Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Galvanized nuts are cheaper than bronze.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 1:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically the same 
as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had any 
problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of those, and I've 
used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be a problem... But 
that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with something other than 
stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just automatically replacing the nuts 
any time I see stainless hardware, or greasing it, if I have to. 


On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing? 
  If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I dont 
like staff having to use angle grinders in field.

  On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird  wrote:

Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the 
nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One issue I 
had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, and about 10 
minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all the nuts were 
seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking bolts. Even the 
alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed everything was stainless 
before I started installing and should have just waited until I could get some 
non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless ones. But being the impatient idiot 
that I am, I decided I just wouldn't tighten them down too much, and then I'd 
pick up new hardware the next time I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to 
buy new mounts for both ends. Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? 
When I owned my WISP, we had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 
2000s). Seems like manufacturers should know better. 

Craig

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff 
I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a set of 
the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement, but I haven't 
tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short links. 

  I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like 
they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have 
significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than 1 
gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. 

  On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see 
how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on 
using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks 
with remote drivethroughs very nearby. 

I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had 
killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default 5ghz 
backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash 5ghz, noisy 
useless bastards that they are

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard  
wrote:

  The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The 
problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it 
really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed kind 
of buggy.


  On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really 
worked all that well.

The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up 
causing more issues than it solves IMO.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km



Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from 
the GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of 
some sort.  

We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they 
seem solid for short links with easy aim.  



On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

  I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow 
magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use 66-70ghz 
behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can do much longer 
distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade, but even on 
something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it works a lot better, 
since you have more signal to work with.



  On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peters

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Steve Jones]

ould have been
> >> pretty useless on longer links.
> >> The problem is that it has tiny
> >> antennas (8dbi, if I remember
> >> right)... so it really only
> >> worked for really short links
> >> anyway, and even then, it seemed
> >> kind of buggy.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM
> >> Sterling Jacobson
> >>  >> <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s wise of them to have
> >> dropped 5GHz because it never
> >> really worked all that well.
> >>
> >> The radios/antennas didn’t
> >> seem to be made for it and it
> >> ends up causing more issues
> >> than it solves IMO.
> >>
> >> *From:* AF
> >>  >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> >>
> >> *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
> >> *Sent:* Friday, February 19,
> >> 2021 2:50 PM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
> >> Users Group  >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
> >> Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
> >>
> >> Seems strange to me that they
> >> dropped the 5GHz backup radio
> >> from the GBE Plus and
> >> the AF60LR. All the other
> >> 60GHz radios have a 5GHz
> >> backup of some sort.
> >>
> >> We have installed a number of
> >> the little 60GHz GBE radios
> >> and they seem solid for short
> >> links with easy aim.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31
> >> PM Mathew Howard
> >>  >> <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think they claim their
> >> "Wave AI" feature is
> >> supposed to somehow
> >> magically make long links
> >> work better... but yeah,
> >> being able to use
> >> 66-70ghz behaves more
> >> like 70/80ghz than the
> >> lower 60ghz band, so you
> >> can do much longer
> >> distances... you still
> >> have the same problem
> >> with rain fade, but even
> >> on something like a 1
> >> mile link that will work
> >> at 64-65ghz, it works a
> >> lot better, since you
> >>   

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Adam Moffett]

    WISP, we had this issue way back in the
    SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
    manufacturers should know better.

    Craig

    On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard
    mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to
    align of any of the 60ghz stuff I've
    tried, and I think they're probably the
    most reliable too. I have a set of the
    new variant sitting here, and they look
    to be an improvement, but I haven't tried
    them yet. They would be my first choice
    for super short links.

    I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz,
    but unfortunately it looks like they only
    support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which
    means they won't have significantly
    different range than the Mikrotiks, but
    if you need more than 1 gig, they're
    likely the best thing out there at the
    moment.

    On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones
    mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    We ordered the newer variant of the
    wireless wire today, we will see how
    it goes. We are waiting to see how
    the cambium product does and plan on
    using the extensively for short short
    stuff, we have an odd number of banks
    with remote drivethroughs very nearby.

