Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I was developing some beacons based on the flushable sewer sondes. My plan was
to make them to be able to shot through a duct with air and if they did not
come out, you could find them. One of many projects around here half done...
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Circling back to this
The D18 33kHz sonde worked great with the vSCAN. Even down to 15' which was
the deepest duct we needed to trace. What surprised me was the 512 sewer
sondes. They worked amazingly well. Not quite as accurate as the 33kHz sonde
but no issue at all tracking them. They are also small enough that you could
easily repackage them into a tube to screw on the end of a rodder.
https://prototek.net/product/ftp-8-512-hz-flushable-transmitter/
We had some issues with getting our vScan delivered on time and ended up
renting a Ridgid Scout Sonde locator to start with. If all I was doing was
locating Sondes, I'd use that all day long. vScan works pretty well too but
for tracking Sondes the scout is nice because you can pretty much aim it
sideways when tracking through brush or through a duct that sweeps up into a
building.
On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 10:54 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Very anxious to hear the results.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I ordered a smaller metrotech D18 33kHz sonde and a vSCAN locator which says
it supports 512 sondes (- Sondes: 32.768kHz, 512Hz and 640Hz Sonde modes).
I'll update with how it works with the D18 and the sewer sondes. If we end up
buying a longer sonde I'll do a side by side with them.
Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'm sure I will wish I bought a RD7200
at some point but hopefully this will get the job done.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable
beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have
a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" Leica
one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25”
conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a
HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are also
sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" (23mm x
456mm).
Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35
flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty
large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or larger.
They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am
going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder.
https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33
Steve,
I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the
regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which
is what our existing 150R locator says it supports.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones
wrote:
theres septic sondes you can use for rodding
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the
end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads.
Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most boring uses a sonde transmitter.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Circling back to this The D18 33kHz sonde worked great with the vSCAN. Even down to 15' which was the deepest duct we needed to trace. What surprised me was the 512 sewer sondes. They worked amazingly well. Not quite as accurate as the 33kHz sonde but no issue at all tracking them. They are also small enough that you could easily repackage them into a tube to screw on the end of a rodder. https://prototek.net/product/ftp-8-512-hz-flushable-transmitter/ We had some issues with getting our vScan delivered on time and ended up renting a Ridgid Scout Sonde locator to start with. If all I was doing was locating Sondes, I'd use that all day long. vScan works pretty well too but for tracking Sondes the scout is nice because you can pretty much aim it sideways when tracking through brush or through a duct that sweeps up into a building. On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 10:54 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Very anxious to hear the results. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2022 9:05 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > I ordered a smaller metrotech D18 33kHz sonde and a vSCAN locator which > says it supports 512 sondes (*- Sondes: 32.768kHz, 512Hz and 640Hz Sonde > modes). *I'll update with how it works with the D18 and the sewer > sondes. If we end up buying a longer sonde I'll do a side by side with > them. > > Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'm sure I will wish I bought a > RD7200 at some point but hopefully this will get the job done. > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable >> beacon. >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We >> have a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a >> 12" Leica one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive. >> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” >>> conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance. >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a >>> HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are >>> also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" >>> (23mm x 456mm). >>> >>> Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 >>> flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty >>>> large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or >>>> larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am >>>> going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. >>>> https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the >>>> regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz >>>> which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the >>>>>> end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>>>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Very anxious to hear the results.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I ordered a smaller metrotech D18 33kHz sonde and a vSCAN locator which says it
supports 512 sondes (- Sondes: 32.768kHz, 512Hz and 640Hz Sonde modes). I'll
update with how it works with the D18 and the sewer sondes. If we end up
buying a longer sonde I'll do a side by side with them.
Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'm sure I will wish I bought a RD7200 at
some point but hopefully this will get the job done.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have a
bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" Leica one
or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” conduit.
I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a
HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are also
sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" (23mm x
456mm).
Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 flushable
sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty
large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or larger.
They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am
going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder.
https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33
Steve,
I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the
regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which
is what our existing 150R locator says it supports.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones
wrote:
theres septic sondes you can use for rodding
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the
end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads.
Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most boring uses a sonde transmitter.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our
bore attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground
cable locators.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl,
Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000
retail. As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the
drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says
it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities).
