur.com/gallery/SNl5nzw - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:04:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: us cellular commercial Looks similar to the fall arrest system they use on rock climbing walls. .I'm wondering why she climbed on the angle iron when there was a ladder right behind her the entire time. On 5/19/2021 11:54 AM, Nate Burke wrote: This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nVuwEgBw She has a ratchet strap on her back the entire time. Not sure if that's 100% kosher, but she is tethered at all times. On 5/19/2021 10:37 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Where's the link On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:23 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: Anybody see this yet? With the lady essentially free climbing a tower while her hook is strapped to her chest? That's going to get some fun Twitter -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Whiteboard options
Plywood? You decadent pig! ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:58:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Whiteboard options I don’t like the glass ones. The parallax between the glass and white backing produces odd shadow effects that tend to reduce edge detection in my eyeballs. Fuzzes everything up. Low contrast. You can buy white smooth melamine or melamine covered plywood at Home Depot. Works great. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:53 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Whiteboard options that does look nice but pricey. May swing by the glass company. still going to use the storm window on the door for sure. my daughter will probably just draw penises all over it. we painted a bunch of walls with chalkboard pain in the house, theyre covered in multicolored penises now On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 8:30 AM Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: The cabinets in my office have frosted glass for the doors. Makes a great whiteboard. Picture has a lot of reflections but in use it’s very easy to read. Mark On May 17, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: That does look nice. On 5/17/2021 8:30 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Quartet-Whiteboard-Magnetic-Infinity-G7248W/dp/B00HDSX41E From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 12:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Whiteboard options I know, I'm a scumbag, not getting with the digital whiteboard program. I'm a whiteboard guy, I need to draw, document, note, etc on something I can learn back in my chair and mull over. I'm just finishing a small dedicated home office and looking and my stained whiteboard. I've renewed he surface with industrial floor cleaner/polish a lot of times. But I think shes dead jim. I needed a cheap door for the office I built so I got a cheap storm door. Looking at the storm window I think making a glass whiteboard from a storm window would be tits. Can get a base drawing then slide the glass up and note over the drawing. I cant say how many times I wished I could overlay my whiteboard notes. Before I go full ghetto and fasten a storm window to my wall, do they make a sliding glass whiteboard that doesnt break the bank? I like the idea of glass because windex works and it never needs the surface renewed after something sat on it for 10 months. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Netflow tools
Note that RouterOS doesn't include AS numbers in Netflow data, so you'll need a method for injecting that information. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 10:15:42 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Netflow tools I'm looking to get a picture of what kind of traffic our network is using. Streaming/downloads/gaming, Etc. I'm already using Netflow to send data to Sonar, but all it does is use that for transfer stats for the customer IP's. It's been several years since I looked at on site Netflow tools. Any recommendations for collectors/analyzers. Solar winds shows up in the top of all the searches, but I'm sure their pricing will match all that advertizing. I just want to run something for a couple weeks and see what our most popular sources of traffic are. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing
I agree. The value of the time Chuck has spent trying to not go with a real billing system has paid for that first year's billing system (if not more). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 2:02:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing You're working super hard to not work hard. Get a real billing system! Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 2:09 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: Well we had a fork in the conversation just now: If you enter a CC in a customer account in Plat, then it's stored in your local MS SQL database; optionally with encryption if you configured the encryption. Anything modern is tokenizing and storing the token instead. I understand your statement that you don't care either way because you won't store CC numbers, but you might be crazy. Some customers will want autopay, and if they *want* you to whack their card every month then I think you should. But I know you're a big boy and you make your own choices. On 5/6/2021 1:51 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: But if you never enter a CC card into plat, and the actual payment transaction is done by IPPay, why would plat store a card number. I am not doing a recurring billing. They have to pay manually each month, at least for now. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:38 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing I wouldn't count on it. Most of the systems do this now (tokenize with the processor and just store a token and last 4 to show the customer) to take away your liability, but every instance of Plat I've seen has credit cards in the DB. On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: I'd assume they're storing a token and not the actual card number. On 5/6/2021 1:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote: IIRC, once you entered a CC into the enterprise version of QB, the CC number went under control of Intuit in their cloud. You could no longer access it, except to update it to a new card, and then it "disappeared" again. bp On 5/6/2021 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I wouldn’t want to store any credit cards. People can click on the link on the invoice and manually enter it each month. From: David Sovereen via AF Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 10:56 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: David Sovereen Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing Platypus passes PCI compliance and stores credit card information in an encrypted form when configured to do so. If you have an old install where your credit card information was not encrypted by default, you can encrypt it by going to the Maintenance Menu and choosing Encryption Manager. David Sovereen Mercury Network Corporation 2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640 989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax Telephone | Internet | Hosting david.sover...