    I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those
    incidental ones we dealt with had
    killed one of our POPs off and on,
    the operator had the apparent default
    5ghz backup enabled and it was
    misaligned so it would sporadically
    trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards
    that they are

    On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew
    Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    The 5ghz backup would have been
    pretty useless on longer links.
    The problem is that it has tiny
    antennas (8dbi, if I remember
    right)... so it really only
    worked for really short links
    anyway, and even then, it seemed
    kind of buggy.

    On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM
    Sterling Jacobson
    mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

    It’s wise of them to have
    dropped 5GHz because it never
    really worked all that well.

    The radios/antennas didn’t
    seem to be made for it and it
    ends up causing more issues
    than it solves IMO.

    *From:* AF
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
    *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
    *Sent:* Friday, February 19,
    2021 2:50 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
    Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
    Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

    Seems strange to me that they
    dropped the 5GHz backup radio
    from the GBE Plus and
    the AF60LR. All the other
    60GHz radios have a 5GHz
    backup of some sort.

    We have installed a number of
    the little 60GHz GBE radios
    and they seem sol

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Jay Weekley]

ridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
manufacturers should know better.

Craig

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to
align of any of the 60ghz stuff I've
tried, and I think they're probably the
most reliable too. I have a set of the
new variant sitting here, and they look
to be an improvement, but I haven't tried
them yet. They would be my first choice
for super short links.

I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz,
but unfortunately it looks like they only
support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which
means they won't have significantly
different range than the Mikrotiks, but
if you need more than 1 gig, they're
likely the best thing out there at the
moment.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We ordered the newer variant of the
wireless wire today, we will see how
it goes. We are waiting to see how
the cambium product does and plan on
using the extensively for short short
stuff, we have an odd number of banks
with remote drivethroughs very nearby.

I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those
incidental ones we dealt with had
killed one of our POPs off and on,
the operator had the apparent default
5ghz backup enabled and it was
misaligned so it would sporadically
trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards
that they are

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew
Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The 5ghz backup would have been
pretty useless on longer links.
The problem is that it has tiny
antennas (8dbi, if I remember
right)... so it really only
worked for really short links
anyway, and even then, it seemed
kind of buggy.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM
Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

It’s wise of them to have
dropped 5GHz because it never
really worked all that well.

The radios/antennas didn’t
seem to be made for it and it
ends up causing more issues
than it solves IMO.

*From:* AF
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, February 19,
2021 2:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

Seems strange to me that they
dropped the 5GHz backup radio
from the GBE Plus and
the AF60LR. All the other
60GHz radios have a 5GHz
backup of some sort.

We have installed a number of
the little 60GHz GBE radios
and they seem sol

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Chuck McCown via AF]

;>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz 
>>>>>>>> stuff I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. 
>>>>>>>> I have a set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an 
>>>>>>>> improvement, but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first 
>>>>>>>> choice for super short links.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks 
>>>>>>>> like they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they 
>>>>>>>> won't have significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if 
>>>>>>>> you need more than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at 
>>>>>>>> the moment. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see 
>>>>>>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and 
>>>>>>>>> plan on using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd 
>>>>>>>>> number of banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had 
>>>>>>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent 
>>>>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would 
>>>>>>>>> sporadically trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The 
>>>>>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... 
>>>>>>>>>> so it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even 
>>>>>>>>>> then, it seemed kind of buggy.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really 
>>>>>>>>>>> worked all that well.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up 
>>>>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from 
>>>>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 
>>>>>>>>>>> 5GHz backup of some sort.  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they 
>>>>>>>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim.  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

per short links.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks
>>>>>>> like they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't
>>>>>>> have significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will
>>>>>>>> see how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and
>>>>>>>> plan on using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd 
>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>> of banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with
>>>>>>>> had killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent
>>>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would 
>>>>>>>> sporadically
>>>>>>>> trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links.
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember 
>>>>>>>>> right)... so
>>>>>>>>> it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it
>>>>>>>>> seemed kind of buggy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really
>>>>>>>>>> worked all that well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl
>>>>>>>>>> Peterson
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from
>>>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz 
>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>> of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and
>>>>>>>>>> they seem solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <
>>>>>>>>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>>>>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so 
>>>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with 
>>>>>>>>>> rain fade,
>>>>>>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz,