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I ordered a smaller metrotech D18 33kHz sonde and a vSCAN locator which says it supports 512 sondes (*- Sondes: 32.768kHz, 512Hz and 640Hz Sonde modes). *I'll update with how it works with the D18 and the sewer sondes. If we end up buying a longer sonde I'll do a side by side with them. Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'm sure I will wish I bought a RD7200 at some point but hopefully this will get the job done. On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 5:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable > beacon. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have > a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" > Leica one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive. > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” >> conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance. >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a >> HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are >> also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" >> (23mm x 456mm). >> >> Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 >> flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? >> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty >>> large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or >>> larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am >>> going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. >>> https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 >>> >>> Steve, >>> I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the >>> regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz >>> which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> >>>> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson < >>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end >>>>> of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>>>> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>> >>>>>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>>>>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>>>>> locators. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>> >>&
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
You might need a locator that matches the frequency of the flushable beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have a
bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" Leica one
or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive.
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” conduit.
I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a HDD
sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are also
sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" (23mm x
456mm).
Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 flushable
sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty
large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or larger.
They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am going
to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder.
https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33
Steve,
I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the
regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which
is what our existing 150R locator says it supports.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones
wrote:
theres septic sondes you can use for rodding
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end
of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming
I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most boring uses a sonde transmitter.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore
attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground
cable locators.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl,
Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail.
As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill
sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x
better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities).
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck. I ordered a few flushables for shits and giggles. We have a bunch of 4" ducts we need to trace ASAP. I'll look at ordering a 12" Leica one or the 17" D23 if it isn't too expensive. On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 4:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” > conduit. I am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a > HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are > also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" > (23mm x 456mm). > > Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 > flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty >> large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or >> larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am >> going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. >> https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 >> >> Steve, >> I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the >> regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz >> which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson < >>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end >>>> of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>>> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>>>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>>>> locators. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>> >>>>>> Carl, >>>>>> >>>>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. >>>>>> As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the >>>>>> drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech >>>>>> says >>>>>> it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other >>>>>> utilities). >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQ
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The flushable beacons I have played with are pretty wide for 1.25” conduit. I
am sure the longer sondes will transmit a greater distance.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a HDD
sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are also
sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" (23mm x
456mm).
Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 flushable
sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod?
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty large.
Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or larger. They also
will not take corners like a shorter beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am going
to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder.
https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33
Steve,
I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the
regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which
is what our existing 150R locator says it supports.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones wrote:
theres septic sondes you can use for rodding
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of
my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming I
source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most boring uses a sonde transmitter.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore
attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable
locators.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl,
Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail.
As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill
sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x
better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities).
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck,
That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make
a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current
flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield.
Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground
rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the
locator works off of. If you have trace current then
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The leica duct sonde 33 (12") is $440. It obviously isn't the same as a HDD sonde but I wonder if the longer antenna coil would help. There are also sondes like the Metrotech D23 which is a flexible sonde: 0.9" x 17.3" (23mm x 456mm). Am I flushing money down the toilet? Should I just buy a few $35 flushable sondes and tie them to the end of my duct rod? On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty > large. Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or > larger. They also will not take corners like a shorter beacon. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am > going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. > https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 > > Steve, > I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the > regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz > which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >> >>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end >>> of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>>> locators. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> Carl, >>>>> >>>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. >>>>> As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the >>>>> drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech >>>>> says >>>>> it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other >>>>> utilities). >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Anim
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Those systems start at $12K on up for new. And the sondes are pretty large.
Yes they would work better if you are rodding 1.25” duct or larger. They also
will not take corners like a shorter beacon.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am going to
need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder.
https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33
Steve,
I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the regular
ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which is what
our existing 150R locator says it supports.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones wrote:
theres septic sondes you can use for rodding
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of
my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming I
source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Most boring uses a sonde transmitter.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore
attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable
locators.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl,
Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As
to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill
sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x
better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities).
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck,
That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a
decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current
flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield.
Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground
rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the
locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a
good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones
will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth
is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the
depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a
null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to
the side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null
is the depth.