@mercury.net www.mercury.net On May 6, 2021, at 11:50 AM, Cameron Crum < cc...@murcevilo.com > wrote: I'd be careful of Plat if you want PCI compliance. In the systems I've seen even within the last few months, they are still storing credit cards in plain text in the DB. On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:40 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Do I have to host Plat? From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 9:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing I think Platypus is still free up to a certain number of active customers. From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 8:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Intuit & Billing We have exhausted all of our appeals, the only thing they will tell us is that they don’t approve of our “products”. AKA internet service and that they are happy for us to be a QB customer... So, gonna get a stand alone billing system and just do a monthly journal entry to move over the revenue. Something cheap with the ability for the customer to pay with cards. Anything free out there that makes their money from the merchant percentage? I guess I don’t care if it is free, just the lowest overall cost to the company. Was platypus free? Used it for years at another company. I don’t need any management of my network just simple recurring billing. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.a
Re: [AFMUG] Windstream Porting / PIN
https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Also, your PUC is a great resource. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Louis Arsenault" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 7:17:23 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Windstream Porting / PIN Hey guys, Windstream is fighting us every step of the way with moving numbers from them. I currently have 2 Customers that Windstream is rejecting the port due to incorrect PIN. When the Customers call windstream and try to get the pin.. Windstream states there is no PIN for their acct. I am not able to find anything on their landline phone bill that resembles a PIN. Anyone had any experience with figuring out the magic passphrase the customers can tell Windstream to get the PIN or know of another way to get the number to port. Thanks, -Louis -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Sonar discussions
https://www.facebook.com/groups/921593151304842 https://sonar.community/ There's also a Sonar channel in The Brother's WISP Slack. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Brough Turner" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 8:04:22 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar discussions Is there anywhere specific (email reflectors, forums, facebook groups, ...) where Sonar is being discussed? Thanks, Brough Brough Turner netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband! Mobile: 617-285-0433 Skype: brough netBlazr Inc. | Twitter | LinkedIn | Facebook -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 5G Site?
Well, they're small cell. If they're 5G or not you wouldn't really know without a spectrum analyzer or closer analysis of the installed equipment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 2:53:59 PM Subject: [AFMUG] 5G Site? Spotted these downtown yesterday evening. .they are going up every few blocks on streets like street lamps...some have different type antennas but all have three, so i am assuming 120° sectored... Lots of fiber interconnect between them.. What's your thoughts Hobson? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Circuit IDs
The symantics are irrelevant. A unique identifier for the path (copper pair, fiber drop, etc.) over which you deliver services. Here's how Frontier computes theirs. Well, kinda: https://wholesale.frontier.com/-/media/WholesaleDocs/circuit-id-format-requirements.ashx - Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "af" , "afmug" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 3:21:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit IDs Residential customers do not get circuits... they get connections. Commercial customers get circuits with IDs. On 4/30/21 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Doesn't really matter what type of customer it is. > > - > Mike Hammett > [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] > [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ > https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] > [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] > [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ > https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] > [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] > [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt Hoppes" > To: "af" , "Adam Moffett" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:31:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit IDs > > Are we talking circuits or residential customer accounts? > > On 4/30/21 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> That, plus I feel like if a new customer moves into the same house that >> the circuit number should be the same. Or would you go out and relabel >> splices? Or would you re-use the account number for the new customer? >> >> I feel like an ideal world would have customers having one ID number and >> the physical infrastructure would have another. Then you'd hyphenate >> them. Something like [cust#]-[line#]-[fiber#]. Then it tells you where >> it is and who it's for. >> >> >> >> On 4/30/2021 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> What if one customer has more than one circuit? >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] >>> [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ >>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ >>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] >>> [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] >>> [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ >>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] >>> [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] >>> [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ >>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Gino A. Villarini" >>> To: "af" >>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:59:53 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Circuit IDs >>> >>> Billing account # >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gino Villarini >>> Founder/President >>> @gvillarini >>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>> [ http://www.aeronetpr.com/ ] [ >>> https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet ] [ >>> https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/ ] [ >>> https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en ] [ >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp ] [ >>> https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor >>> ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA ] >>> [ http://www.aeronetpr.com/ | www.aeronetpr.com ] | Metro Office Park >>> #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF on b