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Craig Baird via AF]

o be an
>>>>>>> improvement, but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice
>>>>>>> for super short links.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks
>>>>>>> like they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't
>>>>>>> have significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will
>>>>>>>> see how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and
>>>>>>>> plan on using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd 
>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>> of banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with
>>>>>>>> had killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent
>>>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would 
>>>>>>>> sporadically
>>>>>>>> trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links.
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember 
>>>>>>>>> right)... so
>>>>>>>>> it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it
>>>>>>>>> seemed kind of buggy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really
>>>>>>>>>> worked all that well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl
>>>>>>>>>> Peterson
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from
>>>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz 
>>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>>> of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and
>>>>>>>>>> they seem solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <
>>>>>>>>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>>>>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so 
>>>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with 
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Steve Jones]

gt;>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see
>>>>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and 
>>>>>>> plan on
>>>>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of 
>>>>>>> banks
>>>>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with
>>>>>>> had killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent
>>>>>>> default 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would 
>>>>>>> sporadically
>>>>>>> trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it 
>>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>>> kind of buggy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really
>>>>>>>>> worked all that well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from
>>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz 
>>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>>> of some sort.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they
>>>>>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <
>>>>>>>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>>>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you 
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain 
>>>>>>>>> fade,
>>>>>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, 
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>>>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.
>>>>>>>>> I would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

;>>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
>>>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
>>>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
>>>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it 
>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>> kind of buggy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really
>>>>>>>> worked all that well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from
>>>>>>>> the GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz 
>>>>>>>> backup
>>>>>>>> of some sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they
>>>>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>>>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>>>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you 
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain 
>>>>>>>> fade,
>>>>>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
>>>>>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I
>>>>>>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally.
>>>>>>>> Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because 
>>>>>>>> it can
>>>>>>>> use the higher channels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during
>>>>>>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, th

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Craig Baird]

I'm wondering if any of you have pointers for aligning these things. Do you
just use the little arrow LEDs on the radio? I tried doing that but never
could get them to all go out. When an arrow would light up, I'd move it
that direction (very slowly), but I'd invariably overshoot, and the
opposite arrow would come on, or in some cases, while adjusting
horizontally, I'd suddenly get a vertical arrow lighting up that wasn't
there before. I finally gave up and left it with a couple arrows on. It's
running at full capacity, but if the signal isn't maxed out, I worry what
will happen when there's a downpour. Any advice?

Craig


On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 1:52 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically the
> same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had
> any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of those,
> and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be a
> problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with
> something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just
> automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or
> greasing it, if I have to.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing?
>> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I
>> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the
>>> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One
>>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware,
>>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all
>>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking
>>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed
>>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just
>>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless
>>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't
>>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time
>>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends.
>>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we
>>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
>>> manufacturers should know better.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff
>>>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a
>>>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
>>>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short
>>>> links.
>>>>
>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like
>>>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
>>>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than
>>>> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see
>>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan 
>>>>> on
>>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of 
>>>>> banks
>>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
>>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
>>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
>>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
>>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it 
>>>>>> seemed
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

I'll have to look at them again, but I think the mounts are basically the
same as the solid mounts for the old wireless wire dishes. I haven't had
any problems with the alignment adjuster screws seizing on any of those,
and I've used quite a few of them, but the u-bolts can certainly be a
problem... But that's easily fixed by just replacing the nuts with
something other than stainless. I've gotten into the habit of just
automatically replacing the nuts any time I see stainless hardware, or
greasing it, if I have to.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 7:34 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing?
> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I
> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird  wrote:
>
>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the
>> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One
>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware,
>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all
>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking
>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed
>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just
>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless
>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't
>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time
>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends.
>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we
>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
>> manufacturers should know better.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff
>>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a
>>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
>>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short
>>> links.
>>>
>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like
>>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
>>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than
>>> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see
>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on
>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks
>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>
>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
>>>>> kind of buggy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked
>>>>>> all that well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Seems like max rad yagis all had that same problem,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2021, at 12:53 AM, Craig Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> Never used the 320, so I can't say. But these are bad. I was surprised at how 
> quickly and easily they seized up. No need to use an angle grinder though. A 
> couple cranks with a wrench (attempting to loosen them) and the bolts just 
> snapped--wasn't even hard.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 6:34 PM Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing?
>> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I 
>> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird  wrote:
>>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the 
>>> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One 
>>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware, 
>>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all 
>>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking 
>>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed 
>>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just 
>>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless 
>>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't 
>>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time 
>>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends. 
>>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we 
>>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like 
>>> manufacturers should know better.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff 
>>>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a 
>>>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement, 
>>>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super 
>>>> short links.
>>>> 
>>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like 
>>>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have 
>>>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more 
>>>> than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how 
>>>>> it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on 
>>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of 
>>>>> banks with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had 
>>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default 
>>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash 
>>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The 
>>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so 
>>>>>> it really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it 
>>>>>> seemed kind of buggy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked 
>>>>>>> all that well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up 
>>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Gro