The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just
means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am
generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will
do that distance.
Some of them will also passively locate
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Theyre probably made with commercial and not industrial components since theyre expected to be lost in the septic tank On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 9:25 AM Carl Peterson wrote: > Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am > going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. > https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 > > Steve, > I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the > regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz > which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> theres septic sondes you can use for rodding >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >> >>> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end >>> of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >>> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>>> locators. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> Carl, >>>>> >>>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. >>>>> As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the >>>>> drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech >>>>> says >>>>> it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other >>>>> utilities). >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, Do you think a 12" duct sonde might work better? I am going to need to try to find an adapter to connect it to my rodder. https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/duct-sonde-33 Steve, I've seen the flushable sondes and wondered why they cost $35 when the regular ones cost $400 to 1K+. Can't seem to find them in 30kHz or 640hz which is what our existing 150R locator says it supports. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:00 PM Steve Jones wrote: > theres septic sondes you can use for rodding > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of >> my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. >> Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >>> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>>> locators. >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> Carl, >>>> >>>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >>>> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >>>> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >>>> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>>> >>>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing >>>>>>> on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. >>>>>>> Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a >>>>>>> ground >>>>>>> rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will >>>>>>> do a >>>>>>> good j
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Not the SPX25. You're thinking of an HDD. This is what I'm working with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hteV8Xthxq4&ab_channel=Vermeer On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:32 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore > attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >> locators. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Carl, >> >> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >> >>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>> >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>> >>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on >>>>> a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >>>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the >>>>> locator >>>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >>>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >>>>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>>>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>>>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>> >>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>>>> you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >>>>> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >>>>> will do that distance. >>>>> >>>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >>>>> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>>>> >>>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to s
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theres septic sondes you can use for rodding On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:55 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of > my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. > Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>> locators. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Carl, >>> >>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >>> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >>> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >>> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>> >>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on >>>>>> a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. >>>>>> Ground >>>>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the >>>>>> locator >>>>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap >>>>>> ones >>>>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find >>>>>> depth >>>>>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>>>>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>>>>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>>> >>>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>>>>
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I tried the Leica. Lousy range. It might do 10’ deep but you have to be very close to pick up the signal. Not like you start picking it up 100’ away from the beacon. I have tried several brands of beacons and they all have the same problem. HDD drill sondes work so much better because they have a much larger transmitting coil, physically. Beacons have this tiny coil that is maybe the diameter of a sharpie and perhaps 1cm long. A HDD sond has a coil that is maybe 1” in diameter and 6-8” long. More powerful transmitters too. I was building beacons for a time but did not find any improvements. The cheapest beacons are the ones that get flushed down a toilet. I took that circuit and made it small enough to fit into a duct. One of many projects left incomplete. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 4:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Last question... (tonight)... How close does the Sonde have to be to what the receiver is? I have an existing Ditch Witch 150R receiver which says it works with 30kHz sondes. I am thinking about buying the Metrotech vScan which says it works with 32.768kHz sondes. Would those most likely work with the Lecia Mini Sonde 33 which is 33kHz? https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/mini-sonde-33 On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:53 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable locators. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Carl, Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson wrote: How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck, That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to t
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Last question... (tonight)... How close does the Sonde have to be to what the receiver is? I have an existing Ditch Witch 150R receiver which says it works with 30kHz sondes. I am thinking about buying the Metrotech vScan which says it works with 32.768kHz sondes. Would those most likely work with the Lecia Mini Sonde 33 which is 33kHz? https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/buy/accessories/mini-sonde-33 On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:53 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of > my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. > Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore >> attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >>> locators. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Luthman >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Carl, >>> >>> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >>> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >>> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >>> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson < >>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>>> >>>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on >>>>>> a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. >>>>>> Ground >>>>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the >>>>>> locator >>>>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap >>>>>> ones >>>>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find >>>>>> depth >>>>>> by locating a
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter? On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore > attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >> locators. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Carl, >> >> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >> >>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>> >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>> >>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on >>>>> a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >>>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the >>>>> locator >>>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >>>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >>>>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>>>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>>>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>> >>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>>>> you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >>>>> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >>>>> will do that distance. >>>>> >>>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >>>>> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>>>> >
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I have always felt null was more precise. But that is all I had back in 1978
when I was first learning about cable locating.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Chuck et al,
Thoughts on Peak & Null vs Peak only locators like Cat & Genny
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 2:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable
locators.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl,
Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to
its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill sticks
100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x better
than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities).
