Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mike Hammett]

The plan was fine before the FCC decided to pull the rug out on census-tract 
licenses. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mitch Koep"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:40:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105 


This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go to 
auction (EBS included) 

but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
Some help 
IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small" wisp's 

Mitch Koep 



On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: 


Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids? 

On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
are eligible for 

Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
amount at the beginning to participate.

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

You can ignore the CMA bidding, that is not happening as it was removed in the 
final order.

Bidding units:

39. We further propose that the amount of the upfront payment submitted by a 
bidder would determine its initial bidding eligibility in bidding units, which 
are a measure of bidder eligibility and bidding activity. We propose to assign 
each block in a given county a specific number of bidding units, equal to one 
bidding unit per $10 of the upfront payment listed in Attachment A. The number 
of bidding units for one block in a given county is fixed, since it is based on 
the MHz-pops in the block, and does not change during the auction as prices 
change. To the extent that bidders wish to bid on multiple generic blocks 
simultaneously, whether within the same county or in different counties, they 
would need to ensure that their upfront payment provides enough eligibility to 
cover multiple blocks.



Basically a qualifying step based on your initial deposit.



Mark 


> On Feb 23, 2020, at 9:22 PM, David Williamson 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, what is "Proposed CMA Bidding" column?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Williamson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Williamson
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:17 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
> 
> Thanks.  I am looking at the spreadsheet now.  What is "Bidding Units"?
> 
> David Williamson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:08 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
> 
> On 2/23/20 5:51 PM, David Williamson wrote:
>> How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for
> the region we are in.
>> 
> 
> 
> https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[David Williamson]

Also, what is "Proposed CMA Bidding" column?

Thanks,

David Williamson

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Williamson
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Thanks.  I am looking at the spreadsheet now.  What is "Bidding Units"?

David Williamson

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Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

On 2/23/20 5:51 PM, David Williamson wrote:
> How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for
the region we are in.
> 


https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[David Williamson]

How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for the 
region we are in.

Regards,


David Williamson
Owner
Custom Computers
Winchester Wireless
2979 Valley Avenue
Winchester, VA 22601-2631

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www.winchesterwireless.com 
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:30 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

I'm unfortunate enough to have built a number of my larger 3.65 sites right 
next to county lines.  One of them on the edge of our service territory and 
just over the county line (literally on County Line Rd.) into a fairly populous 
county that we could never afford to bid on.

I think this situation is really bad as far as licenses.  GAA is fine because 
it can cross county lines and is only constrained by aggregate interference 
into PAL protection areas (I'm using CBRS terminology, not sure it applies in 
this case or not).  But I'm a bit fuzzy on PALs and grants from the SAS that 
could cross a county line.  I'm pretty sure you can't do it if you don't have a 
PAL in both counties, and I'm not sure you can do it even then.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding 
>> credits we are eligible for
> 
> 
> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

From the inside…. very little of what WISPA does has much consideration given 
to the size of the WISP.   If anything it’s biased toward the smaller 
providers, not the large providers.There are some areas where WISPA does 
have working groups that pay attention to issues that affect larger WISP’s 
working with programs like CAF, RDOF, etc. to try to make sure that those 
programs are available to smaller WISPS (and in the grand scheme of things even 
the largest WISP’s are small).There are also a lot of things that happen in 
these federal programs that will eventually trickle down to all providers.   We 
are already seeing this in proposals for the updated reporting requirements 
(the replacement for the current 477 reporting) and testing requirements that 
we will all likely eventually be stuck with.   Not fighting those battles now 
when they only effect CAF/RDOF/etc. will only hurt us all later.

As far as auction versus non-auction - there was ZERO chance that any of this 
spectrum was going to be made available without charge.  None, Zero, Zilch.  
It’s wasn’t going to happen.  Full Stop.It wasn’t happening under the 
democratic administration and commission, and it sure as hell isn’t going to 
happen under a republican administration.   Maybe Bernie will help you out.  Or 
he will decide we need to nationalize all these pesky little Internet companies.