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Craig Baird]

Never used the 320, so I can't say. But these are bad. I was surprised at
how quickly and easily they seized up. No need to use an angle
grinder though. A couple cranks with a wrench (attempting to loosen them)
and the bolts just snapped--wasn't even hard.

Craig


On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 6:34 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing?
> If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I
> dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field.
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird  wrote:
>
>> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the
>> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One
>> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware,
>> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all
>> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking
>> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed
>> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just
>> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless
>> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't
>> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time
>> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends.
>> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we
>> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
>> manufacturers should know better.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff
>>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a
>>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
>>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short
>>> links.
>>>
>>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like
>>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
>>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than
>>> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see
>>>> how it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on
>>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks
>>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>>
>>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
>>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
>>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
>>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
>>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
>>>>> kind of buggy.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked
>>>>>> all that well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the
>>>>>> GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> some sort.
>>>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Steve Jones]

Did you use 320? Are they as bad as those at seizing?
If it's like that I dont care how good the gear is I wont buy another. I
dont like staff having to use angle grinders in field.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 3:45 PM Craig Baird  wrote:

> Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the
> nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One
> issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware,
> and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all
> the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking
> bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed
> everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just
> waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless
> ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't
> tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time
> I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends.
> Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we
> had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
> manufacturers should know better.
>
> Craig
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff
>> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a
>> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
>> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short
>> links.
>>
>> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like
>> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
>> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than
>> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how
>>> it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on
>>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks
>>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>>
>>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
>>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
>>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
>>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
>>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
>>>> kind of buggy.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked
>>>>> all that well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the
>>>>> GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of
>>>>> some sort.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they
>>>>> seem solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
>>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain 
>>>>> fade,
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Last Mile Gear supplied silicon bronze nuts for their Cyclone
  radios.


bp

On 2/20/2021 1:44 PM, Craig Baird
  wrote:


  
  Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant,
you're talking about the nRay. I just picked up a pair of those
for a link of about 250 ft. One issue I had with them is that
the mount is all stainless steel hardware, and about 10 minutes
after slightly tightening everything up, I found all the nuts
were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking
bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I
noticed everything was stainless before I started installing and
should have just waited until I could get some non-stainless
nuts to replace the stainless ones. But being the impatient
idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't tighten them down too
much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time I came
back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both
ends. Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I
owned my WISP, we had this issue way back in the SmartBridge
days (early 2000s). Seems like manufacturers should know better.


Craig
  
  
  
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43
  PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align
of any of the 60ghz stuff I've tried, and I think they're
probably the most reliable too. I have a set of the new
variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice
for super short links.


I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but
  unfortunately it looks like they only support up to
  channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
  significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if
  you need more than 1 gig, they're likely the best thing
  out there at the moment. 
  
  
  
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07
  PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  We ordered the newer variant of the
wireless wire today, we will see how it goes. We are
waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on
using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an
odd number of banks with remote drivethroughs very
nearby.


I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those
  incidental ones we dealt with had killed one of our
  POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
  5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would
  sporadically trash 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that
  they are
  
  
  
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021,
  4:31 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  The 5ghz backup would have been pretty
useless on longer links. The problem is that it has
tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
really only worked for really short links anyway,
and even then, it seemed kind of buggy.
  