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck,
That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a
decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a
conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the
far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That
flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works
off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The
type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it
as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more
difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was
a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null,
orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the
side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is
the depth.
The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means
you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am
generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will
do that distance.
Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them
locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I
have had limited success with that on high pressure gas.
Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track
but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling
between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so
you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is
located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if
you are lucky.
Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the
audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies.
But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are
better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is
a popular frequency.
Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up
the signal. Rycom is one of those.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid
SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Most boring uses a sonde transmitter.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore
attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable
locators.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl,
Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to
its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill sticks
100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x better
than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities).
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson
wrote:
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck,
That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a
decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a
conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the
far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That
flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works
off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The
type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it
as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more
difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was
a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null,
orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the
side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is
the depth.
The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means
you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am
generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will
do that distance.
Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them
locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I
have had limited success with that on high pressure gas.
Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track
but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling
between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so
you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is
located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if
you are lucky.
Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the
audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies.
But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are
better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is
a popular frequency.
Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up
the signal. Rycom is one of those.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid
SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or
is there a middle ground where they don't
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable > locators. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Carl, > > Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to > its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill > sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's > 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >> >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>> >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Thanks Chuck, >>> >>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a >>>> conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator >>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >>>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>>> >>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>>> you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >>>> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >>>> will do that distance. >>>> >>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >>>> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>>> >>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track >>>> but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling >>>> between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows >>>> so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic >>>> duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds >>>> of feed if you are lucky. >>>> >>>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >>>> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >>>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Chuck et al, Thoughts on Peak & Null vs Peak only locators like Cat & Genny On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 2:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable > locators. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Carl, > > Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to > its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill > sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's > 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >> >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>> >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Thanks Chuck, >>> >>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a >>>> conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator >>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >>>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>>> >>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>>> you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >>>> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >>>> will do that distance. >>>> >>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >>>> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>>> >>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track >>>> but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling >>>> between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows >>>> so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic >>>> duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds >>>> of feed if you are lucky. >>>> >>>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >>>> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >>>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as >>>> fa
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable locators. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Carl, Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson wrote: How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck, That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is the depth. The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will do that distance. Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the signal. Rycom is one of those. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Carl, Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >> >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Thanks Chuck, >> >> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a >>> conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator >>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>> >>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>> you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >>> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >>> will do that distance. >>> >>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >>> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>> >>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track >>> but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling >>> between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows >>> so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic >>> duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds >>> of feed if you are lucky. >>> >>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >>> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as >>> far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. >>> >>> Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up >>> the signal. Rycom is one of those. >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>> >>> Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid >>> SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad >>> or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. >>> >>> On Thu
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