Mark


> On Feb 23, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
> 
> Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership 
> price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying 
> $325 with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a 
> year. Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number 
> of votes as the smaller ones, right?  Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If 
> it’s the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees?
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go 
>> to auction (EBS included)
>> 
>> but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
>> Some help
>> 
>> IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's 
>> 
>> Mitch Koep
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:
>>> Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz 
>>> channels it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You 
>>> would have to put down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small 
>>> business and rural credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we 
>>> will lower it 25%.. Now we are at $132k and 66k to start.
>>> 
>>> Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month 
>>> over the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a 
>>> month, but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for 
>>> it all over 10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a 
>>> month for the next 10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, 
>>> as I would have to renew my lease. 
>>> 
>>> It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  
>>> 40 MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, 
>>> and at 1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than 
>>> that for bandwidth so.  
>>> 
>>> Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
>>> proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back 
>>> on.  There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put 
>>> down to try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get 
>>> a loan for that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed 
>>> channels.Not stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it 
>>> like that...  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dennis Burgess, MikroTik Certified Trainer
>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
>>> Certified 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
>   But I'm a bit fuzzy on PALs and grants from the SAS that could cross a 
> county line.  I'm pretty sure you can't do it if you don't have a PAL in both 
> counties, and I'm not sure you can do it even then.
> 

As I understand it the PAL crossing a county line would be restricted in power 
output at the border to the -80dB measured at 1.5m with a unity gain antenna - 
so really still pretty loud.   If no PAL on that channel in the neighboring 
county exists I don’t think there is a limit (other than the basic output power 
limits of the base station).   If you own the neighboring PAL or can work out 
an agreement with the owner of the adjacent PAL you can set the border power 
limit to whatever you agree to.

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Ken Hohhof]

WISPA lobbied hard and long for census tract sized PALs.  In the end they were 
lucky to fend off the mobile guys who wanted PEAs.  None of us could have 
afforded PEAs.  Few of us can afford counties.

 

But I don’t think WISPA was choosing between small and large WISPs.  Almost 
zero WISPs are large enough to have their interests align with the big mobile 
guys.

 

I’m not sure what is the alternative you wanted WISPA to pursue.  Did you want 
them to lobby for free rather than auctions?  That would have been a waste of 
time, not going to happen.  Even less likely in cases where incumbents have to 
be paid to vacate the spectrum.

 

Or did you want them to spend their limited resources on other issues than 
spectrum licensing?  It’s certainly expensive in money and manpower trying to 
influence government policy, and it’s kind of like the guy with the broom in 
curling, you can only hope for small changes in direction.  If that’s your 
point, I’m not sure if you’re right or wrong, but it’s a valid thing to ask.

 

Maybe after some of these spectrum auctions, WISPA should do an audit of how 
many WISPs actually acquire licenses, or what percentage of licenses go to 
WISPs, or something like that.  If at the end of the day it was just 1 or 2 
licenses and all the rest went to Big Mobile (or Big Silicon Valley or 
something), perhaps it would make sense to just admit defeat and focus on 
something else.

 

But if some WISPs acquire PALs (even though it probably won’t be me or you), 
then maybe it was worthwhile WISPA fighting against PEAs.  Without that, 
instead of a disappointing outcome, it would have been a devastating outcome.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

 

Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership 
price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying $325 
with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a year. 
Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number of 
votes as the smaller ones, right?  Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If it’s 
the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees?

 





On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep mailto:af...@abwisp.com> > wrote:

 

This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go to 
auction (EBS included)

but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
Some help

IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's 

Mitch Koep

  

On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.
 
Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 
 
It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  
 
Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  
 
 
 
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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
 
Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with t

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership 
price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying $325 
with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a year. 
Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number of 
votes as the smaller ones, right?  Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If it’s 
the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees?


> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go 
> to auction (EBS included)
> 
> but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
> Some help
> 
> IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's 
> 
> Mitch Koep
> 
>   
> 
> On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:
>> Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz 
>> channels it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would 
>> have to put down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business 
>> and rural credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower 
>> it 25%.. Now we are at $132k and 66k to start.
>> 
>> Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month 
>> over the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a 
>> month, but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for 
>> it all over 10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a 
>> month for the next 10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as 
>> I would have to renew my lease. 
>> 
>> It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  
>> 40 MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, 
>> and at 1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than 
>> that for bandwidth so.  
>> 
>> Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
>> proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back 
>> on.  There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put 
>> down to try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get 
>> a loan for that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed 
>> channels.Not stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it 
>> like that...  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis Burgess, MikroTik Certified Trainer
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
>> Certified 
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- MikroTik & WISP Support Services 
>> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
>> 
>> Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets 
>> who would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a 
>> bank, assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 
>> 
>> So their option would be to hope no one bids?
>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits 
>>>> we are eligible for
>>> 
>>> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
>>> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mitch Koep]

This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum 
to go to auction (EBS included)


but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will 
help Some help


IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's

Mitch Koep


On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease.