  
  
On Fri, Feb 19,
  2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
  wrote:


  

  It’s wise of them to have
dropped 5GHz because it never really worked
all that well.
  The radios/antennas
didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
causing more issues than it solves IMO.
   
   
  
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of 
  Carl Peterson
  Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021
  2:50 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group <af@af.afmug.com>
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire
      Dish @ 1km
  
   

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Craig Baird]

Guessing when you say the new Mikrotik variant, you're talking about the
nRay. I just picked up a pair of those for a link of about 250 ft. One
issue I had with them is that the mount is all stainless steel hardware,
and about 10 minutes after slightly tightening everything up, I found all
the nuts were seized and I could no longer loosen it without breaking
bolts. Even the alignment adjuster screws have this issue. I noticed
everything was stainless before I started installing and should have just
waited until I could get some non-stainless nuts to replace the stainless
ones. But being the impatient idiot that I am, I decided I just wouldn't
tighten them down too much, and then I'd pick up new hardware the next time
I came back. Now, I'm looking at having to buy new mounts for both ends.
Why do manufacturers use all stainless hardware? When I owned my WISP, we
had this issue way back in the SmartBridge days (early 2000s). Seems like
manufacturers should know better.

Craig

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 5:43 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff
> I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a
> set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
> but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short
> links.
>
> I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like
> they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
> significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than
> 1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how
>> it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on
>> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks
>> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>>
>> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
>> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
>> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
>> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
>>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
>>> kind of buggy.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked
>>>> all that well.
>>>>
>>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up
>>>> causing more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the
>>>> GBE Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of
>>>> some sort.
>>>>
>>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
>>>> solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
>>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
>>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
>>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson <
>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I
>>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
&

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

The Mikrotiks are by far the easiest to align of any of the 60ghz stuff
I've tried, and I think they're probably the most reliable too. I have a
set of the new variant sitting here, and they look to be an improvement,
but I haven't tried them yet. They would be my first choice for super short
links.

I had high hopes for the Cambium 60ghz, but unfortunately it looks like
they only support up to channel 4 (64.8ghz), which means they won't have
significantly different range than the Mikrotiks, but if you need more than
1 gig, they're likely the best thing out there at the moment.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 6:07 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how
> it goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on
> using the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks
> with remote drivethroughs very nearby.
>
> I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
> killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
> 5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
> 5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
>> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
>> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
>> kind of buggy.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked
>>> all that well.
>>>
>>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing
>>> more issues than it solves IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE
>>> Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some
>>> sort.
>>>
>>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
>>> solid for short links with easy aim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
>>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
>>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
>>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I
>>> would never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
>>> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
>>> higher channels.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during
>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
>>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
>>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
>>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
>>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
>>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
>>> surprisingly.
>>>
>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
>>> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
>>> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
>>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Steve Jones]

We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how it
goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on using
the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks with
remote drivethroughs very nearby.

I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
> kind of buggy.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all
>> that well.
>>
>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing
>> more issues than it solves IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE
>> Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some
>> sort.
>>
>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
>> solid for short links with easy aim.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
>> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
>> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
>> higher channels.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear
>> day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
>> surprisingly.
>>
>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
>> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
>> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
>> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
>> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The problem
is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it really
only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed kind of
buggy.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all
> that well.
>
> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing
> more issues than it solves IMO.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>
>
>
> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE
> Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some
> sort.
>
> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
> solid for short links with easy aim.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
> higher channels.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>
> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear
> day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
> surprisingly.
>
> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Carl Peterson]

ditto on the metrolinq.  I like the 5GHz backup.  Seems to work fine for
short links as long as you understand it is just a patch antenna on the
font.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all
> that well.
>
> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing
> more issues than it solves IMO.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>
>
>
> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE
> Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some
> sort.
>
> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
> solid for short links with easy aim.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
> higher channels.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>
> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear
> day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
> surprisingly.
>
> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Sterling Jacobson]

It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all that 
well.
The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing more 
issues than it solves IMO.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE Plus 
and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some sort.
We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem solid 
for short links with easy aim.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow magically 
make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use 66-70ghz behaves 
more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can do much longer 
distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade, but even on 
something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it works a lot better, 
since you have more signal to work with.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would never 
try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti AF60LR 
will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the higher 
channels.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev 
mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear day 
says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of bandwidth. It 
hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I 
think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t 
seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do. I 
have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but very impressive 
throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly.