If the line is grounded on both ends, yes it will work. But it needs the grounds to complete the circuit. The line grounded at both ends form a one turn transformer. The coils in the transmitter couple with this one turn loop to create the total circuit so you can locate it. Same with using the clamp, it also only works if both ends of the cable are grounded. Exact same principle, the clamp just couples better to the line than the coil inside the transmitter box. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 11:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units I recently found out my utiliguard has a mode where you just set the transmitter on the ground above a suspected line, the more inline the better and whether its inductance or what, it puts the signal onto the buries conductor and the wand can locate it...sometimes It has its limits because theres no discretion. I went out to locate a line that somebody cut once and my inductor clamp wasnt seated so it reverted to this mode. I ended up locating out a nearby power line instead of the target dead line On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 8:59 PM Chris Fabien wrote: We have had mixed luck with ebay locators, and there is a pretty good chance at them being stolen so getting repairs/service could be troublesome. We ended up buying two new RD7200 they were around $5k each. We also have a used 7100 and 8100 and have been through a few RD4000. I would just buy a new one personally. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:31 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > > Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: >> >> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find everything. >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson wrote: >>> >>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to be too high end. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>>> >>>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of >>>>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>>>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always >>>>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an >>>>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's >>>>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>>>> >>>>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >>>>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> PORT NETWORKS >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > PORT NETWORKS > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I recently found out my utiliguard has a mode where you just set the transmitter on the ground above a suspected line, the more inline the better and whether its inductance or what, it puts the signal onto the buries conductor and the wand can locate it...sometimes It has its limits because theres no discretion. I went out to locate a line that somebody cut once and my inductor clamp wasnt seated so it reverted to this mode. I ended up locating out a nearby power line instead of the target dead line On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 8:59 PM Chris Fabien wrote: > We have had mixed luck with ebay locators, and there is a pretty good > chance at them being stolen so getting repairs/service could be > troublesome. We ended up buying two new RD7200 they were around $5k > each. We also have a used 7100 and 8100 and have been through a few > RD4000. I would just buy a new one personally. > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:31 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > > > > Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid > SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad > or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> > >> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is > pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good > for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator > are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you > really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP > budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find > everything. > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson < > cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only > one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't > need to be too high end. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > I'm looking at getting one of these: > > > https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: > > > > I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch > of > > websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have > > recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're > always > > so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an > > Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, > that's > > cheaper than the AT-3500 > > > > Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or > > traceable fiber (Clamp) > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Carl Peterson > >>> > >>> PORT NETWORKS > >>> > >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > >>> > >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 > >>> > >>> (410) 637-3707 > >>> > >>> -- > >>> AF mailing list > >>> AF@af.afmug.com > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> AF@af.afmug.com > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carl Peterson > > > > PORT NETWORKS > > > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > > > (410) 637-3707 > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
We have had mixed luck with ebay locators, and there is a pretty good chance at them being stolen so getting repairs/service could be troublesome. We ended up buying two new RD7200 they were around $5k each. We also have a used 7100 and 8100 and have been through a few RD4000. I would just buy a new one personally. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:31 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > > Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? > Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is > there a middle ground where they don't work well. > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: >> >> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is >> pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good >> for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator >> are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you >> really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP >> budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find >> everything. >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >>> >>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I >>> really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to >>> be too high end. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie >>> wrote: I'm looking at getting one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: > > I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of > websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have > recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always > so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an > Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's > cheaper than the AT-3500 > > Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or > traceable fiber (Clamp) > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> PORT NETWORKS >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > PORT NETWORKS > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I don’t have any experience with the newer models but I am sure it will work find. But a $250 tracker will also work find for basic locates. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck, That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is the depth. The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will do that distance. Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the signal. Rycom is one of those. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find everything. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to be too high end. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Thanks Chuck, > > That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a > decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a >> conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator >> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >> center null to the side null is the depth. >> >> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you >> don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >> will do that distance. >> >> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >> >> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track >> but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling >> between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows >> so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic >> duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds >> of feed if you are lucky. >> >> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as >> far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. >> >> Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the >> signal. Rycom is one of those. >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid >> SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad >> or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is >>> pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good >>> for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator >>> are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you >>> really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP >>> budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find >>> everything. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAH8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck, That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is the depth. The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will do that distance. Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the signal. Rycom is one of those. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find everything. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to be too high end. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie wrote: I'm looking at getting one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I have had good luck buying used units off of Ebay. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thanks Chuck, That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is the depth. The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will do that distance. Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the signal. Rycom is one of those. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find everything. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to be too high end. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie wrote: I'm looking at getting one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.af