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 1600 a 
month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for bandwidth so.

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...



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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all.

So their option would be to hope no one bids?


On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
are eligible for


Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/23/20 9:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease.



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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Ken Hohhof]

I'm unfortunate enough to have built a number of my larger 3.65 sites right 
next to county lines.  One of them on the edge of our service territory and 
just over the county line (literally on County Line Rd.) into a fairly populous 
county that we could never afford to bid on.

I think this situation is really bad as far as licenses.  GAA is fine because 
it can cross county lines and is only constrained by aggregate interference 
into PAL protection areas (I'm using CBRS terminology, not sure it applies in 
this case or not).  But I'm a bit fuzzy on PALs and grants from the SAS that 
could cross a county line.  I'm pretty sure you can't do it if you don't have a 
PAL in both counties, and I'm not sure you can do it even then.


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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding 
>> credits we are eligible for
> 
> 
> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Ken Hohhof]

Wouldn’t it be nice if all these billionaires and big companies launching 
fleets of LEO satellites would buy up some of these licenses and then sublease 
or disaggregate them or whatever the term is?

 

It wouldn’t work to buy them and let the spectrum stay GAA (like buying doves 
to set them free), because then the FCC would refuse to renew the licenses in 
10 years.  Can’t let them be a public resource, must generate profits, in order 
to maximize value of licenses and revenue from auctions.

 

I have no idea if acquiring county/PEA/CMA wide licenses and then breaking them 
up and leasing them out to small companies would be profitable.  It would 
probably piss off the big cellcos though which would be nice.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

 

I still think its going to venture capitalists looking for long term recoveries

 

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 1:30 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
>> are eligible for
> 
> 
> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Steve Jones]

I still think its going to venture capitalists looking for long term
recoveries


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 1:30 PM Dev  wrote:

> Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets
> who would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a
> bank, assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all.
>
> So their option would be to hope no one bids?
>
> > On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> >
> > On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding
> credits we are eligible for
> >
> >
> > Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the
> full amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Dev]

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
>> are eligible for
> 
> 
> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/21/20 10:33 AM, Jon Langeler wrote:

How does a bidding credit work? What percent does is save?



It's applied to a winning bid (not upfront) so during the bidding 
process your $1 is the same as AT's $1.


The rules for auction 105 aren't out yet but it should be like before 
there with a %15 and 25% small business credit, and a rural credit. Take 
a look at auction 102 for an example: 
https://www.fcc.gov/auction/102/factsheet


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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding 
credits we are eligible for



Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Jon Langeler]

How does a bidding credit work? What percent does is save?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Feb 21, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
> are eligible for
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:27 AM dave  wrote:
>> +1 TY WISPA :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/20/20 6:10 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>> Correct - the CMA bidding portion was rejected based on WISPA advocacy.  
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
> On Feb 20, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?
 Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the license 
 size from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky single-county 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Steve Jones]

look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits
we are eligible for

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:27 AM dave  wrote:

> +1 TY WISPA :)
>
>
> On 2/20/20 6:10 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> Correct - the CMA bidding portion was rejected based on WISPA advocacy.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Seth Mattinen  
>  wrote:
>
> On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?
>
> Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the license 
> size from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky single-county 
> bidders), but I don't think that proposal made the final cut.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[dave]

+1 TY WISPA :)


On 2/20/20 6:10 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Correct - the CMA bidding portion was rejected based on WISPA advocacy.

Mark


On Feb 20, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?


Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the license size 
from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky single-county bidders), but 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

Correct - the CMA bidding portion was rejected based on WISPA advocacy.  

Mark

> On Feb 20, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?
> 
> 
> Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the license 
> size from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky single-county 
> bidders), but I don't think that proposal made the final cut.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/20/20 11:35 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?



Cellular market area, it would have allowed a bidder to change the 
license size from county up to CMA (and block all of those pesky 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Jason McKemie]

What is "Proposed CMA Bidding"?