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive never 
> looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we talking in a 
> normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more capacity, 
> the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz ones with 
> 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Sterling Jacobson]

I wouldn't recommend the MetroLinq. We still have a few of them in our network, 
but they tend to just die out of the blue especially in cold weather.
And it's not really 2.5Gbps unless you are all 1500 byte packets. It's more 
back to 1Gbps or even less throughput on smaller packets because it has a weak 
CPU/PPS capacity.
We've pulled most of them out of our network.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear day 
says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of bandwidth. It 
hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I 
think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t 
seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do. I 
have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but very impressive 
throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly. 

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive never 
> looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we talking in a 
> normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more capacity, 
> the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz ones with 
> 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Carl Peterson]

Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE
Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some
sort.
We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
solid for short links with easy aim.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
>> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
>>> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
>>> higher channels.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during
 clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
 bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
 really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
 mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
 drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
 heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
 surprisingly.

 > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
 >
 > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
 never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
 talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
 > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
 capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
 ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow magically
make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use 66-70ghz behaves
more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can do much longer
distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade, but even on
something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it works a lot
better, since you have more signal to work with.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
>> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
>> higher channels.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during
>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
>>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
>>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
>>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
>>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
>>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
>>> surprisingly.
>>>
>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
>>> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
>>> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
>>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
>>> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
>>> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[TJ Trout]

It seems like three to four miles on the LR is The Sweet spot with heavy
rain to keep the link up

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 1:11 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
>> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
>> higher channels.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during
>>> clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
>>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
>>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
>>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
>>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
>>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
>>> surprisingly.
>>>
>>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
>>> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
>>> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
>>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
>>> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
>>> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Carl Peterson]

Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
> higher channels.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear
>> day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
>> surprisingly.
>>
>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
>> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
>> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
>> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
>> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

I think they claim something like 13km, which probably is actually
possible. We have one link running at 4 miles, which actually works a lot
better than I expected. It doesn't take too much of a storm to take it out
at that distance, but it can be pretty useful as an emergency backup.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 3:05 PM Jay Weekley  wrote:

> What is the maximum distance for the AF60LR?  Ubiquiti makes some pretty
> wild claims as usual.
>
> Mathew Howard wrote:
> > At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally.
> > Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because
> > it can use the higher channels.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  > > wrote:
> >
> > 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm
> > during clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these
> > things do a ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well
> > during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal
> > or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to
> > use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do.
> > I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but
> > very impressive throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly.
> >
> > > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones
> > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor
> > so ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of
> > fade are we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> > > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need
> > more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never
> > understood the 60 ghz ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Jay Weekley]

What is the maximum distance for the AF60LR?  Ubiquiti makes some pretty 
wild claims as usual.


Mathew Howard wrote:
At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. 
Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because 
it can use the higher channels.


On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev > wrote:


700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm
during clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these
things do a ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well
during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal
or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to
use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do.
I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but
very impressive throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly.

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor
so ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of
fade are we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need
more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never
understood the 60 ghz ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Mathew Howard]

At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
higher channels.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev  wrote:

> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear
> day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
> surprisingly.
>
> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Dev]

700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear day 
says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of bandwidth. It 
hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I 
think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t 
seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do. I 
have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but very impressive 
throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly. 

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive never 
> looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we talking in a 
> normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more capacity, 
> the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz ones with 
> 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Sterling Jacobson]

It will work but have some bad fade and/or disconnects in the rain.

We are using the Ubiquiti Airfiber 60 LR for PTP links of that range.
It’s UI, but this product stands out since it can use the “upper” channels of 
the 60GHz (near 70Ghz).


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 12:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive never 
looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we talking in a 
normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more capacity, 
the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz ones with 5ghz 
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[AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Steve Jones]

We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive never
looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we talking in
a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
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