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thanks Chuck, That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a > conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground > the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. > That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator > works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good > job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones > will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable > depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could > trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth > by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then > finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the > center null to the side null is the depth. > > The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you > don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am > generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them > will do that distance. > > Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them > locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and > re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. > > Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track but > the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling > between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows > so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic > duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds > of feed if you are lucky. > > Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the > audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those > frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher > frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as > far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. > > Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the > signal. Rycom is one of those. > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? > Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is > there a middle ground where they don't work well. > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is >> pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good >> for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator >> are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you >> really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP >> budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find >> everything. >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >> >>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one >>> I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need >>> to be too high end. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>>> >>>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch >>>>> of >>>>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>>>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're >>>>> always >>>>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an >>>>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, >>>>> that's >>>>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>>>> >>>>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >>>>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>>>>
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the locator works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the center null to the side null is the depth. The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them will do that distance. Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current flows so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps hundreds of feed if you are lucky. Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up the signal. Rycom is one of those. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find everything. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to be too high end. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie wrote: I'm looking at getting one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or bad or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: > there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is > pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good > for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator > are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you > really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP > budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find > everything. > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I >> really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to >> be too high end. >> >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>> >>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: >>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. But if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find everything. On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I > really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to > be too high end. > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking at getting one of these: >> >> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: >> >>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of >>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always >>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an >>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's >>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>> >>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't need to be too high end. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm looking at getting one of these: > > https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: > >> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of >> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always >> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an >> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's >> cheaper than the AT-3500 >> >> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >> traceable fiber (Clamp) >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I'm looking at getting one of these: https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: > I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of > websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have > recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always > so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an > Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's > cheaper than the AT-3500 > > Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or > traceable fiber (Clamp) > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I love my Metrotech. I have a bunch of Rycoms too as that is the first unit I used when starting out 43 years ago but the Metrotech is very accurate on depth. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 7:57 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I have a utiliguard T5 I think. The more I read the manual, the more im finding it can do reliably I did have a guy use one of those blue ones when i was struggling to find a house power drop once, his pinpointed immediately. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:58 AM Nate Burke wrote: > I want that one just because it looks like you're tapping the ground with > a magic wand! > > On 12/2/2022 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > We like the ViperMag > https://utility-technologies.myshopify.com/products/copperhead-viper-mag-pipe-cable-locator > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:10 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> We had an RD-4000. About a year ago (or so) we got an RD-7100 or 7200. >> Our locator used to work for USIC. >> >> RD is kind of the standard. >> >> The local distributor is out of the Ottawa\LaSalle area and more than >> willing to make site visits, for both pre and post sale. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Nate Burke" >> *To: *"Animal Farm" < af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2022 8:57:59 AM >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of >> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always >> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an >> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's >> cheaper than the AT-3500 >> >> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >> traceable fiber (Clamp) >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I want that one just because it looks like you're tapping the ground with a magic wand! On 12/2/2022 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: We like the ViperMag https://utility-technologies.myshopify.com/products/copperhead-viper-mag-pipe-cable-locator On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:10 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: We had an RD-4000. About a year ago (or so) we got an RD-7100 or 7200. Our locator used to work for USIC. RD is kind of the standard. The local distributor is out of the Ottawa\LaSalle area and more than willing to make site visits, for both pre and post sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2022 8:57:59 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Underground Locating units I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
USIC Uses radiodetection gear, currently they are using the RD-8200. We just bought a couple RD-7200 new this year and they are very nice units. Fiber will always locate better if you can attach to the locate terminal on a splice case vs using the induction clamp FYI. On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:59 AM Nate Burke wrote: > > I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of > websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have > recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always > so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an > Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's > cheaper than the AT-3500 > > Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or > traceable fiber (Clamp) > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
We like the ViperMag https://utility-technologies.myshopify.com/products/copperhead-viper-mag-pipe-cable-locator On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 10:10 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > We had an RD-4000. About a year ago (or so) we got an RD-7100 or 7200. Our > locator used to work for USIC. > > RD is kind of the standard. > > The local distributor is out of the Ottawa\LaSalle area and more than > willing to make site visits, for both pre and post sale. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Nate Burke" > *To: *"Animal Farm" > *Sent: *Friday, December 2, 2022 8:57:59 AM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of > websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have > recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always > so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an > Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's > cheaper than the AT-3500 > > Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or > traceable fiber (Clamp) > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units
We had an RD-4000. About a year ago (or so) we got an RD-7100 or 7200. Our locator used to work for USIC. RD is kind of the standard. The local distributor is out of the Ottawa\LaSalle area and more than willing to make site visits, for both pre and post sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 8:57:59 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Underground Locating units
I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a bunch of websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're always so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have an Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, that's cheaper than the AT-3500 Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or traceable fiber (Clamp) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