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 12:56 PM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my
> region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the
> minimum opening bid.
>
>
>
> State/
> Territory
>
> County
>
> FIPS
> Code
>
> Proposed
> CMA
> Bidding
>
> CMA
>
> *
>
> Population
> (2010)
>
> Subject to Small Market Cap
>
> Per Block
>
> Bidding
> Units
>
> Upfront
> Payment
>
> Minimum
> Opening Bid
>
> CA
>
> Alameda
>
> 06001
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,510,271
>
> No
>
> 15,100
>
> $151,000
>
> $302,000
>
> CA
>
> Contra Costa
>
> 06013
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,049,025
>
> No
>
> 10,500
>
> $105,000
>
> $210,000
>
> CA
>
> San Francisco
>
> 06075
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 805,235
>
> No
>
> 8,100
>
> $81,000
>
> $161,000
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/20/20 10:55 AM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my 
region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the 
minimum opening bid.


And that's only for one 10MHz channel, which IMO is not sufficient for 
what most consumers want with regards to speed these days.


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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/20/20 10:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Where did you find that chart?



https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Sean Heskett]

That’s per 10mhz block so if you want all 40mhz available to one entity
you’ll need to times by 4.

That is the Bay Area tho so you’ve got the pop density to fund it if you do
a large buildout.

This is a good example of why WISPA was advocating for census tracts
instead of whole counties.  I’d hate to see what LA, Orange or San Diego
counties are going for.  They are all large in size and a lot of population.

Sean


On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:56 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my
> region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the
> minimum opening bid.
>
>
>
> State/
> Territory
>
> County
>
> FIPS
> Code
>
> Proposed
> CMA
> Bidding
>
> CMA
>
> *
>
> Population
> (2010)
>
> Subject to Small Market Cap
>
> Per Block
>
> Bidding
> Units
>
> Upfront
> Payment
>
> Minimum
> Opening Bid
>
> CA
>
> Alameda
>
> 06001
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,510,271
>
> No
>
> 15,100
>
> $151,000
>
> $302,000
>
> CA
>
> Contra Costa
>
> 06013
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,049,025
>
> No
>
> 10,500
>
> $105,000
>
> $210,000
>
> CA
>
> San Francisco
>
> 06075
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 805,235
>
> No
>
> 8,100
>
> $81,000
>
> $161,000
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[TJ Trout]

ditto, would like to see our counties opening bid

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Where did you find that chart?
> On 2/20/2020 1:55 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>
> I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my
> region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the
> minimum opening bid.
>
>
>
> State/
> Territory
>
> County
>
> FIPS
> Code
>
> Proposed
> CMA
> Bidding
>
> CMA
>
> *
>
> Population
> (2010)
>
> Subject to Small Market Cap
>
> Per Block
>
> Bidding
> Units
>
> Upfront
> Payment
>
> Minimum
> Opening Bid
>
> CA
>
> Alameda
>
> 06001
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,510,271
>
> No
>
> 15,100
>
> $151,000
>
> $302,000
>
> CA
>
> Contra Costa
>
> 06013
>
> Yes
>
> 7
>
>
>
> 1,049,025
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> No
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> 10,500
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> $105,000
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> $210,000
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> CA
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> San Francisco
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> 06075
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> Yes
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> 7
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> 805,235
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> No
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> 8,100
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> $81,000
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> $161,000
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> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Adam Moffett]

Where did you find that chart?

On 2/20/2020 1:55 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my 
region… Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on 
the minimum opening bid.


State/
Territory



County



FIPS
Code



Proposed
CMA
Bidding



CMA



*



Population
(2010)



Subject to Small Market Cap



Per Block

Bidding
Units



Upfront
Payment



Minimum
Opening Bid

CA



Alameda



06001



Yes



7





1,510,271



No



15,100



$151,000



$302,000

CA



Contra Costa



06013



Yes



7





1,049,025



No



10,500



$105,000



$210,000

CA



San Francisco



06075



Yes



7





805,235



No



8,100



$81,000



$161,000




















*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 


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[AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Peter Kranz via AF]

I was looking at the cost of bidding on a couple 3.5Ghz PALs for my region.
Looks like I need almost $700k to even try to play based on the minimum
opening bid. 

 


State/
Territory

County

FIPS
Code

Proposed 
CMA 
Bidding

CMA

*

Population
(2010)

Subject to Small Market Cap

Per Block


Bidding
Units

Upfront
Payment

Minimum 
Opening Bid


CA

Alameda

06001

Yes

7

 

1,510,271

No

15,100

$151,000

$302,000


CA

Contra Costa

06013

Yes

7

 

1,049,025

No

10,500

$105,000

$210,000


CA

San Francisco

06075

Yes

7

 

805,235

No

8,100

$81,000

$161,000




 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

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